Let's talk some Ahman Green (1 Viewer)

[Big Score]

When Davenport was healthy in years past, he was considered a taltented and coveted back up RB.

Yet, he did not cut into Green's productivity. Or at least, not any more than is ever the case given that no RB in the NFL takes 100% of the carries and few get over 70%.

Just as Davenport and Fisher combined did not "cut into" Green's carries in any meaningful way, Morency will not either.

Now, I believe that there are several reasons to have questions about what Green's productivity will be (bad O-line, playing from behind every second half, injury risks), it is just Morency is not one of them.

Let us not forget all the other early reports on Green's demise. You know, "no one ever recovers from teat injury", "he is done", "he will never be the starter".

ookook,As has been pointed out multiple times now, for us to see Green with positive numbers, yet still losing touches to a 3rd down back be it Davenport or Fisher, we have to go back a few years where the make up of the team was far, far, far different than this current one.

Better O'line, better WR's, better D and arguably better QB play.

Greens production with a 3rd down back from 2 to 3 years ago, is not a relevant measuring stick, to what Green's numbers are likely to be with a 3rd down back now. If we try to use Green's numbers from back then and project them for Green now, we will only be fooling ourselves.

Plus if you've read this thread, you would know the concern is not so much Morency cutting into Green's carries (although that will obviously happen) but more Morency cutting into Green's pass catching duties, which given the state of the Packer's current offense, could be a significant dent to Green's potential fanatsy production this year.

 

[mr. furley]

why do you say "obviously"?

 

[Kleck.]

Morency has had some struggles in the past, and still has quite a bit to learn/prove before being the offensive asset many of us are hoping he can be for Green Bay. Untill then, Green remains the primary RB and should still get his 20 touches a game.

For purely selfish fantasy football purposes as an Ahman Green owner, I hope it takes Morency 14 more games to become an offensive asset.

I'm failing to see why this is funny.

:whoosh:

Yes I was :whoosh: by that. Your comment made sense to me, but I wasn't able to pick up on why you added the and the laughing smilie at the top of the post. Are you laughing at Morency being an asset for the team on offense, or at me for thinking Morency has some things to prove before being a solid 3rd down/COP back for Green Bay?I'm just curious is all.

Neither Kleck.I'm laughing at myself for hoping Morency does not become a contributor until week 17.

Gotch ya, thanks. Tough day for me as my head is kind of out of it today and I have too many work related things on my mind... Which I should probably get back to. I'm definitely excited to see what Morency can do since I was rather high on him when he entered the draft and thought he showed some decent talent and potential at OK St. I once thought the same thing about Rod Gardner though.

 

[Big Score]

When Davenport was healthy in years past, he was considered a taltented and coveted back up RB.

Yet, he did not cut into Green's productivity. Or at least, not any more than is ever the case given that no RB in the NFL takes 100% of the carries and few get over 70%.

Just as Davenport and Fisher combined did not "cut into" Green's carries in any meaningful way, Morency will not either.

Now, I believe that there are several reasons to have questions about what Green's productivity will be (bad O-line, playing from behind every second half, injury risks), it is just Morency is not one of them.

Let us not forget all the other early reports on Green's demise. You know, "no one ever recovers from teat injury", "he is done", "he will never be the starter".

Don't forget that Big Score was one of the main supporters of the "Green is done" theory.

but, he did have statistical analysis that no one has ever come back from that injury to be decent again ..............

Yes, I did do the research quad tendon tears and was not overly optimistic on Green's chances of recovery because of it.However, despite a poster saying I was a suppporter of the "Green is done" theory, this is what I posted on Green in his "Player Spotlight";

The Positives

Green just turned 29 (born 02/16/1977)

He is only one season away from a string of four consecutive Pro Bowl years.

Green has had only 5 seasons as the main ball carrier. 3 of those 5 seasons he saw less than 300 carries.

Green has suffered only one major injury (torn quadriceps last year) in his NFL career.

3rd down back pass catching specialist Tony Fisher has moved on, opening the door for Green to return to prominence as a complete 3 down back.

Green's stats.

