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[DYNASTY] 2011 Top 24 Rookies (1 Viewer)

I prefer Rudolph over Kendricks. You don't have to jump over a car or run 4.5 to be a great athlete. Rudolph is an outstanding athlete. He runs right at a 4.6 when healthy (he ran a slower time at his Pro Day, but that was just 6 months after major hamstring surgery).

He compares to Rob Gronkowski, but Rudolph is more fluid & a better athlete. If you watch Rudolph a lot, you'll notice he's a born football player. His route-running, instincts (like finding soft spots in zones), & hands are all top-notch. I like his situation, as well.

That said, it might take a year or two for Rudolph to start producing good numbers. TE is a tough position & Shiancoe could take playing time away initially. Eventually, I like Rudolph as an every-down top-tier FF TE (both PPR & non-PPR). I'm very bullish on Rudolph's prospects.

 
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To me Kendricks is similar to a Garrett Graham/Travis Beckum type, undersized who just wont have a fit in the offense and will be the Beckum to Hoomanwanui's Kevin Boss, he just doesnt have the blocking ability or the size to handle NFL DE's or LB's. Kyle Rudolph on the other hand is in the mold of a Rob Gronkowski/Jason Witten, he'll be on the field all the time and Shiancoe is done.

 
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Exactly how I feel about Murray. The guy is way too stiff to hold up with any decent workload in the NFL. Cowboys are smart to use him all around the field. Nothing I saw the last 2 years suggest he'll be an effective traditional RB more than a year or two.Quiz would have been a better pick if they intended to use more as a traditional RB. I actually had Quizz/Murray swapped around approximately where they both went in the draft. Murray offers more explosion while I think Quiz can be more effective than Murray with a larger load.Via Rotoworld.com

DeMarco Murray - RB - CowboysOne longtime AFC scout questions whether DeMarco Murray's playing style and body type will allow him to hold up over the long haul."If you don't have the ability to make guys miss, you're going to take a lot of punishment," said the scout. "A downhill, one-cut runner might only have a two- or three-year window. This is not an elusive guy who has a lot of shift to his game." An NFC GM conceded that he wouldn't have considered Murray until the draft's later rounds because of the potential for injury. Coach Jason Garrett has already informed Murray that he'll be used all over the field, including in the slot and split out wide. That should help the third-rounder stay out of the trainer's room.
I think Murray is a wasted pick in dynasty fantasy leagues.
 
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Exactly how I feel about Murray. The guy is way too stiff to hold up with any decent workload in the NFL. Cowboys are smart to use him all around the field. Nothing I saw the last 2 years suggest he'll be an effective traditional RB more than a year or two.Quiz would have been a better pick if they intended to use more as a traditional RB. I actually had Quizz/Murray swapped around approximately where they both went in the draft. Murray offers more explosion while I think Quiz can be more effective than Murray with a larger load.Via Rotoworld.com

DeMarco Murray - RB - CowboysOne longtime AFC scout questions whether DeMarco Murray's playing style and body type will allow him to hold up over the long haul."If you don't have the ability to make guys miss, you're going to take a lot of punishment," said the scout. "A downhill, one-cut runner might only have a two- or three-year window. This is not an elusive guy who has a lot of shift to his game." An NFC GM conceded that he wouldn't have considered Murray until the draft's later rounds because of the potential for injury. Coach Jason Garrett has already informed Murray that he'll be used all over the field, including in the slot and split out wide. That should help the third-rounder stay out of the trainer's room.
I think Murray is a wasted pick in dynasty fantasy leagues.
There's been some great one-cut downhill runners. Never heard of the 2 or 3-year window for those guys. I think this scout needs to be fired, LOL.Murray runs much like CJ & Charles. Neither of those guys use a lot of lateral movement (like McCoy does). Obviously, guys like Murray can be very effective.Not sure when it'll happen, but I believe Murray is a virtual lock to be a very good feature back.
 
