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Loaning a chick money 9/9/16 - Bye (4 Viewers)

The way Ron presented it to his wife he was taking the blame for Angie to be Batass crazy. Should not have taken the fall for her behavior, IMHO. I don't blame his wife for the way she responded. He played it smooth with the other chick that was butting into his marriage, but this time he dropped the ball. Of course that happens when you play in the mine fields.
Well to be fair, he did a lot of stuff with Angie that falls into the boy-friend category and didn't tell his wife. Helping her move? Stupid. Shoulda left her to figure it out. Bailing her out? Also stupid. Seriously, do you really blame the girl for thinking he has more than casual feelings for her after all that?
I don't see either of those as mistakes on our hero's part. As far as he knew they were just FWB'ing it at the time. If you have a friend with great benefits, and you'd like to keep benefitting all over those benefits... Then you help her out when she needs a favor.
I don't think you understand the FWB thing. They get together and F without the complications of a relationship. Helping someone move, bailing someone outta jail, giving them cash for drinks, etc are complications of having a GF, not of FWB. Keeping her happy was the loan of 3 racks.
No, those are complications of hving a friend. Girlfriend complications are things like monogamy, holidays with family, etc.

Guys help friends move, get out of jail, buy each other drinks all the time. Women, however, wouldn't show up to help move a piece of furniture unless an engagement ring was under it. Hence the confusion here.
I'll disagree. Guys help other guys/girls move but they don't rent the truck, hire the movers and take care of things while their friend says "whoops". Guys buy each other drinks but none of the guys I know would give another guy cash for drinks when they aren't drinking together. Hey, John, after bailing you outta jail, why don't you take this 40 and have a round on me?

Yeah, idiotic. And I've helped plenty of people move, guy.
If you bailed a buddy out of jail and had other things you had to do, you're telling me you wouldn't drop him off at a bar, hand him some cash and tell him to have one on you? I would. I suspect most of the guys in this thread would.I stand by my statement. Different concepts of friends. I also agree with the above poster that there's a difference between a FWB and a FB. This chick is clearly being treated as a friend, not a ####buddy.

 
'iamsmilin said:
'cstu said:
'iamsmilin said:
'jon_mx said:
The way Ron presented it to his wife he was taking the blame for Angie to be Batass crazy. Should not have taken the fall for her behavior, IMHO. I don't blame his wife for the way she responded. He played it smooth with the other chick that was butting into his marriage, but this time he dropped the ball. Of course that happens when you play in the mine fields.
Well to be fair, he did a lot of stuff with Angie that falls into the boy-friend category and didn't tell his wife. Helping her move? Stupid. Shoulda left her to figure it out. Bailing her out? Also stupid. Seriously, do you really blame the girl for thinking he has more than casual feelings for her after all that?
Isn't the stuff she's doing falling into GF category? This woman wants her pie and to eat it too.
Agreed. However, she sounds more forth coming with her activities than he is. Could be a perception thing since all the stories are of him and Angie.
We only know what our GB Ron knows. As we all know women are a lot smarter than men when it comes to this stuff. Having known lesbians myself I have a hard time believing that she's not developing emotional relationships with these women.
 
'Henry Ford said:
'iamsmilin said:
'Henry Ford said:
'iamsmilin said:
'Frankbot said:
'iamsmilin said:
'jon_mx said:
The way Ron presented it to his wife he was taking the blame for Angie to be Batass crazy. Should not have taken the fall for her behavior, IMHO. I don't blame his wife for the way she responded. He played it smooth with the other chick that was butting into his marriage, but this time he dropped the ball. Of course that happens when you play in the mine fields.
Well to be fair, he did a lot of stuff with Angie that falls into the boy-friend category and didn't tell his wife. Helping her move? Stupid. Shoulda left her to figure it out. Bailing her out? Also stupid. Seriously, do you really blame the girl for thinking he has more than casual feelings for her after all that?
I don't see either of those as mistakes on our hero's part. As far as he knew they were just FWB'ing it at the time. If you have a friend with great benefits, and you'd like to keep benefitting all over those benefits... Then you help her out when she needs a favor.
I don't think you understand the FWB thing. They get together and F without the complications of a relationship. Helping someone move, bailing someone outta jail, giving them cash for drinks, etc are complications of having a GF, not of FWB. Keeping her happy was the loan of 3 racks.
No, those are complications of hving a friend. Girlfriend complications are things like monogamy, holidays with family, etc.

