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Let the Aaron Brooks NFL FA Tour Begin (1 Viewer)
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diesel7982
Footballguy
Oakland?
Blackjacks
Footballguy
Just what I was thinking
hutchins929
Footballguy
RETIREMENT
Sideline Merc
Footballguy
I remember reading in Bill Parcells book, forgot the title. He was high on Brooks when he was drafted. I wonder if Dallas might take a shot.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
in no order:
Oakland
Minnesota
Baltimore
NYJets?
Oakland
Minnesota
Baltimore
NYJets?
Silver & Black
Footballguy
Noooooooooooooo!!!!
nightshift
Footballguy
GB, after Favre reads the big signing of Gardner & Walker heads for Philly.
Napoleon Dynamite
Footballguy
That would be something.
Before you say that, it's not an understatement to say that Brooks is a top 5 talent at the QB position. Great Arm, Very good accuracy, and very good mobility. He's not a very good system QB but he's a playmaker. He will fit in perfectly with the Raiders and if Moss is in shape and healthy, he can get him the ball.Noooooooooooooo!!!!
He's a better QB than Culpepper IMO. Basically, he's a better version than what Oakland hoped it was getting in Collins. He can be impressive.
On the other hand, he's a terrible fit for a team that requires him to make quick reads. Teams will blitz him a lot because IMO, he's the worst pre-snap read QB in the league IMO.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, if it happens, don't think all is lost...especially if you can get him at a good price.
mcjc4
Footballguy
He is if you discount their TD to interception ratio for their whole careers. You should also discount their completion percentage for both of them from college and the NFL. I would also remove their win/loss records as starters at any level you choose. Now with those meaningless stats removed, Brooks maybe a better QB!Nah, probably not.Before you say that, it's not an understatement to say that Brooks is a top 5 talent at the QB position. Great Arm, Very good accuracy, and very good mobility. He's not a very good system QB but he's a playmaker. He will fit in perfectly with the Raiders and if Moss is in shape and healthy, he can get him the ball.Noooooooooooooo!!!!
He's a better QB than Culpepper IMO. Basically, he's a better version than what Oakland hoped it was getting in Collins. He can be impressive.
On the other hand, he's a terrible fit for a team that requires him to make quick reads. Teams will blitz him a lot because IMO, he's the worst pre-snap read QB in the league IMO.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, if it happens, don't think all is lost...especially if you can get him at a good price.
Napoleon Dynamite
Footballguy
Wow I just realized the perfect place for Brooks to go to... ARIZONA!There is little doubt that AZ needs a good backup to warner - not many expect him to play a full season without getting hurt (or sucking)Before you say that, it's not an understatement to say that Brooks is a top 5 talent at the QB position. Great Arm, Very good accuracy, and very good mobility. He's not a very good system QB but he's a playmaker. He will fit in perfectly with the Raiders and if Moss is in shape and healthy, he can get him the ball.Noooooooooooooo!!!!
He's a better QB than Culpepper IMO. Basically, he's a better version than what Oakland hoped it was getting in Collins. He can be impressive.
On the other hand, he's a terrible fit for a team that requires him to make quick reads. Teams will blitz him a lot because IMO, he's the worst pre-snap read QB in the league IMO.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, if it happens, don't think all is lost...especially if you can get him at a good price.
Brooks would probably not get top money but would be in a situation to perform above his means (and then get top money) is there. Fitz,Boldin,James Wow!
The only question is what kind of money will be out there for Brooks.
Winston Smith
Footballguy
Before you say that, it's not an understatement to say that Brooks is a top 5 talent at the QB position. Great Arm, Very good accuracy, and very good mobility. He's not a very good system QB but he's a playmaker. He will fit in perfectly with the Raiders and if Moss is in shape and healthy, he can get him the ball.Noooooooooooooo!!!!
He's a better QB than Culpepper IMO. Basically, he's a better version than what Oakland hoped it was getting in Collins. He can be impressive.
