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Insein said:
Was at the game today with the kids. Fun atmosphere and we had a good time. The game however was miserable. Refs were awful. Defense made no adjustments. You would think after the 40th running attempt, you would put 9 in the box and not even worry about the pass. But I guess not. 
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This is what had me driving angry (not at other cars) coming back from Columbus.  How can you not make that adjustment?  Everybody in that stadium knew Illinois' passing attack sucks, so why not stuff the box?  :loco:

It makes you wonder what kind of performance they'll put on at the Shoe on Saturday night.  Oh, and PITT is ranked above us.  :hot:  

 
Jutz said:
The more I thought about it, I feel like this is perfect timing for him to leave (for him personally).  He has 2 major programs very interested in him which could create a bidding war and he has a top (maybe top 3 or 5) recruiting class going into 2022 that he could sell flipping them if he leaves.  USC or LSU could pay him, most likely, more than double what he could make at PSU.  I just think this is it for him and I feel like the Illiniois loss was related to these distractions.  And I think, like many of you on this board, would not be sad in any way to see him go.
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I'm not necessarily pro- or anti- HCJF. If he wins games and runs a "clean" program (air quotes as a nod to Cappy), then I don't really care.  If he can better himself by taking the LSU or USC job, do it.  If I saw him, I'd probably remind him that the pressure at those two schools is miles above PSU.  

 
Can’t blame Franklin for trying to better his lot in life, but you wouldn’t think that laying an egg like that vs. Illinois helps his leverage much.
 

I remember him saying he was a “Pennsylvania boy with a Penn State heart” in his introductory press conference.   Guess we will find out in the next few weeks.  Reminds me of that meme of the guy checking out another girl right in front of his girlfriend.

 
Franklin said he's not interested in other jobs. He's just focused on Illinois this week. Maybe that was the problem on Saturday. He didn't realize he was playing Illinois. 

 
Insein said:
Franklin said he's not interested in other jobs. He's just focused on Illinois this week. Maybe that was the problem on Saturday. He didn't realize he was playing Illinois. 
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I had no idea what you were talking about and thought you were joking when I read this only to find out it's true?  Article also says he referred to the Horseshoe as The Big House???  And also that he just switched agents???

Franklin changes agent

He joins Nick Saban, Lane Kiffin, Kirby Smart and Steve Sarkisian among coaches represented by Sexton.
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Jutz said:
I had no idea what you were talking about and thought you were joking when I read this only to find out it's true?  Article also says he referred to the Horseshoe as The Big House???  And also that he just switched agents???

Franklin changes agent
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I'll be happy when he's gone. He made us relevant sometimes but it was always fool's gold. By November, we're always out except for that one magical lucky year that got us a BIG 10 title but not the playoff. Great recruiter. Terrible coach. 

 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
I don't think any Penn Stater has any love for him.  He did not leave the program on good terms at all. 

What about Matt Rhule?
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Really?  Huh.  As an outsider looking in, he took over a program that was in dire straits, was sanctioned hard and went 8-4 in his first year winning national coach of the year honors.   Next year (again, sanctions and transfers decimating the team) he went 7-5 and left for the NFL.  Feel like all things considered, he did a great job there.  That thing could have imploded on Penn State.  But again, I'm an outsider and while I'm not a big Bill O'Brien fan by any means, he's going to get another job in 2022.  He's not a horrible coach and the Nick Saban reclamation projects seem to carry some cache.

Matt Rhule isn't leaving the NFL for Penn State....not after his team acquires DeShaun Watson next week. 

 
General Malaise said:
Really?  Huh.  As an outsider looking in, he took over a program that was in dire straits, was sanctioned hard and went 8-4 in his first year winning national coach of the year honors.   Next year (again, sanctions and transfers decimating the team) he went 7-5 and left for the NFL.  Feel like all things considered, he did a great job there.  That thing could have imploded on Penn State.  But again, I'm an outsider and while I'm not a big Bill O'Brien fan by any means, he's going to get another job in 2022.  He's not a horrible coach and the Nick Saban reclamation projects seem to carry some cache.

Matt Rhule isn't leaving the NFL for Penn State....not after his team acquires DeShaun Watson next week. 
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That is all true.  And then he left those kids and Penn State without warning. Going from having a coach for 50 years and then the next guy leaving after only a few seasons just didn't sit right.

