Let the hype start...Calvin Johnson pre-Combine numbers (1 Viewer)

[bigreese82]

Cal Johnson running 4.3s Published Wed Feb 14 10:56:00 a.m. ET 2007

(Rotoworld) Calvin Johnson reportedly ran a 4.33 forty at a workout with his speed and conditioning trainer on Tuesday.

Impact: He also recorded an 11-foot standing broad jump and a vertical leap of 43 inches. These are insane numbers, but he'll have to repeat at the Yellow Jackets' pro day or at the Combine next week for them to be legit.

Here is a like to some combine numbers from wrs last year

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/nflco...j&order=ASC

 

[cscmtp]

I smell a Randy Moss type rookie year.

 

[George Jefferson]

I smell a Randy Moss type rookie year.

Yeah. Real combine tough guy we have here.

 

[aDingoAteMyBaby]

Cal Johnson running 4.3s Published Wed Feb 14 10:56:00 a.m. ET 2007

(Rotoworld) Calvin Johnson reportedly ran a 4.33 forty at a workout with his speed and conditioning trainer on Tuesday.

Impact: He also recorded an 11-foot standing broad jump and a vertical leap of 43 inches. These are insane numbers, but he'll have to repeat at the Yellow Jackets' pro day or at the Combine next week for them to be legit.

Here is a like to some combine numbers from wrs last year

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/nflco...j&order=ASC

I'd think that duplicating these numbers at the combine would immediately vault him into the #1 spot in this years draft on most boards, similar to Reggie Bush last year. Without all the national attention, it will have just taken a lot longer.

 

[Rounders]

Cal Johnson running 4.3s Published Wed Feb 14 10:56:00 a.m. ET 2007

(Rotoworld) Calvin Johnson reportedly ran a 4.33 forty at a workout with his speed and conditioning trainer on Tuesday.

Impact: He also recorded an 11-foot standing broad jump and a vertical leap of 43 inches. These are insane numbers, but he'll have to repeat at the Yellow Jackets' pro day or at the Combine next week for them to be legit.

Here is a like to some combine numbers from wrs last year

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/nflco...j&order=ASC

I'd think that duplicating these numbers at the combine would immediately vault him into the #1 spot in this years draft on most boards, similar to Reggie Bush last year. Without all the national attention, it will have just taken a lot longer.

NFL or FF draft boards?

 

[cscmtp]

I smell a Randy Moss type rookie year.

Yeah. Real combine tough guy we have here.

much?

 

[ILUVBEER99]

I'm sure the 4.33 was hand timed, i doubt he'll run under a 4.4 at the combine where they use electric.

That said he's as good of a prospect as Fitz was coming out and he should be a beast.

 

[Warpig]

4.3's are the new 4.4's Everybody can run 4.3 now.

Marshawn Lynch said he run's 4.3's as well. If anyone watched the NFL Network last night (Total Access), he was being interviewed and said he hopes to run a low 4.3 at the combine.

So what if he's fast...can he catch a pass over the middle and take a hit and bounce back up?

I'm not impressed with speed. See: Troy Williamson, Chad Jackson, Michael Bennett, just off the top of my head...and I have a terrible memory.

 

[ianfitzy]

Oh, he can catch a pass over the middle too... He is huge and has tremendous body control. He is something like 6-5 230, so I am sure he has no problem over the middle.

 

[-OZ-]

4.3's are the new 4.4's Everybody can run 4.3 now.Marshawn Lynch said he run's 4.3's as well. If anyone watched the NFL Network last night (Total Access), he was being interviewed and said he hopes to run a low 4.3 at the combine.So what if he's fast...can he catch a pass over the middle and take a hit and bounce back up?I'm not impressed with speed. See: Troy Williamson, Chad Jackson, Michael Bennett, just off the top of my head...and I have a terrible memory.

Yes, he certainly can. Speed is CJ's least important asset. With the 1.01, I'm really not sure which of the two elite talents I'd take. CJ seems to be the best bet to be an elite player in the draft, probably the best bet since Peyton Manning entered the league.

 

[Bri]

(Rotoworld) Calvin Johnson reportedly ran a 4.33 forty at a workout with his speed and conditioning trainer on Tuesday.

Impact: He also recorded an 11-foot standing broad jump and a vertical leap of 43 inches. These are insane numbers,

mehhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LK8ZPFqCPY

 

[Bri]

Cal Johnson running 4.3s Published Wed Feb 14 10:56:00 a.m. ET 2007

(Rotoworld) Calvin Johnson reportedly ran a 4.33 forty at a workout with his speed and conditioning trainer on Tuesday.