+--------------------------+-------------------------+ | Rushing | Receiving |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| 1998 sea | 16 | 35 209 6.0 1 | 3 2 0.7 0 || 1999 sea | 14 | 26 120 4.6 0 | 0 0 0.0 0 || 2000 gnb | 16 | 263 1175 4.5 10 | 73 559 7.7 3 || 2001 gnb | 16 | 304 1387 4.6 9 | 62 594 9.6 2 || 2002 gnb | 14 | 286 1240 4.3 7 | 57 393 6.9 2 || 2003 gnb | 16 | 355 1883 5.3 15 | 50 367 7.3 5 || 2004 gnb | 15 | 259 1163 4.5 7 | 40 275 6.9 1 || 2005 gnb | 5 | 77 255 3.3 0 | 19 147 7.7 0 |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| TOTAL | 112 | 1605 7432 4.6 49 | 304 2337 7.7 13 |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+The Negatives

Injured running back Ahman Green got a small surprise in Sunday's practice, as the Packers' medical staff allowed him to take a few handoffs in walkthrough drills.

Still, Green says he's taking "baby steps" in his rehabilitation and likely won't fully participate in the Packers organized team activity sessions next month.

May 04, 2006

Green still is several months away from returning from his torn quadriceps tendon. It’s unlikely he’ll participate in any of the offseason practices, and it’s not even a given he’ll be ready for the start of training camp in late July.

Ahman Green, a four-time Pro Bowler, said during the team's first mini-camp that the medical staff won't clear him to return to the field until the latter part of training camp in August. Green missed the final 10 games of 2005 because of a torn right quadriceps tendon.

The Press Gazette reports Packers HC Mike McCarthy mentioned only one player who won’t attend this weekend's bonus mini-camp, RB Ahman Green, because of a charity commitment. Green is recovering from a torn quadriceps tendon and won’t be ready to practice until late August anyway.

If the quadriceps or patellar tendon is completely ruptured, a surgeon will reattach the ends. After surgery, the patient will wear a cast for 3 to 6 weeks and use crutches.....A partial or complete tear of a tendon requires an exercise program as part of rehabilitation that is similar to but less vigorous than that prescribed for ligament injuries. The goals of exercise are to restore the ability to bend and straighten the knee and to strengthen the leg to prevent a repeat injury. A rehabilitation program may last 6 months, although the patient can return to many activities before then.

pediatrics.about.com

Most patients can return to their previous occupations, but many cannot return to their preinjury activity level.

In a large study, Konrath and associates found that 83% of patients returned to their previous occupations, 51% were unable to return to their preinjury activity levels, and 53% had persistent quadriceps strength deficits (>20% compared with the uninjured leg).

Quadriceps Tendon Rupture - PrognosisGoing by the above reports, on when Green will be able to fully participate in Team activities, June, July & August are all shown as possible return dates.

Whatever the actual return date, one thing we know for certain, the quadriceps tendon tear is a serious injury. The odds of a person returning to 100% preinjury capability are less than 50%.

The one year contract Green recently signed with Green Bay, was set up to allow for him to be cut with minimal cap repercussions.

Until we see how Green returns from this injury, any player evaluation at this time, is simply an exercise in futility.

 

[wannabee]

When Davenport was healthy in years past, he was considered a taltented and coveted back up RB.

Yet, he did not cut into Green's productivity. Or at least, not any more than is ever the case given that no RB in the NFL takes 100% of the carries and few get over 70%.

Just as Davenport and Fisher combined did not "cut into" Green's carries in any meaningful way, Morency will not either.

Now, I believe that there are several reasons to have questions about what Green's productivity will be (bad O-line, playing from behind every second half, injury risks), it is just Morency is not one of them.

Let us not forget all the other early reports on Green's demise. You know, "no one ever recovers from teat injury", "he is done", "he will never be the starter".

Don't forget that Big Score was one of the main supporters of the "Green is done" theory.

but, he did have statistical analysis that no one has ever come back from that injury to be decent again ..............

Yes, I did do the research quad tendon tears and was not overly optimistic on Green's chances of recovery because of it.

