Lions may trade Roy Williams? (1 Viewer)

[jeter23]

http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2008/..._should_be.html

I believe Williams is going to be used as trade bait leading up to the draft because he'll likely bolt when he becomes a free agent in 2009. Johnson should have a standout season because he'll no longer be dealing with the pain in his back and that pain in his neck, Detroit's complicated offense, also will be gone. Ellis will get a chance to win the No. 5 receiver spot by showing some flashes in the kick return game.

 

[Mik789fl]

Trading Williams would certainly fit into Detroit's master plan.

....of not making the playoffs for another generation.

 

[jeter23]

Trading Williams would certainly fit into Detroit's master plan.....of not making the playoffs for another generation.

 

[Phurfur]

http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2008/..._should_be.html

I believe Williams is going to be used as trade bait leading up to the draft because he'll likely bolt when he becomes a free agent in 2009. Johnson should have a standout season because he'll no longer be dealing with the pain in his back and that pain in his neck, Detroit's complicated offense, also will be gone. Ellis will get a chance to win the No. 5 receiver spot by showing some flashes in the kick return game.

Johnson has not proven anything in the NFL yet so what do you base this on? He was given the opportunity to be "the man" against GB and failed miserably.

 

[awesomeness]

http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2008/..._should_be.html

I believe Williams is going to be used as trade bait leading up to the draft because he'll likely bolt when he becomes a free agent in 2009. Johnson should have a standout season because he'll no longer be dealing with the pain in his back and that pain in his neck, Detroit's complicated offense, also will be gone. Ellis will get a chance to win the No. 5 receiver spot by showing some flashes in the kick return game.

Johnson has not proven anything in the NFL yet so what do you base this on? He was given the opportunity to be "the man" against GB and failed miserably.

just guessing, but they are probably basing it on his measurables, fantastic college career, and how he showed promise during the season as he was learning a complicated offense and fighting injuries. 7/83/1 is failed miserably?

 

[jeter23]

http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2008/..._should_be.html

I believe Williams is going to be used as trade bait leading up to the draft because he'll likely bolt when he becomes a free agent in 2009. Johnson should have a standout season because he'll no longer be dealing with the pain in his back and that pain in his neck, Detroit's complicated offense, also will be gone. Ellis will get a chance to win the No. 5 receiver spot by showing some flashes in the kick return game.

Johnson has not proven anything in the NFL yet so what do you base this on? He was given the opportunity to be "the man" against GB and failed miserably.

That is the quote from the article, written by DFP writer Tom Kowalski.

 

[DWidmar]

http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2008/..._should_be.html

I believe Williams is going to be used as trade bait leading up to the draft because he'll likely bolt when he becomes a free agent in 2009. Johnson should have a standout season because he'll no longer be dealing with the pain in his back and that pain in his neck, Detroit's complicated offense, also will be gone. Ellis will get a chance to win the No. 5 receiver spot by showing some flashes in the kick return game.

They seem to do a lot of these trades in MLB and the NBA. However there are very few trades like this in the NFL. I think it would be a great move for the Lions as it seems like Roy Williams really wants to leave the Lions and they could possible get at least something before he leaves.

 

[chris1969]

Trading Williams would certainly fit into Detroit's master plan.....of not making the playoffs for another generation.

don't forget that it also allows them to draft a WR in the first round of the draft as well.

 

[noneother]

send him to cinci for Irons and their first... and cinci can send Chad to TB, for gods knoes what

 

[higgins]

http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2008/..._should_be.html

I believe Williams is going to be used as trade bait leading up to the draft because he'll likely bolt when he becomes a free agent in 2009. Johnson should have a standout season because he'll no longer be dealing with the pain in his back and that pain in his neck, Detroit's complicated offense, also will be gone. Ellis will get a chance to win the No. 5 receiver spot by showing some flashes in the kick return game.

I seem to recall that the major problem Roy AND Kevin Jones had with Detroit was Martz -- now that Martz is gone, their main problem with staying may be as well.

 

[Weapon of Mass Instruction]

Pacman for Roy straight up.

