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I'm having a little fun with the Phil phans on Greatful Dead Reddit if anyone is interested. They are so protective of him!

 
Got tickets for Dead and Co. for Cincinnati.  I haven't been to a concert in 10 years.  Kind of excited.

 
Have had the Day of the Dead for a few days now. Some tremendous stuff. A lot of it layered, ambient, and drenched in reverb. If you're into that kind of thing, I think you'll love it. A lot. A couple early faves among the stuff that hasn't been released are Kurt Vile's Box, Local Natives Stella Blue, Lee Renaldo et al Playin, Bryce Dessner's Garcia Counterpoint>Terrapin Station, Mumford & Sons FOTD (more like Bryce, Aaron, Sam Cohen w/head Mumford vocals), The Rileys Estimated Prophet, and all three Will Oldham tracks. Rubin and Cerise is the ####. If I Had the World to Give could have been a BPB track.

Fantastic job by the the Dessners. Must hear for deadheads and music fans alike.

 
Did anyone get the 7/8/78 Red Rocks Betty release?  I LOVE it and have been spinning it all week.  Today there was a release on some Nugs app that I can't get.  If someone has today's Co. show, hook me up!  TIA.

 
Apple Jack said:
Have had the Day of the Dead for a few days now. Some tremendous stuff. A lot of it layered, ambient, and drenched in reverb. If you're into that kind of thing, I think you'll love it. A lot. A couple early faves among the stuff that hasn't been released are Kurt Vile's Box, Local Natives Stella Blue, Lee Renaldo et al Playin, Bryce Dessner's Garcia Counterpoint>Terrapin Station, Mumford & Sons FOTD (more like Bryce, Aaron, Sam Cohen w/head Mumford vocals), The Rileys Estimated Prophet, and all three Will Oldham tracks. Rubin and Cerise is the ####. If I Had the World to Give could have been a BPB track.

Fantastic job by the the Dessners. Must hear for deadheads and music fans alike.
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Had no idea this existed.  Listening now. :thumbup:

 
Hit and miss for me.  Needs more listens. Really liked Eyes of the World.  Didn't love Lucinda or Mumford. LOVED Jack-a-roe.  Thanks for the letting me know.  Informed a friend who went to over 400 shows.  Have not heard back.  I can imagine what he will say but sent it anyway.

 
Saw them last Friday night, thought they sounded a thousand times better than the fare the well shows.  It's probably sacriligious, but removing Phil's overbearing sound from the mix has as much to do with it as adding Mayer's guitar and vocals.

 
Went to the Dead & Co. show last night and thought it was a great show.  Mayer seemed really into it and basically excited to just be out there. 

Also, amazing that Donna was there.  

 
Redwes25 said:
Went to the Dead & Co. show last night and thought it was a great show.  Mayer seemed really into it and basically excited to just be out there. 

Also, amazing that Donna was there.  
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Donna'so sound has been a great addition to the three shows imo.  It just adds another layer which is cool.    If I had one small complaint, it would be that Bob is singing too much and his voice is paying for it.  He sounded much better at the beginning of both tours.  I have always been a "Bob" guy fwiw.  Nugs has soundboards of all the shows this tour if you sign up.  It's like $10

 
PIK95 said:
Donna'so sound has been a great addition to the three shows imo.  It just adds another layer which is cool.    If I had one small complaint, it would be that Bob is singing too much and his voice is paying for it.  He sounded much better at the beginning of both tours.  I have always been a "Bob" guy fwiw.  Nugs has soundboards of all the shows this tour if you sign up.  It's like $10
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Thought Bob sounded great last night (much better than I expected he would) and not sure how you avoid him singing so much in the current lineup.

 
Redwes25 said:
Thought Bob sounded great last night (much better than I expected he would) and not sure how you avoid him singing so much in the current lineup.
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Have Mayer sing all the Jerry songs, if he isn't already?

Hopefully for all in attendance, Donna was just there for a quick token backing vocal on Bertha or Playin. On second thought, skip the Playin'.