However, despite a poster saying I was a suppporter of the "Green is done" theory, this is what I posted on Green in his "Player Spotlight";

The Positives

Green just turned 29 (born 02/16/1977)

He is only one season away from a string of four consecutive Pro Bowl years.

Green has had only 5 seasons as the main ball carrier. 3 of those 5 seasons he saw less than 300 carries.

Green has suffered only one major injury (torn quadriceps last year) in his NFL career.

3rd down back pass catching specialist Tony Fisher has moved on, opening the door for Green to return to prominence as a complete 3 down back.

Green's stats.

+--------------------------+-------------------------+ | Rushing | Receiving |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| 1998 sea | 16 | 35 209 6.0 1 | 3 2 0.7 0 || 1999 sea | 14 | 26 120 4.6 0 | 0 0 0.0 0 || 2000 gnb | 16 | 263 1175 4.5 10 | 73 559 7.7 3 || 2001 gnb | 16 | 304 1387 4.6 9 | 62 594 9.6 2 || 2002 gnb | 14 | 286 1240 4.3 7 | 57 393 6.9 2 || 2003 gnb | 16 | 355 1883 5.3 15 | 50 367 7.3 5 || 2004 gnb | 15 | 259 1163 4.5 7 | 40 275 6.9 1 || 2005 gnb | 5 | 77 255 3.3 0 | 19 147 7.7 0 |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| TOTAL | 112 | 1605 7432 4.6 49 | 304 2337 7.7 13 |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+The Negatives

Injured running back Ahman Green got a small surprise in Sunday's practice, as the Packers' medical staff allowed him to take a few handoffs in walkthrough drills.Still, Green says he's taking "baby steps" in his rehabilitation and likely won't fully participate in the Packers organized team activity sessions next month.

May 04, 2006Green still is several months away from returning from his torn quadriceps tendon. It’s unlikely he’ll participate in any of the offseason practices, and it’s not even a given he’ll be ready for the start of training camp in late July.

Ahman Green, a four-time Pro Bowler, said during the team's first mini-camp that the medical staff won't clear him to return to the field until the latter part of training camp in August. Green missed the final 10 games of 2005 because of a torn right quadriceps tendon.

The Press Gazette reports Packers HC Mike McCarthy mentioned only one player who won’t attend this weekend's bonus mini-camp, RB Ahman Green, because of a charity commitment. Green is recovering from a torn quadriceps tendon and won’t be ready to practice until late August anyway.

If the quadriceps or patellar tendon is completely ruptured, a surgeon will reattach the ends. After surgery, the patient will wear a cast for 3 to 6 weeks and use crutches.....A partial or complete tear of a tendon requires an exercise program as part of rehabilitation that is similar to but less vigorous than that prescribed for ligament injuries. The goals of exercise are to restore the ability to bend and straighten the knee and to strengthen the leg to prevent a repeat injury. A rehabilitation program may last 6 months, although the patient can return to many activities before then.

pediatrics.about.com

Most patients can return to their previous occupations, but many cannot return to their preinjury activity level.In a large study, Konrath and associates found that 83% of patients returned to their previous occupations, 51% were unable to return to their preinjury activity levels, and 53% had persistent quadriceps strength deficits (>20% compared with the uninjured leg).

Quadriceps Tendon Rupture - PrognosisGoing by the above reports, on when Green will be able to fully participate in Team activities, June, July & August are all shown as possible return dates.

Whatever the actual return date, one thing we know for certain, the quadriceps tendon tear is a serious injury. The odds of a person returning to 100% preinjury capability are less than 50%.

The one year contract Green recently signed with Green Bay, was set up to allow for him to be cut with minimal cap repercussions.

Until we see how Green returns from this injury, any player evaluation at this time, is simply an exercise in futility.

but, you posted the same analysis with harsher judgement in other threads.

 

[SickThing]

When Davenport was healthy in years past, he was considered a taltented and coveted back up RB.

Yet, he did not cut into Green's productivity. Or at least, not any more than is ever the case given that no RB in the NFL takes 100% of the carries and few get over 70%.

