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All year long I read on this website that the predictions from the beginning of the year were all wrong, that the running backs were messed up, and there had never before been a year like this. But it seemed like much of this was anecdotal, and written by people frustrated during a particular week.

Since I'm only a 2nd year player, and this is my first year visiting a national website, I have no comparison to draw upon. For those of you who have done this a long time, was this year especially unusual in any areas? Or in the end, was it status quo after all?

 
All year long I read on this website that the predictions from the beginning of the year were all wrong, that the running backs were messed up, and there had never before been a year like this. But it seemed like much of this was anecdotal, and written by people frustrated during a particular week.Since I'm only a 2nd year player, and this is my first year visiting a national website, I have no comparison to draw upon. For those of you who have done this a long time, was this year especially unusual in any areas? Or in the end, was it status quo after all?
Wow! You were easily the most vocal second year player I've ever come across.Yes, this was by far the craziest FF year that I can remember in recent years. First round picks for the most part were busts. Guys like Fred Taylor, Moss & JLewis discovered HGH and rejuvinated their careers. Waivers made or broke fantasy seasons this year. I know they did in my leagues anyways. Does this stuff occur every year, yes. To the degree that they did this year, absolutely not.
 
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All year long I read on this website that the predictions from the beginning of the year were all wrong, that the running backs were messed up, and there had never before been a year like this. But it seemed like much of this was anecdotal, and written by people frustrated during a particular week.Since I'm only a 2nd year player, and this is my first year visiting a national website, I have no comparison to draw upon. For those of you who have done this a long time, was this year especially unusual in any areas? Or in the end, was it status quo after all?
Look at any year...Predictions and ranking are almost always wrong.
 
Nope..Same thing every year. You can't predict what's going to happen in this sport or any other for that matter..Did some crazy things happen? Sure, but no different than every other season, which is what brings us back every year.

 
Three tight ends had over 1000 yards this season and Antonio Gates wasn't one of them. That's crazy.

Running backs were weak this season. Only 6 had over 200 fantasy points. Usually that number's about 10-12. LT was the only running back to have a monster season (300 fantasy points or higher). There are usually at least 1 or 2 more monster rbs each season. Brian Westbrook probably would have reached that total if he played all 16 games but he only played in 15.

 
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Here's what I'm saying:

Warner

Ryan Grant

Jamal Lewis

Fred Taylor

Wayne

Welker

Donald Lee

That's a superbowl winnning team. Any questions?

 
I have had thoughts about this too and some things seem to stand out to me.

seems like a lot of instability at qb, either from injury or lack of performance.

seems like more than usual injuries to starting rbs.

maybe an increase of scoring in the passing game? could be due to the injuries at rb and more teams seem to be using the te's as offensive weapons.

ETA: seems like more defensive/special teams scoring?

I'm not a big stats guy so maybe some of the stat gurus here (and there are some DARN good ones here) will crunch some numbers to see if my perception is reality or too much Busch. :lmao:

 
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I think this year and 2004 were the two most anomalous years I can remember in my 17 years of this hobby. Heading in to 2005 I thought I had cracked the code to fantasy success (in our scoring system) after the wild 2004 year. Nope, things regressed back to the norm and I was left holding the bag. I see similarities between 2004 and 2007, so heaven knows how I will prepare for next year's adventure.

 
In my opinion, there were some items that look like ongoing trends to me that upset some standard FF strategies this year.

First, the increasing use of RB duos in the league significantly decreased the number of reliable, week in and week out stud RBs. Adrian Peterson had some monster games, but also had some very poor games and was in a 2-headed attack with Chester Taylor. Fred Taylor had a renaissance season, but the split of work with MJD made him less-than-stellar as a FF back. In general, FF backs generated less total points than you'd expect in years' past. Julius Jones drained off enough carries and yards to drag on Marion Barbers' fantasy value - and so forth. I don't see this trend to RB tandems slowing in coming years - it seems to be becoming standard operating practice for NFL clubs.

