looking for help with my second rd pick (1 Viewer)

[masterflor]

after speaking with some owners in my 12 team non ppr redraft, barring any shocking changes i know exactly what players i will be looking at in the second round. i have the 8th pick. so this is pick 2.05

(assuming i take either westbrook or parker in the 1st, let me mention we start 2 wr, 1 rb and 1 rb/wr so basically 2wrs 2rbs)

rbs that will be left

ronnie brown

mjd

thomas jones

clinton portis

cedric benson

wrs that will be left

everyone but steve smith

my league is rb heavy at times and prone to go on runs

my worry is passing up one of those rbs for a top wr (who to take i wouldnt even know maybe holt or marvin)

and then not being able to get a good second running back.

would you feel comfortable fielding a starting team that looked like : fwp, holt, boldin, duece mccalister

or rather have one like: fwp, mjd, javon walker, andre johnson

any advice in strategy would be appreciated

THANKS!

 

[BigSteelThrill]

As you have to sit through the turn, there is a good chance that all the RBs could be gone.

Dont risk it.

I would take one of:

ronnie brown

mjd

thomas jones

cedric benson

Then grab the WR (or Gates) on the way back.

 

[masterflor]

thanks for the reply bigsteel, which rb would you lean to

i like mjd but i know hes only going to get 200 carries or so compared to a thomas jones or ronnie brown(not a fan)

but i feel like pullin the trigger on those guys there is a little reach

 

[BigSteelThrill]

He only had 166 carries last year.

210 total touches. Its a non ppr which is a good for him.

You like MJD then take MJD.

He is good enough as a #2 as is.

If anything happens to Taylor... he is an elite #1.

 

[RalphMouth]

I'm in the exact situation like yourself and I'm pulling my hair out trying to decide what I'm going to do.

I'm a R Brown fan if he played for a different team other than Miami. MJD scares me too - was last year an aberration?

T Jones is already hurt and I'm afraid that Leon could take away several downs. C Benson intrigues me. Chicago is a run first team. Great run blocking O-line. Great defense will put the offense in good field position. Just have to wonder if he can stay healthy and remain sane.

Portis' nagging injuries scare me too. He's a boom or bust back.

Problem here is that there aren't any 'sure things' at RB in that draft position.

but ........WR is also a tough spot to guess

J Walker could easily become a top 5 WR- Marvin should be great again but he's not getting any younger so one of these years he's going to lose the #1

job in Indy and not produce top numbers.

I honestly don't know what to do and hope this topic gets several responses from the shark pool.

 

[benbadman]

Definitely grab a solid RB2, but go with a guy that has upside to be more like a RB1.5, 1400+ total yards 10TDs.

general comments:

Portis seems to be sliding in drafts, but in a 12team league I doubt he'd get to you in the 3rd round.

Ronnie Brown- I just dont think he can get you 10+ TD.

MJD - solid player, really have to love this kid if your league is thinking about adding a keeper player next year - but he's RBBC 40/60 to 50/50 you want a semi-stud

Benson - I'd pass. He's like 70% risk, 20% RB2, 10% stud. You can grab A. Peterson (bears) cheap as a handcuff later though if you roll the dice with Benson

I'd take Portis and not look back. Going into 2006 before the preseason injury he was a top4-5 RB no questions asked. When he played in 2006 he got you a TD a game.

To protect your investment, you need to grab Betts in rd 6/7;; much like Larry Johnson & Priest Holmes in 2005. Whoever is the healthy workhorse of Portis/Betts is a solid play at RB2. If Portis is playing most of the season, he will give you a dozen TDs. If he goes down, Betts will get you the yardage for sure, if your league is less TD-heavy then it can still work out.

Look for Cadillac in Rd 4/5 as a solid RB3 for depth. The Bucs have a super easy schedule after the first few weeks, and I really think Garcia could have the Bucs in the playoff race in a wide-open NFC South. Given the right weapons on offense Garcia is a proven playmaker; and given the easy schedule I think the Bucs could turn in a 9 or 10 win campaign with a few plays going their way here and there. I like Garcia as a bargain bin QB2 or QB3 in deep leagues, someone with some good matchups that can mesh with bye weeks & tough games for your QB1 or QBBC.

 

[masterflor]

thanks for that indepth info

i have a hard time pulling the trigger on portis being that my draft is later today though

are there any updates on his status, because last i heard he went to dr andrews and that seems serious

 

[The Man with the Plan]

Draft MJD and Fred Taylor (reach if you have to). At worst you have two good running backs and at best you have a great one in Maurice Jones-Drew.

