LOL @ Matthew Berry and ESPN (2 Viewers)

[ppierce]

How could Matthew Berry have MJD ranked #5 overall and as his #4 ranked RB? Does he even pay attention anymore or just worry about his pod vader podcasts and witty pop culture jokes? He's doing his readers an irresponsible disservice.

Its like he hasnt updated his list in 2 months. And yes this is his most recent.

Other ridiculous rankings:

Julio Jones #13 overall wr

Mike Wallace #6 overall wr

Brandon Marshall #12 overall wr

DMAC #11 overall RB

Eli Manning # 6 overall QB

Matt Ryan # 11 overall QB

heres the link don't laugh too hard

http://g.espncdn.com/s/ffldraftkit/12/NFLDK2K12_StandCS.pdf?addata=2012=ffldft_chtsht_standard_xxx

 

[Sinn Fein]

Its all an opinion. I wouldn't get that worked up over it.

 

[Slider]

Probably better to post this stuff in February after it happens.

 

[FDC]

Those are all the rankings everyone sees during the draft as well. JJ's Ryan's and DMC's low rankings really can make for some steals.

 

[joffer]

I don't get it

 

[The Dude]

Plus I think the rankings are dated and he did these weeks ago.

And it is all opinion - and nobody can say he will be wrong.

 

[cracKer]

Shame on him for having a differing opinion

 

[Ilov80s]

Most fantasy experts and websites will be wrong about a ton of their rankings each year. That is the nature of the game.

 

[David Yudkin]

One of the guys at Rotoworld has Cam Newton as the #1 QB and ranked 25th overall. Not everyone will conform to the masses.

 

[Warrior]

The same guy who pushed "Pick Michael Vick #1 overall" last season. Shame on you for even clicking on his rankings this year.

 

[ppierce]

you can have a differing opinion but to say MJD will be #4 rb while he's still holding out and Mike Wallace will be 6th best wr is not possible and looks lazy.

 

[The Dude]

The same guy who pushed "Pick Michael Vick #1 overall" last season. Shame on you for even clicking on his rankings this year.

I don't think he was alone in that statement.Plus he writes some fun stuff and it's available for free. He wrote a great draft day manifesto this year. Give him some due.

 

[Ilov80s]

The same guy who pushed "Pick Michael Vick #1 overall" last season. Shame on you for even clicking on his rankings this year.

It was a gutsy call, but don't forget in 2010 Vick averaged the most fantasy points per game of any player by a very significant amount. In my league, He averaged 5 more points than the next QB. Despite playing only 3/4 of the year, he was just 12 points behind Manning (the leading scorer) for most fantasy points scored. If Vick could have stayed healthy and continued to play at that level for 16 games, he would have scored more points than Brees, Brady, Rodgers, Newton, and Stafford did in 2011.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

...and Mike Wallace will be 6th best wr is not possible and looks lazy.

That's about the only part I can find fault in. The rest are all very possible.

 

[The Dude]

Even Wallace finishing 6th is still possible

 

[LittlePhatty]

It's hilarious to see people complain about rankings. You can't stray to far from the "consensus" without drawing criticism, yet everyone knows that at the end of the year those rankings will not be completely accurate.

 

[FDC]

Even Wallace finishing 6th is still possible

He was 5th in 2010

 

[otb_lifer]

If someone projected Cam and Stafford as both top 5 qb's laast year ...?

Or Fred Jackson as top RB (prior to injury)?

Graham/Gronk to shatter TE records?

Cruz as WR2?

No defender of Berry or ESPN, but preseason prognostication is just that ... prognostication.

All of the above I cited would have been met with the same scorn at this time last year.

 

[matuski]

Please start a thread every time you see someone make predictions on the future performance of a handful of players that are a little different than yours, thanks.

 

[cheese]

It's hilarious to see people complain about rankings. You can't stray to far from the "consensus" without drawing criticism, yet everyone knows that at the end of the year those rankings will not be completely accurate.