On the flip side, the Stud WRs (Moss, Owens, Edwards, Wayne, Andre Johnson, Fitzgerald, Houshmandzadeh) are emerging as a very consistent supplier of FP week in and week out. This is due, at least in part in my opinion, to the rules changes/increased emphasis on rule enforcement by the refs that have been added over the past several years to stop excessive DB contact with WRs after 5 yards from the line of scrimmage; the anti-horse-collar rule that keeps WRs from being dragged down from behind, and etc. To put it simply, the league wanted more passing, more big pass plays - and now they've achieved that end. So, stud WRs are getting a lot of balls and there is just more concentrated passing to the top NFL targets than in years past, IMO. This year, there were 6 guys with 100 or more catches, and 14 with 90 or more catches (one was a RB, Brian Westbrook, and one was a TE, Jason Witten). Further, 23 players had 1000 or more yards to their credit, and 30 had 920 or more. Passing is becoming more predominant (I think) and, from the FF perspective, the top targets are either 1). getting a more concentrated dosage of targets or 2). managing to complete more receptions or 3). some mixture of both the first two factors. (at least that's how it looks to me at first blush when I look at 2007 receiving stats. I'll ask Dr. Drinen to query the DB and see if my initial read on the season-ending stats is supported by a trend analysis).

In short, the stud WRs are increasing in relative value compared to the RBs due to the increasing trend to two-headed rushing stables, in my opinion. Speaking of my anecdotal experiences this year, I was most successful this year in leagues in which the draft played out to provide 1 solid-to-studly RB and 2-3 stud WRs to my roster - I was high on Dwayne Bowe in a lot of leagues and late-round picks of him or early waiver pick ups of him also greatly assisted my lineups this year.

Also, the increased emphasis on handling brain traumas/concussions in a medically appropriate manner has increased the number of weeks such injuries leave a player on the inactive list, in my opinion. This is not a bad thing from a player-health perspective, but has increased the risk that injuries will cost fantasy owners multiple weeks off for their draft picks. Concussion susceptibility/history will be an item I pay more attention to when doing my qualitative analysis of draft prospects for the 2008 season at all positions.

Just some of my initial reactions to the regular season just completed.

 
In my opinion, there were some items that look like ongoing trends to me that upset some standard FF strategies this year.

First, the increasing use of RB duos in the league significantly decreased the number of reliable, week in and week out stud RBs. Adrian Peterson had some monster games, but also had some very poor games and was in a 2-headed attack with Chester Taylor. Fred Taylor had a renaissance season, but the split of work with MJD made him less-than-stellar as a FF back. In general, FF backs generated less total points than you'd expect in years' past. Julius Jones drained off enough carries and yards to drag on Marion Barbers' fantasy value - and so forth. I don't see this trend to RB tandems slowing in coming years - it seems to be becoming standard operating practice for NFL clubs.

On the flip side, the Stud WRs (Moss, Owens, Edwards, Wayne, Andre Johnson, Fitzgerald, Houshmandzadeh) are emerging as a very consistent supplier of FP week in and week out. This is due, at least in part in my opinion, to the rules changes/increased emphasis on rule enforcement by the refs that have been added over the past several years to stop excessive DB contact with WRs after 5 yards from the line of scrimmage; the anti-horse-collar rule that keeps WRs from being dragged down from behind, and etc. To put it simply, the league wanted more passing, more big pass plays - and now they've achieved that end. So, stud WRs are getting a lot of balls and there is just more concentrated passing to the top NFL targets than in years past, IMO. This year, there were 6 guys with 100 or more catches, and 14 with 90 or more catches (one was a RB, Brian Westbrook, and one was a TE, Jason Witten). Further, 23 players had 1000 or more yards to their credit, and 30 had 920 or more. Passing is becoming more predominant (I think) and, from the FF perspective, the top targets are either 1). getting a more concentrated dosage of targets or 2). managing to complete more receptions or 3). some mixture of both the first two factors. (at least that's how it looks to me at first blush when I look at 2007 receiving stats. I'll ask Dr. Drinen to query the DB and see if my initial read on the season-ending stats is supported by a trend analysis).