On the other hand, he's a terrible fit for a team that requires him to make quick reads. Teams will blitz him a lot because IMO, he's the worst pre-snap read QB in the league IMO.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, if it happens, don't think all is lost...especially if you can get him at a good price.
Stingdiddy
Footballguy
I disagree. He'd be a great guy to have as a #2. I know, he's dumb as a rock, but, he's athletic. I agree though, he's not a #1 NFL QB.
You don't think that one could make a reasonable argument that much of Daunte's success was due to a guy named Randy Moss? Last year seemed to lend a little credence to that theory.As for the rest of it, obviously my previous post did not tell the entire story. I agree that Brooks is dumb and what is even more important IMO, he doesn't play with a passion. He's not a leader which can be deadly. I've seen him play just about every home game in person and to be honest, I was happy to see him go.He is if you discount their TD to interception ratio for their whole careers. You should also discount their completion percentage for both of them from college and the NFL. I would also remove their win/loss records as starters at any level you choose. Now with those meaningless stats removed, Brooks maybe a better QB!Nah, probably not.Before you say that, it's not an understatement to say that Brooks is a top 5 talent at the QB position. Great Arm, Very good accuracy, and very good mobility. He's not a very good system QB but he's a playmaker. He will fit in perfectly with the Raiders and if Moss is in shape and healthy, he can get him the ball.Noooooooooooooo!!!!
He's a better QB than Culpepper IMO. Basically, he's a better version than what Oakland hoped it was getting in Collins. He can be impressive.
On the other hand, he's a terrible fit for a team that requires him to make quick reads. Teams will blitz him a lot because IMO, he's the worst pre-snap read QB in the league IMO.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, if it happens, don't think all is lost...especially if you can get him at a good price.
Having said that, in a new environment with a stud WR, he could do some damage.
His problems are not physical. He's definitely an NFL starting QB physically. It's the other things. All things considered, Oakland is a good fit. Green Bay would make sense too, but I think he'd do better in Oakland.
To me, the biggest downfall of a fantasy footall player is to be blinded by the most recent events. In other words, he sucked last year therefore he'll suck this year. Excluding last year, he's threw 3500+ yards in every full year of his career. He thew for 21, 24, 27, and 26 TDs in his 4 full years.
From a fantasy perspective, if he's a starter he could easily outperform his ADP.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Seems like Denver could use a good #2.
Oakland leading candidate.
Oakland leading candidate.
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mcjc4
Footballguy
Daunte struggled last year, we all saw it, but to state that Brooks is the better NFL QB because of a few bad games just doesn't make sense to me. Is Brooks better than Farve right now? Farve had the worst season on any QB last year, but I don't think anyone would honestly start 2006 with Brooks in front of him, do you?Daunte put up great numbers while Moss was injured in the previous 2 seasons, so Moss was not Dauntes only option. In saying all this, I would love to see brooks sign with either MN or AZ. (Vikes homer living in AZ). A veteran QB who no doubt would be called upon due to injuries suffered by Warner or Johnson.You don't think that one could make a reasonable argument that much of Daunte's success was due to a guy named Randy Moss? Last year seemed to lend a little credence to that theory.As for the rest of it, obviously my previous post did not tell the entire story. I agree that Brooks is dumb and what is even more important IMO, he doesn't play with a passion. He's not a leader which can be deadly. I've seen him play just about every home game in person and to be honest, I was happy to see him go.He is if you discount their TD to interception ratio for their whole careers. You should also discount their completion percentage for both of them from college and the NFL. I would also remove their win/loss records as starters at any level you choose. Now with those meaningless stats removed, Brooks maybe a better QB!Nah, probably not.Before you say that, it's not an understatement to say that Brooks is a top 5 talent at the QB position. Great Arm, Very good accuracy, and very good mobility. He's not a very good system QB but he's a playmaker. He will fit in perfectly with the Raiders and if Moss is in shape and healthy, he can get him the ball.Noooooooooooooo!!!!
He's a better QB than Culpepper IMO. Basically, he's a better version than what Oakland hoped it was getting in Collins. He can be impressive.