Guys help friends move, get out of jail, buy each other drinks all the time. Women, however, wouldn't show up to help move a piece of furniture unless an engagement ring was under it. Hence the confusion here.
I'll disagree. Guys help other guys/girls move but they don't rent the truck, hire the movers and take care of things while their friend says "whoops". Guys buy each other drinks but none of the guys I know would give another guy cash for drinks when they aren't drinking together. Hey, John, after bailing you outta jail, why don't you take this 40 and have a round on me?

Yeah, idiotic. And I've helped plenty of people move, guy.
If you bailed a buddy out of jail and had other things you had to do, you're telling me you wouldn't drop him off at a bar, hand him some cash and tell him to have one on you? I would. I suspect most of the guys in this thread would.I stand by my statement. Different concepts of friends. I also agree with the above poster that there's a difference between a FWB and a FB. This chick is clearly being treated as a friend, not a ####buddy.
I suspect you are wrong. What are you a nancy boy who has to hold your friend's hands. From a female perspective Smilen has always givin a great insight from the other side.
 
'Henry Ford said:
'iamsmilin said:
'Henry Ford said:
'iamsmilin said:
'Frankbot said:
'iamsmilin said:
'jon_mx said:
The way Ron presented it to his wife he was taking the blame for Angie to be Batass crazy. Should not have taken the fall for her behavior, IMHO. I don't blame his wife for the way she responded. He played it smooth with the other chick that was butting into his marriage, but this time he dropped the ball. Of course that happens when you play in the mine fields.
Well to be fair, he did a lot of stuff with Angie that falls into the boy-friend category and didn't tell his wife. Helping her move? Stupid. Shoulda left her to figure it out. Bailing her out? Also stupid. Seriously, do you really blame the girl for thinking he has more than casual feelings for her after all that?
I don't see either of those as mistakes on our hero's part. As far as he knew they were just FWB'ing it at the time. If you have a friend with great benefits, and you'd like to keep benefitting all over those benefits... Then you help her out when she needs a favor.
I don't think you understand the FWB thing. They get together and F without the complications of a relationship. Helping someone move, bailing someone outta jail, giving them cash for drinks, etc are complications of having a GF, not of FWB. Keeping her happy was the loan of 3 racks.
No, those are complications of hving a friend. Girlfriend complications are things like monogamy, holidays with family, etc.

Guys help friends move, get out of jail, buy each other drinks all the time. Women, however, wouldn't show up to help move a piece of furniture unless an engagement ring was under it. Hence the confusion here.
I'll disagree. Guys help other guys/girls move but they don't rent the truck, hire the movers and take care of things while their friend says "whoops". Guys buy each other drinks but none of the guys I know would give another guy cash for drinks when they aren't drinking together. Hey, John, after bailing you outta jail, why don't you take this 40 and have a round on me?

Yeah, idiotic. And I've helped plenty of people move, guy.
If you bailed a buddy out of jail and had other things you had to do, you're telling me you wouldn't drop him off at a bar, hand him some cash and tell him to have one on you? I would. I suspect most of the guys in this thread would.I stand by my statement. Different concepts of friends. I also agree with the above poster that there's a difference between a FWB and a FB. This chick is clearly being treated as a friend, not a ####buddy.
I suspect you are wrong. What are you a nancy boy who has to hold your friend's hands. From a female perspective Smilen has always givin a great insight from the other side.
:thumbup:
 
