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(Likely Not) State Approved Euthanasia for Depressed Teen: Do You Agree? (1 Viewer)
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Gary Coal Man
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Politico is now also reporting that all of yesterday’s reporting about state approved euthanasia was incorrect.
The euthanasia that wasn’tNoa Pothoven sought help to end her life but was refused.
Apologies for the misleading OP, but I was only sharing what the media was then reporting.
The euthanasia that wasn’tNoa Pothoven sought help to end her life but was refused.
Apologies for the misleading OP, but I was only sharing what the media was then reporting.
tommyboy
Footballguy
related- quote from Michael Crichton years ago
“Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect is as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray's case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backward—reversing cause and effect. I call these the "wet streets cause rain" stories. Paper's full of them.
In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story, and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about Palestine than the baloney you just read. You turn the page, and forget what you know.”
“Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect is as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray's case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backward—reversing cause and effect. I call these the "wet streets cause rain" stories. Paper's full of them.
In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story, and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about Palestine than the baloney you just read. You turn the page, and forget what you know.”
chet
Footballguy
Anyone know if the girl's parents had to be onboard with their daughter in her euthanasia request?
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Not going to pretend like I have the answers, but are people really advocating for force-feeding a 17 year old? Man.
Jayrod
Footballguy
-fish-
Footballguy
Jayrod
Footballguy
My wife was anorexic in high school before we met and had to be hospitalized and fed via a feeding tube.
She is now 41, a beautiful woman, great mother to our 2 kids and was named teacher of the year for the school district last year.
Teens in anguish aren't thinking straight.
She is now 41, a beautiful woman, great mother to our 2 kids and was named teacher of the year for the school district last year.
Teens in anguish aren't thinking straight.
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comfortably numb
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comfortably numb
Footballguy
I'm heavily in favor and will support strongly any form of euthanasia for people who are dealing with an illness that has taken their quality of life.
It does seem to get complicated when you're dealing with 18 or heck even a middle aged person who simply is depressed and doesn't want to go on living in this world.
The thing is nothing is stopping anyone who would want to go this route by simply committing suicide themselves as many currently do every single day.
I do wonder if some of these people had a more humane way of ending their life...would it possibly prevent any/some murder suicides or mass shootings.
It does seem to get complicated when you're dealing with 18 or heck even a middle aged person who simply is depressed and doesn't want to go on living in this world.
The thing is nothing is stopping anyone who would want to go this route by simply committing suicide themselves as many currently do every single day.
I do wonder if some of these people had a more humane way of ending their life...would it possibly prevent any/some murder suicides or mass shootings.
Ilov80s
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Pretty complex topic and it’s difficult to really assess a situation like this without knowing the girl closely. That said, I can’t support state- approved assisted suicide and can’t allow governments to look the other way on assisted suicide for a youth without a terminal and painful physical condition.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
I think part of our problem as a society is perceiving painful mental conditions as somehow less devastating/more treatable than an equivalent physical condition (I'm not saying you believe this, just using this as a jumping off point). There are physical conditions and diseases that we tend to accept as being detrimental to worthwhile quality of life, as a matter of course. Our understanding of similarly crippling/life-ruining mental issues falls way behind our understanding of the physical ailments we'd put into that category without much thought. We think the mind is more easily fixed than the body, which obviously isn't always true.
This isn't anyone's fault--it's harder to quantify something we can't see or more likely, can't fully imagine or empathize with. People used to a normal state of mind also tend to believe that having a higher level of control over their own thoughts and feelings is the natural state of things, and it isn't for everyone. We think applying willpower and "sucking it up" can get us through mental and emotional turmoil--and for most of us it can. For most of us our mind is not our own worst enemy.
I don't know what was up with this 17 year old, and I'm extremely open to the idea/argument that 17 is too young to know for sure it wasn't fixable. But I do think there are people out there whose minds are so utterly ####ed in ways I can't comprehend, and that science cannot right now heal, as to make merely existing an endless trial of living through hell on earth, day after day. For these people, like with some late-stage, terminal cancer patients, sometimes the merciful release of death might be the most humane treatment option.
The tricky part is that we trust someone stuck in a physical hell to be mentally sound enough to trust their judgement when they want to let go and die. Because their mind isn't sick, their body is. Meanwhile, we don't necessarily trust someone's judgement when it's their mind causing them issues in the first place, maybe understandably. And that's a minefield to navigate, idk how we take the next step on this or reach that next level of understanding.
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Jayrod
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Mental illness is a very, very tough topic.
Even as someone who has suffered with depression, I struggle between thinking something is wrong with me and I'm just being stupid/lazy/weak. I've had states of mind where I literally could not force myself to get any work done, even when I was sitting at my desk for hours and eliminated all distractions. I would just sit there and stare or play tic-tac-toe against myself...anything but work. Then there are days when I can fly through tasks and pull it all together and I'm actually working up to my potential.
Unfortunately, most of my life has been somewhere in the middle and I'm left wondering if I need help or if I just need to "snap out of it" and get going.
rockaction
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I absolutely am, ConnSKINS26. It's very difficult given my libertarian nature to do so, but people that haven't reached the age of majority deserve a bit of a paternalistic (or maternalistic, though paternalistic is the usual sociopolitical term) streak in how they're dealt with. I also knew a young woman (a definite friend) who was anorexic and needed to be force fed. She is also a schoolteacher, happy, and mother of a darling little girl. Teens aren't thinking straight and I don't think that's only experience; neuroscience and a deeper understanding of brain development also point to undeveloped regions of the brain that "fill in" with aging, making the older person sometimes a completely different person with different fears and likes than that same person when younger.
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