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**Lions at Packers** (+2.5, 47.5) 4:25 (1 Viewer)

BobbyLayne

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The two best teams in the NFC North face off in the battle for the first half lead

Both teams are strong contenders to make the NFCCG and maybe even the Super Bowl

Per PFF, these are the two best safety duos in the NFL

GB (19) and DET (15) are 1-2 in takeaways

Line has been coming down as it seems more and more likely that Jordan Love will play - but GB has done quite well in the 2.5 g Malik Willis has filled in

Packers OL is a bit beat up, Detroit is without its Top 4 Edge rushers (Paschal declared out today)

Dan Campbell says this one will come down to who makes a mistake late to lose the game

mid 50s, rainy, 10 mph wind expected
 
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I’ll update the Friday reports later

GREEN BAY PACKERS
Injury report
PlayerPositionInjuryWedThuFriGame Status
Jaire AlexanderCBKneeDNP DNP unspecified
Corey BallentineCBAnkleLP LP unspecified
Kenny ClarkDLToe/ShoulderLP LP unspecified
Josh JacobsRBAnkleDNP LP unspecified
Elgton JenkinsG/TGluteDNP LP unspecified
Jordan LoveQBGroinDNP LP unspecified
Josh MyersC/GWristDNP DNP unspecified
Quay WalkerLBConcussionFP FP unspecified
Rasheed WalkerTKneeDNP LP unspecified
Evan WilliamsSHamstringDNP DNP unspecified
Devonte WyattDLAnkleLP LP unspecified

DETROIT LIONS
Injury report
PlayerPositionInjuryWedThuFriGame Status
Joshua Paschal DEIllnessDNP DNP unspecified
Malcolm Rodriguez LBAnkleDNP DNP unspecified
Taylor Decker OTChestDNP LP unspecified
Mekhi Wingo DTAnkle(-) LP unspecified
Graham Glasgow GRestDNP FP unspecified
Jared Goff QBAnkleDNP FP unspecified
Brodric Martin DTKneeFP FP unspecified
Levi Onwuzurike DTRestDNP FP unspecified
Frank Ragnow CRestDNP FP unspecified
D.J. Reader DERestDNP FP unspecified
Sione Vaki RBKneeDNP FP unspecified
Kevin Zeitler GRestDNPFP
 
Sounds like Alexander and Williams will both miss.... Didn't know how GB would slow Detroit down before-- really don't like their chances now

Alexander is their one good corner (He missed MN home game and they got gashed)
Williams is a rookie safety who has been playing lights out as a compliment to Mckinney
 
The two best teams in the NFC North face off in the battle for the first half lead


Line has been coming down as it seems more and more likely that Jordan Love will play
Before the game where Love got injured the advance line was GB -1 but quickly moved to Detroit -3.5 after the game. As you said the line has come down from that, but still favoring the Lions -3 as of now on draftkings, previously -2.5.
 
Could be the toughest game of the season. Packers are strong on both sides of the ball. Crucial game for both teams as Detroit could put themselves firmly in the drivers seat of the Division and on pace for the #1 seed or Green Bay could move in front. Detroit has been devastated with injuries at the DE and Packers could be the team to exploit the Lions inability to pressure the QB.
 
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Lions Friday report
Brodric Martin, Josh Paschal & Malcolm Rodriguez - Out

Sione Vaki & Mehki Wingo - doubtful



Green Bay final injury report

Safety Evan Williams is out, center Josh Myers is doubtful, and quarterback Jordan Love, cornerback Jaire Alexander, running back Josh Jacobs and cornerback Corey Ballentine are all questionable for Sunday vs. the Lions.
 
will be cold, wet & breezy Sunday

Jared Goff’s 9” hands have fumbled 4 times (none lost) the last 2 weeks

Jake Bates is incredibly inexperienced playing in inclement conditions
 
For all the reasons laid out above, it definitely projects to be a possible loss. For the Lions to win they need to stay ahead of the turnover battle (Love has been known to throw the occasional pick) and be able to grind it out on the ground. Laporta having a big day would be huge for the short passing game in the elements.
 