'Henry Ford said:
'iamsmilin said:
'Henry Ford said:
'iamsmilin said:
'Frankbot said:
'iamsmilin said:
'jon_mx said:
The way Ron presented it to his wife he was taking the blame for Angie to be Batass crazy. Should not have taken the fall for her behavior, IMHO. I don't blame his wife for the way she responded. He played it smooth with the other chick that was butting into his marriage, but this time he dropped the ball. Of course that happens when you play in the mine fields.
Well to be fair, he did a lot of stuff with Angie that falls into the boy-friend category and didn't tell his wife. Helping her move? Stupid. Shoulda left her to figure it out. Bailing her out? Also stupid. Seriously, do you really blame the girl for thinking he has more than casual feelings for her after all that?
I don't see either of those as mistakes on our hero's part. As far as he knew they were just FWB'ing it at the time. If you have a friend with great benefits, and you'd like to keep benefitting all over those benefits... Then you help her out when she needs a favor.
I don't think you understand the FWB thing. They get together and F without the complications of a relationship. Helping someone move, bailing someone outta jail, giving them cash for drinks, etc are complications of having a GF, not of FWB. Keeping her happy was the loan of 3 racks.
No, those are complications of hving a friend. Girlfriend complications are things like monogamy, holidays with family, etc.

Guys help friends move, get out of jail, buy each other drinks all the time. Women, however, wouldn't show up to help move a piece of furniture unless an engagement ring was under it. Hence the confusion here.
I'll disagree. Guys help other guys/girls move but they don't rent the truck, hire the movers and take care of things while their friend says "whoops". Guys buy each other drinks but none of the guys I know would give another guy cash for drinks when they aren't drinking together. Hey, John, after bailing you outta jail, why don't you take this 40 and have a round on me?

Yeah, idiotic. And I've helped plenty of people move, guy.
If you bailed a buddy out of jail and had other things you had to do, you're telling me you wouldn't drop him off at a bar, hand him some cash and tell him to have one on you? I would. I suspect most of the guys in this thread would.I stand by my statement. Different concepts of friends. I also agree with the above poster that there's a difference between a FWB and a FB. This chick is clearly being treated as a friend, not a ####buddy.
I suspect you are wrong. What are you a nancy boy who has to hold your friend's hands. From a female perspective Smilen has always givin a great insight from the other side.
Okay. And her perspective is tht she wouldn't buy a buddy she just got out of jail a drink. You consider that the majority position for men, too, then great. I'm wrong in thinking guys help each other move, get each other out of jail, and buy rounds of drinks without expecting sex or a relationship.

Otherwise, what she's giving is exactly what you're saying - the female perspective. Which is often different from the male perspective.

 
:popcorn: This has been a great thread
Think about how much better it will be when AZ Ron gets separated from wifey and turns back into the bachelor playa that he was**I sincerely hope his marriage can last, but based on the last post, not sure.
 
'Henry Ford said:
'iamsmilin said:
'Henry Ford said:
'iamsmilin said:
'Frankbot said:
'iamsmilin said:
'jon_mx said:
The way Ron presented it to his wife he was taking the blame for Angie to be Batass crazy. Should not have taken the fall for her behavior, IMHO. I don't blame his wife for the way she responded. He played it smooth with the other chick that was butting into his marriage, but this time he dropped the ball. Of course that happens when you play in the mine fields.
Well to be fair, he did a lot of stuff with Angie that falls into the boy-friend category and didn't tell his wife. Helping her move? Stupid. Shoulda left her to figure it out. Bailing her out? Also stupid. Seriously, do you really blame the girl for thinking he has more than casual feelings for her after all that?
I don't see either of those as mistakes on our hero's part. As far as he knew they were just FWB'ing it at the time. If you have a friend with great benefits, and you'd like to keep benefitting all over those benefits... Then you help her out when she needs a favor.
I don't think you understand the FWB thing. They get together and F without the complications of a relationship. Helping someone move, bailing someone outta jail, giving them cash for drinks, etc are complications of having a GF, not of FWB. Keeping her happy was the loan of 3 racks.
No, those are complications of hving a friend. Girlfriend complications are things like monogamy, holidays with family, etc.