I'm down with that.

 

[FavreCo]

http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2008/..._should_be.html

I believe Williams is going to be used as trade bait leading up to the draft because he'll likely bolt when he becomes a free agent in 2009. Johnson should have a standout season because he'll no longer be dealing with the pain in his back and that pain in his neck, Detroit's complicated offense, also will be gone. Ellis will get a chance to win the No. 5 receiver spot by showing some flashes in the kick return game.

I'd like to share the optimism of Tom K. but who is the QB again???? One can only hope that with Martz gone, Kitna will be allowed to play like Kitna, not what Martz 'thinks' he can be. THEN, maybe CJ will have a good year. Then again, he is still kitna.

 

[bluesclues]

send him to cinci for Irons and their first... and cinci can send Chad to TB, for gods knoes what

A torn knee RB and a pick? No thanks.I would trade Roy and start to rebuild the offensive and defensive interior.I also would send Shawn Rogers out, as well if I could land a pick that merits such.Detroit keeps trying to build outside in.....they need to start inside out.

 

[FUBAR]

Pacman for Roy straight up.I'm down with that.

That would work.So the Titans can trade for Javon Walker, Chad Johnson, or Roy Williams. Off hand, if PacMan is the trade bait (and he should be), the Lions need him the most, so that seems the most likely deal.

 

[FUBAR]

send him to cinci for Irons and their first... and cinci can send Chad to TB, for gods knoes what

A torn knee RB and a pick? No thanks.I would trade Roy and start to rebuild the offensive and defensive interior.

I also would send Shawn Rogers out, as well if I could land a pick that merits such.

Detroit keeps trying to build outside in.....they need to start inside out.

Just curious, but why would you trade Rogers while attempting to improve the interior D?

 

[bluesclues]

I believe after watching many Lions games that Rogers can dominate 10 percent of the time and take 90 percent of the other plays off.

 

[FUBAR]

I believe after watching many Lions games that Rogers can dominate 10 percent of the time and take 90 percent of the other plays off.

Ok, cool. It just seems that Rogers is always discussed among the elite DTs in the league, among the Kevin Williams caliber. It's always good to get the true opinion of a home town fan.

 

[bluesclues]

I believe after watching many Lions games that Rogers can dominate 10 percent of the time and take 90 percent of the other plays off.

Ok, cool. It just seems that Rogers is always discussed among the elite DTs in the league, among the Kevin Williams caliber. It's always good to get the true opinion of a home town fan.

Rogers is a beast when his weight is under control and he decides to play.Kevin Williams is a beast on all plays.Detroit media also has portrayed that Rogers ahs a bad attitude and in a cancer environment that Detroit already is, they need the most optimism and play makers they can get - not negative attitude.I appreciate your question....and input.

 

[dgreen]

Depending on the price, I'd love for the Redskins to be involved here.

 

[jurb26]

Depending on the price, I'd love for the Redskins to be involved here.

I'd love that as a Campbell owner.Personally I think the Lions would be making a mistake if they traded Roy.

 

[kevjones22]

branch for williams 1:1 make it happen! (please :( )

 

[Spartans Rule]

I think it would be a good move for the Lions, depending on what they get in return of course.

As talented and productive as Roy Williams is, I could do without his constant drops, total oblivion to the concept of the first down marker, and excessive celebrations of meaningless catches in blowouts. With the Lions' strength and depth at WR, they certainly don't need to give him a huge contract when he comes up for free agency. I wouldn't give him away, but if he could be traded for a similar caliber player at a position of need, or a high pick, I'm all for it.

 

[Max Power]

When will the Lions Learn? That Organization is a total mess. The fact that nothing was learned during the Barry Sanders retirement is a shame.

Why not spend some time/money whatever is needed to make the organization a place that players want to go.

Bly wanted out and is gone.

Roy wants out and might be gone.

K.Jones already saying he cant wait to move on.

Once Ernie Sims leaves...Hello 1-15.

