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Liberal Intolerance (1 Viewer)

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I've come across some good reading the last couple of days regarding liberal intolerance and how the authors believe it has impacted our current state of affairs. I've ascribed to much of what these authors are saying for a while but it's nice to see some introspection on the left. I don't believe this is the whole ball of wax explaining the Trump presidency but I think it's impact has been extremely significant.

It seems to me that sometime after GWB was elected to a second term the left decided shift course. The new strategy was going to be ridicule (Alinsky tactics). People on the right, i.e. conservatives, were ignorant, redneck, xenophobic, homophobic, racist, Nascar watching, obese, inbreds and didn't even deserve a seat at the table. They deserved nothing but mockery and should be treated with nothing but contempt.

Jon Stewart was the leader of the movement and throughout this time a group parrots arose in media, Hollywood, punditry and trickled down to normal people who took to Facebook, Twitter, message boards, Reddit, real life etc... and mimicked what they were seeing. The left convinced themselves they were intellectually superior and openly ridiculed anyone right-leaning including friends and family.... but the right didn't find it funny. People on the right were being bullied, marginalized and major resentment was brewing.

The cool kids, backed by the media, academia & Hollywood have been bullying, mocking and ridiculing a group of people, who comprise roughly half of the electorate, over their sincere concerns and beliefs for over a decade. Trump enters the picture, and he's the biggest bully of them all and large swath (45% of republicans, if you're going by primary results) can't get enough. Finally they have someone on their side who is capable of standing up to the bullies and those people get him nominated. Most of the rest of the right coalesced behind Trump in the general, not because they agreed with some of the crazier things he has said, but because they don't take a lot of what he says literally (and they hated HRC)... and there you have it.

Consider that republicans dominated all the mid-term elections since Obama took office but Obama wins handily when he runs for election. Why? It's the same reason why Obama has something like a 55% approval rating but only 30% of Americans believe our country is headed in the right direction. PEOPLE LIKE OBAMA. That's it. So Obama's incredible likability has provided cover for all the nastiness that has become the left. This cover caused the left to miss the fact that they were undermining their own cause to such a degree it made it possible for someone like Trump to get elected. This election is not the first evidence of this effect. I believe it played hugely in the republicans gaining control of both houses of congress and the current dominance by republicans in state governments. 

Recommended reading:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/08/opinion/sunday/a-confession-of-liberal-intolerance.html?_r=0

http://www.vox.com/2016/4/21/11451378/smug-american-liberalism

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/commentary-the-unbearable-smugness-of-the-press-presidential-election-2016/

 
People on the right, i.e. conservatives, were ignorant, redneck, xenophobic, homophobic, racist, Nascar watching, obese, inbreds and didn't even deserve a seat at the table. They deserved nothing but mockery and should be treated with nothing but contempt.




 
Geez you guys are the Right are a thin-skinned bunch. For a group that has the levers of power, a dominant cultural hegemony, and all ####### money, you are a really insecure lot. 

 
Geez you guys are the Right are a thin-skinned bunch. For a group that has the levers of power, a dominant cultural hegemony, and all ####### money, you are a really insecure lot. 
Well soon they won't have Obama to complain about, that has to really hurt.

 
I may catch flack for this, but as a liberal, there's things I don't understand socially. I don't understand why some on the right (not all), care about who someone marries. That has zero effect on my day to day life, that it isn't worth worrying about or fighting for. And I say that as a Catholic.

The same goes for ridiculing people for being a different religion. Who cares? This country was founded on religious freedom. If someone wants to practice a different religion then me, by all means go for it. I don't look differently at people because they practice Judaism or Atheism or are Methodist or Hindu or Muslim, etc. Again, that has no issue or my day to day life, so why does it matter?

I'm very liberal when it comes to social issues. I believe that all people should be treated the same no matter their gender, religion, race, who they marry, or what gender they want to be. So in a sense, yes, I'm intolerant of people who want to treat people differently because they don't look or believe in things like they do. Being tolerant of others is an important issue to me.

 
I think ignorant, redneck, xenophobic, homophobic, racist, Nascar watching, obese, inbreds are definitely deserving of mockery mainly because its pretty despicable to deny people rights such as marriage and abortion, but I wouldn't seriously suggest they not have a seat at the table.  

 
So I get it the Jews needed to be more tolerant to the Nazis and that would have prevented the holocaust.  

So granting american gays the SAME marriage rights as heterosexual couples is being bigoted against heterosexuals  - got it.

So granting american muslims the SAME rights as other religions in this country as it relates to immigration and other issues is indeed bigoted - I got it.

So groping women and walking into women's changing rooms while they are dressing is fine  because you OWN the pageant and anyone who says you can't is just being a bigot . - got it.

Enjoy your trump presidency.