Guys help friends move, get out of jail, buy each other drinks all the time. Women, however, wouldn't show up to help move a piece of furniture unless an engagement ring was under it. Hence the confusion here.
I'll disagree. Guys help other guys/girls move but they don't rent the truck, hire the movers and take care of things while their friend says "whoops". Guys buy each other drinks but none of the guys I know would give another guy cash for drinks when they aren't drinking together. Hey, John, after bailing you outta jail, why don't you take this 40 and have a round on me?

Yeah, idiotic. And I've helped plenty of people move, guy.
If you bailed a buddy out of jail and had other things you had to do, you're telling me you wouldn't drop him off at a bar, hand him some cash and tell him to have one on you? I would. I suspect most of the guys in this thread would.I stand by my statement. Different concepts of friends. I also agree with the above poster that there's a difference between a FWB and a FB. This chick is clearly being treated as a friend, not a ####buddy.
I suspect you are wrong. What are you a nancy boy who has to hold your friend's hands. From a female perspective Smilen has always givin a great insight from the other side.
:boxing: :popcorn:

 
Okay. And her perspective is tht she wouldn't buy a buddy she just got out of jail a drink. You consider that the majority position for men, too, then great. I'm wrong in thinking guys help each other move, get each other out of jail, and buy rounds of drinks without expecting sex or a relationship.Otherwise, what she's giving is exactly what you're saying - the female perspective. Which is often different from the male perspective.
You know, I've never really had to bail out anyone from jail so this is my persepective. But I would probably drop them off at home if I couldn't hang with them. I dunno, dropping somoene off at a bar after bailing them outta jail seems like a bad idea. :shrug: If that makes me female, well ok.
 
Okay. And her perspective is tht she wouldn't buy a buddy she just got out of jail a drink. You consider that the majority position for men, too, then great. I'm wrong in thinking guys help each other move, get each other out of jail, and buy rounds of drinks without expecting sex or a relationship.Otherwise, what she's giving is exactly what you're saying - the female perspective. Which is often different from the male perspective.
You know, I've never really had to bail out anyone from jail so this is my persepective. But I would probably drop them off at home if I couldn't hang with them. I dunno, dropping somoene off at a bar after bailing them outta jail seems like a bad idea. :shrug: If that makes me female, well ok.
I'd be pissed just having to bail them out of jail, let alone bring them home or give them a double sawbuck at the bar. Then again, I don't have to worry about it since I view friends as baggage to begin with.
 
Okay. And her perspective is tht she wouldn't buy a buddy she just got out of jail a drink. You consider that the majority position for men, too, then great. I'm wrong in thinking guys help each other move, get each other out of jail, and buy rounds of drinks without expecting sex or a relationship.Otherwise, what she's giving is exactly what you're saying - the female perspective. Which is often different from the male perspective.
You know, I've never really had to bail out anyone from jail so this is my persepective. But I would probably drop them off at home if I couldn't hang with them. I dunno, dropping somoene off at a bar after bailing them outta jail seems like a bad idea. :shrug: If that makes me female, well ok.
If I just bailed out someone then I sure as hell wouldn't drop them off at a bar and give them money to boot.
 
'Henry Ford said:
'iamsmilin said:
'Henry Ford said:
'iamsmilin said:
'Frankbot said:
'iamsmilin said:
'jon_mx said:
The way Ron presented it to his wife he was taking the blame for Angie to be Batass crazy. Should not have taken the fall for her behavior, IMHO. I don't blame his wife for the way she responded. He played it smooth with the other chick that was butting into his marriage, but this time he dropped the ball. Of course that happens when you play in the mine fields.
Well to be fair, he did a lot of stuff with Angie that falls into the boy-friend category and didn't tell his wife. Helping her move? Stupid. Shoulda left her to figure it out. Bailing her out? Also stupid. Seriously, do you really blame the girl for thinking he has more than casual feelings for her after all that?I stand by my statements grow up and be a man
I don't see either of those as mistakes on our hero's part. As far as he knew they were just FWB'ing it at the time. If you have a friend with great benefits, and you'd like to keep benefitting all over those benefits... Then you help her out when she needs a favor.
I don't think you understand the FWB thing. They get together and F without the complications of a relationship. Helping someone move, bailing someone outta jail, giving them cash for drinks, etc are complications of having a GF, not of FWB. Keeping her happy was the loan of 3 racks.
No, those are complications of hving a friend. Girlfriend complications are things like monogamy, holidays with family, etc.

