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He's 14-4 (.778) lifetime with a 4.28 career ERA at 24 missing most of two seasons with cancer. His problem has been control and walking too many batters. If he throws strikes and has command of his pitches he can be very hard to hit. I'm willing to give him a mulligan up until now (and his performance to date has been far from terrible).
Verlander and Buerhle's no-no's suggest otherwise
3 of the last 5... I was way off
It's ok, you're wilked. It's become expected.3 of the last 5... I was way off
lol... threw down about 6 pints from the 5th inning on. Was at a bar in Southie, place was absolutely jumpingIt's ok, you're wilked. It's become expected.3 of the last 5... I was way off
Completely owned
Finless Let's be honest, he's got #3 stuff with #2 potential. His stuff past the 5th inning was very unusual tonight and if you disagree you haven't watched the kid pitch much. Am I wrong here? He had a great night, it's a great story, and I'm a huge Sox fan. I've watched him pitch enough over the last year to form my opinion. I'm sure many would agree with it.
I think it depends on what you consider the baseline is for Lester. In the minors and when he was first called up, he was thought to have #1 starter stuff and was higher rated than even Paplebon in the stuff department with a 95+ mph fastball.Then he had the cancer thing and obviously was weaker and did not have as much speed or stuff in general. He certainly looked awesome tonight, which I agree was not the way he was pitching this year until tonight. But he looked good in the WS last year too. IMO, it's too soon to tell where his career is headed and whether the cancer took a lot out of him and what the long term impact will be. Maybe he is getting back to full strenth. Maybe tonight was the best he'll ever pitch and he will go back to being a #3 starter with occasional abover average stuff. Guess we'll have to wait and see.Completely owned
Ya, Lester's never done anything like this before tonighthttp://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/reds...one_hit_wonder/Completely owned
Are youYa, Lester's never done anything like this before tonighthttp://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/reds...one_hit_wonder/Completely ownedFinless
I said the guy isn't that good...italicized. If he put together 4 or 5 games of ace stuff I'm sure most real baseball/Sox fans would be surprised. Wilked you were probably one of the first ones lined up talking about how the Sox should ship him and a package of prospects for Santana, now you're here to defending him. You're a joke.
Wow, you are making this pretty easy. You do realize the earned runs for his last 5 games are 0, 2, 3, 1, 0, with an 0.85 WHIP over that stretch. Not too shabby, especially from your #3/4 guy on the teamAre youYa, Lester's never done anything like this before tonighthttp://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/reds...one_hit_wonder/Completely ownedFinless
Let's be honest, he's got #3 stuff with #2 potential. His stuff past the 5th inning was very unusual tonight and if you disagree you haven't watched the kid pitch much. Am I wrong here? He had a great night, it's a great story, and I'm a huge Sox fan. I've watched him pitch enough over the last year to form my opinion. I'm sure many would agree with it.
In fact, not shabby for an ace either...![[icon]](/data/avatars/m/5/5167.jpg?1660313464){kind=avatar}
rotation is already set for the next weekMasterson tomorrow, Colon Wed, Dice Thurs, then Wake / Beckett / Lester. No room to slide Colon in place of Lester Sun, especially as he is still upping his pitch countIt amazes me how many fish Finless/Clifton still lands with the worn out old bait
So you're telling me he's ace material and that's your stance? He's had a good run the past 5 games. Have you been watching him pitch??? Throw all the numbers out there you want. Until tonight and a few games back he hasn't really had dominating stuff. I watch the games...all of them. This season he's rarely been good for 7 innings and up until tonight his K/BB was 29/26.Not sure what you're arguing here. I said the guy isn't that good and he's not. Is he improving? Most definitely and I would want nothing more than ace stuff out of him, I'd just be real surprised to see it...consistently.Wow, you are making this pretty easy. You do realize the earned runs for his last 5 games are 0, 2, 3, 1, 0, with an 0.85 WHIP over that stretch. Not too shabby, especially from your #3/4 guy on the teamAre youYa, Lester's never done anything like this before tonighthttp://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/reds...one_hit_wonder/Completely owned
Fishing? Please. I said he isn't that good and Wilked's got him pegged as the next Koufax. Who's being unreasonable here. God Bless the kid and his performance.It amazes me how many fish Finless/Clifton still lands with the worn out old bait
enough with the fishing/shtick guys.
Hats off to the kid for a phenomenal performance. Over the last 4 innings or so he just dialed in and cruised.