Just as Davenport and Fisher combined did not "cut into" Green's carries in any meaningful way, Morency will not either.

Now, I believe that there are several reasons to have questions about what Green's productivity will be (bad O-line, playing from behind every second half, injury risks), it is just Morency is not one of them.

Let us not forget all the other early reports on Green's demise. You know, "no one ever recovers from teat injury", "he is done", "he will never be the starter".

ookook,As has been pointed out multiple times now, for us to see Green with positive numbers, yet still losing touches to a 3rd down back be it Davenport or Fisher, we have to go back a few years where the make up of the team was far, far, far different than this current one.

Better O'line, better WR's, better D and arguably better QB play.

Greens production with a 3rd down back from 2 to 3 years ago, is not a relevant measuring stick, to what Green's numbers are likely to be with a 3rd down back now. If we try to use Green's numbers from back then and project them for Green now, we will only be fooling ourselves.

Plus if you've read this thread, you would know the concern is not so much Morency cutting into Green's carries (although that will obviously happen) but more Morency cutting into Green's pass catching duties, which given the state of the Packer's current offense, could be a significant dent to Green's potential fanatsy production this year.

You talk about selective quoting, but then follow with your own deceptive statement like "as has been pointed out multiple times" without mentioning that you are the only one in the whole thread making these assumptions and everyone else seems to disagree. I'm another one of them. I too just don't see any scenario other than injury hurting the probability that Ahman outperforms his ADP as a #3 RB.

 

[Big Score]

why do you say "obviously"?

Well, he's a RB and he's on the Packer's team. It's obvious to me, that barring injury, Morency will get at least one carry between now & week 17.

Do you think he doesn't get any carries between now & week 17?

 

[Big Score]

When Davenport was healthy in years past, he was considered a taltented and coveted back up RB.

Yet, he did not cut into Green's productivity. Or at least, not any more than is ever the case given that no RB in the NFL takes 100% of the carries and few get over 70%.

Just as Davenport and Fisher combined did not "cut into" Green's carries in any meaningful way, Morency will not either.

Now, I believe that there are several reasons to have questions about what Green's productivity will be (bad O-line, playing from behind every second half, injury risks), it is just Morency is not one of them.

Let us not forget all the other early reports on Green's demise. You know, "no one ever recovers from teat injury", "he is done", "he will never be the starter".

ookook,As has been pointed out multiple times now, for us to see Green with positive numbers, yet still losing touches to a 3rd down back be it Davenport or Fisher, we have to go back a few years where the make up of the team was far, far, far different than this current one.

Better O'line, better WR's, better D and arguably better QB play.

Greens production with a 3rd down back from 2 to 3 years ago, is not a relevant measuring stick, to what Green's numbers are likely to be with a 3rd down back now. If we try to use Green's numbers from back then and project them for Green now, we will only be fooling ourselves.

Plus if you've read this thread, you would know the concern is not so much Morency cutting into Green's carries (although that will obviously happen) but more Morency cutting into Green's pass catching duties, which given the state of the Packer's current offense, could be a significant dent to Green's potential fanatsy production this year.

You talk about selective quoting, but then follow with your own deceptive statement like "as has been pointed out multiple times" without mentioning that you are the only one in the whole thread making these assumptions and everyone else seems to disagree. I'm another one of them. I too just don't see any scenario other than injury hurting the probability that Ahman outperforms his ADP as a #3 RB.

No, I said selective editing & then quoting.Also I am not the only one who understands the difference between the Packers of 2006, compared to the Packers of 2003 & 2004 and they are not assumptions.

I don't think anyone here is projecting numbers for Green based on 2-3 years ago. However, Green lost touches to Fisher and Davenport and now he may lose some to Morency based on a comment that Morency would take "some" of the load off of Green. That may freak you out but it doesn't concern me. Green will still get his touches and be a great value for those that drafted him considering his ADP.

I would say the 2005 Packers, far more closely resembles the 2006 Packers, than any of the previous years. For a more valid comparison, look at the 4 games Green played in last year for the effect other backs had in diluting his carries & receptions.