Guys help friends move, get out of jail, buy each other drinks all the time. Women, however, wouldn't show up to help move a piece of furniture unless an engagement ring was under it. Hence the confusion here.
I'll disagree. Guys help other guys/girls move but they don't rent the truck, hire the movers and take care of things while their friend says "whoops". Guys buy each other drinks but none of the guys I know would give another guy cash for drinks when they aren't drinking together. Hey, John, after bailing you outta jail, why don't you take this 40 and have a round on me?

Yeah, idiotic. And I've helped plenty of people move, guy.
If you bailed a buddy out of jail and had other things you had to do, you're telling me you wouldn't drop him off at a bar, hand him some cash and tell him to have one on you? I would. I suspect most of the guys in this thread would.I stand by my statement. Different concepts of friends. I also agree with the above poster that there's a difference between a FWB and a FB. This chick is clearly being treated as a friend, not a ####buddy.
I suspect you are wrong. What are you a nancy boy who has to hold your friend's hands. From a female perspective Smilen has always givin a great insight from the other side.
:boxing: :popcorn:
 
'iamsmilin said:
'Henry Ford said:
Okay. And her perspective is tht she wouldn't buy a buddy she just got out of jail a drink. You consider that the majority position for men, too, then great. I'm wrong in thinking guys help each other move, get each other out of jail, and buy rounds of drinks without expecting sex or a relationship.Otherwise, what she's giving is exactly what you're saying - the female perspective. Which is often different from the male perspective.
You know, I've never really had to bail out anyone from jail so this is my persepective. But I would probably drop them off at home if I couldn't hang with them. I dunno, dropping somoene off at a bar after bailing them outta jail seems like a bad idea. :shrug: If that makes me female, well ok.
I thought you were female. I wasn't trying to imply that your answer makes you female, rather the other way around - your being female informs your answer in a lot of different ways, particularly given the socialization of women on this continent. I'm sure many people have a different perspective than I do, and I certainly:a) don't think saying something is the female perspective is insulting; andb) wasn't trying to be insulting to you personally.
 
'Arizona Ron said:
:bag: Rough weekend. I'm in no shape to up right now.
I hope you can get everything worked out for your family. This thread and the excited posters should be the last thing on your mind at this point.
 
'iamsmilin said:
'Henry Ford said:
Okay. And her perspective is tht she wouldn't buy a buddy she just got out of jail a drink. You consider that the majority position for men, too, then great. I'm wrong in thinking guys help each other move, get each other out of jail, and buy rounds of drinks without expecting sex or a relationship.Otherwise, what she's giving is exactly what you're saying - the female perspective. Which is often different from the male perspective.
You know, I've never really had to bail out anyone from jail so this is my persepective. But I would probably drop them off at home if I couldn't hang with them. I dunno, dropping somoene off at a bar after bailing them outta jail seems like a bad idea. :shrug: If that makes me female, well ok.
I thought you were female. I wasn't trying to imply that your answer makes you female, rather the other way around - your being female informs your answer in a lot of different ways, particularly given the socialization of women on this continent. I'm sure many people have a different perspective than I do, and I certainly:a) don't think saying something is the female perspective is insulting; andb) wasn't trying to be insulting to you personally.
I am female. I just hard when I try to make a point and it's ONLY taken as a female point of view. The discussion we had felt like you were picking specific points in the story to make your point versus looking at the entire picture. I'm not or do not feel insulted but it sucks having a valid (or what I feel as valid) point of view dismissed just because I'm female.
 
Geez, you guys are really taking that 'rough weekend' comment and assuming the worse. Maybe he's just hung over from a long weekend of drinking and banging strange.

