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[Da Guru]

I was watching the game last night and came awaythinking "I will not have a Lion on my team"

They are running a Ram style offense..only problem is that O-Line is weak, and Kitna was in trouble almost every pass play before the WRs finished their routes.

Charles Rogers did not play, Mike Williams did not play much if at all. Roy Williams was doubled and basically useless. The other WRs were Bradford and a guy named Furley..or Furry

Keven Jones looked decent. All in all it was very ugly. The Raiders weak D looked like the Steel Curtain last night.

 

[Lauryn]

oh noes! an eastern time zone team that had a bad west coast game! that NEVER happens! nevermind that they flew out that same morning...

overreaction...they won't be great, but they're not undraftable.

 

[Da Guru]

oh noes! an eastern time zone team that had a bad west coast game! that NEVER happens! nevermind that they flew out that same morning...overreaction...they won't be great, but they're not undraftable.

Not really a over reaction. I have watched every down of pre-season as a homer and things are not looking good at all. I just don`t think the Lions have the line to run the deep routes that Martz wants to run. Every time we went to the 4 WRs set last night Kitna nearly got killed. Jones got nothing up the middle, a couple of times he bounced it outside after getting stuffed for decent gains, but otherwise the line had zero push.

 

[H.K.]

oh noes! an eastern time zone team that had a bad west coast game! that NEVER happens! nevermind that they flew out that same morning...overreaction...they won't be great, but they're not undraftable.

Not really a over reaction. I have watched every down of pre-season as a homer and things are not looking good at all. I just don`t think the Lions have the line to run the deep routes that Martz wants to run. Every time we went to the 4 WRs set last night Kitna nearly got killed. Jones got nothing up the middle, a couple of times he bounced it outside after getting stuffed for decent gains, but otherwise the line had zero push.

How does Kitna look....I liked to see the stats where he had 19 rushing yards, but after hearing your write up, it doesn't sound too promising for him to last very long.

 

[Da Guru]

oh noes! an eastern time zone team that had a bad west coast game! that NEVER happens! nevermind that they flew out that same morning...overreaction...they won't be great, but they're not undraftable.

Not really a over reaction. I have watched every down of pre-season as a homer and things are not looking good at all. I just don`t think the Lions have the line to run the deep routes that Martz wants to run. Every time we went to the 4 WRs set last night Kitna nearly got killed. Jones got nothing up the middle, a couple of times he bounced it outside after getting stuffed for decent gains, but otherwise the line had zero push.

How does Kitna look....I liked to see the stats where he had 19 rushing yards, but after hearing your write up, it doesn't sound too promising for him to last very long.

Actually Kitna looked good when he had time, that being said so did Joey Harrington. Kitna threw one bad INT.Kitna was not afraid to run when things broke down.The offense does not seem in sinc at all.

 

[redkush]

They're missing the whole right side of their line. Woody, Tucker and Fitzsimmons are out and only Fitz won't be back for game 1. Everytime Kitna had preesure last night it came from the right side.

 

[Mik789fl]

A word to the wise......PRESEASON!

 

[Scarpati]

Da Guru,

What version of the Bible is that in your sig line? I recognize the end, but the beginning looks unfamiliar!

 

[Bankerguy]

I was watching the game last night and came awaythinking "I will not have a Lion on my team"

They are running a Ram style offense..only problem is that O-Line is weak, and Kitna was in trouble almost every pass play before the WRs finished their routes.

Charles Rogers did not play, Mike Williams did not play much if at all. Roy Williams was doubled and basically useless. The other WRs were Bradford and a guy named Furley..or Furry

Keven Jones looked decent. All in all it was very ugly. The Raiders weak D looked like the Steel Curtain last night.

I try to avoid this way of thinking. I will have anyone on my team, but only at the right value. I think the point you are trying to make, (Which I agree with) is that none of Lions offer much value based on current ADP's.Just my 0.02.