5 Thoughts to end the week as Lions set to battle Packers
Justin Rogers

Allen Park — Here are five thoughts to end the week as the Detroit Lions prepare to play the Green Bay Packers.

Silly season(s)

I fully recognize the magnitude of this week’s matchup, but if I’m being honest, I just want to fast-forward to November 6.

As it turns out, there are multiple reasons. I, like the rest of you, am done with the political advertisements that have been bombarding us from all directions for several weeks. Asking rhetorically, because I don’t really want to know, but who gets persuaded by those?

More relevant to this publication, that date marks the day after the NFL’s trade deadline. And while speculation and analysis of trade possibilities is quality fodder and good for business, the shark was jumped Friday morning when former NFL general manager Mike Tannenbaum offered up what might be the most absurd trade proposal I’ve ever seen.

I almost feel bad giving it more attention than it’s already received, but for those who missed it, Tannenbaum suggested the Lions ship three first-round picks, a second-rounder AND running back Jahmyr Gibbs to the Cleveland Browns for reigning Defensive Player of the Year Myles Garrett.

Let’s be clear, among players potentially worthy of three first-round picks, Garrett under team control for another two seasons beyond this one might be one of those dudes. He’s had double-digit sacks each of the past six seasons, including 46.0 in the past three seasons. A couple months shy of his 29th birthday, he should be able to maintain that high level of production throughout the remainder of his deal.

Would I do it for just the firsts? No, it’s still a little rich. But now you want to add in a second-rounder and a premier offensive weapon under team control for three more seasons? Come on, Mike.

Of course, this is what the talking heads on ESPN and similar platforms do. They lean on hyperbole to generate a reaction. Headlines about the comment are all over the internet. ESPN and Tannenbaum have achieved their objective.

Back on planet Earth, I remain consistent with my opinion that general manager Brad Holmes needs to add help on the edge before the deadline. And barring shipping his entire roster for Garrett, I still believe the most realistic option is Cleveland's other defensive end, Za’Darius Smith.

Thankfully, come next Wednesday, we’ll be back to talking about what is with the Lions rather than what can be, and we’ll all be better for it.

Hello outside, my old friend

Through the first seven games, the closest thing the Lions have played to an outdoor game was when the Vikings opened the doors at the front of US Bank Stadium on a lovely fall afternoon. I can confidently say the gentle breeze did not have an impact.

This Sunday’s forecast is something entirely different. It could certainly be colder than the forecasted high of 52 degrees, but Mother Nature allegedly has a bunch of precipitation in store.

Fully recognizing (and appreciating) that I’ll be in the climate-controlled confines of the press box, I can’t wait to watch a classic NFC North battle in inclement conditions. Coach Dan Campbell summarized my feelings about outdoor football on Friday.

“We’ll be in the elements, which is great,” Campbell said. “This is like one of those – you hope for this. I think we’ll be all-white (uniforms), so we’ll have the grass stains and everything rolling, man. It’s going to be good, old football, the way it’s meant to be played. …I love the good throwback games. It’s good to get one every once in a while.”

Same, Dan. Same.

While I recognize the league has, in many ways, evolved to embrace speed, space and scoring, I will forever have an affinity for an imperfect slobber-knocker in the rain and mud. And even though the Lions are an indoor team, they have a coach and a healthy chunk of the roster that has a mentality to thrive outdoors. Even the explosive offense, with that line, receivers who embrace blocking and a running back like David Montgomery, they’re more than capable of playing 60 minutes of bully ball.

But here’s the ultimate beauty of Sunday. Winning this game would go a long way toward ensuring they don’t have to play in conditions come January. The Lions currently hold the top seed in the NFC and this matchup is critical to maintaining their spot on top of that mountain, which would secure a playoff path that doesn’t venture outdoors.

Legitimate concerns

If there are concerns I have about the Lions playing outdoors, it’s quarterback Jared Goff’s ball security and kicker Jake Bates’ inexperience.

Goff, who just earned the NFC’s Player of the Month honors, has been playing lights out the past four games. He’s making great decisions, delivering the ball accurately at all levels, and posting efficiency numbers never before seen over a month-long stretch.