 
'iamsmilin said:
'Henry Ford said:
Okay. And her perspective is tht she wouldn't buy a buddy she just got out of jail a drink. You consider that the majority position for men, too, then great. I'm wrong in thinking guys help each other move, get each other out of jail, and buy rounds of drinks without expecting sex or a relationship.Otherwise, what she's giving is exactly what you're saying - the female perspective. Which is often different from the male perspective.
You know, I've never really had to bail out anyone from jail so this is my persepective. But I would probably drop them off at home if I couldn't hang with them. I dunno, dropping somoene off at a bar after bailing them outta jail seems like a bad idea. :shrug: If that makes me female, well ok.
I thought you were female. I wasn't trying to imply that your answer makes you female, rather the other way around - your being female informs your answer in a lot of different ways, particularly given the socialization of women on this continent. I'm sure many people have a different perspective than I do, and I certainly:a) don't think saying something is the female perspective is insulting; andb) wasn't trying to be insulting to you personally.
I am female. I just hard when I try to make a point and it's ONLY taken as a female point of view. The discussion we had felt like you were picking specific points in the story to make your point versus looking at the entire picture. I'm not or do not feel insulted but it sucks having a valid (or what I feel as valid) point of view dismissed just because I'm female.
My apologies. I don't think your point is invalid because you're female. I think you have limited the definition of "friend" in your concept of "friend with benefits" and think it's wrong to do so, particularly when AZ Ron has repeatedly stated that he does these things because he thinks of them as friends. Which makes me think - hey, I know a lot of people who do that, and many of them are female. Maybe it's related in some way. What do you think?
 
'iamsmilin said:
'Henry Ford said:
Okay. And her perspective is tht she wouldn't buy a buddy she just got out of jail a drink. You consider that the majority position for men, too, then great. I'm wrong in thinking guys help each other move, get each other out of jail, and buy rounds of drinks without expecting sex or a relationship.Otherwise, what she's giving is exactly what you're saying - the female perspective. Which is often different from the male perspective.
You know, I've never really had to bail out anyone from jail so this is my persepective. But I would probably drop them off at home if I couldn't hang with them. I dunno, dropping somoene off at a bar after bailing them outta jail seems like a bad idea. :shrug: If that makes me female, well ok.
I thought you were female. I wasn't trying to imply that your answer makes you female, rather the other way around - your being female informs your answer in a lot of different ways, particularly given the socialization of women on this continent. I'm sure many people have a different perspective than I do, and I certainly:a) don't think saying something is the female perspective is insulting; andb) wasn't trying to be insulting to you personally.
I am female. I just hard when I try to make a point and it's ONLY taken as a female point of view. The discussion we had felt like you were picking specific points in the story to make your point versus looking at the entire picture. I'm not or do not feel insulted but it sucks having a valid (or what I feel as valid) point of view dismissed just because I'm female.
My apologies. I don't think your point is invalid because you're female. I think you have limited the definition of "friend" in your concept of "friend with benefits" and think it's wrong to do so, particularly when AZ Ron has repeatedly stated that he does these things because he thinks of them as friends. Which makes me think - hey, I know a lot of people who do that, and many of them are female. Maybe it's related in some way. What do you think?
My main point was a FWB should still be treated more as a friend and less of a girlfriend. My POV is AR's actions are more like a boyfriend than friend. Yes, friends help you move. They don't plan everything, pay for everything while you sit and watch, that's a boyfriend thing. If Lance called and asked him for help with a move, AR would've probably walked out if there wasn't even a truck rented. I could be wrong. I'm sure you'd argue that a FWB deserves more attention that a regular friend, I just don't agree since it jumps their classification to dating or being a girlfriend.Edit because I suck at typing on an iphone.
 
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Geez, you guys are really taking that 'rough weekend' comment and assuming the worse. Maybe he's just hung over from a long weekend of drinking and banging strange.
:goodposting: That's how I took it. Banging whoorez. Fighting with the wife, make up sex. :banned: :banned:
:thumbup: Anyone who expects anything less from of our hero hasn't been paying attention. AR's life doesn't crumble over something as trivial as a crazy gold-digging Asian girlfriend and an angry muff-bumpin' wife.
 
