Looks like Clemens could be going to jail (1 Viewer)

[GroveDiesel]

Receipts reportedly exist that show HGH shipments to Clemens.

 

[=Smackdown=]

Awesome - lying cheating scum.

 

[wadegarrett]

Receipts reportedly exist that show HGH shipments to Clemens.

[attorney] Still doesn't prove he ever used steroids or HGH, only that it was shipped to his house.[/attorney]

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

If he did them and then lied about it under oath, he should.

He could have just let that stupid report go or manned up and did what Pettite did, confess and appeal to our sympathy.

After Clemens swore under oath and he was in there telling government officials that they could go home and tell their children that he did things the right way, I said right then when watching it live if he's guilty, I hope he goes to jail.

I don't really care that much that he took the stuff if he indeed did. As soon as you get on the stand, start telling every sucker that will listen that you can tell your kids that the world's still ok, Roger didn't do anything wrong and you're then fibbing thru your teeth, I lose all respect for his character.

Put him in the same boat as Pete Rose, a liar and a cheater.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Receipts reportedly exist that show HGH shipments to Clemens.

[attorney] Still doesn't prove he ever used steroids or HGH, only that it was shipped to his house.[/attorney]

It's all going to depend on who signed for the package. Clemens claimed that he had no knowledge that his wife was taking HGH. If he signed for the package, then that blows that claim out of the water. If he didn't, then I think you're right, he has plausible deniability.

 

[Statorama]

Receipts reportedly exist that show HGH shipments to Clemens.

[attorney] Still doesn't prove he ever used steroids or HGH, only that it was shipped to his house.[/attorney]

It's all going to depend on who signed for the package. Clemens claimed that he had no knowledge that his wife was taking HGH. If he signed for the package, then that blows that claim out of the water. If he didn't, then I think you're right, he has plausible deniability.

Still pretty easy to lawyer himself around this. If someone sent an unmarked package to my house, I'd probably sign for it. If I opened it up and it had steroids in it, that doesn't necessarily mean I do steroids.The lawyer could claim that due to all the negative publicity surrounding Mr. Clemens, he is open to having many unsavory characters send unsolicited steroids to his home. (to protect against future accusations)

edit to add: That said, Clemens has handled this thing like an idiot.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Guy has always been a jerk, this changes little except public perception.

 

[T Bell]

Receipts reportedly exist that show HGH shipments to Clemens.

[attorney] Still doesn't prove he ever used steroids or HGH, only that it was shipped to his house.[/attorney]

It's all going to depend on who signed for the package. Clemens claimed that he had no knowledge that his wife was taking HGH. If he signed for the package, then that blows that claim out of the water. If he didn't, then I think you're right, he has plausible deniability.

What they'll do is also bring drug charges against his wife, and let her and him figure out what they want to do with this. That will get interesting.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Receipts reportedly exist that show HGH shipments to Clemens.

[attorney] Still doesn't prove he ever used steroids or HGH, only that it was shipped to his house.[/attorney]

It's all going to depend on who signed for the package. Clemens claimed that he had no knowledge that his wife was taking HGH. If he signed for the package, then that blows that claim out of the water. If he didn't, then I think you're right, he has plausible deniability.

Still pretty easy to lawyer himself around this. If someone sent an unmarked package to my house, I'd probably sign for it. If I opened it up and it had steroids in it, that doesn't necessarily mean I do steroids.The lawyer could claim that due to all the negative publicity surrounding Mr. Clemens, he is open to having many unsavory characters send unsolicited steroids to his home. (to protect against future accusations)

edit to add: That said, Clemens has handled this thing like an idiot.

Well, it was addressed specifically to him from someone that he knew. And this was sent years ago, long before steroid accusations against him. So his lawyer wouldn't be able to claim that someone was trying to frame him.

 

[Statorama]

Receipts reportedly exist that show HGH shipments to Clemens.

[attorney] Still doesn't prove he ever used steroids or HGH, only that it was shipped to his house.[/attorney]

It's all going to depend on who signed for the package. Clemens claimed that he had no knowledge that his wife was taking HGH. If he signed for the package, then that blows that claim out of the water. If he didn't, then I think you're right, he has plausible deniability.