 
Be ready to hear the usual suspects (Golden, Munchak, Moorhead)  with a healthy dose of “yeah, right” candidates (Cristobal, Cowher, Rhule, Meyer, Joe Brady) with a sprinkling of up-and-comers (Fickell, Campbell) and some has beens or never weres (Peterson, the Ol’ Ball Coach).

Hopefully we can hang onto the core of the 2022 recruiting class however this plays out.

 
General Malaise said:
Okay, so who comes in to fill some fairly big shoes?  What's the rumor?
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I’ve been researching this since I think it is going to happen.  I believe there is still a chance Franklin stays, but if he doesn’t these are the candidates / rumors.

I saw one article that mentioned:

Mark Stoops – HC Kentucky

Marcus Freeman – DC Notre Dame

Dan Lanning – DC Georgia

Joe Morehead – OC Oregon and former OC PSU

Matt Campbell – HC Iowa State

Saw a Cover 3 youtube video / podcast that had:

Luke Fickell – HC Cincinnati

Jeff Hafley – HC BC

Matt Campbell

Joe Moorhead

Dave Clawson – HC Wake Forest

Dave Doeren – HC NC State

Mark Stoops

Several of the guys on the youtube vid said if Fickell had the opportunity to go they thought it would be an ‘automatic fit’ and he should go.  One guy said he didn’t think Fickle wanted to leave Ohio and uproot his family and that he is a ‘Midwest’ guy.  He thinks Fickell is waiting for something like Ohio State, Michigan, or some other Midwest school but that PSU is farily close.  Pretty unanimous that they thought Campbell or Fickell would be great and PSU fans should be happy to get.

They talked about how Mooehead is a ‘Pittsburg guy’ and how they thought if Pitt moved on from Narduzzi they thought Moorehead would go after that job.  But Narduzzi has Pitt in contention for the ACC championship at this point so he probably isn’t going anywhere.  I think Moorehead would be a good candidate.  The thing I like about him is, he beat Ohio State in 2016 at PSU, and he beat Ohio State this year with Oregon.  He knows how to scheme and how to beat the team we really need to beat in order to contend for the Big 10.

They said that Stoops would be difficult to pull away from Kentucky, but would be a candidate that PSU could ‘take a swing at’.  As in, it would be a reach but if they wanted to go for a big name that would probably be it.  I predict Stoops goes to PSU, Levis transfers back to PSU with him, and they win the Big 10 with the QB PSU should have kept!  Just kidding… just kidding…

I would like to throw another name out there that I have thought about on my own, and really only saw it mentioned once by someone in the comments section of the youtube video and that is Mike Yurcich.  I feel like Mike wants to be a HC.  And he is already here.  He has ties to PA and Ohio and used to be HC at Shippensburg.  He could probably help PSU hold onto Drew Allar.  Is he ready?  I don’t know.  I feel like he could be a guy that PSU could give a chance.  Another thing is, he probably wouldn’t demand a HUGE salary so PSU could invest in facilities and coaches.

Regarding the talk about BOB.  He really did leave the program on bad terms.  He had some harsh words for the ‘Paterno people’ when he left and I think he burnt the bridge essentially.  And I don't blame him for what he said.  I think he was the right guy at the right time, and essentially saved the program then moved on.  But I don't think he can come back.  I think Matt Rhule or Joe Brady would be dream candidates but are just simply… not realistic.  Would love to have Rhule though. 

I am just really curious to see if anything happens at all.  I feel like the rest of the season is going to get ugly.  PSU fans are not going to be happy, and Franklin may have all the more reason to want to get out of town.

 
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Insein said:
I'll be happy when he's gone. He made us relevant sometimes but it was always fool's gold. By November, we're always out except for that one magical lucky year that got us a BIG 10 title but not the playoff. Great recruiter. Terrible coach. 
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You know, in the past I would have disagreed with this statement... but something changed with how I view him after watching that Illinois game.  I know this is completely subjective, but the body language of him and all the players just showed a complete lack of intensity and focus and it seemed like they just didn't care.  And yes, he has been around long enough to show he has a track record of losing some game that PSU simply should not lose.  The time of it being a 'fluke' has moved to it being a 'pattern'.  There is also part of me that just thinks the Illinois loss was so bad that no coach should keep their job after that.  There were so many chances to end that game.