Agree. I don't use his rankings for anything, but he takes a stance based on a lot of research and puts that opinion out there. I don't have any problem with him at all if he's a little extreme in his rankings.

 

[DoubleG]

Please start a thread every time you see someone make predictions on the future performance of a handful of players that are a little different than yours, thanks.

Truth. I want those 30 seconds back.

 

[hal9000]

Please start a thread every time you see someone make predictions on the future performance of a handful of players that are a little different than yours, thanks.

Truth. I want those 30 seconds back.

Another truly worthless thread from ppierce

 

[Zeff]

The same guy who pushed "Pick Michael Vick #1 overall" last season. Shame on you for even clicking on his rankings this year.

It was a gutsy call, but don't forget in 2010 Vick averaged the most fantasy points per game of any player by a very significant amount. In my league, He averaged 5 more points than the next QB. Despite playing only 3/4 of the year, he was just 12 points behind Manning (the leading scorer) for most fantasy points scored. If Vick could have stayed healthy and continued to play at that level for 16 games, he would have scored more points than Brees, Brady, Rodgers, Newton, and Stafford did in 2011.

Even if you drafted him last year, as long as you didn't start him when he was out, his 13 weeks plus whatever middle-of-the-road backup you had probably tucked you neatly in at about #6 on your yearly QB ratings, right around Eli's production. That's not what you paid for, but it didn't end your chances for the season.

 

[VaTerp]

Those are all the rankings everyone sees during the draft as well. JJ's Ryan's and DMC's low rankings really can make for some steals.

Yup. I did a lot of mocks preparing for my ESPN draft and was able to get DMC at 2.10 in many of them. No such luck when the real draft rolled around.In general though, I think others have made solid points in this thread. Any rankings that are put out there are going to be scrutinized. Especially when they don't fall in line with the consensus. Then rankings that follow the consensus get scrutinized as well for not being original.It's all opinion and educated guessing and we won't know until the season's over how it plays out. Take them for what their worth and develop your own. I'd love to see rankings from people who are so quick to criticize others.

 

[petenice15]

I listen to the Pod Cast bc it's better then listening to Jets and Mets fan complain about how bad their teams are on NY radio all day long. Plus the show does make me laugh, even if the other weasely guy annoys me to no end. With that said, if you listen and follow to one single fantasy football source, you are not doing yourself any favors. Wether its Matthew Berry, Matt Waldman, David Dodds or any other single person. It's all about getting as much information as possible and making your own decision for your own team. Give the guy a break, he's made a career out of doing something we all love doing and spend way to much time on.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Last year there was another thread making fun of Berry.

 

[meyerj31]

How could Matthew Berry have MJD ranked #5 overall and as his #4 ranked RB? Does he even pay attention anymore or just worry about his pod vader podcasts and witty pop culture jokes? He's doing his readers an irresponsible disservice.Its like he hasnt updated his list in 2 months. And yes this is his most recent.Other ridiculous rankings:Julio Jones #13 overall wrMike Wallace #6 overall wrBrandon Marshall #12 overall wrDMAC #11 overall RBEli Manning # 6 overall QBMatt Ryan # 11 overall QBheres the link don't laugh too hardhttp://g.espncdn.com/s/ffldraftkit/12/NFLDK2K12_StandCS.pdf?addata=2012=ffldft_chtsht_standard_xxx

I think you're taking the wrong angle. There's a poker maxim that says you should be spreading maximum disinformation.Everyone in my draft had that list printed out last night, and guess what?I was able to get Julio at the 3.08. Percy at the 6.05. 12-teamer.I hope he has an even worse list next year!

 

[urbanhack]

you can have a differing opinion but to say MJD will be #4 rb while he's still holding out and Mike Wallace will be 6th best wr is not possible

How do you know?