Week 1 2005

Green had 12 carries & 5 recpts (Less than 20 total touches)

Davenport had 3 carries

Fisher had 4 recpts

Week 2 2005

Green had 16 carries & 5 recpts (Only 21 total touches)

Davenport had 8 carries

Fisher had 2 carries & 1 recpts

Henderson had 5 recpts

Week 3 2005

Green had 19 carries & 3 recpts (Only 22 total touches)

Davenport had 3 carries

Henderson had 1 carry & 2 recpts

Week 4 2005

Green had 14 carries & 4 recpts (Less than 20 total touches)

Davenport had 4 carries & 1 recpt

Henderson had 2 recpts

Over those 4 games that Green played in 2005, he saw less than 20 total touches TWICE & barely over 20 the other two times.

How anyone can say that Green losing those touches to the other RB's had no effect on his numbers, simply doesn't know what they're talking about and they're using a fla\/\/ed argument.

So SickThing, you don't reallllyyyy think this years Packer's, are as good as those Packer's from 2003 / 2004, do you?

 

[mr. furley]

why do you say "obviously"?

Well, he's a RB and he's on the Packer's team. It's obvious to me, that barring injury, Morency will get at least one carry between now & week 17.

Do you think he doesn't get any carries between now & week 17?

yes, i think he will get one carry.

FWIW - they seem to like Herron as the #2. they had Gado on KR's. when he failed at that they swapped him out for an RB who had some experience in a similar system that would/could be a little more dynamic returning kicks.

that's where i see Morency's worth this year.

again.. i could be way off base.

 

[Big Score]

why do you say "obviously"?

Well, he's a RB and he's on the Packer's team. It's obvious to me, that barring injury, Morency will get at least one carry between now & week 17.

Do you think he doesn't get any carries between now & week 17?

yes, i think he will get one carry.

FWIW - they seem to like Herron as the #2. they had Gado on KR's. when he failed at that they swapped him out for an RB who had some experience in a similar system that would/could be a little more dynamic returning kicks.

that's where i see Morency's worth this year.

again.. i could be way off base.

I don't see Herron as much of a threat to Green, because when Gado was still with the Team in week 1, he was the other back getting the carries and most of the recpts, not Herron.So I do hope you're right furley & Morency only sees the field as the KR

 

[mr. furley]

all the talk re: Gado in the pre-season was "he's just not picking up the offense.. he doesn't seem a good fit... he's having trouble with the playbook"

and all the talk of Herron was positives.

coming out of the pre-season i was baffled that Gado hadn't been waived.



imo, they figured, worst-case scenario, they had a KR in Gado and a guy that could hopefully develop and be the backup to Green. when he was outplayed by Herron and then failed as a KR in the opener.... that opened the door to moving him.

 

[packersfan]

FWIW - they seem to like Herron as the #2. they had Gado on KR's. when he failed at that they swapped him out for an RB who had some experience in a similar system that would/could be a little more dynamic returning kicks.that's where i see Morency's worth this year.

Depending on how quickly he picks things up I expect Morency to become the backup RB and the third-down RB with Herron falling to No. 3 on the depth chart. I'm not getting the fascination with Herron. He is extremely ordinary in my opinion as a RB.Edited to add, early reports after the game indicated Morency could see action next week at Detroit in the third-down role.

 

[Big Score]

but, you posted the same analysis with harsher judgement in other threads.

Absolutely wannabee. At first, I had more of a wait & see attitude with Green.

Green is supposed to be healthy & participating around late July.

If he's not by then, OK, then there's a concern with him.

Right now, it's just a wait and see time.

However, as time went on and Green's return kept getting pushed back, I certainly became more negative on his chances.I'm glad that to see that Green has bucked the odds & proven me wrong

 

[mr. furley]

FWIW - they seem to like Herron as the #2. they had Gado on KR's. when he failed at that they swapped him out for an RB who had some experience in a similar system that would/could be a little more dynamic returning kicks.that's where i see Morency's worth this year.