 

[Da Guru]

Da Guru,What version of the Bible is that in your sig line? I recognize the end, but the beginning looks unfamiliar!

The Pulp Fiction version.

 

[Steelers4Life]

Da Guru,What version of the Bible is that in your sig line? I recognize the end, but the beginning looks unfamiliar!

The Pulp Fiction version.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

oh noes! an eastern time zone team that had a bad west coast game! that NEVER happens! nevermind that they flew out that same morning...

overreaction...they won't be great, but they're not undraftable.

Not really a over reaction. I have watched every down of pre-season as a homer and things are not looking good at all.I just don`t think the Lions have the line to run the deep routes that Martz wants to run. Every time we went to the 4 WRs set last night Kitna nearly got killed.

Jones got nothing up the middle, a couple of times he bounced it outside after getting stuffed for decent gains, but otherwise the line had zero push.

How does Kitna look....I liked to see the stats where he had 19 rushing yards, but after hearing your write up, it doesn't sound too promising for him to last very long.

Actually Kitna looked good when he had time, that being said so did Joey Harrington. Kitna threw one bad INT.Kitna was not afraid to run when things broke down.

The offense does not seem in sinc at all.

Amazing, considering he plays for the Dolphins now.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

Da Guru,What version of the Bible is that in your sig line? I recognize the end, but the beginning looks unfamiliar!

The Pulp Fiction version.

 

[Da Guru]

I was watching the game last night and came awaythinking "I will not have a Lion on my team"

They are running a Ram style offense..only problem is that O-Line is weak, and Kitna was in trouble almost every pass play before the WRs finished their routes.

Charles Rogers did not play, Mike Williams did not play much if at all. Roy Williams was doubled and basically useless. The other WRs were Bradford and a guy named Furley..or Furry

Keven Jones looked decent. All in all it was very ugly. The Raiders weak D looked like the Steel Curtain last night.

I try to avoid this way of thinking. I will have anyone on my team, but only at the right value. I think the point you are trying to make, (Which I agree with) is that none of Lions offer much value based on current ADP's.Just my 0.02.

I would love nothing more than for the Detroit Lions to have success. That being said with Charles Rogers looking like he is done in Detroit, Mike Williams looking a bit slow for a WR, I feel bad for Roy Williams,Roy is a very good WR, he uses his body and has great hands but when you start a bunch of retreads on the other side Roy will be smothered.

Stay away in terms taking a chance and drafting KJ and Roy a little higher than they should go.

Of course the lower they fall the more valuable they become. I just can`t see the Lions being much different this year..I hope I am wrong.

I thought it would be different with Martz, we have a Torry Holt in Roy, we don`t have a Isaac Bruce, a Marshall Faulk, a Kevin Curtis, a Marc Bulgar or Orlando Pace.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

oh noes! an eastern time zone team that had a bad west coast game! that NEVER happens! nevermind that they flew out that same morning...

overreaction...they won't be great, but they're not undraftable.

Not really a over reaction. I have watched every down of pre-season as a homer and things are not looking good at all.I just don`t think the Lions have the line to run the deep routes that Martz wants to run. Every time we went to the 4 WRs set last night Kitna nearly got killed.

Jones got nothing up the middle, a couple of times he bounced it outside after getting stuffed for decent gains, but otherwise the line had zero push.

How does Kitna look....I liked to see the stats where he had 19 rushing yards, but after hearing your write up, it doesn't sound too promising for him to last very long.

Actually Kitna looked good when he had time, that being said so did Joey Harrington. Kitna threw one bad INT.Kitna was not afraid to run when things broke down.

The offense does not seem in sinc at all.

Amazing, considering he plays for the Dolphins now.

I'm sure he was talking about prior years.

 

[Da Guru]

oh noes! an eastern time zone team that had a bad west coast game! that NEVER happens! nevermind that they flew out that same morning...

overreaction...they won't be great, but they're not undraftable.