 
I may catch flack for this, but as a liberal, there's things I don't understand socially. I don't understand why some on the right (not all), care about who someone marries. That has zero effect on my day to day life, that it isn't worth worrying about or fighting for. And I say that as a Catholic.

The same goes for ridiculing people for being a different religion. Who cares? This country was founded on religious freedom. If someone wants to practice a different religion then me, by all means go for it. I don't look differently at people because they practice Judaism or Atheism or are Methodist or Hindu or Muslim, etc. Again, that has no issue or my day to day life, so why does it matter?

I'm very liberal when it comes to social issues. I believe that all people should be treated the same no matter their gender, religion, race, who they marry, or what gender they want to be. So in a sense, yes, I'm intolerant of people who want to treat people differently because they don't look or believe in things like they do. Being tolerant of others is an important issue to me.
Agree with this but as soon as someone goes into their redneck, mouth breathers, hillbilly Schtick treatment of those on the other side they are just as bad as the person they are intolerant of. 

 
So I get it the Jews needed to be more tolerant to the Nazis and that would have prevented the holocaust.  

So granting american gays the SAME marriage rights as heterosexual couples is being bigoted against heterosexuals  - got it.

So granting american muslims the SAME rights as other religions in this country as it relates to immigration and other issues is indeed bigoted - I got it.

So groping women and walking into women's changing rooms while they are dressing is fine  because you OWN the pageant and anyone who says you can't is just being a bigot . - got it.

Enjoy your trump presidency.
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

 
This thread is a good example of the OP. Not sure I remember any time in this election hearing about the Republicans removing the rights for same sex couples to marry or trying to make abortions illegal. 

Guess what, even with the White House, Senate and Congress, it won't come up. 

 
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There's only two things I hate in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's cultures, and the Dutch.

 
Geez you guys are the Right are a thin-skinned bunch. For a group that has the levers of power, a dominant cultural hegemony, and all ####### money, you are a really insecure lot. 
Peoples heads are exploding because they can't fathom how someone like Trump gets elected. I'm just giving you guys my theory. Take it or leave it.  I did not vote for Trump.

 
Geez you guys are the Right are a thin-skinned bunch. For a group that has the levers of power, a dominant cultural hegemony, and all ####### money, you are a really insecure lot. 
We'll see how thin-skinned you are when I tell you that the first sentence of your post doesn't make any sense!

 
I think ignorant, redneck, xenophobic, homophobic, racist, Nascar watching, obese, inbreds are definitely deserving of mockery mainly because its pretty despicable to deny people rights such as marriage and abortion, but I wouldn't seriously suggest they not have a seat at the table.  
And that is where I have a problem.  I could care less who gets married, but I STRONGLY disagree with the left's position on abortion.  I was willing to forgo it with a candidate who I agreed with on other issues (Bernie Sanders) and even contributed to their campaign, but when Hillary came who I didn't agree with/nor could stand I was unwilling to go over.

The fact you mock me, or others, because of that is one reason why there will always be divide.

 
I may catch flack for this, but as a liberal, there's things I don't understand socially. I don't understand why some on the right (not all), care about who someone marries. That has zero effect on my day to day life, that it isn't worth worrying about or fighting for. And I say that as a Catholic.

The same goes for ridiculing people for being a different religion. Who cares? This country was founded on religious freedom. If someone wants to practice a different religion then me, by all means go for it. I don't look differently at people because they practice Judaism or Atheism or are Methodist or Hindu or Muslim, etc. Again, that has no issue or my day to day life, so why does it matter?

I'm very liberal when it comes to social issues. I believe that all people should be treated the same no matter their gender, religion, race, who they marry, or what gender they want to be. So in a sense, yes, I'm intolerant of people who want to treat people differently because they don't look or believe in things like they do. Being tolerant of others is an important issue to me.
How do you feel evangelicals are regarded by the left?

 
Peoples heads are exploding because they can't fathom how someone like Trump gets elected. I'm just giving you guys my theory. Take it or leave it.  I did not vote for Trump.
No they are not, it is well know that most Americans are simply not that smart.   If you need an example of proof, simply look at our presidential candidates. 

 
This thread is a good example of the OP. Not sure I remember any time in this election hearing about the Republicans removing the rights for same sex couples to marry or trying to make abortions illegal. 

Guess what, even with the White Hoise, Senate and Congress, it won't come up. 
Trump has already said that he would "strongly consider" nominating Justices who would get rid of gay marriage.

http://www.foxnews.com/transcript/2016/01/31/ted-cruz-attacks-donald-trump-financial-record-trump-responds/

He also said, "they can trust me on traditional marriage... that was a shocking decision for you and for me and for a lot of other people, but I was very much in favor of letting the states decide... all of a sudden out of nowhere came this very massive decision and they took it away. But I was always in favor of state’s rights."

http://www1.cbn.com/thebrodyfile/archive/2016/02/18/brody-file-exclusive-donald-trump-tells-evangelicals-they-can-trust

VP Pence is historically anti-gay rights, I shouldn't even need to go into details here.