Come on, AR. Now I'm curious to see what happens next.
I dunno. Its kind of sad seeing a good guys life crumble before our eyes. Especially since this thread started out so differently.
Really? A lot of us saw the :tfp: coming from miles away.
Pretty much everybody agreed that the three-rack loan was a stunningly bad idea, beginning with post #2.
My comment more had to do with the fact that this thread started out as him loaning some chick money, to him being in an open marriage, to now what Im assuming is possible divorce. Everyone knew it was a bad idea but youd be lying if you thought this thread would lead to possible divorce.EDIT: OK Acer called it :wall:

 
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Come on, AR. Now I'm curious to see what happens next.
I dunno. Its kind of sad seeing a good guys life crumble before our eyes. Especially since this thread started out so differently.
Really? A lot of us saw the :tfp: coming from miles away.
Come on, AR. Now I'm curious to see what happens next.
I dunno. Its kind of sad seeing a good guys life crumble before our eyes. Especially since this thread started out so differently.
Really? A lot of us saw the :tfp: coming from miles away.
Pretty much everybody agreed that the three-rack loan was a stunningly bad idea, beginning with post #2.
i don't believe the 3 racks is the problem here. there were other things brewing with the mrs.... it was a matter of time/timing. the crazy of angie accelerated these things.

 
My comment more had to do with the fact that this thread started out as him loaning some chick money, to him being in an open marriage, to now what Im assuming is possible divorce. Everyone knew it was a bad idea but youd be lying if you thought this thread would lead to possible divorce.
Well yeah, I wouldn't have guessed that particular outcome, but that's not the main point. You know things are going to end badly for Oedipus at the very beginning of the play, even if you don't see the eye-gouging coming.
 
'iamsmilin said:
'Henry Ford said:
Okay. And her perspective is tht she wouldn't buy a buddy she just got out of jail a drink. You consider that the majority position for men, too, then great. I'm wrong in thinking guys help each other move, get each other out of jail, and buy rounds of drinks without expecting sex or a relationship.Otherwise, what she's giving is exactly what you're saying - the female perspective. Which is often different from the male perspective.
You know, I've never really had to bail out anyone from jail so this is my persepective. But I would probably drop them off at home if I couldn't hang with them. I dunno, dropping somoene off at a bar after bailing them outta jail seems like a bad idea. :shrug: If that makes me female, well ok.
I thought you were female. I wasn't trying to imply that your answer makes you female, rather the other way around - your being female informs your answer in a lot of different ways, particularly given the socialization of women on this continent. I'm sure many people have a different perspective than I do, and I certainly:a) don't think saying something is the female perspective is insulting; andb) wasn't trying to be insulting to you personally.
I am female. I just hard when I try to make a point and it's ONLY taken as a female point of view. The discussion we had felt like you were picking specific points in the story to make your point versus looking at the entire picture. I'm not or do not feel insulted but it sucks having a valid (or what I feel as valid) point of view dismissed just because I'm female.
My apologies. I don't think your point is invalid because you're female. I think you have limited the definition of "friend" in your concept of "friend with benefits" and think it's wrong to do so, particularly when AZ Ron has repeatedly stated that he does these things because he thinks of them as friends. Which makes me think - hey, I know a lot of people who do that, and many of them are female. Maybe it's related in some way. What do you think?
My main point was a FWB should still be treated more as a friend and less of a girlfriend. My POV is AR's actions are more like a boyfriend than friend. Yes, friends help you move. They don't plan everything, pay for everything while you sit and watch, that's a boyfriend thing. If Lance called and asked him for help with a move, AR would've probably walked out if there wasn't even a truck rented. I could BR wrong. I'm sure you'd argue that a FAB deserves mod attention that a regular friend, I just don't agree since it jumps their classification to dating or being a girlfriend.
Gonna have to agree with smilin here. I know as well as anyone how to send the wrong signals. I'm lucky enough to have a couple of ladies who are FWB (one who went back to gAy after me :bag: ). AR led with his chin on this one.
 

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