But if he’s had a flaw that hasn’t come back to bite him yet, it’s been his ball security in the pocket. He’s put it on the ground four times in the past two games, and he's been fortunate he or a teammate has recovered each of those fumbles.

Even though offensive coordinator Ben Johnson said ball security in the pocket is going to be a point of emphasis for the QB this week, the combination of wet weather, an attacking defensive front, and smaller-than-average hand size is a recipe for potential problems.

Campbell believes this game will come down to one costly mistake, so it’s an issue worth monitoring.
As for Bates, he’s nearly been flawless in his first year with the Lions, but he’s also benefitted from having pristine indoor conditions as much as anyone.
At practice this week, I watched Bates kick one that the wind grabbed and pulled from its dead-center trajectory to a few yards wide left.

Bates remains relatively inexperienced, having only been a regular field goal kicker dating back to his spring stint in the UFL. He told me he had some games in windy conditions, most notably against Memphis and Washington D.C., and he won’t overthink the game in Green Bay by obsessing over the forecast. He’ll wait until pre-game to get a feel for the conditions.

Interestingly, he doesn’t plan on any equipment alterations. He’ll continue to wear his soccer-style cleats because they’re comfortable and he’s confident with their ability to grip the grass, even if it’s wet.

Pedal to the metal

Of all the things I heard this week, the line I loved most was Johnson's answer to my question about whether scoring records mattered to him.

“The records don’t matter, it’s just the mentality of when we step on the field, until the head coach tells us to let off the gas, we’re trying to score a touchdown every time,” Johnson said. “It doesn’t matter if we’re up by five scores, down by five scores, that’s just who we are and that’s what we believe in, and it’s been that way since coach Campbell got here.”

That’s generated some criticism from outsiders, including former governor Chris Christie, and more recently, Packers safety Xavier McKinney.

“In my opinion, I think they try to embarrass people,” McKinney told Green Bay reporters. “And I think this organization and the players we have in here, they don’t really take that lightly. We know that’s what they’re going to come here and try to do. . . . Me, personally, I’m not a big fan of that, trying embarrass someone. I don’t really respect that. It is what it is.”

Did the Lions go a little overboard against Dallas? Maybe. Not because they tried to keep scoring, but you can see how someone might be bothered by the manner they went about it, with the incorporation of their offensive lineman into pass plays when the game was already well in hand. Regardless, that ruthlessness is so much better than the alternative.

The Lions have played that game, where complementary football has involved taking their foot off the gas and trying to eek across the finish line. In my opinion, it’s much better to go for the kill, both offensively and defensively, even if chances of a comeback seem microscopic.

As Broncos coach and Campbell mentor Sean Payton said when he faced similar criticism this year, if teams don’t like it, “play better.”

Valued schedule

Baseball’s offseason is wild to me. After grinding out a month of spring training, a 162-game schedule, and another month of postseason action, the league jumps immediately into hot stove season.

It makes me appreciate the NFL’s structure. Even though the league has done everything it can to generate headlines year-round, at least there’s some breathing room between the Super Bowl and free agency, where most of the major moves are typically wrapped up in under a week.

If the only punishment for spacing things out is an extra month or two of mock drafts, I’ll take this schedule every time.
 
I can't stand Mike Tannenbaum. I understand why he is no longer a GM, but shockingly that he ever was one. He spews more garbage than anyone but that's what @@@@@@ ESPN likes
 
I can't stand Mike Tannenbaum. I understand why he is no longer a GM, but shockingly that he ever was one. He spews more garbage than anyone but that's what @@@@@@ ESPN likes
I don't know who exactly was on the set but going by the radio clip you could hear everyone else there laughing at him as he said it.
 
I can't stand Mike Tannenbaum. I understand why he is no longer a GM, but shockingly that he ever was one. He spews more garbage than anyone but that's what @@@@@@ ESPN likes
I don't know who exactly was on the set but going by the radio clip you could hear everyone else there laughing at him as he said it.

that’s his schtick

last year he did a mock draft that was widely panned

he’s either dumb af or a master troll, not sure which
 
Love the Lions here…..I should love the Lions here.