 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
That is all true.  And then he left those kids and Penn State without warning. Going from having a coach for 50 years and then the next guy leaving after only a few seasons just didn't sit right.
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I think almost every coach would’ve taken the offer he took when he left 

 
And to add, I agree with him about the Paterno people and the sooner they "fade away" and leave the BOT alone, the better. But you still just can't leave like that and then come back. 

 
Jutz said:
I’ve been researching this since I think it is going to happen.  I believe there is still a chance Franklin stays, but if he doesn’t these are the candidates / rumors.

I saw one article that mentioned:

Mark Stoops – HC Kentucky

Marcus Freeman – DC Notre Dame

Dan Lanning – DC Georgia

Joe Morehead – OC Oregon and former OC PSU

Matt Campbell – HC Iowa State

Saw a Cover 3 youtube video / podcast that had:

Luke Fickell – HC Cincinnati

Jeff Hafley – HC BC

Matt Campbell

Joe Moorhead

Dave Clawson – HC Wake Forest

Dave Doeren – HC NC State

Mark Stoops

Several of the guys on the youtube vid said if Fickell had the opportunity to go they thought it would be an ‘automatic fit’ and he should go.  One guy said he didn’t think Fickle wanted to leave Ohio and uproot his family and that he is a ‘Midwest’ guy.  He thinks Fickell is waiting for something like Ohio State, Michigan, or some other Midwest school but that PSU is farily close.  Pretty unanimous that they thought Campbell or Fickell would be great and PSU fans should be happy to get.

They talked about how Mooehead is a ‘Pittsburg guy’ and how they thought if Pitt moved on from Narduzzi they thought Moorehead would go after that job.  But Narduzzi has Pitt in contention for the ACC championship at this point so he probably isn’t going anywhere.  I think Moorehead would be a good candidate.  The thing I like about him is, he beat Ohio State in 2016 at PSU, and he beat Ohio State this year with Oregon.  He knows how to scheme and how to beat the team we really need to beat in order to contend for the Big 10.

They said that Stoops would be difficult to pull away from Kentucky, but would be a candidate that PSU could ‘take a swing at’.  As in, it would be a reach but if they wanted to go for a big name that would probably be it.  I predict Stoops goes to PSU, Levis transfers back to PSU with him, and they win the Big 10 with the QB PSU should have kept!  Just kidding… just kidding…

I would like to throw another name out there that I have thought about on my own, and really only saw it mentioned once by someone in the comments section of the youtube video and that is Mike Yurcich.  I feel like Mike wants to be a HC.  And he is already here.  He has ties to PA and Ohio and used to be HC at Shippensburg.  He could probably help PSU hold onto Drew Allar.  Is he ready?  I don’t know.  I feel like he could be a guy that PSU could give a chance.  Another thing is, he probably wouldn’t demand a HUGE salary so PSU could invest in facilities and coaches.

Regarding the talk about BOB.  He really did leave the program on bad terms.  He had some harsh words for the ‘Paterno people’ when he left and I think he burnt the bridge essentially.  And I don't blame him for what he said.  I think he was the right guy at the right time, and essentially saved the program then moved on.  But I don't think he can come back.  I think Matt Rhule or Joe Brady would be dream candidates but are just simply… not realistic.  Would love to have Rhule though. 

I am just really curious to see if anything happens at all.  I feel like the rest of the season is going to get ugly.  PSU fans are not going to be happy, and Franklin may have all the more reason to want to get out of town.
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Now THIS was an outstanding post.  :thumbup:

When the TV crews started showing Joe Moorhead on the sidelines at Oregon, I was rather taken aback by his hippie transformation, seemingly settling in well to his Eugene surroundings, which is widely regarded as a fungster/bohemian/hippie-haven town.  I commented to my wife that "Old Joe" could double this winter as Santa and his grandkids must love his rapscallion ways. 

And then he had to be hospitalized before the Stanford game and I figured "ah, hell, that old fogie is either in there for Covid or it's a heart attack".....Uh, this guy is only 47!!!!!  He's younger than me!  He looks like he should be piloting "The Red October" or taking photo shoots for a bag of frozen fish sticks.  How the hell is this guy only 47??????

 
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A friend of mine threw a big wrench in my theory that Franklin is leaving PSU.  I was going on and on about how every time Franklin is asked if he is leaving PSU he never definitively denies it.  I was talking about all of the vague answers he has given at press conferences.

My friend looked at me and said “That’s how you know he is staying!”.