14. RB DeMarco Murray, Cowboys - I'm an admitted DeMarco Murray hater. People have been hyping him for years and I've just never understood what the fuss was about. He has an unconventional build for a pro RB and an awkward running style. I thought he would go quietly, but then he blew up at the Senior Bowl and put on a show at the combine. There's no denying that Murray is vertically explosive. He's fast in a straight line and an interesting prospect as a pass catcher out of the backfield. On the other hand, I've seen him at his 1 YPC worst. He lacks power and just doesn't look like a fluid rusher to me. I don't like him, but he was a high pick and if a uniquely-built runner like Darren McFadden can achieve some success in the NFL then I can't totally write off Murray. I don't really see how he fits in with Dallas because there's a lot of skill overlap with Felix Jones, but they didn't draft him to watch him sit on the bench, so if nothing else he should get some carries as a COOP back. Is he the long-term answer at RB for this team or your FF squad? I'd be surprised.
If I had a magic time machine to see any 2011 rookie's future, this would be the guy. Guy seems to have about a 25% approval rating in this forum and I just don't get it. So he's not powerful, but he definitely does not shy away from contact, he has elite (or near elite) physical attributes and his vision/instinct seems excellent. Can't wait to see what develops.
What's intersting about him though is that even the Sooner fans that I know who don't miss a snap are pretty meh about him. He is going to fall enough in drafts where I will pick him because of situation etc. but not a guy who seems to inspire excitement, buzz.
True. It pains me to say as a Sooner fan, Murray will unfortunately bust. He is oft injured and is not explosive at all. His ypc was dismal at OU. Dallas reached with the pick. I hated it as a Cowboys fan. He is decent catching the ball out of the backfield and around the goal line though. I am cheering for him, but just don't see it happening.
 
14. RB DeMarco Murray, Cowboys - I'm an admitted DeMarco Murray hater. People have been hyping him for years and I've just never understood what the fuss was about. He has an unconventional build for a pro RB and an awkward running style. I thought he would go quietly, but then he blew up at the Senior Bowl and put on a show at the combine. There's no denying that Murray is vertically explosive. He's fast in a straight line and an interesting prospect as a pass catcher out of the backfield. On the other hand, I've seen him at his 1 YPC worst. He lacks power and just doesn't look like a fluid rusher to me. I don't like him, but he was a high pick and if a uniquely-built runner like Darren McFadden can achieve some success in the NFL then I can't totally write off Murray. I don't really see how he fits in with Dallas because there's a lot of skill overlap with Felix Jones, but they didn't draft him to watch him sit on the bench, so if nothing else he should get some carries as a COOP back. Is he the long-term answer at RB for this team or your FF squad? I'd be surprised.
If I had a magic time machine to see any 2011 rookie's future, this would be the guy. Guy seems to have about a 25% approval rating in this forum and I just don't get it. So he's not powerful, but he definitely does not shy away from contact, he has elite (or near elite) physical attributes and his vision/instinct seems excellent. Can't wait to see what develops.
What's intersting about him though is that even the Sooner fans that I know who don't miss a snap are pretty meh about him. He is going to fall enough in drafts where I will pick him because of situation etc. but not a guy who seems to inspire excitement, buzz.
True. It pains me to say as a Sooner fan, Murray will unfortunately bust. He is oft injured and is not explosive at all. His ypc was dismal at OU. Dallas reached with the pick. I hated it as a Cowboys fan. He is decent catching the ball out of the backfield and around the goal line though. I am cheering for him, but just don't see it happening.
I explained this in another thread, but my theory is sometimes you can get too close to players & start seeing what I call "insignificant warts". I'm a Sooners fan & I'm absolutely thrilled about his pro prospects (which isn't my MO). I'm not sure what the dynamic is that has people surprised to see he was a 3rd round pick, but I have him rated as the 2nd best RB behind Ingram. Murray is a prototypical feature back prospect in today's NFL, IMO. I think lots of people are going to be very surprised at Murray's pro career. That said, it could take a couple of seasons for him to get established.
 
