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madviking10
Footballguy
Hey LJ owners, what would you think about in trade for him right now? I cannot believe hes THAT bad and am thinking about trying to pick him up this week in both my leagues. What players would you take for him at this point?
Tau837
Footballguy
I have him and I wouldn't take anything that would likely be offered at this point. I'd rather keep him and wait for him to emerge. It helps that I am 3-1 and have a decent chance to go to 4-1 this week.
desert rose
Footballguy
I'm so ashamed. I have him in a dynasty league that started up in 2006 and used my 1.01 pick on him. 
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I don't like Herm, but in his defense they are facing a awful lot of 8 man fronts. If the QB/O-Line situation was better LJ would be doing pretty good.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
What concerns me is that this line seems much more adept at pass blocking than run blocking. They are getting ZERO push. The passing game/QB are NOT the problem - Huard/Gonzalez/Bowe, etc look BETTER than last year. The run game is the problem. They need to do some misdirection to give LJ a chance. Teams are just pouncing on him, especially on screens.
The passing game looks better beacuse there is 7 or 8 in the box every play. Teams are worried about LJ beating them, not Huard.
In every game this season KC has fallen behind by 10 points fairly early. In this copy-cat league the Colts last year committed to stopping LJ and forcing KC to pass and it worked. They got up quickly and KC simply finds itself having to pass early to establish the run. By then it's behind and has to pass anyway. The only time they had a lead to ice late is when they beat San Diego and coincidently LJ put up a respectable bottom line. While their string of facing top defenses ends they will continue to face teams that can put them behind early while stopping the run early. Living in KC I am forced to endure all of their games on TV.
Meanwhile, I own LJ in 2 of 9 money leagues ... one is a redraft where I am 3-2 the other either 1-4 or 2-3 depending on the Packers and Cowboys outputs. In this 10 team dynasty I've won it 3 years running having drafted LT2 and snagging LJ off waivers that same year. I've got ADP and Turner to keep the dynasty going however this year finally owning LJ and LT2 is far from optimal so far.
Meanwhile, I own LJ in 2 of 9 money leagues ... one is a redraft where I am 3-2 the other either 1-4 or 2-3 depending on the Packers and Cowboys outputs. In this 10 team dynasty I've won it 3 years running having drafted LT2 and snagging LJ off waivers that same year. I've got ADP and Turner to keep the dynasty going however this year finally owning LJ and LT2 is far from optimal so far.
-Crippler-
Footballguy
Tough run defenses so far.
It will get much better very soon. I'm trying to trade for him.
It will get much better very soon. I'm trying to trade for him.
The difference being Green was the QB, and after he got hurt Huard with no film was in. Teams have film on Huard now and know his tendancies. Also the O-line is another year older and slower
Was it David Dodds or Joe Bryant who said before the season to wait until after week 5 and then go get LJ? I wonder if he is still thinking this is a good idea but my guess would be yes because this is exactly the situation he had in mind.
CBS doesn't allow trades once the games start but one the other owners in my league offered me LJ for Sammy Morris, which I am going to accept. I just hope the other owner doesn't come to his senses before Tuesday.
CBS doesn't allow trades once the games start but one the other owners in my league offered me LJ for Sammy Morris, which I am going to accept. I just hope the other owner doesn't come to his senses before Tuesday.
NeverEnough
Footballguy
I was offered Lynch for Him & turned it down. I am trying to move SA for Lynch instead.I won't take anything less than a tier 1 player for LJ. So I am holding.madviking10 said:
Hellfire Snail
Footballguy
LJ lovers are a pretty fierce breed around here. Even now the battle-cry is that now is the time to trade for him and things will get better.
Tomlinson at #1, Jackson at #2 are both busts at this point. You still can't pass them up, who else would you have taken? Addai?? LJ still had more points this week then Addai did.
Just put in an offer for him. i think his best days are ahead of him, he has a more favorable schedule from here on out. I think its kind of like Evans (but on a higher level obv). What a current disappointment, but down the stretch this guy could pave the way to a trophy.madviking10 said:
mlball77
Footballguy
I think LJ will pick it up quite a bit. However, it just doesn't appear that he can reproduce what he has done the last couple of years. He might be a guy to target for a trade, but I sort of doubt any LJ owners are looking to move him at a reasonable price (yet). When you take a guy #3 overall, you don't give up on him very easily (or most don't anyway).
Macdaddy_2004
Footballguy
LJ owners - would you bite if someone offered you MJD?
azngangster
Footballguy
I still wouldn't take MJD for him, because I would still take the guy who is the feature back over the one who is in a full blown RBBC.
NatronIsMean
Footballguy
Joke, right?
NatronIsMean
Footballguy
No way someone would do that IMO. Anyone with LJ would probably only trade him for another RB, as he's their first round pick and would leave a big hole at RB.As nice as it is to have an elite TE (I luckily nabbed Witten), LJ with the remaining schedule will require an elite QB or WR or a 1st tier RB IMO (perhaps ending at Marion Barber).
Diamond One
Footballguy
Might as well rename this one the "LJ Owner Here: I'm In Denial And Proud Of It" or Little Orphan Fantasy Football Annie's "Tomorrow, Tomorrow, The Chiefs Will Get Their Crap Together Tomorrow" thread...