 
Redwes25 said:
Went with my brother to this show who also went to a Fare The Well show and he thought Mayer fit in much better than Trey.  
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I think Trey is a much better fit, but he was a too tight for a lot of the Fare Thee Well run. There was a ton of absurdly dysfunctional tension within the band and pressure surrounding the event and he just wasn't loose. Phil wouldn't rehearse with the others, so he didn't feel like they were able to prepare properly. For a better idea of how he plays in the GD context, check out the run he and Page did with Phil and Kimock in April '99. Or even primal Phish doing GD covers. Mayer has his moments, but he doesn't have nearly the imagination Trey does as a player. Or the darkness. He's putting in the work, but he doesn't ever seem to totally catch stride. There is a lick here and there where he and the rest of them gel at the same time, but he reverts back to his stock bluesy instincts. And as much as I love Weir as a human being an guitar player, he is abysmal as a band leader and never gets the cues right, constantly leaving Mayer to go around again and again after the natural segue back into the verse has come and gone. And come and gone again. Anyway, Trey plays wide open and is much better suited for GD music, imo.

 
PIK95 said:
Did anyone get the 7/8/78 Red Rocks Betty release?  I LOVE it and have been spinning it all week.  Today there was a release on some Nugs app that I can't get.  If someone has today's Co. show, hook me up!  TIA.
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All 22 songs from the legendary 7/8/78 show, four excerpts below:

Estimated Prophet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11BEMEEMDAE&index=12&list=PLxmCyo4jldzXGR7QlpX-Owu-4CrGxg0KB

Eyes of the World

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkydz8T5j3U&list=PLxmCyo4jldzXGR7QlpX-Owu-4CrGxg0KB&index=14

Franklin's Tower

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aznXeRpbwXQ&index=18&list=PLxmCyo4jldzXGR7QlpX-Owu-4CrGxg0KB

Terrapin Station

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu8Vadxse4Q&list=PLxmCyo4jldzXGR7QlpX-Owu-4CrGxg0KB&index=20

 
Sunshine Daydream Film, Veneta OR 8/27/72 (VIDEO 100 minutes)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunshine_Daydream

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URtCml8FHrU

Grateful Dead Movie, culled from a five night Winterland run 10/16-20/74 (VIDEO 2+ hours), immediately preceded an extended hiatus 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grateful_Dead_Movie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxUaboLIf6I

Closing Winterland 12/31/78 (VIDEO nearly 6 hours)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Closing_of_Winterland

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKzrZENiERU

* Beat Club, Bremen Germany 4/21/72 (VIDEO 80 minutes)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6Uu57h7H18 

 
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Apple Jack said:
I think Trey is a much better fit, but he was a too tight for a lot of the Fare Thee Well run. There was a ton of absurdly dysfunctional tension within the band and pressure surrounding the event and he just wasn't loose. Phil wouldn't rehearse with the others, so he didn't feel like they were able to prepare properly. For a better idea of how he plays in the GD context, check out the run he and Page did with Phil and Kimock in April '99. Or even primal Phish doing GD covers. Mayer has his moments, but he doesn't have nearly the imagination Trey does as a player. Or the darkness. He's putting in the work, but he doesn't ever seem to totally catch stride. There is a lick here and there where he and the rest of them gel at the same time, but he reverts back to his stock bluesy instincts. And as much as I love Weir as a human being an guitar player, he is abysmal as a band leader and never gets the cues right, constantly leaving Mayer to go around again and again after the natural segue back into the verse has come and gone. And come and gone again. Anyway, Trey plays wide open and is much better suited for GD music, imo.
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Was at Fare Thee Well and have seen 2 Dead & Co. shows so far. Trey was being Trey--doing Dead songs. Not a bad thing, but for me it didn't capture the Dead spirit. I get they were under rehearsed and all that, but in the end it was what it was; a great party with so-so music.

I've also heard the Phil and Trey Beacon show, and think it's cool. Like your hang up with Mayer and his bluesy instincts, I kept hearing Trey reverting to Phish jams which takes Dead songs into a whole different space for me. Not to mention his Phish talk-singing thing.

As a Mayer skeptic, he's won me over. He is a blues player, and I appreciate what his playing adds to the Dead catalog, and he is competent/ballsy enough to actually lead and get over his skis, something Warren and JK seemed to have trouble doing. I'm just glad I'm getting to be checking out live Dead music in 2016 and having a blast. Looking forward to Alpine.

