easy like sunday morning
Footballguy
I will admit that having the 4th pick I was not all that excited once Portis got hurt. I was sold on taking Portis. Tiki was huge last night. He doesn't look to be a 30 year old RB at all.
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Let's hear all the Tiki Love (1 Viewer)
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kylechoffman
Footballguy
Yeah - right here
- The drive that tiki helped so much on, was pulled in favor of B jacobs going in for the last 7 yards and scored a td. That td would have helped me a bit.
my man otis
Footballguy
get used to it. jacobs is a GL beast.
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
God forbid he only put up 170 yards on 23 touches.
Are we talking NFL or fantasy?If it's NFL, yes, he had a great game. (or in a yardage-only league) In my league, Ronnie Brown had a much better game, and he only had 30 yards rushing.If Jacobs steals all of Tiki's goal line carries, he will be a bust at overall number four.KnowledgeReignsSupreme said:
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
Sounds like a problem with your league scoring. Stop overating the last 1 yard and underrating the previous 99.
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I'm sure that my league is in the majority. Just like in the NFL, it's the touchdown that matter.Yardage is important, too, but if a guy gets a ton of yardage and never crosses the goaline, he won't be top ten, let alone number four.
Redwes25
Footballguy
Jacobs pretty much stole all of Tiki's goal line carries last year. However, he will still get his scores from a distance and threw the passing game like he got last year. It sure helps that he is a yardage god.
GreedoShotFirst
Footballguy
I took Tiki at #4 and while sure, I would have liked the TD, I'll take 170 total yards every time with a 
shamrock84
Footballguy
I hate Jacobs. Here's to hoping he catches gonorrhea and misses a couple months...
jurb26
Footballguy
Ronnie Brown outscored Tiki Baber in a Stadard Scoring format.Brown = 18 pointsBarber = 17 points
Validation!
easy like sunday morning
Footballguy
How did Brown outscore him? 12 pts for 2 TDs, 3 pts for 30 yards rushing, 3 pts for 32 yards rec., and 3 pts for ppr= 21 pts. I am in a ppr. He got me 11 for 110 yards rushing, 6 for 61 yards rushing, 5 for 5 receptions, and to top it off 3 for a bonus of over 100 yards rushing. In my league that put it at 25 Tiki. If your league is TD heavy than I would for sure not have drafted Tiki at #4 as Jacobs was a known TD hawk from the start.
goonsquad
Think different.
Hardly a "much better game", though. JuniorNB's league scoring is obviously touchdown heavy, in which case Tiki should never had been even considered at the #4 pick. Everyone knew going in that Jacobs would vulture TD's.
suchislife
Footballguy
Anyone paying attention during TC & preseason should have known this. Tiki said it himself he won't be the goal line back.
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
You're missing the point. I think there's as huge problem with "standard scoring". It grossly overrates TDs and underrates real work. The last yard in football is not 60x harder to get than any other 1 yard on the field.Someone please come in here and tell me they think Ronnie Brown had a better game than Tiki and deserves to score better fantasy wise.
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My league rewards six points for a touchdown and one point for every 20 yards rushing.Sure, that's a little touchdown-heavy, but if an NFL team out gains their oponent 400 yards to 175 yards, but fails inside the redzone all day, it's very possible that the team with 175 yards could win the game.The yardage is nice, but means nothing without finding the endzone.
suchislife
Footballguy
The object of the game is to score points, not rack up yards. Many leagues already reward big yardage days with bonus points.
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
It is impossible to score points in the NFL if you cannot rack up yards to some extent. Some bozo who plunges for a 1 yard score a couple times should not have a better fantasy day than a RB who carried the team on his back to the redzone time and time again.
suchislife
Footballguy
The leagues I'm in try to mimic the NFL as much as possible. If a team rushes (or passes) for 300 yds but gets out scored, does the NFL award consulation points? Would you be in favor of increasing the points for yardage (thereby further increasing the value of RB's) or lower the points for TD's?
goonsquad
Think different.
Correction: Tiki is too good to keep off the field. Period. Jacobs will spell him and take GL carries, but there's no way they significantly reduce Tiki's carries in an effort to keep Jacobs on the field. Tiki had 23 touches to Jacob's 8 last night. I think that's the split we'll be seeing all year.
Gopher State
Footballguy
Little concerned about Tiki. It looked like the Giants plan to spell Tiki more during the game, not just at the goal line. Yards are nice, but now you got Jacobs taking some yards along with the goal line carries.
H.K.
Footballguy
Not exactly sure how your league mimics the NFL. Peyton Manning has only scored 54 points in his career, but Vanderjagt has 995 in his. If Vandy was so important to Indy, why was it Manning who got a huge contract and Vandy was let go? I mean, Vanderjagt has scored so many more points!
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
I 
tiki.
3rd year I've had him in a keeper league. I had minor concerns with his mileage going into this year but he came through big last night.
tiki.3rd year I've had him in a keeper league. I had minor concerns with his mileage going into this year but he came through big last night.
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
I would certainly lower the points for TDs to about 2 across the board.The team that puts up 300 yards passing, probably had defensive problems if they got outscored or maybe they couldn't run effectively to shorter the game in the 2nd half. That's not the fault of the offense, or at least the QB. Scoring/wins/losses in the NFL is a team effort, but in fantasy we are trying to reward for individual effort. If a RB or QB carries his team on his back all game, but doesn't get enough, oh so critical to fantasy scoring, TDs, he should be considered to have a better fantasy game then the guy who did nothing for his team all game except get a few cheapo short TDs.RBs who can carry a team on their back all game are much more rare than RBs who can score on a 2 yard run. You can plug almost anyone in to do the work of the latter.I think in general, FFers sorely overrate TDs with the "well that's all that matters in the NFL" cop out. A TD usually the result of what you did right the previous 70-80 yards. Making TDs so important to fantasy scoring is too results oriented for my taste.
suchislife
Footballguy
By all means, feel free to adjust your league's scoring as you see fit. But going into this year's draft, it was pretty well known that Tiki was going to be the workhorse and Jacobs was the goal line back. Something that should have been factored into the rankings prior to the draft. Yesterday's game should have been no surprise as to which back was in for the goal line carry. Is the scoring fair? Its up to your league to decide. I agree that the TD is usually a result of what the offense did right. However, I think by including bonus points for yardage milestones adjusts for that. A lot of leagues already give PPR. Tiki's value is determined by the league's scoring and needs to be accounted for when ranking players.
Redwes25
Footballguy
You might want to add the 245 touchdown passes that Manning has thrown to that figure.4 - Digit Shark
Footballguy
Yes, he's proven he can be a 300+ carry 50+ reception 10+ TD guy by his total of 46 career carries and ZERO catches in 17 NFL regular season games.Tiki just came off a 5 catch 171 yard performance and there is no reason to show him any love? He sure looked like he is going to slow down now. There's no way they'll be spliting carries and catches 50/50 by mid season. You just have it out for Tiki for some reason this year, and will post this BS to try to make a point. All Jacobs has proven is that he can be very effective as a change of pace back and a good goal line back. Can he develop into more, possibly, but to say he has proven it is a joke.