Impact: He also recorded an 11-foot standing broad jump and a vertical leap of 43 inches. These are insane numbers, but he'll have to repeat at the Yellow Jackets' pro day or at the Combine next week for them to be legit.

Here is a like to some combine numbers from wrs last year

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/nflco...j&order=ASC

:47 and 1:50

 

[footballfreek]

(Rotoworld) Calvin Johnson reportedly ran a 4.33 forty at a workout with his speed and conditioning trainer on Tuesday.

Impact: He also recorded an 11-foot standing broad jump and a vertical leap of 43 inches. These are insane numbers,

mehhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LK8ZPFqCPY

Unreal!! I have 1.02 and will draft him in about 5 seconds.

 

[lod2005]

He won't run under a 4.4 but who cares. No one can even come close to stopping him. Put me down for a 45 inch vertical. He also has a sweet subtle push off move right at the last second that seems to never get called....if the defender is on him. Just enough to create the separation required to leap up and grab the ball while the defender flails about.

 

[Chaos Commish]

He won't run under a 4.4 but who cares.

He is supposedly going under 4.4 every time he runs in AZ at that Athlete's Performance place. He and Meachem both. Bowe and Rice are running 4.45 and Jarrett is a little behind them right at 4.5, but domininat in other tests. Solid source reporting second hand information from inside the facility.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

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How on earth did you manage this post?

 

[toxicbees]

4.3's are the new 4.4's Everybody can run 4.3 now.Marshawn Lynch said he run's 4.3's as well. If anyone watched the NFL Network last night (Total Access), he was being interviewed and said he hopes to run a low 4.3 at the combine.So what if he's fast...can he catch a pass over the middle and take a hit and bounce back up?I'm not impressed with speed. See: Troy Williamson, Chad Jackson, Michael Bennett, just off the top of my head...and I have a terrible memory.

I honestly think Lynch could run a 4.3. He's got serious acceleration.

 

[Bob_Magaw]

He won't run under a 4.4 but who cares.

He is supposedly going under 4.4 every time he runs in AZ at that Athlete's Performance place. He and Meachem both. Bowe and Rice are running 4.45 and Jarrett is a little behind them right at 4.5, but domininat in other tests. Solid source reporting second hand information from inside the facility. :(

are those electronically timed to simulate combine?based on what i've seen, CJ looks fast but not THAT fast... in the clips i saw, he wasn't running away from anybody & actually didn't appear to get a lot of separation... his MO is to jump over WRs like fitz...i haven't scouted meacham yet... but i think of the top prospects, ginn is fastest player i saw in 06, & i could see him clocking a sub-4.4... wouldn't shock me if AD does, as well... if CJ & lynch just run a 4.4, they should maintain their standing, & if jarrett in fact runs a 4.5 & does well in other tests, that probably increases chance he goes in top half of round one...

 

[Chaos Commish]

He won't run under a 4.4 but who cares.

He is supposedly going under 4.4 every time he runs in AZ at that Athlete's Performance place. He and Meachem both. Bowe and Rice are running 4.45 and Jarrett is a little behind them right at 4.5, but domininat in other tests. Solid source reporting second hand information from inside the facility.

are those electronically timed to simulate combine?based on what i've seen, CJ looks fast but not THAT fast... in the clips i saw, he wasn't running away from anybody & actually didn't appear to get a lot of separation... his MO is to jump over WRs like fitz...i haven't scouted meacham yet... but i think of the top prospects, ginn is fastest player i saw in 06, & i could see him clocking a sub-4.4... wouldn't shock me if AD does, as well... if CJ & lynch just run a 4.4, they should maintain their standing, & if jarrett in fact runs a 4.5 & does well in other tests, that probably increases chance he goes in top half of round one...

I don't know if they hand time or digitime them there, but the place is pretty tech advanced.CJ's highlights do not show is incredible speed, but he runs by corners all the time. Ball just never hits him and incompletions aren't saved for posterity. The reel is packed with amazing plays that should have been incompletions though mostly in a range where Ball missed by a margin that Michael Jordan and Calvin could overcome. Ginn isn't in AZ. He is Florida. The same source that reported from AZ has nothing to report from Florida yet, but I am pushing him to get me a scoop or two if he can. ESPN just did a piece on Jarrett and Quinn there in AZ and you can tell Jarrett is pretty pleased with himself so far.