But the Packers won’t go down without a fight.

Lions 30
Packers 27
 
falling barometer, falling temps - 38 in GB tonight, gonna be no more than 52 at kickoff - sunset is 84 minutes after kickoff

3:00 pmRain52 °F47 °F85 %0.07 in100 %45 °F78 %15 mph SE30.05 in

wind forecast has increased from 9 mph to 15

gotta love It, this is classic football weather

pick your cleats wisely, eh
 
The Lions and Packers have been division rivals since 1933, having both played in the NFL's Western Conference from 1933 to 1970 and in the NFC North since 1970 (known as the NFC Central from 1970 to 2001).

They have met at least twice a season since 1932, without any cancelled games.



Rivalry?

In theory, yes, but since the beginning of the Lombardi era (1959) it's been all Packers, all the time. Pretty one-sided.

Well, let's face it, that is true of Detroit versus any of their NFC North rivals.
  • Chicago: 78-105-5 .428
  • Green Bay: 76-106-7 .421
  • Minnesota 44-80-2 .357



The Dan Campbell era (2021-present)

DateVisitorHomeResultBox Score
11/23/2023Green Bay Packers29@Detroit Lions22LBox
09/28/2023Detroit Lions34@Green Bay Packers20WBox
01/08/2023Detroit Lions20@Green Bay Packers16WBox
11/06/2022Green Bay Packers9@Detroit Lions15WBox
01/09/2022Green Bay Packers30@Detroit Lions37WBox
09/20/2021Detroit Lions17@Green Bay Packers35LBox



After the Siege of Petersburg was lifted in April, 1865, both the city of Petersburg and the Confederate capital of Richmond fell on the same day.

A black union soldier spotted his former owner among a group of Confederate prisoners.

"Hello, Massa," he said. "Bottom rail on top dis time."

I think about that black soldier often these days.
 
@nflrefstats1

DET vs GB officiating info.

- Clete Blakeman leads NFL in penalties per game
- Blakeman No.1 for overall DEFENSIVE penalties
- calls an ABOVE avg 30.5% of overall penalties on DEFENSIVE BACKS
- Lions No.1 penalized defense for DEFENSIVE HOLDING & DEFENSIVE PASS INTERFERENCE
- Packers offense is the No.1 beneficiary of AUTOMATIC 1ST DOWNS via penalty
- on key THIRD DOWN plays Packers will test this Lions secondary
- may benefit from favorable calls along the way w' this crew

oh no's.....sky is falling, sky is falling...SKY FALLING
 
The Lions first out of a dome game this year.
On the road against a tough division opponent.
No Williams. No Hutch. No problem.
Love iffy for The Home Team.
Should be one of the funnest games of the weekend.
Unfortunatley , or not. I'll be out floating somewhere on a cruise ship.
But I'll give an opinion.
I think The Packers defense will create enough havoc to bring this one down to the wire.
I'm gonna say that D makes a play late in the fourth quarter and...

The Green Bay Packers- 27
The Detroit Lions- 24
 
Wet balls & ball hawks might be a factor

TakeawaysTurnovers
tmgdiffintfrtotfrinttot
BUF8+118614123
Det7+1010515415
Pit8+1010515145
GB8+7109199312
 
Love expected to play. A positive boost. May be a track meet in the slop with GBs lack of a pass rush and and Jaire possibly not going and Evan Williams already out. Not sure GB can keep up even if Jaire plays.
 
Weather looks nasty.

This looks like a D. Montgomery vs. J. Jacobs game.

yeah, I have felt like that all week - Dan Campbell's first words to the media this week was "Cleats! Gotta pick the right ones, it's important."

maybe the return trip to Ford Field will be a high scoring shootout, but this will just be hard hitting sloppy November football

low 50s, rain throughout, wind 15-17 mph with gusts 25-30
 
yeah, I have felt like that all week - Dan Campbell's first words to the media this week was "Cleats! Gotta pick the right ones, it's important."

maybe the return trip to Ford Field will be a high scoring shootout, but this will just be hard hitting sloppy November football

low 50s, rain throughout, wind 15-17 mph with gusts 25-30
Games like this are why I love having the best offensive line in the NFL.

