LJ = Earl Campbell ! (1 Viewer)

[jonessed]

He is a straight line north south runner. That is it.

I wish this guy Gargolyless was in my Fantsy Leagues. Did you see what they did to the #1 run defence last week? Was that screen play TD the result of any blocks from the O-line?What JWVCDvolkswagon said. Just look at all the raider fans defending this KC running back.

He blows out a CB and a Safety on a 10 yard TD run and he's Earl Cambell You give a power runner like LJ a free pass through the first three yards of the LOS and he's going to rack up some insane stats. I've never seen an offensive line as good as what KC has right now. Let him complete a few seasons before you label him one of the greatest of all time.

You would think he was the second coming of Reggie Bush already.

 

[BigRed]

Thas what I'm talkin boutLJ = Campell!LJ = Jim Brown!Bush = Faulk! (if not God)Rod Smith = HOF! yeah baby lol - GB these threads

 

[Sabertooth]

You could put the majority of starting RB's behind the Chiefs offensive line and a get a 1600+ 15+ TD RB. Larry is a good back but not a great back by any means. He hits the hole well becuase its so FRIGGEN big and he has time to make his moves alot earlier then most backs do. When LT makes a big gain, 9 out of 10 times its because he has the vision and he has to make 5-6 moves. LJ just runs through a hole, make one move and off he goes.

Not saying LJ is a bad back but he would be a bench sitter behind the majority of starting RB's in this NFL on different lines. He should feel very fortunate, he will never be an elite back in talent, but he can be with the best offensive line in football.

This is comical at best. The guy is a first round draft pick for one. So you know he has the pedigree. He's prototype size at 6-1 230. He's got the breakaway speed that Priest Holmes doesn't. He's got vision. He's a bull. He's starting 11 NFL games at has 27 touchdowns to go along with 2210 yards so far. In his career he's averaged almost a touchdown per appearance. He's the real deal.So you say he'd be behind the majority of starting NFL backs huh? Name me 17 backs (opening day starter, current starters, or backups) that would put him on the bench.

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[KTM]

Outside of the original poster, I think all of the LJ supporters in here are agreeing that LJ <> Campbell (I hate comparisions to begin with). They're just here to defend against the haters...

 

[Gargoylez]

Thats too easy. About 15 you get into a grey area.1. Ladainian Tomlinson 2. Alexander 3. Edgerin James 4. Clinton Portis5. Tiki Barber6. Duece McCallister7. Willis McGahee - Stronger with better vision.8. Dominick Davis - Has done ALOT with absolutely nothing.9. Jamal Lewis - Season starting he was top 5. I still think he is.10. Caddilac Williams - Faster, way better vision and better third down back.11. Corey Dillon - If Healthy.12. Thomas Jones - Better all around back.13. Priest Holmes - Started this year and probably will start next if he doesnt retire.14. Stephen Jackson - Better talent, but arguable.15. Ronnie Brown - Maybe a stretch, maybe even Ricky Williams in here. COnsidering how well he has done behind a make shift Oline.16. Ricky Williams - Arguable here. But he has done very well with a much worse line.17. Curtis MArtin - Washed up but considering he had no passing offense to get people off the line. Not saying Martin would start... but it would be closer then you think.18. F.Taylor - When healthy. It would be a toss up.If you want to argue stats, DONT BOTHER. Go play Madden 2006 and live in your lollipop world. You want to talk about running 7 yards in a straight line and bulling over a 180lb CB? Then fine, that is Larry Johnson. He is a good back in an amazing system that is making the most out of the opportunity given to him. at LEAST 13 backs better and about 4-5 that are even or just about as good in the league. Running straight threw gaping hoiles doesn't make him comparable to the all time greats, I find it very humorous. Thanks for the chuckle.BTW I am not "hating" LJ. He is a GOOD back, but I find it ignorant to be comparing him to the greats of the NFL. Put ANY of those greats behind the Chiefs line we are talking 2000+ 25+ TD's in a BAD year. I guess some people don't understand the concept and they just can't step away from the stats. In 3 years if he is still doing what he is doing with a inferior line, much inferiro line which would make them average... then I will gladly eat crow. But he most likely will fall off the map. Quickly.

 

[Futeki]

Thats too easy. About 15 you get into a grey area.

1. Ladainian Tomlinson

2. Alexander

3. Edgerin James

4. Clinton Portis

5. Tiki Barber

6. Duece McCallister

7. Willis McGahee - Stronger with better vision.

8. Dominick Davis - Has done ALOT with absolutely nothing.

9. Jamal Lewis - Season starting he was top 5. I still think he is.

10. Caddilac Williams - Faster, way better vision and better third down back.

11. Corey Dillon - If Healthy.

12. Thomas Jones - Better all around back.

13. Priest Holmes - Started this year and probably will start next if he doesnt retire.

14. Stephen Jackson - Better talent, but arguable.

15. Ronnie Brown - Maybe a stretch, maybe even Ricky Williams in here. COnsidering how well he has done behind a make shift Oline.