Depending on how quickly he picks things up I expect Morency to become the backup RB and the third-down RB with Herron falling to No. 3 on the depth chart. I'm not getting the fascination with Herron. He is extremely ordinary in my opinion as a RB.Edited to add, early reports after the game indicated Morency could see action next week at Detroit in the third-down role.

i don't see it with Herron either. he looks pretty pedestrian.

 

[packersfan]

FWIW - they seem to like Herron as the #2. they had Gado on KR's. when he failed at that they swapped him out for an RB who had some experience in a similar system that would/could be a little more dynamic returning kicks.that's where i see Morency's worth this year.

Depending on how quickly he picks things up I expect Morency to become the backup RB and the third-down RB with Herron falling to No. 3 on the depth chart. I'm not getting the fascination with Herron. He is extremely ordinary in my opinion as a RB.Edited to add, early reports after the game indicated Morency could see action next week at Detroit in the third-down role.

i don't see it with Herron either. he looks pretty pedestrian.

Yup. Then again, he did outscore Cadillac Williams in my league this week so ...

 

[Big Score]

all the talk re: Gado in the pre-season was "he's just not picking up the offense.. he doesn't seem a good fit... he's having trouble with the playbook"

and all the talk of Herron was positives.

coming out of the pre-season i was baffled that Gado hadn't been waived.



imo, they figured, worst-case scenario, they had a KR in Gado and a guy that could hopefully develop and be the backup to Green. when he was outplayed by Herron and then failed as a KR in the opener.... that opened the door to moving him.

The whole "Gado is not picking up the offense" shtick was pushed pretty hot & heavy here by a few board members. What is forgotten, is that this happened back in Mini Camp & the Pack's OTA's.What did not get anywhere near as much play on these boards, is what was said about Gado by the Packer's staff come Training Camp.

Training Camp Report:

by Mike Spofford, Packers.com

posted 08/01/2006

Much was made during mini-camps and the organized team activities of Gado's struggles to adapt to the new zone-blocking scheme, but he has looked much smoother and more decisive when his number has been called thus far in camp.

With Ahman Green still recovering from a torn quadriceps tendon, Gado has been working with the No. 1 offense the last couple of days and doing what's expected.

"I think Samkon, the way he runs the football, he's a guy you're going to see be more productive when he puts the pads on," McCarthy said. "He's not a slithery ... he's more of a power runner. I've been very pleased with him once we got into the padded work."

Gado confessed he probably makes the scheme more complicated than it needs to be, but he is letting his natural football instincts dictate his play more and it's helping him.

"I still think I have a long ways to go, but I'm encouraged with the growth I've seen so far," Gado said. "The thing that needs to be done is just to turn your brain off and just play. That's where I think the progress begins, not so much thinking. That's what I was doing before, thinking, and you can't do that out there."

www.packers.comThere is a bit of an anti Gado agenda here at FBG's by some of the board members. If you can identify who those posters are and filter their posts, you'll end up with a much more objective read on Gado.

It's the same with all players really. For whatever reason I see people develope an irrational dislike for a certain player.

Just yesterady I saw a "Troy Williamson Sucks" thread.

There are some diehard anti Gore posters here too.

Two years ago there was a poster here who had Tatum Bell and before the season started, proclaimed long & loud that Bell as the stone cold lead pipe lock to be the Broncos undisputed starting RB and became downright belligerent and insulting if you disagreed with him.

The list goes on and on.

Like I said, the trick is to figure out who actually knows what they're talking about and are trying to make unbiased & informative posts as opposed to those who are pushing their own agenda...for whatever reason

Somtimes easier said, than done.

 

[Big Score]

FWIW - they seem to like Herron as the #2. they had Gado on KR's. when he failed at that they swapped him out for an RB who had some experience in a similar system that would/could be a little more dynamic returning kicks.that's where i see Morency's worth this year.

Depending on how quickly he picks things up I expect Morency to become the backup RB and the third-down RB with Herron falling to No. 3 on the depth chart. I'm not getting the fascination with Herron. He is extremely ordinary in my opinion as a RB.Edited to add, early reports after the game indicated Morency could see action next week at Detroit in the third-down role.

I don't see it with Herron either. he looks pretty pedestrian.