 

[kneeunthaface]

"The same guy who pushed "Pick Michael Vick #1 overall" last season. Shame on you for even clicking on his rankings this year."

This.

 

[Ghost Rider]

This is good, since clueless owners who don't do their homework will watch ESPN and take this guy's word as gospel and overpay/overreach for players, enabling the smart owners to get deals and value on other players.

 

[12punch]

oh yeah?

I'm listening to 2 'experts' on sirius fantasy and the one guy keeps saying the jags are trying to pressure mojo to sign, and waiting for him to sign on the dotted line, etc.

that's a lol

I gotta find out who this guy is.

jeff from rotowire...?

jeff erickson!!

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

all are fine (though I dont agree) save the MJD at RB4 hoogwash.

 

[ponchsox]

How could Matthew Berry have MJD ranked #5 overall and as his #4 ranked RB? Does he even pay attention anymore or just worry about his pod vader podcasts and witty pop culture jokes? He's doing his readers an irresponsible disservice.Its like he hasnt updated his list in 2 months. And yes this is his most recent.Other ridiculous rankings:Julio Jones #13 overall wrMike Wallace #6 overall wrBrandon Marshall #12 overall wrDMAC #11 overall RBEli Manning # 6 overall QBMatt Ryan # 11 overall QBheres the link don't laugh too hardhttp://g.espncdn.com/s/ffldraftkit/12/NFLDK2K12_StandCS.pdf?addata=2012=ffldft_chtsht_standard_xxx

Who cares? That is why I have a subscription to FBG because they are the best. Let the guppies use the stupid ESPN rankings.

 

[chiefs2929]

It's perfect Cause I got Brady, Mcfadden, and Julio because McFadden and Julio were ranked so low

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

You should definitely ask for a refund.

 

[JB Breakfast Club]

How could Matthew Berry have MJD ranked #5 overall and as his #4 ranked RB? Does he even pay attention anymore or just worry about his pod vader podcasts and witty pop culture jokes? He's doing his readers an irresponsible disservice.

Its like he hasnt updated his list in 2 months. And yes this is his most recent.

Other ridiculous rankings:

Julio Jones #13 overall wr

Mike Wallace #6 overall wr

Brandon Marshall #12 overall wr

DMAC #11 overall RB

Eli Manning # 6 overall QB

Matt Ryan # 11 overall QB

heres the link don't laugh too hard

http://g.espncdn.com/s/ffldraftkit/12/NFLDK2K12_StandCS.pdf?addata=2012=ffldft_chtsht_standard_xxx

Not a fair thread. Those are ESPN composite rankings. Berry's ranks are HERE. MJD #11 RB/19 overall

Julio Jones #6 WR

Mike Wallace #20 WR

Marshall #3 WR

McFadden #8 RB

Eli #9 QB

Ryan #10 QB

 

[Run It Up]

In the industry mock rotoworld took Ryan Mathews with the 1.02 and followed it up with Vick in the 2nd round.

All you need to know.

 

[Badgers Fan]

I think most people in the shark pool understand that Berry is overpaid (whatever they pay him) and a moron. I don't click on his links or advice or anything. I don't even enjoy his cameo's on The League. Get Dodds or Cecil or Sig (etc) on that s##t.

 

[ImTheScientist]

How could Matthew Berry have MJD ranked #5 overall and as his #4 ranked RB? Does he even pay attention anymore or just worry about his pod vader podcasts and witty pop culture jokes? He's doing his readers an irresponsible disservice.Its like he hasnt updated his list in 2 months. And yes this is his most recent.Other ridiculous rankings:Julio Jones #13 overall wrMike Wallace #6 overall wrBrandon Marshall #12 overall wrDMAC #11 overall RBEli Manning # 6 overall QBMatt Ryan # 11 overall QBheres the link don't laugh too hardhttp://g.espncdn.com/s/ffldraftkit/12/NFLDK2K12_StandCS.pdf?addata=2012=ffldft_chtsht_standard_xxx

I don't get whats so funny? He disagrees a bit with the consensus. I actually laughed really hard at your overreaction.