14. RB DeMarco Murray, Cowboys - I'm an admitted DeMarco Murray hater. People have been hyping him for years and I've just never understood what the fuss was about. He has an unconventional build for a pro RB and an awkward running style. I thought he would go quietly, but then he blew up at the Senior Bowl and put on a show at the combine. There's no denying that Murray is vertically explosive. He's fast in a straight line and an interesting prospect as a pass catcher out of the backfield. On the other hand, I've seen him at his 1 YPC worst. He lacks power and just doesn't look like a fluid rusher to me. I don't like him, but he was a high pick and if a uniquely-built runner like Darren McFadden can achieve some success in the NFL then I can't totally write off Murray. I don't really see how he fits in with Dallas because there's a lot of skill overlap with Felix Jones, but they didn't draft him to watch him sit on the bench, so if nothing else he should get some carries as a COOP back. Is he the long-term answer at RB for this team or your FF squad? I'd be surprised.
If I had a magic time machine to see any 2011 rookie's future, this would be the guy. Guy seems to have about a 25% approval rating in this forum and I just don't get it. So he's not powerful, but he definitely does not shy away from contact, he has elite (or near elite) physical attributes and his vision/instinct seems excellent. Can't wait to see what develops.
What's intersting about him though is that even the Sooner fans that I know who don't miss a snap are pretty meh about him. He is going to fall enough in drafts where I will pick him because of situation etc. but not a guy who seems to inspire excitement, buzz.
True. It pains me to say as a Sooner fan, Murray will unfortunately bust. He is oft injured and is not explosive at all. His ypc was dismal at OU. Dallas reached with the pick. I hated it as a Cowboys fan. He is decent catching the ball out of the backfield and around the goal line though. I am cheering for him, but just don't see it happening.
I explained this in another thread, but my theory is sometimes you can get too close to players & start seeing what I call "insignificant warts". I'm a Sooners fan & I'm absolutely thrilled about his pro prospects (which isn't my MO). I'm not sure what the dynamic is that has people surprised to see he was a 3rd round pick, but I have him rated as the 2nd best RB behind Ingram. Murray is a prototypical feature back prospect in today's NFL, IMO. I think lots of people are going to be very surprised at Murray's pro career. That said, it could take a couple of seasons for him to get established.
I agree I love Murray and to much is being said about the guy and being injury prone. he missed 4 games in 4 years come on he isn't inj prone.. The cowboys HC was bragging about how good of a blocker he was and willing to block, and also a pass catcher along with great running skills... He didn't have that horrible of a ypc like the poster a few posts behind said... I think the bad wrap on Murray is not validated to be honest and he is gonna be great IMO
 
One thing I find interesting in the original post is that EBF compares Murray to Felix. To me Felix has true RB moves and talent but comes out of the game every couple of plays (toughness? coaching?). Murray has toughness but I just don't see the RB moves and talent beyond his speed.

 
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One thing I find interesting in the original post is that EBF compares Murray to Felix. To me Felix has true RB moves and talent but comes out of the game every couple of plays (toughness? coaching?). Murray has toughness but I just don't see the RB moves and talent beyond his speed.
What's interesting to me is that I remember hearing similar things about Charles coming out. Yeah he was fast and yeah he could catch and block, but he was straight line-ish and injury prone. Certainly don't expect Murray to be as good as Charles but it is interesting.
 
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One thing I find interesting in the original post is that EBF compares Murray to Felix. To me Felix has true RB moves and talent but comes out of the game every couple of plays (toughness? coaching?). Murray has toughness but I just don't see the RB moves and talent beyond his speed.
What's interesting to me is that I remember hearing similar things about Charles coming out. Yeah he was fast and yeah he could catch and block, but he was straight line-ish and injury prone. Certainly don't expect Murray to be as good as Charles but it is interesting.
Charles averaged 6.2 YPC in college, murray barely over 4.Murray just doesn't have the vision or instincts to be a very good rb. He is a much better receiver then runner and his future might be in the slot.
 
One thing I find interesting in the original post is that EBF compares Murray to Felix. To me Felix has true RB moves and talent but comes out of the game every couple of plays (toughness? coaching?). Murray has toughness but I just don't see the RB moves and talent beyond his speed.
I don't think I compared them. I think I said there's overlap in terms of what they bring to the Cowboys. Both are somewhat undersized runners who offers some explosiveness, but lack conventional bulk and power. Felix looks a lot more fluid and elusive to me. Murray has straight line explosiveness and not much else. He is an awkward runner. I have always been a casual fan of Felix's game. I have never liked Murray.
 
One thing I find interesting in the original post is that EBF compares Murray to Felix. To me Felix has true RB moves and talent but comes out of the game every couple of plays (toughness? coaching?). Murray has toughness but I just don't see the RB moves and talent beyond his speed.
What's interesting to me is that I remember hearing similar things about Charles coming out. Yeah he was fast and yeah he could catch and block, but he was straight line-ish and injury prone. Certainly don't expect Murray to be as good as Charles but it is interesting.
Different creatures, IMO.The issue I had with Charles was his build. I just didn't think a guy that skinny could become a featured back in the NFL (and in some respects he hasn't). In terms of his actual performance on the field, he showed a lot of elusiveness and big play skills that I've never seen from Murray.
 