It caught me off guard, but then I thought about it.  His theory was, every coach that left a program throughout history has definitively denied they are leaving… before they left.  Best example was Saban when he went to Alabama.  Theory being that if Franklin was leaving PSU, he WOULD be telling everyone he is definitely staying at PSU.  Since the opposite is true he must be staying.

I’ve done a lot of reading about the subject over the past several days.  Read a few message boards.  As always you never know the truth but it is intriguing to me so I’ve been in the rabbit hole for a while now.  The counter argument to why Franklin is staying is interesting as well.

There are a lot of people that think Franklin is essentially using his candidacy with other jobs as a bargaining chip to get the administration to put more money into the program.  Now, I look at Franklin and I feel he is compensated well.  I didn’t even realize how well he is paid with his most recent contract.  But a lot of people keep talking about ‘facilities’ not being up to date.  Others say that coordinator and coach pay is not top tier.  How are we going to retain Mike Yurcich if another program comes calling?

I always find it hard to believe that PSU doesn’t have awesome facilities for the football team and I never know exactly what people are talking about.  One of the examples given was football team housing.  There are rumors that some top recruits visit PSU, see the apartments where the football team stays and don’t commit because they are not nearly as nice as other elite programs (Alabama, tOSU, Clemson, etc.).  Other examples mentioned how a football player spends most of their day at their apartment, the football team gym, and at the player’s cafeteria.  Apparently there is a big gap between PSU and the top programs in all of these areas.

So the theory of those that think Franklin is staying is that he is bargaining with the administration, not for his own pay, but to put even more money into facilities for the football team and increase coordinator / coaching salary.  And I suppose, if they do not agree to do it… maybe he would go somewhere else?  I read an article this past Friday that simply asked the question "Where will Penn State's James Franklin coach next year?"  The article posed this question to 6 different sports writers. 5 of 6 said Franklin will be back at PSU next year.  They all gave pretty solid reasons.  Two said they think his bargaining strategy will work, he will get commitment from the school to invest in the program and will stay.  One said if Franklin leaves for LSU or USC, has a bad season or two, he will be fired and concludes he will stay at PSU because he has much more leeway.  Several think he doesn’t want to let go of this 2022 recruiting class and wants to take one last run at a natty (or at least getting in the playoff) with this class which could lead to a commitment from the school.  The general consensus is, he has a great class coming in, why give that up or put it in jeopardy?  It took a lot of work to put this class together, and it will be a major grind to move, take on the task of putting together a coaching staff and stabilizing a recruiting class at a new school.

So maybe Franklin is a really good actor when it comes to a supposed ‘bluff’ with the administration?  A good enough actor that he fooled me, and maybe others?  Will the administration call his bluff?  If he is a good actor, LA would be a good fit.  The one sports writer that said he thinks Franklin will leave felt he would go to USC because there is a ton of talent in-state in CA for recruiting and “if Franklin wants to be the first African American head coach to win a college football national championship, then USC is the perfect landing spot.”

Franklin did say “there’s a lot of moving parts with all of these things.”  I’ve heard that another one of the “moving parts” could be the PSU administration.  Rumors are that President Eric Barron may be retiring soon.  Other rumors have AD Sandy Barbour considering retirement in the next couple years as well.  If there is turnover in the administration, how could that impact the future and the commitment to the program?  Could a new AD want a fresh start with a new HC?  I will admit that my mind has changed.  I think Franklin will be at PSU next year.  I was happy with how they played against tOSU this weekend but there was never really any point in the game where I thought PSU would win.  And even though a week passed, I still can’t stop thinking about that Illinois game.  I am still intrigued with how this plays out.  I think my theory that he is leaving was wishful thinking after the worst loss I’ve witnessed in the Franklin era.  Still, as I mentioned earlier you never know the truth.  Maybe Franklin will be one of those “moving parts” as well.  Only time will tell.

ETA: a quick google search shows that Eric Barron announced he will retire in 2022 and Sandy Barbour announced she will retire at the end of her contract in 2023.  So, not rumors.  They are based on public statements.

 
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Jutz said:
A friend of mine threw a big wrench in my theory that Franklin is leaving PSU.  I was going on and on about how every time Franklin is asked if he is leaving PSU he never definitively denies it.  I was talking about all of the vague answers he has given at press conferences.

My friend looked at me and said “That’s how you know he is staying!”.