The Republican Party has "traditional marriage" built into their platform. They "do not accept the Supreme Court’s redefinition of marriage and we urge its reversal...."

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/07/18/republicans-adopt-conservative-platform-modern-history/

Everyone involved is anti-gay marriage.

 
I think ignorant, redneck, xenophobic, homophobic, racist, Nascar watching, obese, inbreds are definitely deserving of mockery mainly because its pretty despicable to deny people rights such as marriage and abortion, but I wouldn't seriously suggest they not have a seat at the table.  
That's kind of the point though... republicans aren't those things. They are just as intelligent as democrats. They just arrive at different conclusions. At some point the left stopped passionately persuading people to their cause in favor of employing bully tactics. 

 
hey look...card trader did the rollie smilie thing in response to a post in here.  NO WAY!

he is so on top of it!

 
That's kind of the point though... republicans aren't those things. They are just as intelligent as democrats. They just arrive at different conclusions. At some point the left stopped passionately persuading people to their cause in favor of employing bully tactics. 
I'm not suggesting that all Republicans are ignorant, redneck, xenophobic, homophobic, racist, Nascar watching, obese, inbreds, but there is a high probability that the vast majority of ignorant, redneck, xenophobic, homophobic, racist, Nascar watching, obese, inbreds identify with the Republican party.

 
How do you feel evangelicals are regarded by the left?
" ignorant, redneck, xenophobic, homophobic, racist, Nascar watching, obese, inbreds and didn't even deserve a seat at the table" sums it up pretty well.

Just look at any religious thread on this forum as an example.  I can't tell you the number of times that people have insulted my intelligence because I believe in God/Jesus.  And yet the can't figure out why I/others don't want to be part of their party.  Hell, I'm pretty liberal for the most part and I it pisses me off.  Just imagine how others feel.

 
I'm not suggesting that all Republicans are ignorant, redneck, xenophobic, homophobic, racist, Nascar watching, obese, inbreds, but there is a high probability that the vast majority of ignorant, redneck, xenophobic, homophobic, racist, Nascar watching, obese, inbreds identify with the Republican party.
Translation:  Stereotyping is fine as long as it's a group associated with another political party. 

 
Trump has already said that he would "strongly consider" nominating Justices who would get rid of gay marriage.

http://www.foxnews.com/transcript/2016/01/31/ted-cruz-attacks-donald-trump-financial-record-trump-responds/

He also said, "they can trust me on traditional marriage... that was a shocking decision for you and for me and for a lot of other people, but I was very much in favor of letting the states decide... all of a sudden out of nowhere came this very massive decision and they took it away. But I was always in favor of state’s rights."

http://www1.cbn.com/thebrodyfile/archive/2016/02/18/brody-file-exclusive-donald-trump-tells-evangelicals-they-can-trust

VP Pence is historically anti-gay rights, I shouldn't even need to go into details here.

The Republican Party has "traditional marriage" built into their platform. They "do not accept the Supreme Court’s redefinition of marriage and we urge its reversal...."

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/07/18/republicans-adopt-conservative-platform-modern-history/

Everyone involved is anti-gay marriage.
The platform needs adjusting, no doubt. An overwhelming majority of Americans are for same sex marriage that it shouldn't even be a debate. I agree with what Matt wrote up above, if it doesn't affect their lives one bit, why oppose it. They need to mind their own business. I think/hope conservatives know that is a losing battle. 

Still, I stand firm that we won't see anything rolled back, and if we do, I'll oppose it as much as possible. 

 
Hilts said:
How dare you not tolerate folk not wanting gays and minorities to be treated equally and fairly!!! 
I suggest if they dont like it here they move to the Mideast, I am sure they will be much happier theri.

I don't remember this childishness when Obama was elected, freaking babies. 

 
Trump has already said that he would "strongly consider" nominating Justices who would get rid of gay marriage.

http://www.foxnews.com/transcript/2016/01/31/ted-cruz-attacks-donald-trump-financial-record-trump-responds/

He also said, "they can trust me on traditional marriage... that was a shocking decision for you and for me and for a lot of other people, but I was very much in favor of letting the states decide... all of a sudden out of nowhere came this very massive decision and they took it away. But I was always in favor of state’s rights."

http://www1.cbn.com/thebrodyfile/archive/2016/02/18/brody-file-exclusive-donald-trump-tells-evangelicals-they-can-trust

VP Pence is historically anti-gay rights, I shouldn't even need to go into details here.

The Republican Party has "traditional marriage" built into their platform. They "do not accept the Supreme Court’s redefinition of marriage and we urge its reversal...."