 
 
Sometimes I tell myself things like - I don't like country, I don't like folk, so hadn't really given good listens to the twin '70 Americana classics Workingman's Dead and American Beauty. This was a grave mistake. :)  

* Seriously, I think I did this because I tended to listen more to certain years - '77, '73, '72, '74, etc. MOSTLY live, but when studio, generally from the run of albums starting with their new label in '73 - Wake of the Flood, Mars Hotel, probably my favorite studio title Blue For Allah, Terrapin (controversial for being too slick and overproduced to some fans taste, but led to some great streamlined, leaner and meaner live versions) and the vaguely disco-y Shakedown Street. Not much (studio or live) after '78. Not much studio before '73. Though I just listened again to early albums like Anthem For The Sun, Aoxomoxoa, Live/Dead (as well as Workingman's Dead and American Beauty - next in sequence live albums Skull and Roses AND Europe '72 are on deck) and liked them all more than I remembered. OVERALL, I confirmed still tending to prefer the '72-'78 material from their canon or body of work (but WD and AB being a dual revelation). Particularly '74 more than '72, probably '73 even more and maybe '77 most of all. They took an extended hiatus from touring in '74 for several reasons, mostly because the best in the world but staggeringly expensive "Wall Of Sound" (and ancillary personnel needed to move the acoustic infrastructure around the country) was rapidly getting out of control and becoming an albatross, but also so Jerry Garcia could edit down a feature length live concert film from over 125 hours of concert footage, culled from about a five night Winterland run that preceded their self-imposed exile from touring - it didn't premier until '77, with Garcia's debilitating combo of perfectionism/inexperience leading to a glacial, multi-year editing pace, making Terrence Malick look like Roger Corman in comparison. Though it turned out great and was well worth the wait, so there's that. They only performed like four shows in '75. I'm not as well versed on their shows in '76 and '78 (but have heard excellent material from both years).        

** One reason I'm drawn to the '73 album Wake of the Flood (and the run of albums through Shakedown Street that started with it) and the Grateful Dead movie which was again shot in '74 but not released until '77 is the song Eyes of the World, which is featured in both. Despite much prior exposure from a good friend that was a devoted Dead Head, that was the first song where I had an aha moment and felt like I "got" the band and their sound. What appealed to me and broke through the previously long standing indifference was the jazz-like improvisational soloing and interplay (actually, at times a kind of everybody solos ethos and MO like fusion groups such as Weather Report, or to put it differently, to interweave multiple musical lines almost like a Bach fugue, lending a richness and complexity highly atypical of the rock genre). That seemed to be an oft-cited stylistic hallmark of '73, this jazz-type improvisation. They certainly retained that in later years like '74 and '77 that I'm familiar with, but that is perhaps when it became more pronounced (and arguably unsurpassed). Other reasons why some might gravitate to certain eras or others (because they do have a massive body of work, I think more concerts than any group in history, and it is hard to listen to EVERYTHING, I have tried to at least sample many eras, including from the beginning, at least through '78): a preference for when favored songs debuted, personnel changes (Pigpen had his own kind of musical gravitational force before passing at a shockingly young 27 from liver failure complications in '73, and much of his most famous material was steeped in genres like soul and R & B, I actually preferred what keyboardist Keith Godchaux brought to their collective, ensemble sound, such as his classical and jazz background - his tenure, roughly coinciding with his background singer wife Donna {{as well as my favorite chunk of the Dead's body of work}}, spanned from a little before '72 and after '78), certain instrumental tonalities (Garcia used a heavily phased guitar effect called a Mu-Tron circa '77 and possibly later, which meshed perfectly with the demented, jagged, off-kilter time signature and fractured beat/groove of Bob Weir's hybrid reggae vehicle Estimated Prophet), etc.   

*** Eyes of the World excerpt from Grateful Dead Movie (VIDEO 7 minutes)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZwdf4y1b4M

Workingman's Dead (AUDIO 73 minutes)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJhIG8wc3Ok

American Beauty (AUDIO 42 minutes), note some of the prettiest pedal steel guitar work in the history of rock music, Garcia had few if any peers on the instrument at the time among his rock lead guitarist cohorts - I think band friends CSN (& Y?) "traded" his playing on one of their albums for lessons in their famous multi-part vocal harmonies, which the Dead did improve in over time.         

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-voC5IrYeAA

Pedal steel can also be heard on his '72 solo album debut, Garcia, which also included future band classics such as Deal and Sugaree (AUDIO 40 minutes)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqauQmyDxjc  

 
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Apple Jack said:
Always dug Weir shushing the crowd in Wharf Rat.
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Listening to the second set of the 7/8/78 show and everything from the playing, interplay, singing is inspired (the term on fire is overused but applicable and justified here) and the Betty Cantor sound board quality is fantastic. I was a lot more familiar with '77 (I did have the Winterland post-Egypt and New Years closing shows from '78), but this is one of my new favorite shows/sets. On deck, the night before, 7/7/78. 