One thing I find interesting in the original post is that EBF compares Murray to Felix. To me Felix has true RB moves and talent but comes out of the game every couple of plays (toughness? coaching?). Murray has toughness but I just don't see the RB moves and talent beyond his speed.
What's interesting to me is that I remember hearing similar things about Charles coming out. Yeah he was fast and yeah he could catch and block, but he was straight line-ish and injury prone. Certainly don't expect Murray to be as good as Charles but it is interesting.
Different creatures, IMO.The issue I had with Charles was his build. I just didn't think a guy that skinny could become a featured back in the NFL (and in some respects he hasn't). In terms of his actual performance on the field, he showed a lot of elusiveness and big play skills that I've never seen from Murray.
Are you talking Charles at Texas or in the NFL? I'll have to go back and look at him.Construx boy - your point will make me re-look at MurrayDang - If you heard that about Charles, this vid proves that wrong. Wow. Crazy first step.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fq8TzJnM3o
 
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Well I'm not saying Murray is or will be as good as Charles. Just that two negative words used about him coming out that I remember were injury prone (maybe just due to body shape) or straight line-ish. And really in that highlight video he is pretty straight line-ish, ie not cutting back against the grain alot. Anyway, just a passing thought.

 
Hope this isn't too sloppy of a copy and paste job, just emailed this to a co owner in one of my dyno's. Curious for some feedback, I still watched a lot of college football last year but real life is catching up so I didn't watch nearly as much as I have in the past

Mark Ingram New Orleans Can't miss, best runner on team, very explosive offense, limited ppr value though

Jacquizz Rodgers Atlanta Replaces Norwood, but also has featured back potential as Turner ages - this draft's MJD, downgraded due to height but talent is immense - I want

Mikel LeShoure Detroit I'm trying to trade for Best right now, love LeShoure but awful situation - he'll get the goal line, 4th quarter, and just spell Best the rest of the game - not worth the price of admission

Ryan Williams Arizona Fragile but very talented and opportunity coming with Beanie souring on mgmt, better risk in redraft than dynasty

Delone Carter Indy Under rated talent on a team with mediocre RB's making a concerted effort to fix the o line - quality round 3 buy

Bilal Powell Jets Very good situation, under rated player - Greene may be souring on mgmt so opportunity could be there soon - another buy

Taiwan Jones Oakland I think M Bush is gone and DMC is fragile, high ceiling player and opportunity could be there soon - see the last 2

Daniel Thomas Miami Don't think he's that good and I think Miami isn't planning on rolling with him as their only RB this year - way over priced

Dion Lewis Philly Great compliment to Shady, but a clear #2 in the pecking order - great cuff to Shady but limited upside otherwise - value in the 4th

Shane Vereen New England Just don't trust NE RB's, at best he'll be a fantasy #3 you don't want to start week to week - way over valued

Da'Rel Scott Giants These guys know how to draft RB's late and given the uncertainty of the current lot an opportunity could be there soon - quality 4th/5th buy

Johnny White Buffalo Sleeper potential here, Fred Jackson's successor and CJ Spiler isn't a full time back - another qualirty 4th/5th round buy

Roy Helu Washington Backup caliber RB, not a good long term solution - meaning he's a perfect fit for Shenanigans - avoid the headache - way too early

Kendall Hunter San Fran I thi nk the other RB on the roster Anthony Dixon is better, if something were to happen to Gore this is a committee - another way too early

DeMarco Murray Dallas At best he's a CoP back, good in the passing game and on 3rd down but that's it - as a true RB he's lousy

Alex Green Green Bay Opportunity's there, but really don't think he's any good of a RB and Green Bay has struggled evaluating RB talent

Jamie Harper Tennessee Opportunity but not much talent - probably not drafting

Jay Finley Cincy Opportunity but not much talent - probably not drafting

Evan Royster Washington Opportunity but not much talent - probably not drafting

Julio Jones Atlanta Perfect fit for Atlanta, #2 fantasy ceiling though

AJ Green Cincy More upside than Julio but has risks associated with rookie QB and Cincy in general

Greg Little Cleveland I have similar expectations for Little as I do Jones

Titus Young Detroit Perfect compliment to Calvin - if he falls deep enough and we have the picks I want him

Vincent Brown San Diego Probably won't fall far enough, but really like the talent and situation as SD has lots of WR's with expiring contracts

Edmond Gates Miami Really any of these 3 in the 3rd would be gold - perfect compliment to Marshall