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/07/18/republicans-adopt-conservative-platform-modern-history/

Everyone involved is anti-gay marriage.
Again...generalizations.  Not every republican is anti-gay.

 
I'm not suggesting that all Republicans are ignorant, redneck, xenophobic, homophobic, racist, Nascar watching, obese, inbreds, but there is a high probability that the vast majority of ignorant, redneck, xenophobic, homophobic, racist, Nascar watching, obese, inbreds identify with the Republican party.
What percentage of the overall population do you classify this way? What party do you think wins the high school dropout vote?

 
Again...generalizations.  Not every republican is anti-gay.
True, but the potential cabinet members Trump is considering certainly are and the first article suggest whoever he appoints to the SC will be too.  That's what was meant.  

 
Geez you guys are the Right are a thin-skinned bunch. For a group that has the levers of power, a dominant cultural hegemony, and all ####### money, you are a really insecure lot. 
Conservative:  We must stop political correctness!

Liberal:  You sound like an idiot.

Conservative:  Help!  I'm being personally attacked!

 
Election's over fellows.  Now we need to go back and start pretending we like each other and are tolerant of views differing from ours for the next almost 3 years.  After that we can free free to express the fact publicly that we actually loathe all those who think differently than we do.

Time to suppress those real feeling for now boys.  Except that women are generally nuts.  That is always an acceptable belief.  

 
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I may catch flack for this, but as a liberal, there's things I don't understand socially. I don't understand why some on the right (not all), care about who someone marries. That has zero effect on my day to day life, that it isn't worth worrying about or fighting for. And I say that as a Catholic.

The same goes for ridiculing people for being a different religion. Who cares? This country was founded on religious freedom. If someone wants to practice a different religion then me, by all means go for it. I don't look differently at people because they practice Judaism or Atheism or are Methodist or Hindu or Muslim, etc. Again, that has no issue or my day to day life, so why does it matter?

I'm very liberal when it comes to social issues. I believe that all people should be treated the same no matter their gender, religion, race, who they marry, or what gender they want to be. So in a sense, yes, I'm intolerant of people who want to treat people differently because they don't look or believe in things like they do. Being tolerant of others is an important issue to me.
Sad that people think treating others the same is a matter of right or left wing politics. If you look at the two hot button issues Trump ran on: sorry, illegal aliens should not be treated the same as legal ones - they have the same opportunity to come here legally, but once they cross the line illegally, they they made the choice not to be the same. They put themselves above those who were following the law. This needs to be fixed. The wall may not be the answer, but neither is amnesty.

The matter of restricting Muslim immigration is the other.  The Middle East has a significant percentage of the population that hates us.  Separating those who would come here intending harm from those who would not  seems to be a reasonable thing. Why do we vet people for 1 months or longer from friendly countries like Thailand yet want to let people in from unfriendly ones like Syria relatively unvetted? It is irrational. And it is not about religion.

As to who marries who, who cares? The contract with the State assures equal protection and any spiritual joining should be none of the State's business.

Me, I don't want to treat people differently as a matter of sexual preference, race or religion. I want to treat them differently based on whether they are lawbreakers or not, and by what the chances they may want to hurt me are. I don't see that as racist, bigoted, etc. And this is from a guy that may have more Mexican friends than American friends and married to a half Iraqi.

 
Who cares what percentage? There's a lot of them. They identify with the GOP.  
Well, that's kind of the point. This caricature that you guys have created and believe in is a fallacy. Sure, there's deplorables on both sides, but they don't represent anywhere close to the majority on either side. The left has created a caricature of themselves (highly educated, intellectually superior etc...) and also a caricature of the right... both are nonsense and I believe this contributed to Trumps win.

Don't take it from me, I linked to a NYT article in the OP that does a much better job than me of laying this all out.

 
:lmao:

Cant even practice what you preach 
I believe that to be true.

Stating a fact isn't intolerance.   White trash voted for Trump, I feel comfortable saying that.

I'm not standing outside Waffle House spray painting pickups,  or attacking every guy in a backwards baseball cap with tribal tats. 

 
Well, that's kind of the point. This caricature that you guys have created and believe in is a fallacy. Sure, there's deplorables on both sides, but they don't represent anywhere close to the majority on either side. The left has created a caricature of themselves (highly educated, intellectually superior etc...) and also a caricature of the right... both are nonsense and I believe this contributed to Trumps win.

Don't take it from me, I linked to a NYT article in the OP that does a much better job than me of laying this all out.
Why would I trust anything the NYT says?????????

 
I believe that to be true.

Stating a fact isn't intolerance.   White trash voted for Trump, I feel comfortable saying that.

I'm not standing outside Waffle House spray painting pickups,  or attacking every guy in a backwards baseball cap with tribal tats. 
You win the 'Useful Idiot' of the day award. Congrats.

 

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