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NatronIsMean
Footballguy
Do what you want. Trade him for MJD or Gates if you think that'll work. I just don't think those two trades would make an LJ owner's team any better. Call this being a clueless LJ owner thing if you want, but the facts are still:- LJ is very, very talented- the schedule gets a LOT, not a little, better- the chiefs have played against the 1st (MIN), 7th (HOU), 8th (SD), 12th (JAX) and 28th (CHI) best teams against the run. And the Jags were VERY skewed by several key injuries in week one, as they gave up 241 on the ground, then 80 to ATL and 50 to DEN.So make your "LJ owners with heads in the sand" comments, but I'll continue to go with what seems to better my team, and right now that is sticking with LJ.Are there worries? Sure. But the key: What are you getting in return, and how are the prospects for that replacement?
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Raiders Fan
The Black Hole
I have him in 2 of my 4 leagues.. I made a post to the LJ owner in one of the leagues I don't have him asking what he wanted.. I mocked him prior to season for trading his 1st round pick for him.. While I got Brown using my last pick in round 2.. He will be 2-3 this year and lucky on a weak win this week and I am 4-1 with highest points.. I even have Jackson too..
munchkin
Footballguy
The Pats O-Line has been like that in the past as well. This is the first year they have looked solid blocking in both phases. KCdoes not seem to have any offensive rhythm. Jacksonville has a really solid defense. Hard for an inexperienced offense to beat them. KC's main targets are a rookie and a TE who likely has blocking responsibilities. This is not a good scenario for offensive output.Judge Smails said:
Hellfire Snail
Footballguy
YesDoes this mean LJ is a bust or that he's still awesome?
j ViLLA x PE
Footballguy
The LJ owner in my owner league officially announced him being placed on the trading block. Luckily i had his AIM, so i was able to talk negotiations. My best offer without "overpaying" was Marvin Harrison and Sammy Morris, all his other offers he's received around the league were low balling deals.I got Morris off waivers after week 1 before he blew up so it didn't cost me much. And i recieved Harrrison from trading my 5th round pick. Braylon for Portis. Then Portis to another owner for Harrison.He got 3 days to think about the deal. I hope it goes thru and i hope no one thinks i over payed for him
NatronIsMean
Footballguy
For lazy owners there's probably panic. For all others, there's not. Basically, the schedule and offensive growing pains tell the main story of the first 5 weeks. Again, it comes down to what you can get for him. I didn't stick with LJ through this time that I knew would difficult just to let him go. I've put the time in, and hope to reap now.
Londo
Footballguy
I own LJ in a dynasty league and a redraft. I would have accepted your offer in the redraft (pre Jordan and Harrison injuries of course) but no way do I move LJ in a dynasty for almost anything. His value is at an all time low and that is the worst possible time for trading him away if you are a smart LJ owner. In most redrafts, the LJ owner is likely not doing so hot right now. If you have a decent #2 RB (i.e. someone in the 8-15 range) and a servicable WR, I would put them out there and see if the LJ owner bites. LJ does indeed have a softer schedule from this point out and trading for him might be the move that puts a deep team over the top. In a dynasty league, you better come with a good offer; something in the neighborhood of a 1st rounder (or 2), a good young RB prospect, and probably something else (depending on your depth and their team needs) - otherwise I won't even entertain the offer. This is just one humble LJ owners value system. Hope it helps...
coolnerd
Footballguy
Larry Johnson already had the magical run of nine or ten 100 yards games with bunches of TDs late in 2005 season as replacement for Priest H. That is a run that is probably going to happen only once in a player career as everything has to line-up perfectly for have that type of production. I feel like many people are expecting this to happen.
Last year, Johnson at least was scoring ugly in games, pretty much no matter wh he faced. Now, that is not even occuring. While the schedule may make it easier for Johnson to play better, this probably only means closer to scoring ugly than it does a return to the uberstud LJ.
Last year, Johnson at least was scoring ugly in games, pretty much no matter wh he faced. Now, that is not even occuring. While the schedule may make it easier for Johnson to play better, this probably only means closer to scoring ugly than it does a return to the uberstud LJ.
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
<------------ Going down with the LJ ship.
NatronIsMean
Footballguy
True, but lets put that in perspective. Scoring ugly last year put him in the top 3 player in fantasy and won me a title. And it wasn't close: LT 451, SJax 369, LJ 348, Manning 305, Westy 290.Since he's the lone ranger in that backfield, if he can get back to ugly success that would be mighty fine.BTW, the Croyle-era scares me a little... I think that'll hurt LJ, but we'll see.
coolnerd
Footballguy
But any run of scoring ugly won't put Johnson there this year. Many (not all) Johnson owners are already in the hole. At this point, the ugly (22 for 67 1 TD 3 catches for 28 yard) 16-17 point game will certainly be a vast improvement but may not be enough to justify the draft position, what people are asking in trade, and truly get the player out of the mess of depending on him. The point of drafting a Larry Johnson (assuming health) is that his ugly games are among his lesser ones, not waiting for the schedule to ease up so he can actually score a touchdown.NatronIsMean said:
NatronIsMean
Footballguy
Well, it is what it is. I'm a keeper league owner. I'm not trying to justify his ADP, which at this point is a moot issue for me. Looking forward, I'm hopeful when comparing him to the other backs out there. Man, it's amazing how few RBs are looking very solid right now. Considering the other options, I still think he can come up huge 2nd half.
NatronIsMean
Footballguy
What a deal you got. That Chicago situation... no thanks now or next year, as the line is getting VERY old. Calvin is nice upside, but doesn't make the difference IMO.