In short, the stud WRs are increasing in relative value compared to the RBs due to the increasing trend to two-headed rushing stables, in my opinion. Speaking of my anecdotal experiences this year, I was most successful this year in leagues in which the draft played out to provide 1 solid-to-studly RB and 2-3 stud WRs to my roster - I was high on Dwayne Bowe in a lot of leagues and late-round picks of him or early waiver pick ups of him also greatly assisted my lineups this year.

Also, the increased emphasis on handling brain traumas/concussions in a medically appropriate manner has increased the number of weeks such injuries leave a player on the inactive list, in my opinion. This is not a bad thing from a player-health perspective, but has increased the risk that injuries will cost fantasy owners multiple weeks off for their draft picks. Concussion susceptibility/history will be an item I pay more attention to when doing my qualitative analysis of draft prospects for the 2008 season at all positions.

Just some of my initial reactions to the regular season just completed.
very true, especially for this year. My QB and WR corps pretty much carried me in two leagues this year.
 
In my opinion, there were some items that look like ongoing trends to me that upset some standard FF strategies this year.

First, the increasing use of RB duos in the league significantly decreased the number of reliable, week in and week out stud RBs. Adrian Peterson had some monster games, but also had some very poor games and was in a 2-headed attack with Chester Taylor. Fred Taylor had a renaissance season, but the split of work with MJD made him less-than-stellar as a FF back. In general, FF backs generated less total points than you'd expect in years' past. Julius Jones drained off enough carries and yards to drag on Marion Barbers' fantasy value - and so forth. I don't see this trend to RB tandems slowing in coming years - it seems to be becoming standard operating practice for NFL clubs.

On the flip side, the Stud WRs (Moss, Owens, Edwards, Wayne, Andre Johnson, Fitzgerald, Houshmandzadeh) are emerging as a very consistent supplier of FP week in and week out. This is due, at least in part in my opinion, to the rules changes/increased emphasis on rule enforcement by the refs that have been added over the past several years to stop excessive DB contact with WRs after 5 yards from the line of scrimmage; the anti-horse-collar rule that keeps WRs from being dragged down from behind, and etc. To put it simply, the league wanted more passing, more big pass plays - and now they've achieved that end. So, stud WRs are getting a lot of balls and there is just more concentrated passing to the top NFL targets than in years past, IMO. This year, there were 6 guys with 100 or more catches, and 14 with 90 or more catches (one was a RB, Brian Westbrook, and one was a TE, Jason Witten). Further, 23 players had 1000 or more yards to their credit, and 30 had 920 or more. Passing is becoming more predominant (I think) and, from the FF perspective, the top targets are either 1). getting a more concentrated dosage of targets or 2). managing to complete more receptions or 3). some mixture of both the first two factors. (at least that's how it looks to me at first blush when I look at 2007 receiving stats. I'll ask Dr. Drinen to query the DB and see if my initial read on the season-ending stats is supported by a trend analysis).

In short, the stud WRs are increasing in relative value compared to the RBs due to the increasing trend to two-headed rushing stables, in my opinion. Speaking of my anecdotal experiences this year, I was most successful this year in leagues in which the draft played out to provide 1 solid-to-studly RB and 2-3 stud WRs to my roster - I was high on Dwayne Bowe in a lot of leagues and late-round picks of him or early waiver pick ups of him also greatly assisted my lineups this year.

Also, the increased emphasis on handling brain traumas/concussions in a medically appropriate manner has increased the number of weeks such injuries leave a player on the inactive list, in my opinion. This is not a bad thing from a player-health perspective, but has increased the risk that injuries will cost fantasy owners multiple weeks off for their draft picks. Concussion susceptibility/history will be an item I pay more attention to when doing my qualitative analysis of draft prospects for the 2008 season at all positions.

Just some of my initial reactions to the regular season just completed.
well said. :shrug: :thumbup: :thumbdown:
 
When you play long enough then nothing is really too surprising. Expect the unexpected. Same this year, just like every other year. It only seems worse/better/different this year because we remember it better.