On the other hand, he's a terrible fit for a team that requires him to make quick reads. Teams will blitz him a lot because IMO, he's the worst pre-snap read QB in the league IMO.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, if it happens, don't think all is lost...especially if you can get him at a good price.
Having said that, in a new environment with a stud WR, he could do some damage.
His problems are not physical. He's definitely an NFL starting QB physically. It's the other things. All things considered, Oakland is a good fit. Green Bay would make sense too, but I think he'd do better in Oakland.
To me, the biggest downfall of a fantasy footall player is to be blinded by the most recent events. In other words, he sucked last year therefore he'll suck this year. Excluding last year, he's threw 3500+ yards in every full year of his career. He thew for 21, 24, 27, and 26 TDs in his 4 full years.
From a fantasy perspective, if he's a starter he could easily outperform his ADP.
Brooks will be playing somewhere this year, i just couldn't make the reach that he is a better NFL QBthan Daunte because of a few bad games.
PS. Todd Bauman QB New Orleans, was the starting QB for my wifes High School team.
Kleck
Footballguy
Lots of folks wanting to throw Brooks away. Dude has posted some very solid numbers. I'm willing to give him a pass on last season.
Is he the best? Far from it. Is he the worst? Even farther from it.
Code:
+---------------------------------------+-----------------+ | Passing | Rushing |+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+| Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD |+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+| 2000 nor | 8 | 113 194 58.2 1514 7.8 9 6 | 41 170 2 || 2001 nor | 16 | 312 558 55.9 3832 6.9 26 22 | 80 358 1 || 2002 nor | 16 | 283 528 53.6 3572 6.8 27 15 | 61 256 2 || 2003 nor | 16 | 306 518 59.1 3546 6.8 24 8 | 54 175 2 || 2004 nor | 16 | 309 542 57.0 3810 7.0 21 16 | 58 173 4 || 2005 nor | 13 | 240 431 55.7 2882 6.7 13 17 | 45 281 2 |+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+| TOTAL | 85 | 1563 2771 56.4 19156 6.9 120 84 | 339 1413 13 |+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
AnonymousBob
Footballguy
Why not Miami? Culpepper isn't gonna be ready to start the season for them.
ETA - despite what people like to say about him, he's a decent qb. I know it's fun to knock the guy but he isn't nearly as bad as some make it seem. Both for fantasy purposes and real life.
ETA - despite what people like to say about him, he's a decent qb. I know it's fun to knock the guy but he isn't nearly as bad as some make it seem. Both for fantasy purposes and real life.
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David Yudkin
Footballguy
Most passing TD 2001-2005
eyton Manning 159Brett Favre 141
Tom Brady 123
Aaron Brooks 111
Trent Green 111
Donovan McNabb 105
Daunte Culpepper 102
Jake Plummer 97
Matt Hasselbeck 94
Kerry Collins 92
Most Passing Yards 2001-2005:
Peyton Manning 20902
Trent Green 20117
Brett Favre 18909
Kerry Collins 18201
Tom Brady 18029
Aaron Brooks 17642
Jake Plummer 16262
Daunte Culpepper 16231
Matt Hasselbeck 15779
Donovan McNabb 15120
Silver & Black
Footballguy
There is no doubt that Brooks has a good arm and has talent. My problem with him is all mental and his ability to be a leader. He makes a lot of awful mistakes and bad throws in crucial situations. A lot!! Plus, he just doesn't seem to have the stuff of a good leader, as all Saints fans are well aware of.
To be honest, Brees was the guy I was hoping would land in Oakland. But with him now, I am praying the Raiders move up to #2 and take Leinhart.
To be honest, Brees was the guy I was hoping would land in Oakland. But with him now, I am praying the Raiders move up to #2 and take Leinhart.
rabidfireweasel
Footballguy
There simply are not 32 better QB's than Brooks. Saying that is just silly. There are lots of starting QB's- Culpepper, Bledoe, Collins, Farve, Warner spring to mind immediately- that make as many or more costly mistakes- particularly when you consiider fumbles.