Lions 30, Packers 23.
 
Just another week of Lions facing a team that was in the playoffs last year (5th so far, next week at Houston is 6).
Just another tough matchup. Two teams that didn't lose in October.
Love or Willis, Green Bay has a lot going offensively. Jacobs has provided a spark, and their entire group of WR (and TE) are pretty good. Not ARSB good, but also where the defense can't focus on one guy.
Will the weather be a factor? If the passing games struggle to get traction (ha?), that favors the Lions. At the same time, there's still a lot of looming questions, most of which BobbyLayne pointed out.
Excited for this game, and definitely nervous. I'll be rooting for the Lions the whole way, but it's not like I'm predicting them to finish 16-1.
 
Sustained winds of 17 mph, with gusts up to 31 mph, blowing SE corner to corner at Lambeau. "Feels like" temps in mid-40s. This is Detroit's first outdoor game of 2024
 
here’s Jon Gruden yelling for 69 minutes 37 seconds:

Lions at Packers Preview - NICEY! & Gruden’s Grinders Episode 9

(these are actually pretty informative and in depth)
Man, Bobby 'The Brain' Heenan looks AMAZING for his age.

Were you able to sit through the entire hour of that?

I fell asleep to it 2-3 times this week, so….yes!

I did watch one of his previews start-to-finish & thought it was good. But too many content providers think we have 60-90 minutes to waste per sitting.
 
I am curious to see how Goff and the Offense hold up in cold, wet & windy conditions

2021 MNF at Lambeau was similar conditions, and Jared fumbled twice - both times without being hit, he muffed a snap by not having his hands ready, then later knocked the ball out of his own hand patting it while setting up to pass

GB has been playing shell all the way down to the RZ, then they try to force turnovers - been working out for them so far
 
Lions inactives:
  • RB Sione Vaki — knee, doubtful on Friday, downgraded to OUT Saturday
  • OG Christian Mahogany — removed from NFI, added to the active roster this week
  • RT Colby Sorsdal
  • LT Giovanni Manu
  • DL Mekhi Wingo — ankle, doubtful on Friday, downgraded to OUT Saturday
  • EDGE Josh Paschal — illness, ruled OUT
  • LB Malcolm Rodriguez — ankle, ruled OUT
Packers inactives:
  • FS Evan Williams (hamstring) — Ruled OUT Friday
  • C Josh Myers (wrist)
  • CB Jaire Alexander (knee)
  • WR Malik Heath
  • OL Travis Glover
  • DE Brenton Cox Jr.

Packers did not elevate their practice squad QB yesterday
 
I am curious to see how the Detroit D holds up here, this is a major test

Packers have the no. 5 offense in terms of yards per game, just a hair ahead of Detroit at 6th. The Packers and Lions rank 8th and 10th passing and 5th and 6th Rushing, so both can beat you in multiple ways.

On Defense the Packers rank 15th overall while the Lions are 20th. Both teams weakness is the Pass Defense, with the Packers coming in at 19th and the Lions at 27th. Lions are once again strong in the run defense at 4th while the Packers are a respectable 10th.

Both teams are pretty similar on their strengths and weaknesses with their strength on defense at the safety position. Even in the somewhat difficult weather, I see both teams leaning on the passing game. But excessive rain and/or wind could change that.
 
I am curious to see how the Detroit D holds up here, this is a major test

Packers have the no. 5 offense in terms of yards per game, just a hair ahead of Detroit at 6th. The Packers and Lions rank 8th and 10th passing and 5th and 6th Rushing, so both can beat you in multiple ways.

On Defense the Packers rank 15th overall while the Lions are 20th. Both teams weakness is the Pass Defense, with the Packers coming in at 19th and the Lions at 27th. Lions are once again strong in the run defense at 4th while the Packers are a respectable 10th.

Both teams are pretty similar on their strengths and weaknesses with their strength on defense at the safety position. Even in the somewhat difficult weather, I see both teams leaning on the passing game. But excessive rain and/or wind could change that.
Yep, gonna' be a tough, hard-fought game.
 

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