Randall Cobb Green Bay Better NFL player than fantasy, would rather have the above 3 in fantasy as they have higher ceilings - he won't fall far enough

Jonathan Baldwin KC Not a fan - head issues I see becoming worse with a hot head for a head coach that is trying to do too much OC work (which he isn’t that good at) - great talent though

Tandon Doss Baltimore Better talent than Torrey Smith, if draft position is forgotten I'd bet on him winning the competition to be the deep threat in Baltimore

Leonard Hankerson Wash Just a bad feeling here, Wash WR's never seem to pan out and Hankerson has the same red flags most of them do - attention issues, hands, and routes - helluvan athlete though

Greg Salas St Louis Don't know anything about him outside of what I've read, I'd bet on Avery or Alexander winning the play making role over him - their health could open an opportunity though

Denarius Moore Oakland Like Salas don't know much about him, but haven't liked what I've read as much - clearer path to PT though

Jerrel Jernigan Giants Like Cobb, better NFL player than fantasy - not too interested in any more than a late round stash here

Austin Pettis St Louis Similar to Jernigan, upside is Amendola who I think he's replacing

Torrey Smith Baltimore Should be low enough that we don't get him - he's an athlete (with tiny hands) but not a wr

DeAndre Brown UDFA Honestly, I like these last 2 more than everyone listed before Hankerson - wasn't drafted because of head issues

Armon Binns UDFA Same - sticky hands, high points the ball well, and is fast enough - surprised he wasn't drafted

TE

Kyle Rudolph Minny Shank's contract ends after 2012, path to starter is clear - concerned about a low ceiling though, kinda like another ND TE - Carlson

Lance Kendricks St Louis Wasn't blown away by him in college, but McDaniels really pushed for him and is adjusting his offense (allegedly) to use him more - think I'd rather have the next 2 a round or so later

Jordan Cameron Cleveland One of these two will be a late round flier for us - former basketball players go pro football, Jimmy Graham potential for both

Rob Housler Arizona If you want to flip them because Housler was drafted a round earlier, have at it

Julius Thomas Denver Don't like the offense as much as the other 2 basketball players, same upside though

Luke Stocker Tampa Opportunity's there and like the offense but ceiling is much lower than the above 3

Cam Newton Carolina Better fantasy player than NFL due to his legs - won't fall to round 2 though

Blaine Gabbert Jax Lower ceiling, but safest bet in this lot to still be starting in 5 years - not sure when I'd feel comfortable taking him but probably not early enough

Colin Kaepernick San Fran Love this kid, love the situation - I want in round 3/4

Jake Locker Tenn Cam Newton only less uncertaintry about his accuracy - it's terrible

Christian Ponder Minn Doubts about situation and his ceiling is low, not overly interested

Andy Dalton Cincy Love his head but…it's Cincy. Too many doubts

Ryan Mallett NE I believe in the situation, he can overcome his head issues - might be a long wait though

Ricky Stanzi KC Not drafting but watching, don't trust Cassell and Stanzi is legit

Pat Devlin UDFA Not drafting him, but love the talent - on the watch list

 
Well I'm not saying Murray is or will be as good as Charles. Just that two negative words used about him coming out that I remember were injury prone (maybe just due to body shape) or straight line-ish. And really in that highlight video he is pretty straight line-ish, ie not cutting back against the grain alot. Anyway, just a passing thought.
People were saying Jamaal Charles was straight line-ish coming out of Texas? Based on the highlight clip beto posted, I find that very hard to believe.
 
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Well I'm not saying Murray is or will be as good as Charles. Just that two negative words used about him coming out that I remember were injury prone (maybe just due to body shape) or straight line-ish. And really in that highlight video he is pretty straight line-ish, ie not cutting back against the grain alot. Anyway, just a passing thought.
People were saying Jamaal Charles was straight line-ish coming out of Texas? Based on the highlight clip beto posted, I find that very hard to believe.
That's what I have in my notes. And I guess maybe we disagree on a definition of straight line-ish. I interpret it as a guy who isn't changing sides of the field much or cutting back against the grain. I think I've seen people call that North-South or a downhill runner. I think a lot of times it has a negative connotation as in someone who doesn't have the wiggle or jukes to get past players. I view it more of general description of their running "direction" if you will and then also watch to see if the runner has the wiggle necessary to make it work. Charles clearly does and it shows in the highlight clip. But I also think it shows that he is pretty much a straight up the field guy without a lot of sweeps or cutbacks across the field when he gets to the second level. What's unusual to me is that he has the speed and quickness to run sweeps or cutback but instead he runs straight down the field more often. What do you think when you hear a RB described as straight line-ish?
 