Hopefully 135 pitches doesn't wear him down past his next start (ideally we can skip it and let Colon handle it).
Chach, you said you will be surprised if he puts 4 or 5 games together at an ace level. I said rather than go hunt for 5 games, how about his last 5 games he pitched, which have been quite good as the numbers show above. Sure, he is not an 'ace', whatever that means, but he certainly has shown flashes of it and has the potential to be one. Dude had lymphoma a year ago...does that mean anything to you? You don't think that might have been a roadbump in his development??I am done with the Clifton / Finless arguments...Clifton said:So you're telling me he's ace material and that's your stance? He's had a good run the past 5 games. Have you been watching him pitch??? Throw all the numbers out there you want. Until tonight and a few games back he hasn't really had dominating stuff. I watch the games...all of them. This season he's rarely been good for 7 innings and up until tonight his K/BB was 29/26.wilked said:Wow, you are making this pretty easy. You do realize the earned runs for his last 5 games are 0, 2, 3, 1, 0, with an 0.85 WHIP over that stretch. Not too shabby, especially from your #3/4 guy on the teamClifton said:Are youI said the guy isn't that good...italicized. If he put together 4 or 5 games of ace stuff I'm sure most real baseball/Sox fans would be surprised.
Wilked, I'm convinced you don't even watch baseball. Just another Sox fan that hopped on board when Fever Pitch came outChach, you said you will be surprised if he puts 4 or 5 games together at an ace level. I said rather than go hunt for 5 games, how about his last 5 games he pitched, which have been quite good as the numbers show above. Sure, he is not an 'ace', whatever that means, but he certainly has shown flashes of it and has the potential to be one. Dude had lymphoma a year ago...does that mean anything to you? You don't think that might have been a roadbump in his development??I am done with the Clifton / Finless arguments...Clifton said:So you're telling me he's ace material and that's your stance? He's had a good run the past 5 games. Have you been watching him pitch??? Throw all the numbers out there you want. Until tonight and a few games back he hasn't really had dominating stuff. I watch the games...all of them. This season he's rarely been good for 7 innings and up until tonight his K/BB was 29/26.wilked said:Wow, you are making this pretty easy. You do realize the earned runs for his last 5 games are 0, 2, 3, 1, 0, with an 0.85 WHIP over that stretch. Not too shabby, especially from your #3/4 guy on the teamClifton said:Are you
he needs to buy ellsbury a fat steak for that diving catch
Wilked, I'm convinced you don't even watch baseball. Just another Sox fan that hopped on board when Fever Pitch came outChach, you said you will be surprised if he puts 4 or 5 games together at an ace level. I said rather than go hunt for 5 games, how about his last 5 games he pitched, which have been quite good as the numbers show above. Sure, he is not an 'ace', whatever that means, but he certainly has shown flashes of it and has the potential to be one. Dude had lymphoma a year ago...does that mean anything to you? You don't think that might have been a roadbump in his development??I am done with the Clifton / Finless arguments...So you're telling me he's ace material and that's your stance? He's had a good run the past 5 games. Have you been watching him pitch??? Throw all the numbers out there you want. Until tonight and a few games back he hasn't really had dominating stuff. I watch the games...all of them. This season he's rarely been good for 7 innings and up until tonight his K/BB was 29/26.Wow, you are making this pretty easy. You do realize the earned runs for his last 5 games are 0, 2, 3, 1, 0, with an 0.85 WHIP over that stretch. Not too shabby, especially from your #3/4 guy on the teamAre you
Wilked, I'm convinced you don't even watch baseball. Just another Sox fan that hopped on board when Fever Pitch came outChach, you said you will be surprised if he puts 4 or 5 games together at an ace level. I said rather than go hunt for 5 games, how about his last 5 games he pitched, which have been quite good as the numbers show above. Sure, he is not an 'ace', whatever that means, but he certainly has shown flashes of it and has the potential to be one. Dude had lymphoma a year ago...does that mean anything to you? You don't think that might have been a roadbump in his development??I am done with the Clifton / Finless arguments...So you're telling me he's ace material and that's your stance? He's had a good run the past 5 games. Have you been watching him pitch??? Throw all the numbers out there you want. Until tonight and a few games back he hasn't really had dominating stuff. I watch the games...all of them. This season he's rarely been good for 7 innings and up until tonight his K/BB was 29/26.Wow, you are making this pretty easy. You do realize the earned runs for his last 5 games are 0, 2, 3, 1, 0, with an 0.85 WHIP over that stretch. Not too shabby, especially from your #3/4 guy on the team
:infinity:Wilked is probably the worst poster in FBG history. He because he thinks it's funny and he uses empty arguments as much as anyone I've ever seen. He is the Boston fan everyone hates, the guy who has no friends who pretends he's a ####### playa on the innermess. Horrible, just the absolute bottom of the ####### barrel.