Silver & Black
Footballguy
I'm not saying he's the worst QB in the league. As a Raider fan who has suffered mightily these last few years, I just want a solid QB who can get the ball downfield and minimize mistakes. That's why I like Brees so much.
Silver & Black
Footballguy
I hear ya. Of course, moving up for a QB is not something Oakland is known for doing. That doesn't mean I can't hope for them to do it now. Plus, there aren't many solid FA QB's left to acquire.
Kit Fisto
Footballguy
Classic case of good fantasy guy, bad NFL player. How many touchdowns and yards you throw for don't mean as much to NFL GM's as they do fantasy players.
I fairly certain he'll get a starting job somewhere this season... he's a lot better than some incumbents (Harrington, Collins, Pennington, Boller to name a few) and someone will give him an incentive-laden contract they can back out of easily.
My gut says Oakland.
I fairly certain he'll get a starting job somewhere this season... he's a lot better than some incumbents (Harrington, Collins, Pennington, Boller to name a few) and someone will give him an incentive-laden contract they can back out of easily.
My gut says Oakland.
nygiants56
Footballguy
Before you say that, it's not an understatement to say that Brooks is a top 5 talent at the QB position. Great Arm, Very good accuracy, and very good mobility. He's not a very good system QB but he's a playmaker. He will fit in perfectly with the Raiders and if Moss is in shape and healthy, he can get him the ball.Noooooooooooooo!!!!
He's a better QB than Culpepper IMO. Basically, he's a better version than what Oakland hoped it was getting in Collins. He can be impressive.
On the other hand, he's a terrible fit for a team that requires him to make quick reads. Teams will blitz him a lot because IMO, he's the worst pre-snap read QB in the league IMO.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, if it happens, don't think all is lost...especially if you can get him at a good price.
I'm a Brooks Believer, too!2:1 lifetime td:int ratio..anyone,including Bart Starr, would have looked silly playing for the biggest idiot in the NFL, Jim Haslett..gotta be the worst head coach to come down the pike since Ray Handley...
you get A. Brooks teamed up with a good coach, and you've got a potentially great QB, at a bargain basement price...
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I hope if he visits Minnesota that it's 40 below and ALL the wimmenfolk stay inside that day.
beto
Footballguy
This is my thinking as well. A guy like Parcells would do Brooks a world of good.
I'm a Brooks Believer, too!
2:1 lifetime td:int ratio..anyone,including Bart Starr, would have looked silly playing for the biggest idiot in the NFL, Jim Haslett..gotta be the worst head coach to come down the pike since Ray Handley...
you get A. Brooks teamed up with a good coach, and you've got a potentially great QB, at a bargain basement price...
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
Baltimore!
How can Baltmore and Chicago not bring in this guy for a chat?
How can Baltmore and Chicago not bring in this guy for a chat?
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Mungo Burrows
Footballguy
It's very depressing thinking "I hope the Ravens sign Collins or Brooks because they'd be an improvement" 
dgreen
Footballguy
I took all QBs from 1960-2005 who have thrown 100+ TDs and calculated their TD:INT ratio. Brooks' 1.43 ranks 19th. Pretty impressive, huh? Not so fast. Almost everyone above him is a contemporary. The only people above him that didn't have one year overlap with Brooks are Steve Young, Joe Montana, Dan Marino, and Neil Lomax. Brooks' TD:INT ratio is on par with some greats from previous eras like Roger Staubach and Sonny Jurgensen.Brooks' TD:INT ratio is nice, but that's about it. It's nothing great. It's what's expected out of an NFL starting QB in the 2000s. It's also a far cry from 2:1. Only three QBs (with 100+ TDs) can claim having a 2:1 (I'm including Montana's 1.96).