 
Here's what I'm saying:WarnerRyan GrantJamal LewisFred TaylorWayneWelkerDonald LeeThat's a superbowl winnning team. Any questions?
I would think so, but if you have 10 - 15 years of league history, I bet you can look back and see the same type rosters for Super Bowl winners several times. That's really a function of the effect that injuries have on the real life NFL. Lots of teams that make smart waiver moves end up in the finals with a few nobodies.
 
Receptions are definitly up.

90+ reception players:

2007

1 T.J. Houshmandzadeh CIN WR 112

1 Wes Welker NE WR 112

3 Reggie Wayne IND WR 104

4 Derrick Mason BAL WR 103

5 Brandon Marshall DEN WR 102

6 Larry Fitzgerald ARI WR 100

7 Tony Gonzalez KC TE 99

8 Marques Colston NO WR 98

8 Randy Moss NE WR 98

10 Jason Witten DAL TE 96

11 Bobby Engram SEA WR 94

12 Torry Holt STL WR 93

12 Chad Johnson CIN WR 93

14 Brian Westbrook PHI RB 90

2006

1 Andre Johnson HOU WR 103

2 Mike Furrey DET WR 98

3 Marvin Harrison IND WR 95

4 Torry Holt STL WR 93

5 Donald Driver GB WR 92

6 Laveranues Coles NYJ WR 91

7 T.J. Houshmandzadeh CIN WR 90

7 Steven Jackson STL RB 90

2005

1 Larry Fitzgerald ARI WR 103

1 Steve Smith CAR WR 103

3 Anquan Boldin ARI WR 102

3 Torry Holt STL WR 102

5 Chad Johnson CIN WR 97

2004

1 Tony Gonzalez KC TE 102

2 Derrick Mason TEN WR 96

3 Chad Johnson CIN WR 95

4 Torry Holt STL WR 94

4 Joe Horn NO WR 94

6 Muhsin Muhammad CAR WR 93

7 Laveranues Coles WAS WR 90

2003

1 Torry Holt STL WR 117

2 Randy Moss MIN WR 111

3 Anquan Boldin ARI WR 101

4 LaDainian Tomlinson SD RB 100

5 Derrick Mason TEN WR 95

5 Hines Ward PIT WR 95

7 Marvin Harrison IND WR 94

8 Chad Johnson CIN WR 90

 
Receptions are definitly up.

90+ reception players:

2007

1 T.J. Houshmandzadeh CIN WR 112

1 Wes Welker NE WR 112

3 Reggie Wayne IND WR 104

4 Derrick Mason BAL WR 103

5 Brandon Marshall DEN WR 102

6 Larry Fitzgerald ARI WR 100

7 Tony Gonzalez KC TE 99

8 Marques Colston NO WR 98

8 Randy Moss NE WR 98

10 Jason Witten DAL TE 96

11 Bobby Engram SEA WR 94

12 Torry Holt STL WR 93

12 Chad Johnson CIN WR 93

14 Brian Westbrook PHI RB 90

2006

1 Andre Johnson HOU WR 103

2 Mike Furrey DET WR 98

3 Marvin Harrison IND WR 95

4 Torry Holt STL WR 93

5 Donald Driver GB WR 92

6 Laveranues Coles NYJ WR 91

7 T.J. Houshmandzadeh CIN WR 90

7 Steven Jackson STL RB 90

2005

1 Larry Fitzgerald ARI WR 103

1 Steve Smith CAR WR 103

3 Anquan Boldin ARI WR 102

3 Torry Holt STL WR 102

5 Chad Johnson CIN WR 97

2004

1 Tony Gonzalez KC TE 102

2 Derrick Mason TEN WR 96

3 Chad Johnson CIN WR 95

4 Torry Holt STL WR 94

4 Joe Horn NO WR 94

6 Muhsin Muhammad CAR WR 93

7 Laveranues Coles WAS WR 90

2003

1 Torry Holt STL WR 117

2 Randy Moss MIN WR 111

3 Anquan Boldin ARI WR 101

4 LaDainian Tomlinson SD RB 100

5 Derrick Mason TEN WR 95

5 Hines Ward PIT WR 95

7 Marvin Harrison IND WR 94

8 Chad Johnson CIN WR 90
6 WRs with 100+ rec. is that a record?

I think QBs and WRs drove FF this year, especially in PPR leagues, more that past years