 

[menobrown]

I think it would be a good move for the Lions, depending on what they get in return of course.As talented and productive as Roy Williams is, I could do without his constant drops, total oblivion to the concept of the first down marker, and excessive celebrations of meaningless catches in blowouts. With the Lions' strength and depth at WR, they certainly don't need to give him a huge contract when he comes up for free agency. I wouldn't give him away, but if he could be traded for a similar caliber player at a position of need, or a high pick, I'm all for it.

Good points and you also forgot to add injury prone. He's missed at least two full games in every season but one and he's had several other games were he played but got hurt early in the game and had to leave.

 

[Max Power]

I think it would be a good move for the Lions, depending on what they get in return of course.As talented and productive as Roy Williams is, I could do without his constant drops, total oblivion to the concept of the first down marker, and excessive celebrations of meaningless catches in blowouts. With the Lions' strength and depth at WR, they certainly don't need to give him a huge contract when he comes up for free agency. I wouldn't give him away, but if he could be traded for a similar caliber player at a position of need, or a high pick, I'm all for it.

Good points and you also forgot to add injury prone. He's missed at least two full games in every season but one and he's had several other games were he played but got hurt early in the game and had to leave.

In Roy's defense...Kitna does lay his WRs out on almost every throw

 

[FUBAR]

When will the Lions Learn? That Organization is a total mess. The fact that nothing was learned during the Barry Sanders retirement is a shame.

Why not spend some time/money whatever is needed to make the organization a place that players want to go.

Bly wanted out and is gone.

Roy wants out and might be gone.

K.Jones already saying he cant wait to move on.

Once Ernie Sims leaves...Hello 1-15.

Because you can't fire an owner.

 

[menobrown]

I think it would be a good move for the Lions, depending on what they get in return of course.As talented and productive as Roy Williams is, I could do without his constant drops, total oblivion to the concept of the first down marker, and excessive celebrations of meaningless catches in blowouts. With the Lions' strength and depth at WR, they certainly don't need to give him a huge contract when he comes up for free agency. I wouldn't give him away, but if he could be traded for a similar caliber player at a position of need, or a high pick, I'm all for it.

Good points and you also forgot to add injury prone. He's missed at least two full games in every season but one and he's had several other games were he played but got hurt early in the game and had to leave.

In Roy's defense...Kitna does lay his WRs out on almost every throw

Yes but the knock on Roy coming out of college was that he often suffered from various nagging injuries.

 

[Marvelous]

Depending on the price, I'd love for the Redskins to be involved here.

Redskins could be a good fit. Players who want out generally don't fetch much in the trade market when trade for draft picks. Do you all think Roy Williams would go for a 2nd round pick?More likely, someone will trade other unwanted players for Roy Williams. I can't think of any players the Redskins would trade that they don't want, except for Brandon Lloyd. Springs was on the block last season, but he had such a good year, I don't think the Redskins will even ask him to take a pay cut this offseason (restructure yes, paycut no).

 

[Al Czervik]

Players who want out generally don't fetch much in the trade market when trade for draft picks.

Roy Wiliams has not said he wants out. When asked the question at the end of the season on local radio, he said he has no desire to leave or be traded (see here). However, it is known that he would like to be closer to his daughter in Texas. Texans, can you send us some defensive help?

 

[Donnybrook]

http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2008/..._should_be.html

I believe Williams is going to be used as trade bait leading up to the draft because he'll likely bolt when he becomes a free agent in 2009. Johnson should have a standout season because he'll no longer be dealing with the pain in his back and that pain in his neck, Detroit's complicated offense, also will be gone. Ellis will get a chance to win the No. 5 receiver spot by showing some flashes in the kick return game.

Why wouldn't Detroit just use the franchise tag on him in 2009? Nobody else on the Lions seems worth tagging.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

Pacman for Roy straight up.I'm down with that.

That would work.So the Titans can trade for Javon Walker, Chad Johnson, or Roy Williams. Off hand, if PacMan is the trade bait (and he should be), the Lions need him the most, so that seems the most likely deal.

Out of the three, I'd rather see the Titans go after Walker and draft Limas Sweed or someone similar.