It caught me off guard, but then I thought about it.  His theory was, every coach that left a program throughout history has definitively denied they are leaving… before they left.  Best example was Saban when he went to Alabama.  Theory being that if Franklin was leaving PSU, he WOULD be telling everyone he is definitely staying at PSU.  Since the opposite is true he must be staying.

I’ve done a lot of reading about the subject over the past several days.  Read a few message boards.  As always you never know the truth but it is intriguing to me so I’ve been in the rabbit hole for a while now.  The counter argument to why Franklin is staying is interesting as well.

There are a lot of people that think Franklin is essentially using his candidacy with other jobs as a bargaining chip to get the administration to put more money into the program.  Now, I look at Franklin and I feel he is compensated well.  I didn’t even realize how well he is paid with his most recent contract.  But a lot of people keep talking about ‘facilities’ not being up to date.  Others say that coordinator and coach pay is not top tier.  How are we going to retain Mike Yurcich if another program comes calling?

I always find it hard to believe that PSU doesn’t have awesome facilities for the football team and I never know exactly what people are talking about.  One of the examples given was football team housing.  There are rumors that some top recruits visit PSU, see the apartments where the football team stays and don’t commit because they are not nearly as nice as other elite programs (Alabama, tOSU, Clemson, etc.).  Other examples mentioned how a football player spends most of their day at their apartment, the football team gym, and at the player’s cafeteria.  Apparently there is a big gap between PSU and the top programs in all of these areas.

So the theory of those that think Franklin is staying is that he is bargaining with the administration, not for his own pay, but to put even more money into facilities for the football team and increase coordinator / coaching salary.  And I suppose, if they do not agree to do it… maybe he would go somewhere else?  I read an article this past Friday that simply asked the question "Where will Penn State's James Franklin coach next year?"  The article posed this question to 6 different sports writers. 5 of 6 said Franklin will be back at PSU next year.  They all gave pretty solid reasons.  Two said they think his bargaining strategy will work, he will get commitment from the school to invest in the program and will stay.  One said if Franklin leaves for LSU or USC, has a bad season or two, he will be fired and concludes he will stay at PSU because he has much more leeway.  Several think he doesn’t want to let go of this 2022 recruiting class and wants to take one last run at a natty (or at least getting in the playoff) with this class which could lead to a commitment from the school.  The general consensus is, he has a great class coming in, why give that up or put it in jeopardy?  It took a lot of work to put this class together, and it will be a major grind to move, take on the task of putting together a coaching staff and stabilizing a recruiting class at a new school.

So maybe Franklin is a really good actor when it comes to a supposed ‘bluff’ with the administration?  A good enough actor that he fooled me, and maybe others?  Will the administration call his bluff?  If he is a good actor, LA would be a good fit.  The one sports writer that said he thinks Franklin will leave felt he would go to USC because there is a ton of talent in-state in CA for recruiting and “if Franklin wants to be the first African American head coach to win a college football national championship, then USC is the perfect landing spot.”

Franklin did say “there’s a lot of moving parts with all of these things.”  I’ve heard that another one of the “moving parts” could be the PSU administration.  Rumors are that President Eric Barron may be retiring soon.  Other rumors have AD Sandy Barbour considering retirement in the next couple years as well.  If there is turnover in the administration, how could that impact the future and the commitment to the program?  Could a new AD want a fresh start with a new HC?  I will admit that my mind has changed.  I think Franklin will be at PSU next year.  I was happy with how they played against tOSU this weekend but there was never really any point in the game where I thought PSU would win.  And even though a week passed, I still can’t stop thinking about that Illinois game.  I am still intrigued with how this plays out.  I think my theory that he is leaving was wishful thinking after the worst loss I’ve witnessed in the Franklin era.  Still, as I mentioned earlier you never know the truth.  Maybe Franklin will be one of those “moving parts” as well.  Only time will tell.

ETA: a quick google search shows that Eric Barron announced he will retire in 2022 and Sandy Barbour announced she will retire at the end of her contract in 2023.  So, not rumors.  They are based on public statements.
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I am hearing he is leveraging to get a huge investment into facilities and assistant coaches to turn the program itself into something that can rival an SEC school.

If Clifford didn't get hurt in the Iowa game, we could be talking about the playoffs.  

 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
I am hearing he is leveraging to get a huge investment into facilities and assistant coaches to turn the program itself into something that can rival an SEC school.