 

[aposulli]

I'm not impressed with speed. See: Troy Williamson, Chad Jackson, Michael Bennett, just off the top of my head...and I have a terrible memory.

Thing is, speed is the only question about Johnson

 

[Chaos Commish]

Correction: Calvin is in Orlando working out with Tom Shaw, a sprint coach, and that bit of information may have just revealed my source's source of the last two years as my source is also a sprint coach. Anyway, it is in Florida where Calvin is supposedly running sub 4.4 "every time".

Ginn is there too, but I think the ankle has him going slowly.

 

[southeastjerome]

Correction: Calvin is in Orlando working out with Tom Shaw, a sprint coach, and that bit of information may have just revealed my source's source of the last two years as my source is also a sprint coach. Anyway, it is in Florida where Calvin is supposedly running sub 4.4 "every time". Ginn is there too, but I think the ankle has him going slowly.

A sprint coach?? Well anyways, if scouts/GMs get wind of this, how much weight will they put in it? And if they do, will it be a let down if he runs a 4.4?

 

[phthalatemagic]

refresher article regarding 40 times

 

[tommyGunZ]

I don't doubt Johnson's 40 time will be impressive - fast guys that big really make up time the last 15-20 yards.

My only question w/ regard to Johnson is his quickness off the ball, usually a bigger problem with big WRs. That's why I'd pay more attention to his shuttle time than his 40 time if I were an NFL GM.

 

[Da Guru]

The DETROIT LIONS select WR-Calvin Johnson

 

[Liquid Tension]

Correction: Calvin is in Orlando working out with Tom Shaw, a sprint coach, and that bit of information may have just revealed my source's source of the last two years as my source is also a sprint coach. Anyway, it is in Florida where Calvin is supposedly running sub 4.4 "every time". Ginn is there too, but I think the ankle has him going slowly.

A sprint coach?? Well anyways, if scouts/GMs get wind of this, how much weight will they put in it? And if they do, will it be a let down if he runs a 4.4?

The amazingly dumb thing is that these players run in shorts with no pads so there times are not that important. If I were drafting a guy, I would set them up in a normal set of pads and then see who can run. Some guys lose a lot with the pads on and since they never play in shorts, I don't know why they run in shorts?

 

[phthalatemagic]

They run in shorts because it gives them the best possible time!

I think in general bigger guys can carry pads better than smaller guys, so say if Calvin Johnson and a little guy run the same time, I wouldn't be surprised if CJ ends up having faster football speed.

 

[billyjoe]

Correction: Calvin is in Orlando working out with Tom Shaw, a sprint coach, and that bit of information may have just revealed my source's source of the last two years as my source is also a sprint coach. Anyway, it is in Florida where Calvin is supposedly running sub 4.4 "every time". Ginn is there too, but I think the ankle has him going slowly.

A sprint coach?? Well anyways, if scouts/GMs get wind of this, how much weight will they put in it? And if they do, will it be a let down if he runs a 4.4?

1985 called, they want the shock at this news back.

 

[Chaos Commish]

refresher article regarding 40 times

Must I post the refresher debunking of Zeigler's false claims and poor understanding of the topic?

 

[Chaos Commish]

Correction: Calvin is in Orlando working out with Tom Shaw, a sprint coach, and that bit of information may have just revealed my source's source of the last two years as my source is also a sprint coach. Anyway, it is in Florida where Calvin is supposedly running sub 4.4 "every time". Ginn is there too, but I think the ankle has him going slowly.

A sprint coach?? Well anyways, if scouts/GMs get wind of this, how much weight will they put in it? And if they do, will it be a let down if he runs a 4.4?

They've all been using special training in preparation for the Combine since Deion did so many years ago. The scouts are free to come and go in AZ and FL where most of the top prospects prepare.

 

[aDingoAteMyBaby]

Cal Johnson running 4.3s Published Wed Feb 14 10:56:00 a.m. ET 2007

(Rotoworld) Calvin Johnson reportedly ran a 4.33 forty at a workout with his speed and conditioning trainer on Tuesday.

Impact: He also recorded an 11-foot standing broad jump and a vertical leap of 43 inches. These are insane numbers, but he'll have to repeat at the Yellow Jackets' pro day or at the Combine next week for them to be legit.