 

[Marvelous]

Players who want out generally don't fetch much in the trade market when trade for draft picks.

Roy Wiliams has not said he wants out. When asked the question at the end of the season on local radio, he said he has no desire to leave or be traded (see here). However, it is known that he would like to be closer to his daughter in Texas. Texans, can you send us some defensive help?

If that is the case, if Detroit want him, they should sign Roy to an extension. If they don't want him, they should have him play out the last year of his rookie contract.

 

[awesomeness]

Pacman for Roy straight up.I'm down with that.

That would work.So the Titans can trade for Javon Walker, Chad Johnson, or Roy Williams. Off hand, if PacMan is the trade bait (and he should be), the Lions need him the most, so that seems the most likely deal.

Out of the three, I'd rather see the Titans go after Walker and draft Limas Sweed or someone similar.

if Pacman is there tradebait, Denver wont want/need him. Both Cincy and Detroit have weak CB so Pacman would help them there if they are willing to have him on their team.

 

[AllVolUT]

Pacman for Roy straight up.I'm down with that.

That would work.So the Titans can trade for Javon Walker, Chad Johnson, or Roy Williams. Off hand, if PacMan is the trade bait (and he should be), the Lions need him the most, so that seems the most likely deal.

Out of the three, I'd rather see the Titans go after Walker and draft Limas Sweed or someone similar.

if Pacman is there tradebait, Denver wont want/need him. Both Cincy and Detroit have weak CB so Pacman would help them there if they are willing to have him on their team.

Cincy and Pacman seem like a perfect fit on more than one level.

 

[mofo313]

I think it would be a good move for the Lions, depending on what they get in return of course.As talented and productive as Roy Williams is, I could do without his constant drops, total oblivion to the concept of the first down marker, and excessive celebrations of meaningless catches in blowouts. With the Lions' strength and depth at WR, they certainly don't need to give him a huge contract when he comes up for free agency. I wouldn't give him away, but if he could be traded for a similar caliber player at a position of need, or a high pick, I'm all for it.

I couldn't agree with you more. If we can somehow stockpile some picks, there seems to be a good # of DB, LB and DL in the first few rounds that could be impact players. If we could get Jenkings, Maualuga or both I'd be stoked.

 

[Brother Mouzone]

http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2008/..._should_be.html

I believe Williams is going to be used as trade bait leading up to the draft because he'll likely bolt when he becomes a free agent in 2009. Johnson should have a standout season because he'll no longer be dealing with the pain in his back and that pain in his neck, Detroit's complicated offense, also will be gone. Ellis will get a chance to win the No. 5 receiver spot by showing some flashes in the kick return game.

I seem to recall that the major problem Roy AND Kevin Jones had with Detroit was Martz -- now that Martz is gone, their main problem with staying may be as well.

agreed. with Martz gone I dont see Roy or Jones being dealt unless it considerably upgrades the team. not in '08 anyway...

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Can they please trade him in-division?

I'd buy a Vikings jersey with Roy Williams' name on it.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I think it would be a good move for the Lions, depending on what they get in return of course.As talented and productive as Roy Williams is, I could do without his constant drops, total oblivion to the concept of the first down marker, and excessive celebrations of meaningless catches in blowouts. With the Lions' strength and depth at WR, they certainly don't need to give him a huge contract when he comes up for free agency. I wouldn't give him away, but if he could be traded for a similar caliber player at a position of need, or a high pick, I'm all for it.

I couldn't agree with you more. If we can somehow stockpile some picks, there seems to be a good # of DB, LB and DL in the first few rounds that could be impact players. If we could get Jenkings, Maualuga or both I'd be stoked.

Well, I don't think they'll get equal value......I think the Lions would lose if they trade him. Considering that Randy Moss went for a 4th rounder and more recently Chambers went for a 2nd rounder...what will the Lions get for him?You think they're going to get a 1st round pick from someone who has an early pick? I don't and that's what they used to get him. He's a proven WR with mileage still left.....I'd keep him and build around him rather than give away. How many proven players to the Lions have on the team at their position......not many.And teams aren't going to give up someone who's proven at O-L or on defense for Roy Williams. Other teams have a clue at what it takes to win.....and it's not a Wr.