Still pretty easy to lawyer himself around this. If someone sent an unmarked package to my house, I'd probably sign for it. If I opened it up and it had steroids in it, that doesn't necessarily mean I do steroids.The lawyer could claim that due to all the negative publicity surrounding Mr. Clemens, he is open to having many unsavory characters send unsolicited steroids to his home. (to protect against future accusations)

edit to add: That said, Clemens has handled this thing like an idiot.

Well, it was addressed specifically to him from someone that he knew. And this was sent years ago, long before steroid accusations against him. So his lawyer wouldn't be able to claim that someone was trying to frame him.

Right. I just think it would be prudent of Clemens to protect himself from some prankster that sends a couple of cases of the stuff over to him this weekend.But back on the subject, aren't the reciepts just a record of a package being sent? How can they prove that the package contained HGH? Couldn't Clemens claim that it contained B-12 vitamins? Or chocolate chip cookies?

 

[GroveDiesel]

Receipts reportedly exist that show HGH shipments to Clemens.

[attorney] Still doesn't prove he ever used steroids or HGH, only that it was shipped to his house.[/attorney]

It's all going to depend on who signed for the package. Clemens claimed that he had no knowledge that his wife was taking HGH. If he signed for the package, then that blows that claim out of the water. If he didn't, then I think you're right, he has plausible deniability.

Still pretty easy to lawyer himself around this. If someone sent an unmarked package to my house, I'd probably sign for it. If I opened it up and it had steroids in it, that doesn't necessarily mean I do steroids.The lawyer could claim that due to all the negative publicity surrounding Mr. Clemens, he is open to having many unsavory characters send unsolicited steroids to his home. (to protect against future accusations)

edit to add: That said, Clemens has handled this thing like an idiot.

Well, it was addressed specifically to him from someone that he knew. And this was sent years ago, long before steroid accusations against him. So his lawyer wouldn't be able to claim that someone was trying to frame him.

Right. I just think it would be prudent of Clemens to protect himself from some prankster that sends a couple of cases of the stuff over to him this weekend.But back on the subject, aren't the reciepts just a record of a package being sent? How can they prove that the package contained HGH? Couldn't Clemens claim that it contained B-12 vitamins? Or chocolate chip cookies?

Well, the guy with the receipts is one of the guys that has claimed he sent HGH to Clemens. The receipts matchup up with the timeframe that he said he sent them. He's the guy saying that the packages contained HGH.So while Clemens could say that the guy is lying and that the packages contained something else, you have the word of the guy that has said that he sent Clemens HGH with receipts saying that the package contained HGH.

I don't know what the burden is for proving perjury, but the circumstantial evidence is getting pretty substantial. About the only things more incriminating at this point would be a signed receipt for HGH or a photo/video of Clemens shooting up. We already have needles being tested that supposedely have his DNA and HGH on them. If those test positive for both his DNA and HGH, and the guy that claims to have sent Clemens HGH has mailing receipts, I'm not sure how Clemens would have a leg to stand on.

 

[Koya]

Receipts reportedly exist that show HGH shipments to Clemens.

[attorney] Still doesn't prove he ever used steroids or HGH, only that it was shipped to his house.[/attorney]

It's all going to depend on who signed for the package. Clemens claimed that he had no knowledge that his wife was taking HGH. If he signed for the package, then that blows that claim out of the water. If he didn't, then I think you're right, he has plausible deniability.

Still pretty easy to lawyer himself around this. If someone sent an unmarked package to my house, I'd probably sign for it. If I opened it up and it had steroids in it, that doesn't necessarily mean I do steroids.The lawyer could claim that due to all the negative publicity surrounding Mr. Clemens, he is open to having many unsavory characters send unsolicited steroids to his home. (to protect against future accusations)

edit to add: That said, Clemens has handled this thing like an idiot.

Well, it was addressed specifically to him from someone that he knew. And this was sent years ago, long before steroid accusations against him. So his lawyer wouldn't be able to claim that someone was trying to frame him.