 
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Anthem of the Sun '68 (AUDIO 90 minutes), lot of live bonus tracks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLPsZoF8q1U

Aoxomoxoa '69 (AUDIO 80 minutes)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfjjwlPGBAI

Live/Dead '69 (AUDIO 75 minutes)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aL-dUZJydcw

{Workingman's Dead and American Beauty three posts above} 

Grateful Dead - Skull & Roses '71 (AUDIO 80 minutes) 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZiBjTno9Uc

Europe '72 (AUDIO 150 minutes combined), two discs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZmCfm_xd8E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TdsUfJumrM

Europe '72 Vol. 2 20 tracks (AUDIO)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjxkQTXICGY&list=PLxmCyo4jldzVwM3LV1moaRydN1r9_HPtb

Wake of the Flood '73 (AUDIO 45 minutes), first studio album on their own short lived label, also with Keith and Donna?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-qZxV0dWsE

Mars Hotel '74 (AUDIO 75 minutes), some of these re-issues have nice material appended, including live here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLRwFkipvns

Blues For Allah '75 (AUDIO 60 minutes), worthwhile studio outtakes at end, though missing some

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE_hm9qKRyc

Terrapin Station '77 (AUDIO 75 minutes), includes 16 minute version of Dancin' In The Streets from the fabled 5-8-77 show at Cornell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwAEZmOl6to

Shakedown Street '78 (AUDIO 75 minutes), last studio album with Keith and Donna, live material from Egypt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmnY2FYt3HA 

5-8-77 Barton Hall, Cornell, Ithaca, NY (AUDIO 3 hours)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n5mJKEiCp0

Rocking The Cradle Egypt '78, 18 tracks (AUDIO)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFjGfyjI--M&list=PLxmCyo4jldzXj6-6KgIxN-L6UBZ2pfYiZ

 
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A couple months back, I stumbled across American Beauty and Workingman's Dead, the first two Dead albums I owned back in 1987. I'm a live music guy but what a treat it was hearing all that again. Some music can make you aware of your own mortality. This does that for me. 

 
Bob Magaw said:
Listening to the second set of the 7/8/78 show and everything from the playing, interplay, singing is inspired (the term on fire is overused but applicable and justified here) and the Betty Cantor sound board quality is fantastic. I was a lot more familiar with '77 (I did have the Winterland post-Egypt and New Years closing shows from '78), but this is one of my new favorite shows/sets. On deck, the night before, 7/7/78. 
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I'm not a huge fan of 1978, but the July Red Rocks were solid.

 
Apple Jack said:
I'm not a huge fan of 1978, but the July Red Rocks were solid.
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This Red Rocks release is my second favorite so far (Sunshine Daydream).  It's not just the sound, but the set list is almost perfect.  I keep playing it over and over.  It has even pulled me away from all the Dead and Company I have been spinning.

I played American Beauty yesterday.   Still love that Suger Magnolia just like when we wore it out in college.  Attics, Ripple, and Broke are perfection. I'm happy I threw it on.

Wake of the Flood and specifically Weather Report Suite has always been my person favorite studio moment. American Beauty came close.  Two different things, but both are perfect imo.

I have been on a 1970 kick lately.  Love the raw power and energy from almost everything that year.  Unfortunately it seems to be lacking proper soundboards thanks to "the man".  

 
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The Houseboat Tapes is a really good glimpse of the era. They were especially lean and spirited at the time. As potent and tight as any rock and roll band I've ever heard. Swiss watch GD.

 
Deal, Sugaree, and especially Viola Lee are his best moments on guitar this summer imo.  I keep waiting for him to totally rip a St. Stephen but it hasn't come together yet imo. 

  I was always a Bob guy, love his vocals. That being said, I wish he would stick to the Bob tunes and just give JM the Jerry ones.  I hate when they go back and forth.  The West L.A. Fadeaway's from last fall were hot, and it was all JM I believe.  Last time I heard them play it they were trading off vocals.  It was subpar compared to fall.  

I am also getting a little sick of all the heads on reddit saying "wow, they are so much better then the fall."  First of all, you were not listening in the fall.  You were complaining that it wasn't Jerry, and Negging it every chance you had.  Second, it wasn't worse.  It was different, but not worse.  I think it was actually better personally, but I like freestyles, creativity, and just ending up where you end up. Reddit guy, please stop with that.

 This summer feels VERY controlled and choreographed.  I still LOVE it, but I wish it was a little less unplanned.  I am really excited about Fenway and will have a great time I am sure.  Mini rant over.   

 
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