Not really a over reaction. I have watched every down of pre-season as a homer and things are not looking good at all.I just don`t think the Lions have the line to run the deep routes that Martz wants to run. Every time we went to the 4 WRs set last night Kitna nearly got killed.

Jones got nothing up the middle, a couple of times he bounced it outside after getting stuffed for decent gains, but otherwise the line had zero push.

How does Kitna look....I liked to see the stats where he had 19 rushing yards, but after hearing your write up, it doesn't sound too promising for him to last very long.

Actually Kitna looked good when he had time, that being said so did Joey Harrington. Kitna threw one bad INT.Kitna was not afraid to run when things broke down.

The offense does not seem in sinc at all.

Amazing, considering he plays for the Dolphins now.

The Joey of the last 4 years.

 

[Tau837]

thought it would be different with Martz, we have a Torry Holt in Roy, we don`t have a Isaac Bruce, a Marshall Faulk, a Kevin Curtis, a Marc Bulgar or Orlando Pace.

Not even close.

 

[Bojang0301]

Sadly, I will agree with the Da Guru. The Lions look like shat still.

 

[Da Guru]

thought it would be different with Martz, we have a Torry Holt in Roy, we don`t have a Isaac Bruce, a Marshall Faulk, a Kevin Curtis, a Marc Bulgar or Orlando Pace.

Not even close.

Close. Roy does not have Holts speed, but one on one in the red zone Roy is a very gifted WR with his size and hands. When you are the only threat on the team it is easier to shut it down. The Lions would make Torry Holt a 4th RD pick.

 

[DawnBTVS]

Maybe it's just me but it's looking like Eddie Drummond could be a sleeper #4 WR in PPR leagues or leagues that also give points for return yards.

Game 1: 1 catch for 11 yards

Game 2: 3 catches for 36 yards

Game 3: 4 catches for 71 yards

Any Lions homers, is Drummond planned to fill the Az-Hakim role in Martz's O?

 

[TheBradyBunch]

One thing seems pretty clear. Martz will get KJ enough touches that he COULD be a stud. The "could" is the tricky part and will depend on the OL, KJ's health and whether Kitna can survive a season in that offense (see: Bulger). Lions homers..please discuss the improvement in KJ's pass-catching skills this season? Has he really developed into a more complete back in that regard?

 

[bbuster]

Is Millen "connected" or something? How does this idiot still have a job.

2002 Harrington

2003 Rogers

2004 Roy and KJ

2005 M. Williams

Roy and KJ were fine, but I'm pretty sure it takes at least a couple of good OL to run the high powered offense he had in mind.

 

[Bob Henry]

I'm with you, Guru... I didn't think the Lions sufficiently addressed their o-line in the offseason. Backus is severely overpaid and is an average-at-best left tackle. This coming from a fellow Wolverine and Lions fan.

Williams is a great talent, but I'm not sure he's the kind of guy that plays through injuries and really exerts himself on and off the field the way Torry Holt does. I still think he'll be fine and there's no question he's far and away the Lions best skilled player.

The Lions LBs are awful right now. Plenty of talent, but injury concerns are really setting in right now.

Jones would be fine with a better line and I admit.. I waver on him. I think he could be great, but I have my doubts that he can really play up to his potential until they fix their line.

Mike Williams? I'm speechless. He and Rogers are enough to make any Lions fan upset.

Par for the course at Allen Park, I'm afraid. I do like the coaching staff this year. If there's any hope we can at least take solace that these guys will get a lot more out of the talent they have than Mooch ever did.

Trying to stay optimistic, but it's hard.

 

[hacman]

Da Guru,What version of the Bible is that in your sig line? I recognize the end, but the beginning looks unfamiliar!

The Pulp Fiction version.

My favorite post this year.

 

[Traders2001]

One thing seems pretty clear. Martz will get KJ enough touches that he COULD be a stud. The "could" is the tricky part and will depend on the OL, KJ's health and whether Kitna can survive a season in that offense (see: Bulger). Lions homers..please discuss the improvement in KJ's pass-catching skills this season? Has he really developed into a more complete back in that regard?