Wow talk about an empty argument, exactly what did Wilked say here that was wrong. Seemed like he was right on the money.Wilked is probably the worst poster in FBG history. Hebecause he thinks it's funny and he uses empty arguments as much as anyone I've ever seen. He is the Boston fan everyone hates, the guy who has no friends who pretends he's a ####### playa on the innermess. Horrible, just the absolute bottom of the ####### barrel.
He was right on the money? Are you kidding? This is coming from the same people that were fired up to package Lester up with a few other guys for Santana. Not once did you see me backing that idea. Lester is good, he's not that good and anyone but Yudkin who claims they said he was previously, bring it with a link. You're all full of ####.Wow talk about an empty argument, exactly what did Wilked say here that was wrong. Seemed like he was right on the money.Wilked is probably the worst poster in FBG history. He
Looks like you agree with Clifton. So let me get this straight? You post something where you are agreeing with Clifton and then you come in like Errol Flynn with your sword out telling me I have an empty argument. Well played.
Actually my mind is not made up at all regarding Lester. I'm still evaluating him, just like the Red Sox are.Wilked is right though, his last five starts have been good.He might be just putting it together now, anybody saying things like he's not that good, should be careful. He's 24 years old with a lot of potential, a little early to be saying anything definitive regarding him, I know the Red Sox think pretty high of him.Looks like you agree with Clifton. So let me get this straight? You post something where you are agreeing with Clifton and then you come in like Errol Flynn with your sword out telling me I have an empty argument. Well played.
I don't think he's an ace, but anyone throwing a no hitter at that age is a guy I want on my team. Plus it's really a great story.Actually my mind is not made up at all regarding Lester. I'm still evaluating him, just like the Red Sox are.Wilked is right though, his last five starts have been good.He might be just putting it together now, anybody saying things like he's not that good, should be careful. He's 24 years old with a lot of potential, a little early to be saying anything definitive regarding him, I know the Red Sox think pretty high of him.Looks like you agree with Clifton. So let me get this straight? You post something where you are agreeing with Clifton and then you come in like Errol Flynn with your sword out telling me I have an empty argument. Well played.
I don't think he's an ace, but anyone throwing a no hitter at that age is a guy I want on my team. Plus it's really a great story.Actually my mind is not made up at all regarding Lester. I'm still evaluating him, just like the Red Sox are.Wilked is right though, his last five starts have been good.He might be just putting it together now, anybody saying things like he's not that good, should be careful. He's 24 years old with a lot of potential, a little early to be saying anything definitive regarding him, I know the Red Sox think pretty high of him.Looks like you agree with Clifton. So let me get this straight? You post something where you are agreeing with Clifton and then you come in like Errol Flynn with your sword out telling me I have an empty argument. Well played.
Definitely an exciting playerbtw, can we tone the stalker-ness down a notch? tia
Yeah, he was right on the money. You were acting like it would be a big shock if he put together five games of ace stuff and Wilked pointed out that in fact, he has done that.This is stupid.As for the Santana trade, that's a completely different argument, I don't see how you are lumping that in with this. You can only hope that a Lester or Buchholz ever approaches Santana level, I don't think anyone was insane for wanting to add Santana to this team but that's really beside the point here.He was right on the money? Are you kidding? This is coming from the same people that were fired up to package Lester up with a few other guys for Santana. Not once did you see me backing that idea. Lester is good, he's not that good and anyone but Yudkin who claims they said he was previously, bring it with a link. You're all full of ####.Wow talk about an empty argument, exactly what did Wilked say here that was wrong. Seemed like he was right on the money.Wilked is probably the worst poster in FBG history. He
And I cant stand the guy as a fan but to insult him basically as a human being is pretty low form Hes never done anything that deserves a post like that IMO except be an annoying fan.
Washed up is not the right description, he being only 24 years old.It looked like he could have control problems and that woud be his undoing as a MLB pitcher but you had to give the guy a number of starts before you could say this for sure.
Oh, you mean when he had cancer?