 
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All year long I read on this website that the predictions from the beginning of the year were all wrong, that the running backs were messed up, and there had never before been a year like this. But it seemed like much of this was anecdotal, and written by people frustrated during a particular week.Since I'm only a 2nd year player, and this is my first year visiting a national website, I have no comparison to draw upon. For those of you who have done this a long time, was this year especially unusual in any areas? Or in the end, was it status quo after all?
yes it has been a crazy year, just look at where the consensus top 5 RBs wound up at the end of the season, guys like Addai, Gore, LJ. Fred Taylor came out of nowhere to become the hottest RB this side of Clinton Portis and Jamal Lewis, during the final 6 weeks of the season..Cleveland made the playoffs, the Pats went undefeated, LT snoozed thru the first half of the season and still won the rushing title, Favre looks like the vintage 1990's version of himself, etc...but, chances are next season too many fantasy GM's will over compensate by placing too much value on QBs and WR's and will ignore RB's in the early rounds...Historically speaking, the RB position is your bread and butter, the one position on a fantasy roster that consistently scores well every week...I'd expect next season to see many 1700+ yard rushers and maybe even a 2000 yard season by someone...Rarely does a record come close to being repeated the following season, so I would not expect Brady to toss anything NEAR 50 tds again, maybe 1/2 that...so don't over value him like many others will..stay with the notion that RB's make the fantasy world go 'round..
 
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Mike said:
When you play long enough then nothing is really too surprising. Expect the unexpected. Same this year, just like every other year. It only seems worse/better/different this year because we remember it better.
Hey Mike, it must suck to get really old and start having to deal with that memory loss. :shrug: Mike is right that every time a current season ends it just seems more unusual, but every year is unique in some way. The question is whether this year's differences were anomalies or trends.

It's a statistical fact that more QBs saw the field this year than ever before. I think the number was 64 or 66 (speaking of memory loss); by contrast, in 2006 the number was only 50. It wasn't all due to injury either, and that could indicate increasing impatience by coaches with unmet expectations. Pressure to win has always been there, but with media / fan scrutiny and salary $ at an all-time high for both coaches and players, immediate results are expected more than ever. Will we see the quick hook of the QB continue or was this year just a fluke? I don't know for sure, but when so many unheralded guys like Romo, Anderson, Garrard, etc. have come out of nowhere to become productive winners, it's tempting for a coach to look to the QB sitting on his bench as a possible next-Tom-Brady and job-saver, when the starter is out there stinking it up.

I don't remember the last time there were this many backup RBs who were useful fantasy starters for significant chunks of time. We know the primary names: Grant, Graham, Watson, Fargas, Peterson (CHI), but there were others who were very useful in spots like Chatman, Ward, Dayne, Morris SEA, Morris NE, Young, Keith, Smith KC, Wright CLE, Jackson BUF and more. Although this may be one of those "it only seems worse/better/different this year because we remember it better" things, it may not. Doug Drinen had a little trivia thread for us on 12/23 when he said "With Ahmad Bradshaw's and T.J. Duckett's efforts today, 52 different players have had a 100-yard rushing game this year. That ties the all-time record set in 2004." He later realized he missed Dominic Rhodes which brought the total to a record-setting 53, and yesterday Pierre Thomas made it 54. So it really was the year of the backup RB. What does all this mean? Anomaly or trend? I don't know. I think it will require more analysis than I'm willing to give it.

So, those are a couple of things that made 2007 unusual that can be shown by the numbers. It'll take a smarter guy than me to determine if they were hiccups or trends.