To be a stud you still need to be talented and K Jones is nt .

 

[Buckeyedawgs]

I am starting too think Kitna might just be the best fantasy producer on Lions. Tons of pass yardage always playing catch up!

 

[softball]

Kevin Jones will be no good?

Probably an over reaction here to a Pre season game...

 

[Bob Henry]

Kevin Jones will be no good?Probably an over reaction here to a Pre season game...

No way he's even close to as bad as last year, but whether he can produce at the level he did in the second half of his rookie season remains to be seen. The good thing is that he'll have the opportunity to do so this year - unlike last year.

 

[Da Guru]

Kevin Jones will be no good?Probably an over reaction here to a Pre season game...

No way he's even close to as bad as last year, but whether he can produce at the level he did in the second half of his rookie season remains to be seen. The good thing is that he'll have the opportunity to do so this year - unlike last year.

I agree with that Bob, but after 2 years KJ is still an unknown commodity.

 

[Steelers4Life]

Kevin Jones will be no good?Probably an over reaction here to a Pre season game...

No way he's even close to as bad as last year, but whether he can produce at the level he did in the second half of his rookie season remains to be seen. The good thing is that he'll have the opportunity to do so this year - unlike last year.

The thing is, he won't have to produce that way because he won't have to justify a top of the first round draft pick. If he does, it's a bonus. He's now being drafted in the 2nd and even 3rd round, and I have a lot of faith that he'll outperform his draft position.

 

[mr. furley]

I was watching the game last night and came awaythinking "I will not have a Lion on my team"

They are running a Ram style offense..only problem is that O-Line is weak, and Kitna was in trouble almost every pass play before the WRs finished their routes.

Charles Rogers did not play, Mike Williams did not play much if at all. Roy Williams was doubled and basically useless. The other WRs were Bradford and a guy named Furley..or Furry

Keven Jones looked decent. All in all it was very ugly. The Raiders weak D looked like the Steel Curtain last night.

gimme a couple weeks to get conditioned. i'm gonna be a real steal for guys in deep leagues.

 

[malice]

thought it would be different with Martz, we have a Torry Holt in Roy, we don`t have a Isaac Bruce, a Marshall Faulk, a Kevin Curtis, a Marc Bulgar or Orlando Pace.

Not even close.

I think Donte Stallworth is a little more accurate.I've only had a Lion on my roster once out of the last 5 years (Roy's rookie season). I've only missed the playoffs once out of the last 5 years. That same year is what those two statements have in common.

Jason Hanson is the best FF option on the team- other than that, you're going to pull your hair out week after week thinking this could be the week that Lion puts up good fantasy numbers. Let it be someone else's problem.

 

[Leviathan]

I won't touch any Lion offensive players this year, but for those in IDP leagues, Simms (LB) looks like a good choice.

 

[Bob Henry]

Kevin Jones will be no good?Probably an over reaction here to a Pre season game...

No way he's even close to as bad as last year, but whether he can produce at the level he did in the second half of his rookie season remains to be seen. The good thing is that he'll have the opportunity to do so this year - unlike last year.

The thing is, he won't have to produce that way because he won't have to justify a top of the first round draft pick. If he does, it's a bonus. He's now being drafted in the 2nd and even 3rd round, and I have a lot of faith that he'll outperform his draft position.

Good point indeed.

 

[LawFitz]

Close. Roy does not have Holts speed, but one on one in the red zone Roy is a very gifted WR with his size and hands.

??? RW has ridiculous speed. What he lacks is Tori's smarts, savvy, durability and experience. He's also missing a decent OLine to protect his QB and a legitimate threat on the other side of the field to keep defenses honest.

 

[Da Guru]

Close. Roy does not have Holts speed, but one on one in the red zone Roy is a very gifted WR with his size and hands.

??? RW has ridiculous speed. What he lacks is Tori's smarts, savvy, durability and experience. He's also missing a decent OLine to protect his QB and a legitimate threat on the other side of the field to keep defenses honest.