Here is a like to some combine numbers from wrs last year

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/nflco...j&order=ASC

I'd think that duplicating these numbers at the combine would immediately vault him into the #1 spot in this years draft on most boards, similar to Reggie Bush last year. Without all the national attention, it will have just taken a lot longer.

NFL or FF draft boards?

NFL. FF will still be dominated by the RB position.

 

[Kleck.]

Using a coach or trainer to prepare for the combine or workouts is not news. Neither is top prospects not participating at the combine.

Calvin will most likely run at GT's pro day, and I wouldn't be shocked if he held his own personal workout for scouts.

 

[phthalatemagic]

refresher article regarding 40 times

Must I post the refresher debunking of Zeigler's false claims and poor understanding of the topic?

Yeah sure, I'd love to read it

 

[Chaos Commish]

refresher article regarding 40 times

Must I post the refresher debunking of Zeigler's false claims and poor understanding of the topic?

Yeah sure, I'd love to read it

Sigh, it's the wikipedia for 40 yard dash.40 yard dash

I posted it in the other thread where you posted Zeigler. It's not a big deal and people get too bent about this stuff, but given the format NFL speedsters are capable of 4.2s.

 

[phthalatemagic]

Sorry ma, I don't think I posted the Zeigler article more than once (here).

I don't see any debunking going on in the wikipedia section though. What was debunked? As far as I know most pro-days still do hand-timed 40s, without a standardized surface and most importantly without the administering body starting the race and instead going on the runner's motion. The times are relatively accurate as compared to each other, (they aren't compared to a track sprinter because they do depend upon a starting tone or gun) as long as they are all on the same surface but otherwise not. Correct me if I'm wrong.....

 

[Hunterbeer]

refresher article regarding 40 times

Must I post the refresher debunking of Zeigler's false claims and poor understanding of the topic?

Yeah sure, I'd love to read it

Sigh, it's the wikipedia for 40 yard dash.40 yard dash

I posted it in the other thread where you posted Zeigler. It's not a big deal and people get too bent about this stuff, but given the format NFL speedsters are capable of 4.2s.

First, I agree that the Zeigler article is incorrect in that it did meters rather than yards. But I do not see how Wikpedia (which has no real sources and we have no idea whether or not someone's trained monkey typed that out) comes up with 4.24 when the conversion formula I know of, and the one used at the University of Texas and Washington & Lee (how's that for opposite ends of the spectrum ) convert that to 4.26, a time equaled by Maurice Green in his record tying run.The combine will use a "start on motion clock", thus taking about .24 off all players "real" or track times. The 4.4 you see at the combine is about a 4.6 on the track.

 

[Bri]

refresher article regarding 40 times

Must I post the refresher debunking of Zeigler's false claims and poor understanding of the topic?

Americans run 40 yardsForeign players run 40 meters

duh

 

[phthalatemagic]

I really didn't mean to start a hijack here...

 

[southeastjerome]

Correction: Calvin is in Orlando working out with Tom Shaw, a sprint coach, and that bit of information may have just revealed my source's source of the last two years as my source is also a sprint coach. Anyway, it is in Florida where Calvin is supposedly running sub 4.4 "every time". Ginn is there too, but I think the ankle has him going slowly.

A sprint coach?? Well anyways, if scouts/GMs get wind of this, how much weight will they put in it? And if they do, will it be a let down if he runs a 4.4?

They've all been using special training in preparation for the Combine since Deion did so many years ago. The scouts are free to come and go in AZ and FL where most of the top prospects prepare.

No, I know special trainers have been involved for years now. I just think the job title of sprint coach is a little amusing. Sorry if you all missed my point there. To me a 40 yard dash means nothing. I mean Chad Jackson ran a 4.32 last year and he did not look fast on the field this year at all. The only time he shows that kind of exceptional speed is when he runs in a straight line. I want to know if he can run a route clean and fast.

 

[DrJ]

(Rotoworld) Calvin Johnson reportedly ran a 4.33 forty at a workout with his speed and conditioning trainer on Tuesday.

Impact: He also recorded an 11-foot standing broad jump and a vertical leap of 43 inches. These are insane numbers,

mehhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LK8ZPFqCPY

They don't have you jump over a bar at the combine though, where you can pull your legs up like that and add an extra couple feet. They have you stretch out your arm above your head and measure the highest point, then they have you jump up and smack a bunch of bars. They take the highest bar, and the difference between that and your standing arm length is your vertical.I'd bet Johnson could clear a 66" bar if he could pull his legs up.