16. Ricky Williams - Arguable here. But he has done very well with a much worse line.

17. Curtis MArtin - Washed up but considering he had no passing offense to get people off the line. Not saying Martin would start... but it would be closer then you think.

18. F.Taylor - When healthy. It would be a toss up.

If you want to argue stats, DONT BOTHER. Go play Madden 2006 and live in your lollipop world. You want to talk about running 7 yards in a straight line and bulling over a 180lb CB? Then fine, that is Larry Johnson. He is a good back in an amazing system that is making the most out of the opportunity given to him. at LEAST 13 backs better and about 4-5 that are even or just about as good in the league. Running straight threw gaping hoiles doesn't make him comparable to the all time greats, I find it very humorous. Thanks for the chuckle.

BTW I am not "hating" LJ. He is a GOOD back, but I find it ignorant to be comparing him to the greats of the NFL. Put ANY of those greats behind the Chiefs line we are talking 2000+ 25+ TD's in a BAD year. I guess some people don't understand the concept and they just can't step away from the stats. In 3 years if he is still doing what he is doing with a inferior line, much inferiro line which would make them average... then I will gladly eat crow. But he most likely will fall off the map. Quickly.

I am not comparing LJ to those greats. You, however, just did.You continue to fail to realize that LJ has only started 8 games this year. His seasonal stats for 16 starts would be 2300 rushing yards, 50 catches for 510 yards, and 28 total TDs. He is performing better than those "greats" you quoted would.

Go figure.

 

[hxperson]

I don't in any way believe LJ is as good as Earl Campbell. But your argument is a little too biased against LJ. Here are the points I strongly disagree with:

7. Willis McGahee - Stronger with better vision.

10. Caddilac Williams - Faster, way better vision and better third down back.

I've been watching LJ quite a bit throughout this year. To me, one of his most impressive attributes (and areas of improvement) has been his patience and his ability find a way to gain extra yards. I don't understand why you are knocking LJ's vision. I've watched McGahee too this year too plenty of times (we get all the buffalo games here in Toronto). I really don't see the difference between these two players at all in this regard.

13. Priest Holmes - Started this year and probably will start next if he doesnt retire.

It is apparent from your list that you believe that you believe putting up mediocre stats behind a mediocre or bad O-line is better than putting up phenomenal stats behind a very good O-line. But why doesn't Priest get the same "good O-line" discount that you are giving Larry Johnson? LJ put up better stats than Priest did this year behind the exact same O-line, and has arguably put up better, and more consistent, stats during these last 8 games than Priest has EVER put up over an 8 game period in his tenure as the starting RB in KC. Also, why doesn't Shawn Alexander get the same discount as LJ?

9. Jamal Lewis - Season starting he was top 5. I still think he is.

17. Curtis MArtin - Washed up but considering he had no passing offense to get people off the line. Not saying Martin would start... but it would be closer then you think.

18. F.Taylor - When healthy. It would be a toss up.

These three are really quite a stretch, imo. All three have slowed down considerably. Lewis, in particular, has looking horrible this year. If you want to knock anyone's vision, it would be Lewis. He has been very tentative running the ball.

 

[bobspruill]

LJ is no Earl Campbell. Earl was the most punishing back I've ever seen in my life...I'm 41 and my Father had season tickets. This is how Earl would finish many of his runs...

http://www.geocities.com/dali_sherpas/Earl.avi

sweet

 

[modus]

10. Caddilac Williams - Faster, way better vision and better third down back.

Do you watch Tampa games? Caddy gets all his yards at the end of the game, and he usually averages around 2 to 3 yards a carry in the first three quarters. The majority of his runs are straight up in the middle of a pile.Also, Pittman is the third down back in Tampa so I'm not sure how you figure Caddy is a good third down back.

 

[Gargoylez]

GOOD VISION???

So running threw a gaping hole (if you need to see it, watch ANY Hi-Lights of ANY KC games) means he has good vision. Yeah of course he can see a CB coming from 10 yards deep. DUH!

Ill drop this now. Its obvious no one can really see what is going on. Good Back in a great system. PERIOD. Not a hard concept to grab.

If you knock it down to SIMPLE fantasy play... Johnson=Alexander=Tomlinson. That I will agree with 100%. I wouldnt even argue that Johnson would be a fantasy #1 pick.

Put Jamal Lewis in with the threat of a passing game and what do you get??? In two games with Boller lighting it up...

J. Lewis 46 179 4.0 1

With a much less offensive line. I would double that in a KC jersey. Which is equal or better then LJ. But its definately arguable.

And Caddy is a better reciever then Johnson, IMO. He has better speed and yes better vision. AGAIN I ask that you pay attention to the offensive team around the player. N o one is ever going to compare the Buccaneers line with the Chiefs line, nor will you ever compare KC's passing attack with Tampa Bays.