Roy in camp it was reported was running 4.5/4.6 range. Roy has good enough speed, great and hands and body control.I have watched every down he has played for the Lions. Holt and Roy play 2 different games.

 

[massraider]

I won't touch any Lion offensive players this year, but for those in IDP leagues, Simms (LB) looks like a good choice.

I only saw him in last nights game, and he didn't look like Derrick Brooks.I actually think Kitna and Bradford offer value, where they are going. I have Kitna as a 3rd QB, and Bradford as a 5th WR in two leagues.

 

[LawFitz]

Roy in camp it was reported was running 4.5/4.6 range. Roy has good enough speed, great and hands and body control.

Well then he's lost 0.3 seconds off his forty time from the combine.Last I checked WRs don't get slower in their first three years unless hurt. And I don't recall any major injuries since he's been in the league.

 

[Looking4Answers]

This thread should read staying away from Lions (end of story).

 

[Righetti]

One thing seems pretty clear. Martz will get KJ enough touches that he COULD be a stud. The "could" is the tricky part and will depend on the OL, KJ's health and whether Kitna can survive a season in that offense (see: Bulger). Lions homers..please discuss the improvement in KJ's pass-catching skills this season? Has he really developed into a more complete back in that regard?

exactly my thought....KJ will outperform his ADP this year

 

[malice]

Roy in camp it was reported was running 4.5/4.6 range. Roy has good enough speed, great and hands and body control.

Well then he's lost 0.3 seconds off his forty time from the combine.Last I checked WRs don't get slower in their first three years unless hurt. And I don't recall any major injuries since he's been in the league.

Nothing major, but he has fought through a number of high ankle sprains.

 

[bjlmonster]

Jason Hanson will be the lions top FF producer!

 

[Buckna]

One thing seems pretty clear. Martz will get KJ enough touches that he COULD be a stud. The "could" is the tricky part and will depend on the OL, KJ's health and whether Kitna can survive a season in that offense (see: Bulger). Lions homers..please discuss the improvement in KJ's pass-catching skills this season? Has he really developed into a more complete back in that regard?

exactly my thought....KJ will outperform his ADP this year

His ADP is RB14, I think this is highly unlikely.

 

[gump]

One thing seems pretty clear. Martz will get KJ enough touches that he COULD be a stud. The "could" is the tricky part and will depend on the OL, KJ's health and whether Kitna can survive a season in that offense (see: Bulger). Lions homers..please discuss the improvement in KJ's pass-catching skills this season? Has he really developed into a more complete back in that regard?

exactly my thought....KJ will outperform his ADP this year

His ADP is RB14, I think this is highly unlikely.

I drafted KJ in the 5th round...in two different drafts...over the weekend. I think there are a lot of skeptics.

 

[KGB]

I got him in the 4th

 

[teamramrod]

Maybe it's just me but it's looking like Eddie Drummond could be a sleeper #4 WR in PPR leagues or leagues that also give points for return yards.Game 1: 1 catch for 11 yardsGame 2: 3 catches for 36 yardsGame 3: 4 catches for 71 yardsAny Lions homers, is Drummond planned to fill the Az-Hakim role in Martz's O?

As a lions fan and wathcer of thier games, I wouldnt do this. That is about 6 more catches than Drummond will see in the Regular season. He rarley comes in for pass plays, and when he does, the D keys on him. Often used as a decoy.

 

[teamramrod]

Is Millen "connected" or something? How does this idiot still have a job.

He has pictures of Ford with a goat is the rumor here in Michigan.

 

[reg]

I don't have any Lions, but wouldn't mind have ROY. I love that guy.

 

[L-pipe]

I dunno, maybe I'm in the minority, but I like the QB/WR positions in a Martz run offense. Anybody see the O-line situation getting better(injuries)?

 

[Da Guru]

I went to the game tonight.

STAY FAR>>FAR>>AWAY!! This is as a homer.