 

[gump]

I'll be the wrench in this plan and say go WR.

It may depend on how many you start...but...where do TO, Harrison, Wayne, Holt, etc rank on your VBD? If they are ranked in the mid-teens and equal to or ahead of those RBs, as they are on mine, go with one of those.

Then hope Portis or Benson fall to you in the 3rd. That's happened A LOT lately in my mocks.

 

[masterflor]

gump, im pretty assured that if i go wr in rd 2, neither of those guys will be available in rd 3. i would venture to say that brandon jacobs wont be there either and that i would be beginning a run of wrs, that would lead to early 3rd round taking of the thomas jones', portis' and so on

im feeling that value wise stands at wr however strategy wise i would be giving my opponents in the top half of the draft a #1-5 rb, a #3-8 wr, and #12-15 rb whereas i will have a #8 rb, # 2 wr and #??? rb2

i may be leaning towards mjd with the whole go big or go home mentality but should i cuff fred taylor or is that a waste and i should try to get a deangelo williams, ahman green, adrian peterson to back them up?

 

[The Man with the Plan]

gump, im pretty assured that if i go wr in rd 2, neither of those guys will be available in rd 3. i would venture to say that brandon jacobs wont be there either and that i would be beginning a run of wrs, that would lead to early 3rd round taking of the thomas jones', portis' and so on

im feeling that value wise stands at wr however strategy wise i would be giving my opponents in the top half of the draft a #1-5 rb, a #3-8 wr, and #12-15 rb whereas i will have a #8 rb, # 2 wr and #??? rb2

i may be leaning towards mjd with the whole go big or go home mentality but should i cuff fred taylor or is that a waste and i should try to get a deangelo williams, ahman green, adrian peterson to back them up?

Not at all. Fred Taylor was a top 20 rb (18th) last season. For where he's getting drafted (7th-8th round) I don't think it'll be a wasted pick. Right now I'd rather have Taylor than Williams,Green,Peterson. And of course if he ever gets hurt well here comes the revolution.

 

[masterflor]

this is true, i am still completely confused at this point and know that my pick dictates how the rest of that round is going to go so with the draft 8 hours away, i can use all the opinions i can get

 

[masterflor]

added a poll for those who would rather respond that way, any help please

 

[packersfan]

gump, im pretty assured that if i go wr in rd 2, neither of those guys will be available in rd 3. i would venture to say that brandon jacobs wont be there either and that i would be beginning a run of wrs, that would lead to early 3rd round taking of the thomas jones', portis' and so on

I'd have zero problems with Jones, Lynch or McAllister as my RB2 and I'd probably gamble a bit on Cadillac as well. I've posted this in other threads but I don't think there's a lot of difference between someone like Ronnie Brown, for example, and Jones or Lynch or maybe even Adrian Peterson (assuming he takes the starting job). Peterson would definitely be a home run pick as your RB2 but if the rest of your team is strong it might be a pick to consider. The point I'm making is given how I don't think there's much separation between the 13-16 RBs and the 20-25 group I'd take the stud WR in the second and then see who's on the board at RB in the third. Let's say you start off with Parker and then grab Chad Johnson in the second. If Lynch falls to you in the third you have a foundation of:RB-ParkerRB-LynchRB-C.JohnsonNow you have the possibility of grabbing another Top 15 WR in the fourth such as Housh, Boldin, Andre Johnson, Driver, Colston or Evans or taking another RB if it's a flex league or grabbing an elite QB such as Brees, Brady or Bulger. If you start off with:QB-BreesRB-ParkerRB-LynchWR-JohnsonWR-DriverThat's a pretty strong start to your draft in my opinion in any scoring system.

 

[masterflor]

gump, im pretty assured that if i go wr in rd 2, neither of those guys will be available in rd 3. i would venture to say that brandon jacobs wont be there either and that i would be beginning a run of wrs, that would lead to early 3rd round taking of the thomas jones', portis' and so on