If Clifford didn't get hurt in the Iowa game, we could be talking about the playoffs.  
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I think you are correct, with both statements.

I found a link to the Penn State University Athletics Facilities Master Plan when I was looking up info about Sandy Barbour.  I'm thinking he want to make sure this master plan is committed to along with other demands / requests.  Interesting quote from the page "Our success depends on our ability to recruit student-athletes of character, who are highly motivated by academic and athletic achievement. Success breeds success, but we must not fall victim to complacency or arrogance. The climate has changed in recruiting as much as it has in admissions for the general student."

Basically we need to step our game up and, as you said, have facilities that at least compete with the SEC.

 
Tom Servo said:
Did you do anything else this weekend @Jutz? You know, like take a walk, listen to some music, or have the sechs?
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Oh don’t worry about me @Tom Servo .  I had plenty of fun this weekend.  The stuff I wrote about I got mainly from a 247sports PSU message board, during the week, so I could spend time with my family and friends this weekend.  

if you google “PSU football message board” you’ll find it.  It’s interesting stuff.   Just be careful not to fall down the rabbit hole like I did.  You might not make it out!

 
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I think you are correct, with both statements.

I found a link to the Penn State University Athletics Facilities Master Plan when I was looking up info about Sandy Barbour.  I'm thinking he want to make sure this master plan is committed to along with other demands / requests.  Interesting quote from the page "Our success depends on our ability to recruit student-athletes of character, who are highly motivated by academic and athletic achievement. Success breeds success, but we must not fall victim to complacency or arrogance. The climate has changed in recruiting as much as it has in admissions for the general student."

Basically we need to step our game up and, as you said, have facilities that at least compete with the SEC.
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I have heard similar assertions in the past about Franklin's motives whenever his name comes up for vacancies at other schools. I think the school has made upgrades to team facilities, but apparently it still has a long way to go. I just found this ranking of facilities and it doesn't even have PSU in the top 25, much to my surprise.

https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/college-football-recruiting-2021-facilities-Alabama-Clemson-Ohio-State-LSU-Texas-Georgia-Florida-160189814/#160189814_1

 
roarlions said:
I have heard similar assertions in the past about Franklin's motives whenever his name comes up for vacancies at other schools. I think the school has made upgrades to team facilities, but apparently it still has a long way to go. I just found this ranking of facilities and it doesn't even have PSU in the top 25, much to my surprise.

https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/college-football-recruiting-2021-facilities-Alabama-Clemson-Ohio-State-LSU-Texas-Georgia-Florida-160189814/#160189814_1
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Oh

Ehm

Gee

My mind is kind of blow right now.  For several reasons.  To start, I am kind of blown away by some of the schools on this list.  I mean… Arkansas, North Carolina, ILLINOIS!, Kentucky.  Maybe one of the biggest surprises is Northwestern at 8. 

Next, I am blown away with some of the amenities mentioned in the article.  They keep talking about these like, high tech customizable lockers?  From the section on Texas “New player lockers was the best addition in the Big 12 in 2018 with each locker featuring 43-inch monitors with player measurables and highlights costing just over $10,000 (per locker). "New-age" player lockers became a thing five years ago with digital names and likenesses and are a necessity to keep up with others in recruiting.”  Whaaaaaa???  I did not know this was a thing.  And they became a thing 5 years ago!

I’m annoyed when I read the section about Ohio State.  “There's an improved 42,000-square-foot players lounge, a kitchen and nutrition area, a barber shop, a basketball court, a golf simulator, an arcade, a cryotherapy chamber, sleep pods and an illuminated waterfall in a locker room filled with lots of steel and lots of scarlet. Ohio State opened its renovated dining facility inside the WHAC in 2019, highlighted by pool tables, Pop-A-Shot basketball games and film rooms where position groups break down footage from games or practices.”  Like seriously?  I have been completely naïve about these things.  I have been so frustrated over the past several years when it seemed like PSU was in contention for a top recruit and we lose them to Ohio State.  I feel like I know why now.  Julian Flemming anyone!

South Carolina is listed at #5?  That is surprising.  Doesn’t seem like they are getting ROI.  Says they have a recording studio?!?!?!  Oregon at #2 with self-cleaning lockers?  I think one of the schools has a bathroom with TVs?