 

[Colin Dowling]

Pacman for Roy straight up.I'm down with that.

That would work.So the Titans can trade for Javon Walker, Chad Johnson, or Roy Williams. Off hand, if PacMan is the trade bait (and he should be), the Lions need him the most, so that seems the most likely deal.

Out of the three, I'd rather see the Titans go after Walker and draft Limas Sweed or someone similar.

I'm not trading a top-3 return man and top-3 corner for any receiver. Ever.

 

[fatness]

Depending on the price, I'd love for the Redskins to be involved here.

Same here. And if he's available I wouldn't be surprised to see them go after him.

 

[RBM]

Pacman for Roy straight up.I'm down with that.

That would work.So the Titans can trade for Javon Walker, Chad Johnson, or Roy Williams. Off hand, if PacMan is the trade bait (and he should be), the Lions need him the most, so that seems the most likely deal.

Out of the three, I'd rather see the Titans go after Walker and draft Limas Sweed or someone similar.

I'm not trading a top-3 return man and top-3 corner for any receiver. Ever.

Whooo whooo whooo, who is the top 3 guy you are talking about, Pac Man?I hope you are joking

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I'm not trading a top-3 return man and top-3 corner for any receiver. Ever.

Pac Man may be the third best return man (Hester, Cribbs) but there's no way he's a top 3 corner.

 

[Colin Dowling]

I'm not trading a top-3 return man and top-3 corner for any receiver. Ever.

Pac Man may be the third best return man (Hester, Cribbs) but there's no way he's a top 3 corner.

Bailey and...?ETA: I see there are two posters who dispute PacMan as a top-3 corner. I'll grant that Bailey is clearly the best, but after that the conversation is VERY muddied. At worst, he's a top-10 guy. I think he's a top-3 guy who improved dramatically b/w year 1 and year 2. At the end of last year, he was every bit a top-3 corner in the league.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

Pacman for Roy straight up.

I'm down with that.

That would work.So the Titans can trade for Javon Walker, Chad Johnson, or Roy Williams. Off hand, if PacMan is the trade bait (and he should be), the Lions need him the most, so that seems the most likely deal.

Out of the three, I'd rather see the Titans go after Walker and draft Limas Sweed or someone similar.

I'm not trading a top-3 return man and top-3 corner for any receiver. Ever.

I'm with you on that...I was just sayin' if they go the trade route...I'd rather see them acquire some wrs through the fa market and the draft. They need to keep Haynesworth and Jones.

 

[sib]

I'm not trading a top-3 return man and top-3 corner for any receiver. Ever.

Pac Man may be the third best return man (Hester, Cribbs) but there's no way he's a top 3 corner.

Bailey and...?ETA: I see there are two posters who dispute PacMan as a top-3 corner. I'll grant that Bailey is clearly the best, but after that the conversation is VERY muddied. At worst, he's a top-10 guy. I think he's a top-3 guy who improved dramatically b/w year 1 and year 2. At the end of last year, he was every bit a top-3 corner in the league.

When that "top 3 corner" is Pacman Jones, I would think you'd be doing cartwheels if you could get a WR with the talent of Roy Williams for him....

 

[RBM]

I'm not trading a top-3 return man and top-3 corner for any receiver. Ever.

Pac Man may be the third best return man (Hester, Cribbs) but there's no way he's a top 3 corner.

Bailey and...?ETA: I see there are two posters who dispute PacMan as a top-3 corner. I'll grant that Bailey is clearly the best, but after that the conversation is VERY muddied. At worst, he's a top-10 guy. I think he's a top-3 guy who improved dramatically b/w year 1 and year 2. At the end of last year, he was every bit a top-3 corner in the league.

First of all, you would be in the minority thinking that he is even top 5, let alone top 3. Second of all, how are you just ignoring the other "little" problem with the guy?Anyway, guys I would take over PacMan:Bailey, Mathis, Samuel, Tillman, Trufant, Harris, Clements, Newman, McCallister, HallYounger guys that are on the same talent level of him:M Jackson, Bodden, Vasher, Asomghua, D Robinson, Cromartie

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I'm not trading a top-3 return man and top-3 corner for any receiver. Ever.