Wait a minute furley, don't reverse yourself this easily. You had me all hyped that Morency would only see the field as a KR, with Herron as Green's only threat to siphon carries / pass recpts.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

all the talk re: Gado in the pre-season was "he's just not picking up the offense.. he doesn't seem a good fit... he's having trouble with the playbook"

and all the talk of Herron was positives.

coming out of the pre-season i was baffled that Gado hadn't been waived.



imo, they figured, worst-case scenario, they had a KR in Gado and a guy that could hopefully develop and be the backup to Green. when he was outplayed by Herron and then failed as a KR in the opener.... that opened the door to moving him.

The whole "Gado is not picking up the offense" shtick was pushed pretty hot & heavy here by a few board members. What is forgotten, is that this happened back in Mini Camp & the Pack's OTA's.What did not get anywhere near as much play on these boards, is what was said about Gado by the Packer's staff come Training Camp.

Training Camp Report:

by Mike Spofford, Packers.com

posted 08/01/2006

Much was made during mini-camps and the organized team activities of Gado's struggles to adapt to the new zone-blocking scheme, but he has looked much smoother and more decisive when his number has been called thus far in camp.

With Ahman Green still recovering from a torn quadriceps tendon, Gado has been working with the No. 1 offense the last couple of days and doing what's expected.

"I think Samkon, the way he runs the football, he's a guy you're going to see be more productive when he puts the pads on," McCarthy said. "He's not a slithery ... he's more of a power runner. I've been very pleased with him once we got into the padded work."

Gado confessed he probably makes the scheme more complicated than it needs to be, but he is letting his natural football instincts dictate his play more and it's helping him.

"I still think I have a long ways to go, but I'm encouraged with the growth I've seen so far," Gado said. "The thing that needs to be done is just to turn your brain off and just play. That's where I think the progress begins, not so much thinking. That's what I was doing before, thinking, and you can't do that out there."

www.packers.comLike I said, the trick is to figure out who actually knows what they're talking about and are trying to make unbiased & informative posts as opposed to those who are pushing their own agenda...for whatever reason

Somtimes easier said, than done.

Like the unbiased posts we get by Big Score on Ahman Green, Samkon Gado, and Brett Favre.

 

[wannabee]

but, you posted the same analysis with harsher judgement in other threads.

Absolutely wannabee. At first, I had more of a wait & see attitude with Green.

Green is supposed to be healthy & participating around late July.

If he's not by then, OK, then there's a concern with him.

Right now, it's just a wait and see time.

However, as time went on and Green's return kept getting pushed back, I certainly became more negative on his chances.I'm glad that to see that Green has bucked the odds & proven me wrong

my point was that you referenced what you said in the "official Green" thread, then you were much more harsh and pessimistic about Green. Green's comeback was not pushed back as much as the grief you were giving him on trhis board. You were even bashing him after he came back in preseason while others were saying "wait and see". I applaud you for taking a strong stand, but I think the time now to say without an qualification or caveat that Green has proven you ... and many others ... wrong, and move on. The more you continue this out, the more it looks like you have an agenda and that you are looking for reasons to bash Green.

 

[Big Score]

my point was that you referenced what you said in the "official Green" thread, then you were much more harsh and pessimistic about Green. Green's comeback was not pushed back as much as the grief you were giving him on trhis board.

Once again, no doubt about that wannabee.

As Green's timetable to return began to be pushed back I CERTAINLY, ABSOLUTELY & POSITIVELY became more pessimistic on his outlook and most definitely said so...

...Of course, I felt the same way about Dom Davis too.

You were even bashing him after he came back in preseason while others were saying "wait and see".

That is simply not true wannabee.

I think the time now to say without an qualification or caveat that Green has proven you ... and many others ... wrong, and move on.

Uhhhh....What exactly am I saying here wannabee?

I'm glad that to see that Green has bucked the odds & proven me wrong

The more you continue this out, the more it looks like you have an agenda and that you are looking for reasons to bash Green.

Not sure I understand you here wannabee? Are you trying to say the possibility of Green being pulled on obvious passing passing downs / 3rd downs, is not a valid concern?