I'd have zero problems with Jones, Lynch or McAllister as my RB2 and I'd probably gamble a bit on Cadillac as well. I've posted this in other threads but I don't think there's a lot of difference between someone like Ronnie Brown, for example, and Jones or Lynch or maybe even Adrian Peterson (assuming he takes the starting job). Peterson would definitely be a home run pick as your RB2 but if the rest of your team is strong it might be a pick to consider. The point I'm making is given how I don't think there's much separation between the 13-16 RBs and the 20-25 group I'd take the stud WR in the second and then see who's on the board at RB in the third. Let's say you start off with Parker and then grab Chad Johnson in the second. If Lynch falls to you in the third you have a foundation of:RB-ParkerRB-LynchRB-C.JohnsonNow you have the possibility of grabbing another Top 15 WR in the fourth such as Housh, Boldin, Andre Johnson, Driver, Colston or Evans or taking another RB if it's a flex league or grabbing an elite QB such as Brees, Brady or Bulger. If you start off with:QB-BreesRB-ParkerRB-LynchWR-JohnsonWR-DriverThat's a pretty strong start to your draft in my opinion in any scoring system.

and to be honest , this is my fifth year in the league and that has been the approach i have usually takeni have valued rb1 wr1 wr2 the most and it has worked out pretty decent (4 playoffs, 1 championship, 1 second place) but for some reason this year i feel more uncomfortable with those guys like lynch and peterson in a starting role.in the past i would go: strong rb 1, then top wrs for rd 2 and 3, and rd 4 get the guy i knew would produce but fall ( warrick dunn has been helpful there for me in past) but i lack confidence in a lot of these players now, either cuz most are rookies, dissapointing sophomores or vets splitting timethats why i dont know if id be better off with instead of a team you suggested a team that looked more likeQB BREESRB PARKERRB MJDWR ANQUAN BOLDINWR LAVERNEUS COLES

 

[packersfan]

It really comes down to this:

If you think the RB on the board in the second is going to be a consistent RB2 and maybe even better and you have no worries about him whatsoever then take him. You should be able to find quality WRs on the board in the third and fourth rounds. But if you either have issues about the RBs who will be on the board (and I have all sorts of issues with Brown as an example) and/or don't think there's much difference between that group and the RBs who will be on the board in the third than take the stud WR.

So ultimately it has to be your call and that's what I would base the decision on - whatever you decide with regard to the question posed above.

 

[masterflor]

packersfan,

that is a very interesting point you bring up. i do feel theres a difference btwn the rb's mentioned above and the tier below. i think thats what will force my hand to go rb in the second. i too have huge problems with brown, and as of today dont think id risk portis. it comes down to mjd ( boom or bust) or thomas jones( consistency but value there not so much) i could possibly trade down in the second and get both

oh fantasy football

 

[((Morpheus))]

Interesting topic. I think there is a huge dropoff around pick 15, and that the guys from 15-25 are essentially interchangeable. Navigating this minefield is where leagues will be won/lost.

I'm in the RB camp. Even if it feels early, I think Portis/R. Brown is the way to go here.

 

[masterflor]

not thomas jones? i think hes the safest pick behind that o line

 

[masterflor]

im surprised by the overwhelming poll love for clinton portis

is there some news i dont know about? not really looking for two injury given backs ( if westbrook is #1 pick) and ladell betts handcuff not too crazy about

 

[Grahamburn]

Interesting topic. I think there is a huge dropoff around pick 15, and that the guys from 15-25 are essentially interchangeable. Navigating this minefield is where leagues will be won/lost.I'm in the RB camp. Even if it feels early, I think Portis/R. Brown is the way to go here.

I also have the eighth selection in my league. I'm looking at going after Portis in the second round and not looking back. Of all the players you can get at the 2.5 position, Portis seems to be the only one who has a legitimate shot at putting up top five numbers. He already has three fifteen hundred yard rushing seasons under his belt with double digit touchdowns in each of those years.Portis doesn't have much of an injury history before last season, which I guess is why so many people are avoiding him in drafts. I'm targeting Travis Henry in the first, but I feel whichever back you draft in the first coupled with Portis gives you quite a tandem at the running back position. Another plus to grabbing a running back is the fact that the receivers to choose from in the third and fourth rounds all have potential to put up top five or top ten numbers. I don't see you grabbing a RB2 in the third round with that kind of potential.My first post here fellas, hope I could be of some help.

 

[masterflor]

as this thread progresses

im stuck between

thomas jones

mjd

portis

probably in that order

 

[masterflor]

40 minutes to draft ANYONE ELSEEEE

 

[Sylira21]

I'm not liking T Jones as a second rouind back. There's a lot of ?'s in the Jets offense, in my mind.

Gotta agree with Portis. He's got the best pedigree and the best situation.

Ronnie Brown would be halfway decent too, but I just can't see the Dolphins scoring enough to make him more than an average #2.

 

[j3r3m3y]

In any poll where I am allowed to select multiple answers I do so.

Also, wrong forum.