 

[butcher boy]

Matt's specific player pick was wrong, but his idea of taking a stud QB early last year was spot on.

 

[ponchsox]

I'm not a big Berry fan but his rankings are projections like everyone else. At the end of the season, I'm sure we can find a bunch of players that FBG missed and vice versa.

He obviously thinks McFadden will miss games so he has lowered his ranking way down. While I don't agree with who he has ranked ahead of him, he could be right if McFadden misses several games.

He probably also thinks Julio Jones is way overhyped and he may be right. Should he be #13? No, but there is no guarantee that he is the bonified #2 WR in fantasy either.

 

[coachbobbyfinstock]

How could Matthew Berry have MJD ranked #5 overall and as his #4 ranked RB? Does he even pay attention anymore or just worry about his pod vader podcasts and witty pop culture jokes? He's doing his readers an irresponsible disservice.Its like he hasnt updated his list in 2 months. And yes this is his most recent.Other ridiculous rankings:Julio Jones #13 overall wrMike Wallace #6 overall wrBrandon Marshall #12 overall wrDMAC #11 overall RBEli Manning # 6 overall QBMatt Ryan # 11 overall QBheres the link don't laugh too hardhttp://g.espncdn.com/s/ffldraftkit/12/NFLDK2K12_StandCS.pdf?addata=2012=ffldft_chtsht_standard_xxx

I noticed the same thing the other day and agree 100%. It would be one thing if they were going out on a limb making a prediction. But their rankings look to be out of date. If they are in the 'Fatntasy' business it is their duty to keep up to date, not be lazy or apathetic.

 

[Sidewinder16]

Please start a thread every time you see someone make predictions on the future performance of a handful of players that are a little different than yours, thanks.

Truth. I want those 30 seconds back.

Another truly worthless thread from ppierce

Aren't these the same types of reactions as the OP?Just like, if you don't like someone else's rankings/projections then move on, if you don't like a thread topic then move on. Simply complaining about it's existence (either the thread or the rankings) doesn't add any worth to what is already worthless (in your opinion).

 

[massraider]

How could Matthew Berry have MJD ranked #5 overall and as his #4 ranked RB? Does he even pay attention anymore or just worry about his pod vader podcasts and witty pop culture jokes? He's doing his readers an irresponsible disservice.

Its like he hasnt updated his list in 2 months. And yes this is his most recent.

Other ridiculous rankings:

Julio Jones #13 overall wr

Mike Wallace #6 overall wr

Brandon Marshall #12 overall wr

DMAC #11 overall RB

Eli Manning # 6 overall QB

Matt Ryan # 11 overall QB

heres the link don't laugh too hard

http://g.espncdn.com/s/ffldraftkit/12/NFLDK2K12_StandCS.pdf?addata=2012=ffldft_chtsht_standard_xxx

Not a fair thread. Those are ESPN composite rankings. Berry's ranks are HERE. MJD #11 RB/19 overall

Julio Jones #6 WR

Mike Wallace #20 WR

Marshall #3 WR

McFadden #8 RB

Eli #9 QB

Ryan #10 QB

LOL at people that aren't bright enough to read the correct rankings.

 

[Dought Man]

Your jealousy is showing...and then you spewed misinformation on the guy. Well done sir.

 

[Run It Up]

Matt's specific player pick was wrong, but his idea of taking a stud QB early last year was spot on.

But his entire argument had nothing to do with it being an elite QB, it had to do with a QB rushing 1000 yards.

 

[butcher boy]

Matt's specific player pick was wrong, but his idea of taking a stud QB early last year was spot on.

But his entire argument had nothing to do with it being an elite QB, it had to do with a QB rushing 1000 yards.

Wow really? If that's true, he's nuts. He posted a really long article this year justifying his Vick pick by saying his general strategy was still correct.