Just out of curiosity wannabe, is packersfan also bashing Green here?

"Depending on how quickly he picks things up I expect Morency to become the backup RB and the third-down RB with Herron falling to No. 3 on the depth chart. I'm not getting the fascination with Herron. He is extremely ordinary in my opinion as a RB.

Edited to add, early reports after the game indicated Morency could see action next week at Detroit in the third-down role."

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

i wouldn't count on him as my #2 but as a #3 he should be okay week in and week out.

Only if he remains the everydown back, otherwise

the only way he doesn't remain the every down back is if he gets hurt.

as for Herron or Morency taking over the job. no.

one of them becoming the "3rd down back"? sure.

You've lost me.

Who said anything about Herron or Morency taking over the job?

How is a RB, an everydown back, if there's a specific 3rd down / pass catching back coming in on those downs?

If you watched the Pack's last two games, you would've seen that they're involved in a LOT of pass catching downs and 3rd & longs. Even if you didn't watch the games, just look at the Play-by-Plays that are in this thread.

Given the state of the Packer's, I don't see that changing much.

IF Green loses touches on those pass catching downs and 3rd & longs (like the Packer's Head Coach & General Manager say he will), Green is going to be vitually useless for fantasy purposes. Sure he may have the occasional big game, but you'll be throwing darts trying to figure out when.

As was stating before, Green's value will not be hurt to make him "virtually useless for fantasy purposes".

Morency may see a few touches but so did Davenport and Tony Fisher in prior seasons. They didn't make Green worthless.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

He isnt going to lose carries unless he gets hurt. I dont know why people love to panic on these boards about #### like that.

Maybe it's because that's what the Head Coach & General Manager of the Packer's, are saying is going to happen?

By TOM SILVERSTEIN

tsilverstein@journalsentinel.com

Posted: Sept. 13, 2006

The Packers are giving up on the athletically gifted Gado because they feel they need someone who can take some of the load off starter Ahman Green. Because neither Gado nor backup Noah Herron is quick enough to excel as a pass catcher, Morency, a third-round pick of the Texans in 2005, should be able to take on some of the load on passing downs.

"He's going to help us on third down," coach Mike McCarthy said. "He's OK (as a blocker). He's a shifty, make-you-miss kind of guy. He's good on check downs and things like that."

Green played almost the entire game against Chicago on Sunday, and while he came out of it healthy, McCarthy began to worry that kind of workload would be too much for him over the course of the season. General manager Ted Thompson had been speaking with the Texans for several weeks about Morency, 26, and finally sealed the deal Wednesday.

"We'll have to see how that works out," Thompson said. "He has the ability to catch the ball out of the backfield, has done some kickoff return - very little in the NFL. We'll see how that goes, but for now we just felt he was a good fit with our present backs."

You're a good guy and all Koya, but I tend to put a little more stock in what people have to say who are actually on the Packers and are the teams decision makers, than I do a poster on a fantasy football message board. No offense intended.

Maybe you should put some stock in what people here have to say about Green.

 

[mr. furley]

FWIW - they seem to like Herron as the #2. they had Gado on KR's. when he failed at that they swapped him out for an RB who had some experience in a similar system that would/could be a little more dynamic returning kicks.that's where i see Morency's worth this year.

Depending on how quickly he picks things up I expect Morency to become the backup RB and the third-down RB with Herron falling to No. 3 on the depth chart. I'm not getting the fascination with Herron. He is extremely ordinary in my opinion as a RB.Edited to add, early reports after the game indicated Morency could see action next week at Detroit in the third-down role.

I don't see it with Herron either. he looks pretty pedestrian.

Wait a minute furley, don't reverse yourself this easily. You had me all hyped that Morency would only see the field as a KR, with Herron as Green's only threat to siphon carries / pass recpts.

just cause Herron looks pedestrian to me doesn't mean the coaching staff doesn't like him.

 

[Koya]

Of course, Ahman was on my bench and I need to pray for Joe Horn to be Hollywood tonight because of that, but Green looked very good last night. He is not the same back as a few years back, but I havent seen him look "this close" in a long time.