Here are the top 25:
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NAME PTD INT TD/INTSteve Young 232 107 2.17Donovan McNabb 134 66 2.03Joe Montana 273 139 1.96Peyton Manning 244 130 1.88Tom Brady 123 66 1.86Jeff Garcia 126 71 1.77Neil O'Donnell 120 68 1.76Rich Gannon 180 104 1.73Mark Brunell 174 102 1.71Dan Marino 420 252 1.67Trent Green 150 92 1.63Daunte Culpepper 135 86 1.57Brett Favre 396 255 1.55Randall Cunningham 207 134 1.54Steve McNair 156 102 1.53Kurt Warner 119 78 1.53Brad Johnson 155 102 1.52Neil Lomax 136 90 1.51Aaron Brooks 120 84 1.43Bernie Kosar 124 87 1.43Y.A. Tittle 100 71 1.41Frank Ryan 146 104 1.40Roger Staubach 153 109 1.40Sonny Jurgensen 249 180 1.38Jeff George 154 113 1.36
Texasmouth
Footballguy
Would he want to go to Dallas though? The Statue is all ready in place in Dallas for atleast two more seasons....
rabidfireweasel
Footballguy
It seems like in your efforts to bash him or down grade him, you are actually supporting him. Since 1960, only 16 QB's have had a better TD:INT ratio. Check. Take out four non-contemporaries-we are at 15. Take out O'Donnell, Gannon and Randall Cunningham because the have retired. Now you are down to 12. There are 32 teams and he is street free agent. He is going to get some looks.
dgreen
Footballguy
I'm not trying to bash him. Someone said he has a 2:1 ratio. He doesn't. Someone else then said that it's not quite 2:1 but it's still pretty solid. To me, the data shows it's probably about average. (Whether "pretty solid" = "average" is neither here nor there.)You can take out O'Donnell, Gannon, and Cunningham because they retired if you want and get down to 12th. But, remember, I cut off TDs at 100+. Things could change drasticly if you go to 75.
So, I'll redefine the data set to be closer to what you are talking about. If you take all data from 2000-2005 (Brooks' career) and QBs with 40+ TDs, Brooks is 16th out of 35 QBs.
His TD:INT ratio is pretty much average for a starting QB in today's NFL. I'm not sure how that is bashing him.
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Aaronstory
Footballguy
His best years were with McCarthy as OC.
If Favre retires, I suspect he'll come to GB to back up Rodgers...
If Favre retires, I suspect he'll come to GB to back up Rodgers...
I think you make a great point. However, when the alternative is Collins, or McCown, etc...well you get the point.Plus, it's a new beginning for Brooks. He just got cut. If he gets his head on straight then everything changes.
It is possible to get your head on straight as you mature. It's not possible to learn how to run and throw the way Brooks does. Either you have it or you don't.
Since this thread is full of Brooks bashing, I will toss in a couple of very positive memories about Brooks' play these past years.
1) Brooks was probably the most important player involved in the single-most exciting play that I have ever witnessed live: the last-play-of-the-game quadruple lateral TD against (Carolina?). Brooks made an excellent initial pass, ran down the field, and when the ball ended up getting lateraled back to his side of the field, made the key block that led to the TD.
2) During our FF playoffs three years ago, Manning had hung 5TDs against me that Sunday afternoon. I basically assumed I was eliminated because I only had Brooks to go that Sunday night against the Giants. Of course, Brooks went on to throw 5 TDs (4 to Horn, including the "cell phone TD") and I went on to win my FF SB.
Aaron Brooks deserves a second chance with another team!
1) Brooks was probably the most important player involved in the single-most exciting play that I have ever witnessed live: the last-play-of-the-game quadruple lateral TD against (Carolina?). Brooks made an excellent initial pass, ran down the field, and when the ball ended up getting lateraled back to his side of the field, made the key block that led to the TD.
2) During our FF playoffs three years ago, Manning had hung 5TDs against me that Sunday afternoon. I basically assumed I was eliminated because I only had Brooks to go that Sunday night against the Giants. Of course, Brooks went on to throw 5 TDs (4 to Horn, including the "cell phone TD") and I went on to win my FF SB.
Aaron Brooks deserves a second chance with another team!
