Looking for clarification on scoring (1 Viewer)

[Polish Hammer]

Our league rules specify that if you have a player (say Desean Jackson) starting for your team and that player gets a kick or punt return for a TD you get 6 points (nothing for yardage). Likewise, if you have a defensive player that recovers a fumble (or has an interception) and returns that for a TD, you get 6 points for that TD along with whatever INT or fumble points are appropriate. There isn't anything specific that covers "Special Teams" plays (for instance, no points are rewarded for tackles on a special teams play, but they are on all offense/defense snaps.

Last night Winfield recovered a blocked field goal (not sure if he blocked it or not) and returned that ball for a TD. Based on the explanation above, how do you all think this should be scored? Should he get 6 for the TD, and if so under what classification would it fit? If he shouldn't get 6, what is the rationale? I really don't have a vested interest in how this plays out one way or the other, just looking for good impartial insight.

 

[Buffaloes]

IIRC, one of my idp leagues scored it as a defensive td and gave the appropriate yardage bonus points for Winfield....I don't think any points were added for fumble recovery or interception.

 

[Lash]

if you give DJax a TD for a punt return, you have to give Winfield a TD for the blocked FG return

they are BOTH special teams TDs

 

[Polish Hammer]

if you give DJax a TD for a punt return, you have to give Winfield a TD for the blocked FG returnthey are BOTH special teams TDs

Let me play devil's advocate here...the rules specify 6 points for a kick or punt return for a TD. Would you (and does the NFL) classify this as a kick return even though it wasn't a kickoff but was a blocked FG attempt?

 

[thayman]

If you give out points for KR and PR I would think you would have to give it to him in this situation. If your league has been around for a bit do you know how you treated the FG returns from last year/year before?

 

[Polish Hammer]

If you give out points for KR and PR I would think you would have to give it to him in this situation. If your league has been around for a bit do you know how you treated the FG returns from last year/year before?

That's the trick, this is the first year we rewarded any points for special teams plays. I actually argued that it would come down to something like this, but nobody listened.

 

[Xue]

It should be considered a "return" TD the same way an unblocked, but short, missed FG gets returned for a TD a la Devin Hester vs Giants in 2006.

 

[Road Warriors]

if you give DJax a TD for a punt return, you have to give Winfield a TD for the blocked FG returnthey are BOTH special teams TDs

Let me play devil's advocate here...the rules specify 6 points for a kick or punt return for a TD. Would you (and does the NFL) classify this as a kick return even though it wasn't a kickoff but was a blocked FG attempt?

Reviewed this on MFL, and they have scoring categories for TDs from blocked punt/fg available. If you score team DEF/ST, this is a special team TD. If you score IDP, you'd need a specific category like the one MFL has.

 

[inca911]

Your rules seem to be incomplete. You should have the following clarifications in your rules:

"Defensive or Special Team TD" includes TD resulting from blocked punt, blocked field goal, recovery of a muffed kick, and return of a missed field goal

"Blocked Field Goal" includes catching a missed field goal attempt (2002 Chris McAlister rule)

"Fumble recovery from opponent offense" includes offensive fumble into the end zone resulting in defensive recovery and touchback, and includes when a ball carrier fumbles the ball within the field of play and the ball is not recovered prior to crossing the end line and being out of play

Special Teams play is not counted as Offensive Scoring for any individual player (e.g., Devin Hester) , and fake/botched punts and field goals are not considered part of Special Teams scoring, only regular Offensive Scoring.

Just checking into your rules a bit more, how is yardage after a player lateral during a passing play scored? Is it rushing yardage, passing yardage? What about yardage after a player lateral during a running play? What is yardage after a fumble counted as?

 

[garyd]

The key here is the kicking of the ball. I think this has been covered in other threads of this nature. Once the ball is actually kicked it becomes a special teams play and should be scored like any other kicking play. If the ball never gets kicked (fumble or fake) it should be scored via the normal offensive/defensive parameters.

 

[TommyGilmore]

Once the ball is actually kicked it becomes a special teams play

Are you sure about this? I thought the rule was, "Once the ball is kicked and it crosses the line of scrimmage"?

 

[ICON211]

Once the ball is actually kicked it becomes a special teams play

Are you sure about this? I thought the rule was, "Once the ball is kicked and it crosses the line of scrimmage"?

This is correct. The NFL considers blocked punts or FGs that do not cross the line of scrimmage to be defensive TDs. In one of my leagues this came up a few years ago since we award points for defensive TDs but not special teams.

 

[davearm]

Our league rules specify that if you have a player (say Desean Jackson) starting for your team and that player gets a kick or punt return for a TD you get 6 points (nothing for yardage). Likewise, if you have a defensive player that recovers a fumble (or has an interception) and returns that for a TD, you get 6 points for that TD along with whatever INT or fumble points are appropriate. There isn't anything specific that covers "Special Teams" plays (for instance, no points are rewarded for tackles on a special teams play, but they are on all offense/defense snaps. Last night Winfield recovered a blocked field goal (not sure if he blocked it or not) and returned that ball for a TD. Based on the explanation above, how do you all think this should be scored? Should he get 6 for the TD, and if so under what classification would it fit? If he shouldn't get 6, what is the rationale? I really don't have a vested interest in how this plays out one way or the other, just looking for good impartial insight.

Seems to me the spirit of the rule suggests that any individual player that scores a TD, regardless of how, gets you 6 points.

 

[thayman]

Our league rules specify that if you have a player (say Desean Jackson) starting for your team and that player gets a kick or punt return for a TD you get 6 points (nothing for yardage). Likewise, if you have a defensive player that recovers a fumble (or has an interception) and returns that for a TD, you get 6 points for that TD along with whatever INT or fumble points are appropriate. There isn't anything specific that covers "Special Teams" plays (for instance, no points are rewarded for tackles on a special teams play, but they are on all offense/defense snaps. Last night Winfield recovered a blocked field goal (not sure if he blocked it or not) and returned that ball for a TD. Based on the explanation above, how do you all think this should be scored? Should he get 6 for the TD, and if so under what classification would it fit? If he shouldn't get 6, what is the rationale? I really don't have a vested interest in how this plays out one way or the other, just looking for good impartial insight.

Seems to me the spirit of the rule suggests that any individual player that scores a TD, regardless of how, gets you 6 points.

It seems that way to me as well. I had this issue in one IDP league, we added kick return teams helped get rid of all the special team confusion.