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Well I'm not saying Murray is or will be as good as Charles. Just that two negative words used about him coming out that I remember were injury prone (maybe just due to body shape) or straight line-ish. And really in that highlight video he is pretty straight line-ish, ie not cutting back against the grain alot. Anyway, just a passing thought.
People were saying Jamaal Charles was straight line-ish coming out of Texas? Based on the highlight clip beto posted, I find that very hard to believe.
That's what I have in my notes. And I guess maybe we disagree on a definition of straight line-ish. I interpret it as a guy who isn't changing sides of the field much or cutting back against the grain. I think I've seen people call that North-South or a downhill runner. I think a lot of times it has a negative connotation as in someone who doesn't have the wiggle or jukes to get past players. I view it more of general description of their running "direction" if you will and then also watch to see if the runner has the wiggle necessary to make it work. Charles clearly does and it shows in the highlight clip. But I also think it shows that he is pretty much a straight up the field guy without a lot of sweeps or cutbacks across the field when he gets to the second level. What's unusual to me is that he has the speed and quickness to run sweeps or cutback but instead he runs straight down the field more often. What do you think when you hear a RB described as straight line-ish?
I think pretty well exactly the same thing you do about what a straight line runner is. The difference between you and I seems to be that you think a player is not a straight line runner if a he does sweeps and cutbacks in the 2nd level, whereas I think a player is not a straight line runner if he does sweeps and cutbacks in the 1st level; which Charles did a tonne of in that video.
 
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Well I'm not saying Murray is or will be as good as Charles. Just that two negative words used about him coming out that I remember were injury prone (maybe just due to body shape) or straight line-ish. And really in that highlight video he is pretty straight line-ish, ie not cutting back against the grain alot. Anyway, just a passing thought.
People were saying Jamaal Charles was straight line-ish coming out of Texas? Based on the highlight clip beto posted, I find that very hard to believe.
That's what I have in my notes. And I guess maybe we disagree on a definition of straight line-ish. I interpret it as a guy who isn't changing sides of the field much or cutting back against the grain. I think I've seen people call that North-South or a downhill runner. I think a lot of times it has a negative connotation as in someone who doesn't have the wiggle or jukes to get past players. I view it more of general description of their running "direction" if you will and then also watch to see if the runner has the wiggle necessary to make it work. Charles clearly does and it shows in the highlight clip. But I also think it shows that he is pretty much a straight up the field guy without a lot of sweeps or cutbacks across the field when he gets to the second level. What's unusual to me is that he has the speed and quickness to run sweeps or cutback but instead he runs straight down the field more often. What do you think when you hear a RB described as straight line-ish?
I think pretty well exactly the same thing you do about what a straight line runner is. The difference between you and I seems to be that you think a player is not a straight line runner if a he does sweeps and cutbacks in the 2nd level, whereas I think a player is not a straight line runner if he does sweeps and cutbacks in the 1st level; which Charles did a tonne of in that video.
:shrug: OK, guess we just see it differently. I think most of the runs in that particular clip were more up the middle. But either way I'm now wondering if my note was from watching him myself or from another scouting report. Anyway, what do other people think?ETA: Just to add an example from the tape, watch the run that starts about 0:43 and then stop it at 0:48 or 0:49. In my opinion, a straight line runner does what Charles does here, which is pretty much run right into the defender and wiggle his way into the end zone. A cut back runner would cut to the right there behind (or in front of) the official where there is a ton of open space. The funny thing is that he comes up limping a bit as he scores. A straight line runner, again, IMHO, is more effective but also exposes himself to more punishment.
 
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One thing I find interesting in the original post is that EBF compares Murray to Felix. To me Felix has true RB moves and talent but comes out of the game every couple of plays (toughness? coaching?). Murray has toughness but I just don't see the RB moves and talent beyond his speed.
What's interesting to me is that I remember hearing similar things about Charles coming out. Yeah he was fast and yeah he could catch and block, but he was straight line-ish and injury prone. Certainly don't expect Murray to be as good as Charles but it is interesting.
it happens all the time, I can't even tell you how many times I have heard this and that about a certain player and then they end up being a stud.
 