To each is own. If you feel he is an all time great... then thats fine. I on the other hand will wait, and see. I only see a good back running through gaping holes and running over DB's.

Lastly. I NEVER said he is terrible, or sucks or anything like that. I imagine all of you assume I am, I am mearly trying to point out the obvious, and say lets wait until he is in a lesser system or has a line less then the best in football and THEN see what the kid can do.

 

[joffer]

LJ has a certain running style that gives the impression that he's not very quick or shifty. I saw it at Penn State and have wondered what exactly it is, but I've never been able to put my finger on it.

The KC running system is right up there with Denver's as the best in the league, and there's no doubt that his numbers benefit from that. However, his production is unquestionable, and there's also no doubt that the guy is very talented.

Trying to label him "very good" or "great" is a pointless exercise. The bottom line is that until we see him in a different system for comparison, all we have are his numbers to go by, and his numbers so far are flat out awesome

 

[ericttspikes]

GOOD VISION???

So running threw a gaping hole (if you need to see it, watch ANY Hi-Lights of ANY KC games) means he has good vision. Yeah of course he can see a CB coming from 10 yards deep. DUH!

Ill drop this now. Its obvious no one can really see what is going on. Good Back in a great system. PERIOD. Not a hard concept to grab.

If you knock it down to SIMPLE fantasy play... Johnson=Alexander=Tomlinson. That I will agree with 100%. I wouldnt even argue that Johnson would be a fantasy #1 pick.

Put Jamal Lewis in with the threat of a passing game and what do you get??? In two games with Boller lighting it up...

J. Lewis 46 179 4.0 1

With a much less offensive line. I would double that in a KC jersey. Which is equal or better then LJ. But its definately arguable.

And Caddy is a better reciever then Johnson, IMO. He has better speed and yes better vision. AGAIN I ask that you pay attention to the offensive team around the player. N o one is ever going to compare the Buccaneers line with the Chiefs line, nor will you ever compare KC's passing attack with Tampa Bays.

To each is own. If you feel he is an all time great... then thats fine. I on the other hand will wait, and see. I only see a good back running through gaping holes and running over DB's.

Lastly. I NEVER said he is terrible, or sucks or anything like that. I imagine all of you assume I am, I am mearly trying to point out the obvious, and say lets wait until he is in a lesser system or has a line less then the best in football and THEN see what the kid can do.

Off topic, but what exactly is wrong with Balt's O line? Who did they lose? Ogden is still there. They got real bad, really fast.

 

[Gargoylez]

LJ has a certain running style that gives the impression that he's not very quick or shifty. I saw it at Penn State and have wondered what exactly it is, but I've never been able to put my finger on it.

The KC running system is right up there with Denver's as the best in the league, and there's no doubt that his numbers benefit from that. However, his production is unquestionable, and there's also no doubt that the guy is very talented.

Trying to label him "very good" or "great" is a pointless exercise. The bottom line is that until we see him in a different system for comparison, all we have are his numbers to go by, and his numbers so far are flat out awesome

I would agree to that.

 

[Texasmouth]

I cna actually remember watching Earl Campbell granted I was only like 5 - 8 years onld at the time but I do remember seeign the man destroy all would be talkers by simply running over them then right past them !

LJ is not the short yardage runner yet that Earl was - not saying LJ sucks at short yarage either just he needs a little work -- but I have yet to see a runner run literally with such MEAN intentions as LJ since Earl Campbell ! It takes 3 people to bring this guy down at least in the open field and he carrys guys 10 yards .

If the chiefs even think about making Priest a RBBC guy in 06 they are total idiots LJ is maybe the #1 RB in the NFL right now or at least the last 8 weeks.

You obviously don't remember just how great Earl Campbell was. LJ is a very good back playing with a Great OL and Offensive scheme. Big difference.

If anything, Larry Johnson is the new Emmitt Smith.

Uhhh, not even close. Emmitt never ran over anyone. He ran around or past them but never over anyone. LJ is a lot closer to Campbell than Emmitt. Bad comparison.

 

[Texasmouth]

they would best be served as having LJ be the #1 back, and Priest the 3rd down and give breathers

I think this would be really successful. What a great third down back! Of Course fantasy nerds would be up in arms but I think this is a great idea and I think the two guys would put up monster roles in this situation.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I really want to start a thread about Tatum Bell = Earl Campbell (by the transitive property of equality), but I won't.

 

[Tackling Dummies]

I really want to start a thread about Tatum Bell = Earl Campbell (by the transitive property of equality), but I won't.

Tatum Bell = Emmitt Smith.

 

[Routilla]

LJ is so good I am surprised some people say it's the KC OL. Ha ha. I think a lot of folks failed to draft LJ and got beaten by the guy who sacked up and used a 4th rd pick to get him(me). Go LJ my new franchise.

 

[Sopranos]

I like LJ and LT2 and the other great RB's but Many think Campbells 1980 season was the best EVER for a RB..Here are his stats..

4 200 yard games

http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/member.jsp?player_id=40