Right. I just think it would be prudent of Clemens to protect himself from some prankster that sends a couple of cases of the stuff over to him this weekend.But back on the subject, aren't the reciepts just a record of a package being sent? How can they prove that the package contained HGH? Couldn't Clemens claim that it contained B-12 vitamins? Or chocolate chip cookies?

Well, the guy with the receipts is one of the guys that has claimed he sent HGH to Clemens. The receipts matchup up with the timeframe that he said he sent them. He's the guy saying that the packages contained HGH.So while Clemens could say that the guy is lying and that the packages contained something else, you have the word of the guy that has said that he sent Clemens HGH with receipts saying that the package contained HGH.

I don't know what the burden is for proving perjury, but the circumstantial evidence is getting pretty substantial. About the only things more incriminating at this point would be a signed receipt for HGH or a photo/video of Clemens shooting up. We already have needles being tested that supposedely have his DNA and HGH on them. If those test positive for both his DNA and HGH, and the guy that claims to have sent Clemens HGH has mailing receipts, I'm not sure how Clemens would have a leg to stand on.

The circumstantial evidence is becoming VERY strong at this point. Most cases dont have a literal smoking gun - if they do, they arent much of a case and you don't hear much about them. The fact is, the prosecution has a HUGE amount working in their favor at this point to prove beyond a REASONABLE doubt that Clemens did take HGH and did lie about it.

 

[culdeus]

Receipts reportedly exist that show HGH shipments to Clemens.

[attorney] Still doesn't prove he ever used steroids or HGH, only that it was shipped to his house.[/attorney]

It's all going to depend on who signed for the package. Clemens claimed that he had no knowledge that his wife was taking HGH. If he signed for the package, then that blows that claim out of the water. If he didn't, then I think you're right, he has plausible deniability.

Who in the hell signs for packages anymore?

 

[T Bell]

Receipts reportedly exist that show HGH shipments to Clemens.

[attorney] Still doesn't prove he ever used steroids or HGH, only that it was shipped to his house.[/attorney]

It's all going to depend on who signed for the package. Clemens claimed that he had no knowledge that his wife was taking HGH. If he signed for the package, then that blows that claim out of the water. If he didn't, then I think you're right, he has plausible deniability.

Who in the hell signs for packages anymore?

FedEx and UPS down? Every such delivery to my office gets signed for. Certain types of deliveries require people signing for it even at residences.

 

[Mookie Blaylock]

Receipts reportedly exist that show HGH shipments to Clemens.

[attorney] Still doesn't prove he ever used steroids or HGH, only that it was shipped to his house.[/attorney]

It's all going to depend on who signed for the package. Clemens claimed that he had no knowledge that his wife was taking HGH. If he signed for the package, then that blows that claim out of the water. If he didn't, then I think you're right, he has plausible deniability.

What they'll do is also bring drug charges against his wife, and let her and him figure out what they want to do with this. That will get interesting.

This would be friggin awesome.

 

[Liquid Tension]

If he did them and then lied about it under oath, he should.He could have just let that stupid report go or manned up and did what Pettite did, confess and appeal to our sympathy.After Clemens swore under oath and he was in there telling government officials that they could go home and tell their children that he did things the right way, I said right then when watching it live if he's guilty, I hope he goes to jail.I don't really care that much that he took the stuff if he indeed did. As soon as you get on the stand, start telling every sucker that will listen that you can tell your kids that the world's still ok, Roger didn't do anything wrong and you're then fibbing thru your teeth, I lose all respect for his character.Put him in the same boat as Pete Rose, a liar and a cheater.

We know Pete lied, we surely think Clemens did and assuming he did lie I agree with you 100%. The lying under oath is the stuff that bothers me. Not to turn this political, but I think (like Clemens), why did Clinton have to respond to questions under oath? I mean Bush refused to answer questions under oath so why the heck did Clinton? I also could care less if Clinton needed 6 hummers a day by girl scouts to run the country well (hyperbole warning). However, when he was under oath he MUST tell the truth and he didn't and just like Clemens; I lost respect for that. You can't have that in this country!

 

[Doctor Detroit]

What a waste of the taxpayer's money, awful.

 

[Premier]

People funna get fired over this one.