Pac Man may be the third best return man (Hester, Cribbs) but there's no way he's a top 3 corner.

Bailey and...?ETA: I see there are two posters who dispute PacMan as a top-3 corner. I'll grant that Bailey is clearly the best, but after that the conversation is VERY muddied. At worst, he's a top-10 guy. I think he's a top-3 guy who improved dramatically b/w year 1 and year 2. At the end of last year, he was every bit a top-3 corner in the league.

Cornerbacks better than Pac Man Jones (in alphabetical order by last name)Asomugha, NnamdiBailey, ChampBodden, LeighClements, NateCromartie, AntonioHarris, AlMarshall, RichardMathis, RasheanNewman, TerenceSamuel, AsanteTrufant, MarcusWinfield, AntoineWoodson, Charles

 

[Colin Dowling]

I'm not trading a top-3 return man and top-3 corner for any receiver. Ever.

Pac Man may be the third best return man (Hester, Cribbs) but there's no way he's a top 3 corner.

Bailey and...?ETA: I see there are two posters who dispute PacMan as a top-3 corner. I'll grant that Bailey is clearly the best, but after that the conversation is VERY muddied. At worst, he's a top-10 guy. I think he's a top-3 guy who improved dramatically b/w year 1 and year 2. At the end of last year, he was every bit a top-3 corner in the league.

First of all, you would be in the minority thinking that he is even top 5, let alone top 3. Second of all, how are you just ignoring the other "little" problem with the guy?Anyway, guys I would take over PacMan:Bailey, Mathis, Samuel, Tillman, Trufant, Harris, Clements, Newman, McCallister, HallYounger guys thare are on the same talent level of him:M Jackson, Bodden, Vasher, Asomghua, D Robinson, Cromartie

So in the WORST case you have him 17th, behind a number of guys that are on the far side of their primes (Newman, for one). And you have him behind a few guys that can't return kicks nearly as well. And you have him behind Deangelo Hall .

 

[Colin Dowling]

I'm not trading a top-3 return man and top-3 corner for any receiver. Ever.

Pac Man may be the third best return man (Hester, Cribbs) but there's no way he's a top 3 corner.

Bailey and...?ETA: I see there are two posters who dispute PacMan as a top-3 corner. I'll grant that Bailey is clearly the best, but after that the conversation is VERY muddied. At worst, he's a top-10 guy. I think he's a top-3 guy who improved dramatically b/w year 1 and year 2. At the end of last year, he was every bit a top-3 corner in the league.

Cornerbacks better than Pac Man Jones (in alphabetical order by last name)Asomugha, Nnamdi

Bailey, Champ

Bodden, Leigh

Clements, Nate

Cromartie, Antonio

Harris, Al

Marshall, Richard

Mathis, Rashean

Newman, Terence

Samuel, Asante

Trufant, Marcus

Winfield, Antoine

Woodson, Charles

You're better then that.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I'm not trading a top-3 return man and top-3 corner for any receiver. Ever.

Pac Man may be the third best return man (Hester, Cribbs) but there's no way he's a top 3 corner.

Bailey and...?ETA: I see there are two posters who dispute PacMan as a top-3 corner. I'll grant that Bailey is clearly the best, but after that the conversation is VERY muddied. At worst, he's a top-10 guy. I think he's a top-3 guy who improved dramatically b/w year 1 and year 2. At the end of last year, he was every bit a top-3 corner in the league.

Cornerbacks better than Pac Man Jones (in alphabetical order by last name)Asomugha, Nnamdi

Bailey, Champ

Bodden, Leigh

Clements, Nate

Cromartie, Antonio

Harris, Al

Marshall, Richard

Mathis, Rashean

Newman, Terence

Samuel, Asante

Trufant, Marcus

Winfield, Antoine

Woodson, Charles

You're better then that.

Just teasin' with that one.