 
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The only difference I can see between this year and other years is the massive increase in the relative importance of the "passing players" (QBs, WRs, TEs) in relation to the "rushing players" (RBs). I think it's more one-year fluke than meaningful trend, however.

 
I really don't see anything too unusual. A couple more RB injuries then normal caused a few more 100 yard rushers.

Some trends: The quick yank of the starting QB's is likely to continue.

The top WR's are likely to continue to match the top RB's. We should have seen these two things comeng though.

A false trend: RBBC is a myth. We've run these stats a gazillion times in here...RB1's are getting the same carries they always have....but RB2 carries are up slightly at the expense of RB3's, etc.

Every season has a slightly different flavor. This year was no different, but it was not far from normal in most regards.

 
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I really don't see anything too unusual. A couple more RB injuries then normal caused a few more 100 yard rushers.Some trends: The quick yank of the starting QB's is likely to continue.The top WR's are likely to continue to match the top RB's. We should have seen these two things comeng though.A false trend: RBBC is a myth. We've run these stats a gazillion times in here...RB1's are getting the same carries they always have....but RB2 carries are up slightly at the expense of RB3's, etc.Every season has a slightly different flavor. This year was no different, but it was not far from normal in most regards.
I doubt the top WRs continue matching the top RBs. In addition to this being a record high year for passing offenses (records were set for most 100 catch receivers and 4,000 yard passers), it was also an extreme aberration for rushers, only on the low end. Clinton Portis led the league in carries this year... with 324. That would have ranked him 8th last year, 9th the year before that, 8th the year before that, 8th the year before that, and 6th the year before that. Generally, a quarter of the league has an RB get more carries than Portis got this year. A quarter of the league. I view that as an outlier rather than a sign of things to come.
 
I really don't see anything too unusual. A couple more RB injuries then normal caused a few more 100 yard rushers.Some trends: The quick yank of the starting QB's is likely to continue.The top WR's are likely to continue to match the top RB's. We should have seen these two things comeng though.A false trend: RBBC is a myth. We've run these stats a gazillion times in here...RB1's are getting the same carries they always have....but RB2 carries are up slightly at the expense of RB3's, etc.Every season has a slightly different flavor. This year was no different, but it was not far from normal in most regards.
I doubt the top WRs continue matching the top RBs. In addition to this being a record high year for passing offenses (records were set for most 100 catch receivers and 4,000 yard passers), it was also an extreme aberration for rushers, only on the low end. Clinton Portis led the league in carries this year... with 324. That would have ranked him 8th last year, 9th the year before that, 8th the year before that, 8th the year before that, and 6th the year before that. Generally, a quarter of the league has an RB get more carries than Portis got this year. A quarter of the league. I view that as an outlier rather than a sign of things to come.
:fishing: I over-stated myself a little bit, but I do think that WR numbers are more likely to stay high then return to what we might think of as statistical "norms". IE: This year may be an outlier, but probably not as much of one as some think right now.
 
Here's what I'm saying:WarnerRyan GrantJamal LewisFred TaylorWayneWelkerDonald LeeThat's a superbowl winnning team. Any questions?
I would think so, but if you have 10 - 15 years of league history, I bet you can look back and see the same type rosters for Super Bowl winners several times. That's really a function of the effect that injuries have on the real life NFL. Lots of teams that make smart waiver moves end up in the finals with a few nobodies.
Yes, I distinctly remember having Warner, Fred Taylor and Jamal Lewis on my Super Bowl winning team a few years ago.
 
Nope..Same thing every year. You can't predict what's going to happen in this sport or any other for that matter..Did some crazy things happen? Sure, but no different than every other season, which is what brings us back every year.
2007 was not in the typical category as nobody saw Brady/Moss doing that and certainly not the amount of production that Romo or Favre had. Because those guys were so unexpectedly good, the drafts would have been much different. Drafts would always be different but not by that much, as QBs were night and day. There are always suprises, but not a trend this different from what is expected in July and AugustIf it would have been Manning, Carson Palmer, Brees, then Brady/Favre/ Romo leading the QBs, i think people would have felt more stable.
 

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