In all honesty, this kind of gives me perspective.  Like you said, Penn State isn’t even on the list.  Like, at all.  Yes, I am still annoyed that Franklin is not a good coach with X’s and O’s, and time management.  Yes, I am still shocked about the Illinois loss.  Yes, I am annoyed that Penn State always loses that one fluke game each year.  Yes… all of that.  But after reading this article, I feel like James Franklin must be some kind of miracle worker in order to secure commitments from recruits looking at any of the schools on this list.  I could also understand how he may have reached the point where he is like… I’ve done all I can do here.  He’s probably at a crossroads.  Either put the money into the program to, at a minimum, make this list or I’ll go somewhere on this list.  USC barely made the list… but LSU is at 7.  One spot behind tOSU.

And thanks for posting this.  Very eye opening.

 
Jutz said:
Oh

Ehm

Gee

My mind is kind of blow right now.  For several reasons.  To start, I am kind of blown away by some of the schools on this list.  I mean… Arkansas, North Carolina, ILLINOIS!, Kentucky.  Maybe one of the biggest surprises is Northwestern at 8. 

Next, I am blown away with some of the amenities mentioned in the article.  They keep talking about these like, high tech customizable lockers?  From the section on Texas “New player lockers was the best addition in the Big 12 in 2018 with each locker featuring 43-inch monitors with player measurables and highlights costing just over $10,000 (per locker). "New-age" player lockers became a thing five years ago with digital names and likenesses and are a necessity to keep up with others in recruiting.”  Whaaaaaa???  I did not know this was a thing.  And they became a thing 5 years ago!

I’m annoyed when I read the section about Ohio State.  “There's an improved 42,000-square-foot players lounge, a kitchen and nutrition area, a barber shop, a basketball court, a golf simulator, an arcade, a cryotherapy chamber, sleep pods and an illuminated waterfall in a locker room filled with lots of steel and lots of scarlet. Ohio State opened its renovated dining facility inside the WHAC in 2019, highlighted by pool tables, Pop-A-Shot basketball games and film rooms where position groups break down footage from games or practices.”  Like seriously?  I have been completely naïve about these things.  I have been so frustrated over the past several years when it seemed like PSU was in contention for a top recruit and we lose them to Ohio State.  I feel like I know why now.  Julian Flemming anyone!

South Carolina is listed at #5?  That is surprising.  Doesn’t seem like they are getting ROI.  Says they have a recording studio?!?!?!  Oregon at #2 with self-cleaning lockers?  I think one of the schools has a bathroom with TVs?

In all honesty, this kind of gives me perspective.  Like you said, Penn State isn’t even on the list.  Like, at all.  Yes, I am still annoyed that Franklin is not a good coach with X’s and O’s, and time management.  Yes, I am still shocked about the Illinois loss.  Yes, I am annoyed that Penn State always loses that one fluke game each year.  Yes… all of that.  But after reading this article, I feel like James Franklin must be some kind of miracle worker in order to secure commitments from recruits looking at any of the schools on this list.  I could also understand how he may have reached the point where he is like… I’ve done all I can do here.  He’s probably at a crossroads.  Either put the money into the program to, at a minimum, make this list or I’ll go somewhere on this list.  USC barely made the list… but LSU is at 7.  One spot behind tOSU.

And thanks for posting this.  Very eye opening.
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I was seeing he wants $50MM+ invested in upgrades and wants higher pay for assistant coaches, and more of them.

 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
I was seeing he wants $50MM+ invested in upgrades and wants higher pay for assistant coaches, and more of them.
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After reading about the facilities at these other schools I would describe 50MM as a good start.  I don't necessarily think that is an overreach at this point.

Part of me wonders if PSU ever reaches out to alumni football players that made it to the NFL for private donations?  I forget which school it was in the article but I believe it said the facilities were funded using all private money.  I would imagine a majority of the Oregon facilities are funded by Nike guy.  PSU has a huge alumni network.  I would have to think they could drum up some interest somewhere?

 
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Jutz said:
After reading about the facilities at these other schools I would describe 50MM as a good start.  I don't necessarily think that is an overreach at this point.

Part of me wonders if PSU ever reaches out to alumni football players that made it to the NFL for private donations?  I forget which school it was in the article but I believe it said the facilities were funded using all private money.  I would imagine a majority of the Oregon facilities are funded by Nike guy.  PSU has a huge alumni network.  I would have to think they could drum up some interest somewhere?
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I think we can all rattle off 10-15 famous alumni that could pony up the cash.

 
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