 

[VaTerp]

Matt's specific player pick was wrong, but his idea of taking a stud QB early last year was spot on.

But his entire argument had nothing to do with it being an elite QB, it had to do with a QB rushing 1000 yards.

That's not true. His argument was entirely based on what Vick did on a ppg basis in 2010. His quote was:

"Here's my argument as to why Vick is not only worth a first-round pick, and not only should be the No. 1 quarterback taken, but should be the No. 1 pick overall. It's actually very simple.If Michael Vick is as good as he was last season and stays healthy all year, you win your league. Period. And he's the only guy you can say that about."

 

[Run It Up]

Matt's specific player pick was wrong, but his idea of taking a stud QB early last year was spot on.

But his entire argument had nothing to do with it being an elite QB, it had to do with a QB rushing 1000 yards.

That's not true. His argument was entirely based on what Vick did on a ppg basis in 2010. His quote was:

"Here's my argument as to why Vick is not only worth a first-round pick, and not only should be the No. 1 quarterback taken, but should be the No. 1 pick overall. It's actually very simple.

If Michael Vick is as good as he was last season and stays healthy all year, you win your league. Period. And he's the only guy you can say that about."

The Link

Those numbers would have equaled approximately 278 fantasy points ... or one point less than Peyton Manning scored last season.

Year of the Quarterback

And that's before Vick's run for even one yard.

His rushing numbers work out to 959 yards and 13 touchdowns with one lost fumble, good for approximately 171 points, which would have made Vick the 16th-best fantasy running back last season.

So again, this is all very loosey-goosey math, but just to get a sense of the potential we're talking about, extrapolated over a 16-game schedule last season, Michael Vick would have scored 449 points.

His entire argument came down to yes, his ppg which were hyper inflated by a once in a career game and his almost 1000 rushing yards.He on more than one occasion touted Vick as a 4k+1k QB. In his defense, he did say to draft a backup.

 

[VaTerp]

Matt's specific player pick was wrong, but his idea of taking a stud QB early last year was spot on.

But his entire argument had nothing to do with it being an elite QB, it had to do with a QB rushing 1000 yards.

That's not true. His argument was entirely based on what Vick did on a ppg basis in 2010. His quote was:

"Here's my argument as to why Vick is not only worth a first-round pick, and not only should be the No. 1 quarterback taken, but should be the No. 1 pick overall. It's actually very simple.

If Michael Vick is as good as he was last season and stays healthy all year, you win your league. Period. And he's the only guy you can say that about."

The Link

Those numbers would have equaled approximately 278 fantasy points ... or one point less than Peyton Manning scored last season.

Year of the Quarterback

And that's before Vick's run for even one yard.

His rushing numbers work out to 959 yards and 13 touchdowns with one lost fumble, good for approximately 171 points, which would have made Vick the 16th-best fantasy running back last season.

So again, this is all very loosey-goosey math, but just to get a sense of the potential we're talking about, extrapolated over a 16-game schedule last season, Michael Vick would have scored 449 points.

His entire argument came down to yes, his ppg which were hyper inflated by a once in a career game and his almost 1000 rushing yards.He on more than one occasion touted Vick as a 4k+1k QB. In his defense, he did say to draft a backup.

Exactly. 4k plus 1K means he projected 4,000 yards passing, which prior to last season meant a lot more. Sure, the rushing numbers were part of it. But to say that his "entire" argument was based on him being a 1,000 yard rusher is false. You proved in part of the quote you used above. Here is the whole quote."If you take what Vick did last year in the 11 games he finished and then extrapolated it to 16 games, those numbers would be 4,318 passing yards and 31 passing touchdowns and only nine interceptions. Those numbers last season would have put him fifth in total passing yards and tied for fourth in passing touchdowns. Those numbers would have equaled approximately 278 fantasy points ... or one point less than Peyton Manning scored last season."