I believe Murray is the surprise RB of this class. Blazing speed & he runs much tougher than he's given credit for. Murray has a nice hard-cut/juke, as well. He's also a good receiver & blocker. Outstanding pro prospect, IMO.

 
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wow

1. AJ

2. Cam

3. Murray

4. Julio

5. DMoore

6. Dalton

i pat myself on the back about Murray, DMoore, and AJGreen

and i have to eat alot of crow on Cam, Dalton and Julio as i thought they were way overrated

what a crazy class and not so sure this isnt how it plays out in the future as I havent seen anything in dynasty that holds the current top6 back

 
wow1. AJ 2. Cam3. Murray4. Julio5. DMoore6. Daltoni pat myself on the back about Murray, DMoore, and AJGreenand i have to eat alot of crow on Cam, Dalton and Julio as i thought they were way overratedwhat a crazy class and not so sure this isnt how it plays out in the future as I havent seen anything in dynasty that holds the current top6 back
:lmao: :lmao:
 
wow1. AJ 2. Cam3. Murray4. Julio5. DMoore6. Daltoni pat myself on the back about Murray, DMoore, and AJGreenand i have to eat alot of crow on Cam, Dalton and Julio as i thought they were way overratedwhat a crazy class and not so sure this isnt how it plays out in the future as I havent seen anything in dynasty that holds the current top6 back
Definitely some surprises this year. Obviously I was well off the mark with Murray, but the biggest surprise for me has probably been Moore since he wasn't even drafted. I don't know how the scouts missed him at Tennessee. I still think Ingram is a valuable commodity. Definitely wouldn't trade him for Dalton. He and Baldwin are the most obvious buy lows since they have the first round talent without the immediate hype.
 
wow1. AJ 2. Cam3. Murray4. Julio5. DMoore6. Daltoni pat myself on the back about Murray, DMoore, and AJGreenand i have to eat alot of crow on Cam, Dalton and Julio as i thought they were way overratedwhat a crazy class and not so sure this isnt how it plays out in the future as I havent seen anything in dynasty that holds the current top6 back
Definitely some surprises this year. Obviously I was well off the mark with Murray, but the biggest surprise for me has probably been Moore since he wasn't even drafted. I don't know how the scouts missed him at Tennessee. I still think Ingram is a valuable commodity. Definitely wouldn't trade him for Dalton. He and Baldwin are the most obvious buy lows since they have the first round talent without the immediate hype.
I believe Moore was drafted in the 5th round.
 
wow1. AJ 2. Cam3. Murray4. Julio5. DMoore6. Daltoni pat myself on the back about Murray, DMoore, and AJGreenand i have to eat alot of crow on Cam, Dalton and Julio as i thought they were way overratedwhat a crazy class and not so sure this isnt how it plays out in the future as I havent seen anything in dynasty that holds the current top6 back
Definitely some surprises this year. Obviously I was well off the mark with Murray, but the biggest surprise for me has probably been Moore since he wasn't even drafted. I don't know how the scouts missed him at Tennessee. I still think Ingram is a valuable commodity. Definitely wouldn't trade him for Dalton. He and Baldwin are the most obvious buy lows since they have the first round talent without the immediate hype.
I believe Moore was drafted in the 5th round.
yep, right after Pilares and before Kerley
 
wow1. AJ 2. Cam3. Murray4. Julio5. DMoore6. Daltoni pat myself on the back about Murray, DMoore, and AJGreenand i have to eat alot of crow on Cam, Dalton and Julio as i thought they were way overratedwhat a crazy class and not so sure this isnt how it plays out in the future as I havent seen anything in dynasty that holds the current top6 back
Definitely some surprises this year. Obviously I was well off the mark with Murray, but the biggest surprise for me has probably been Moore since he wasn't even drafted. I don't know how the scouts missed him at Tennessee. I still think Ingram is a valuable commodity. Definitely wouldn't trade him for Dalton. He and Baldwin are the most obvious buy lows since they have the first round talent without the immediate hype.
I believe Moore was drafted in the 5th round.
yep, right after Pilares and before Kerley
I think he was just off people's radar at the time because he was ranked so low in the rookie scouting portfolio.
 
Yea, my bad. Moore was drafted, but not very high. The hit rate for 5th round receivers is not too impressive at all.

I don't know how a talent like him fell through the cracks playing at a high visibility SEC school.

Guess it happens though (Terrell Davis, Arian Foster, etc).

 

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