 

[DrJ]

refresher article regarding 40 times

Must I post the refresher debunking of Zeigler's false claims and poor understanding of the topic?

Yeah sure, I'd love to read it

Sigh, it's the wikipedia for 40 yard dash.40 yard dash

I posted it in the other thread where you posted Zeigler. It's not a big deal and people get too bent about this stuff, but given the format NFL speedsters are capable of 4.2s.

First, I agree that the Zeigler article is incorrect in that it did meters rather than yards. But I do not see how Wikpedia (which has no real sources and we have no idea whether or not someone's trained monkey typed that out) comes up with 4.24 when the conversion formula I know of, and the one used at the University of Texas and Washington & Lee (how's that for opposite ends of the spectrum ) convert that to 4.26, a time equaled by Maurice Green in his record tying run.The combine will use a "start on motion clock", thus taking about .24 off all players "real" or track times. The 4.4 you see at the combine is about a 4.6 on the track.

Well, even assuming it's 4.26 with a track start, that adds quite a bit of legitimacy to the claim that 4.2's with the NFL's format are possible. And also to the claims of 4.1's with hand timing...

 

[Donnybrook]

Cal Johnson running 4.3s Published Wed Feb 14 10:56:00 a.m. ET 2007

(Rotoworld) Calvin Johnson reportedly ran a 4.33 forty at a workout with his speed and conditioning trainer on Tuesday.

Impact: He also recorded an 11-foot standing broad jump and a vertical leap of 43 inches. These are insane numbers, but he'll have to repeat at the Yellow Jackets' pro day or at the Combine next week for them to be legit.

Here is a like to some combine numbers from wrs last year

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/nflco...j&order=ASC

I just can't believe a player that is 6'5" can run a 4.33 forty. If he runs anywhere close to that I will be really suprised. I am expecting and won't be disappointed if he has an official time of 4.5.

 

[DrJ]

Cal Johnson running 4.3s Published Wed Feb 14 10:56:00 a.m. ET 2007

(Rotoworld) Calvin Johnson reportedly ran a 4.33 forty at a workout with his speed and conditioning trainer on Tuesday.

Impact: He also recorded an 11-foot standing broad jump and a vertical leap of 43 inches. These are insane numbers, but he'll have to repeat at the Yellow Jackets' pro day or at the Combine next week for them to be legit.

Here is a like to some combine numbers from wrs last year

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/nflco...j&order=ASC

I just can't believe a player that is 6'5" can run a 4.33 forty. If he runs anywhere close to that I will be really suprised. I am expecting and won't be disappointed if he has an official time of 4.5.

Randy Moss is 6'4"...

 

[pgreenfan]

Cal Johnson running 4.3s Published Wed Feb 14 10:56:00 a.m. ET 2007

(Rotoworld) Calvin Johnson reportedly ran a 4.33 forty at a workout with his speed and conditioning trainer on Tuesday.

Impact: He also recorded an 11-foot standing broad jump and a vertical leap of 43 inches. These are insane numbers, but he'll have to repeat at the Yellow Jackets' pro day or at the Combine next week for them to be legit.

Here is a like to some combine numbers from wrs last year

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/nflco...j&order=ASC

I just can't believe a player that is 6'5" can run a 4.33 forty. If he runs anywhere close to that I will be really suprised. I am expecting and won't be disappointed if he has an official time of 4.5.

Randy Moss is 6'4"...

Matt Jones ?

 

[Donnybrook]

Cal Johnson running 4.3s Published Wed Feb 14 10:56:00 a.m. ET 2007

(Rotoworld) Calvin Johnson reportedly ran a 4.33 forty at a workout with his speed and conditioning trainer on Tuesday.

Impact: He also recorded an 11-foot standing broad jump and a vertical leap of 43 inches. These are insane numbers, but he'll have to repeat at the Yellow Jackets' pro day or at the Combine next week for them to be legit.

Here is a like to some combine numbers from wrs last year

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/nflco...j&order=ASC

I just can't believe a player that is 6'5" can run a 4.33 forty. If he runs anywhere close to that I will be really suprised. I am expecting and won't be disappointed if he has an official time of 4.5.

Randy Moss is 6'4"...

Matt Jones ?

I give you Matt Jones. Moss would probably have been less than 200 pounds when he ran his sub 4.3. I guess it could be done because Andre Johnson ran a 4.3 and I believe he is 6' 3" 230.