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Losman or Edwards: Week 7 and beyond.. (1 Viewer)

AllVolUT

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Looking for a little more info into the Bills QB situation for the rest of the season. Some people say Losman, others say Edwards. This is all the information I have been able to attain thus far:

Oct 11: Mark Gaughan, of the Buffalo News, reports Buffalo Bills offensive coordinator Steve Fairchild said QB Trent Edwards, QB J.P. Losman (knee) and QB Craig Nall all got the same amount of snaps during practice Wednesday, Oct. 11.

Are the Bills ready to give up on Losman? Any info is much appreciated..GL tomorrow fellas.

 
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There has been no official news on the local front about who will start once Losman is healthy other than Jauron stating he will play whomever gives the team the best chance to win. Who that is, is anyones guess.

 
Edwards is has poise and accuracy.

Two traits that are important for a leadership role say a QB.

He is your guy. Now as far as week 7. I wouldn't be shocked to see Losman get the start only because he went out with an injury. But guarenteed if they lose week 7 regardless if its Losman or Edwards. Edwards will continue the rest of the way.

 
Edwards looked weak to me.

3 points vs. a mediocre Dallas defense.

17 points vs. a weak Jets defense.

Losman looked mediocre early because they were playing good defenses.

JP should start the next couple games and if he continues to struggle, go with Edwards.

 
What a fall from grace...Losman was a potential break out candidate, and now he is beat out by a rookie from Stanford.

From a fantasy perspective, I can only hope they start Losman...but in defense to Jauron, Edwards may actually give them a better shot to win.

 
Edwards looked weak to me.

3 points vs. a mediocre Dallas defense.

17 points vs. a weak Jets defense.

Losman looked mediocre early because they were playing good defenses.JP should start the next couple games and if he continues to struggle, go with Edwards.
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Edwards looked like McNair , dink and dunk and dink and dunk he was nt really impressive.

Losman will get his job back and if he does nt play well then they might go back to Edwards , but i dont think he played well enough to keep the job.

And actually he lost the gane to dallas , he had so many opportunities to put point on the board and he did nt .

 
smells like QBBC to me.

okay, now that this cloud of weed smoke has cleared up... I hope it's Losman, for the sake of Lee Evans. But I also think it'll at least be Losman for a game or two since he lost the job due to injuries. Funny but I think Edwards was one late-game interception away from keeping his job for good. (well, probably also minus that Nick Folk field goal)

 
Losman gives them the best chance to win. :blackdot:

They need to win very badly. :yes:

If Losman is healthy, he will start, until they are out of it (insert smac here).

:jawdrop:

Once out of it, the controversy really begins. :banned:

 
Edwards has shown that he can play at the NFL level, as a rookie. He may not have pushed the ball down the field, but also did not make any bad decisions (the INT against Dallas was tipped at the line) the way Losman has. As a Bills homer, I hope they start Edwards so he can get some experience before next season.

 
If they are going to dink and dunk all game and never go long they wont win with either guy. If the want to open up a pitiful offense then play JP. Edwards plays like K Ortin did for Chi.. Safe and dont make mistakes. It doesnt work for production. Sure he doesnt cost them the game but you dont win many games either.

 
If they are going to dink and dunk all game and never go long they wont win with either guy. If the want to open up a pitiful offense then play JP. Edwards plays like K Ortin did for Chi.. Safe and dont make mistakes. It doesnt work for production. Sure he doesnt cost them the game but you dont win many games either.
You say Edwards "dinks and dunks", so how do you explain Edwards having a lot better yards per pass attempt average? Losman is at 5.4 on the season and Edwards is at 6.4.
 
If they are going to dink and dunk all game and never go long they wont win with either guy. If the want to open up a pitiful offense then play JP. Edwards plays like K Ortin did for Chi.. Safe and dont make mistakes. It doesnt work for production. Sure he doesnt cost them the game but you dont win many games either.
You say Edwards "dinks and dunks", so how do you explain Edwards having a lot better yards per pass attempt average? Losman is at 5.4 on the season and Edwards is at 6.4.
:shrug: There are, however, extenuating circumstances to the equation. I just find it hard how JP can fall so hard based on 2 games vs. a couple of the top-rated defenses in the league...
 
If they are going to dink and dunk all game and never go long they wont win with either guy. If the want to open up a pitiful offense then play JP. Edwards plays like K Ortin did for Chi.. Safe and dont make mistakes. It doesnt work for production. Sure he doesnt cost them the game but you dont win many games either.
You say Edwards "dinks and dunks", so how do you explain Edwards having a lot better yards per pass attempt average? Losman is at 5.4 on the season and Edwards is at 6.4.
Losman faced Denver/Pittsburgh (two tough defenses)Edwards faced New England/NY Jets / Dallas (one tough defense)
 
If they are going to dink and dunk all game and never go long they wont win with either guy. If the want to open up a pitiful offense then play JP. Edwards plays like K Ortin did for Chi.. Safe and dont make mistakes. It doesnt work for production. Sure he doesnt cost them the game but you dont win many games either.
You say Edwards "dinks and dunks", so how do you explain Edwards having a lot better yards per pass attempt average? Losman is at 5.4 on the season and Edwards is at 6.4.
;) There are, however, extenuating circumstances to the equation. I just find it hard how JP can fall so hard based on 2 games vs. a couple of the top-rated defenses in the league...
Losman did have the 14 for 21 for 97 yards game and a pick against Denver. That one game, albeit against a great pass defense, should have scared most Losman owners.One thing I would like to point out is that many saw the 7.1 YPA last season, even though that was MUCH higher than his average or the previous year, as a sign that Losman would turn it around if he had more pass attempts than the 429 through 16 games. But, maybe we should look at the high YPA as an aberration. Just a thought ...
 
If they are going to dink and dunk all game and never go long they wont win with either guy. If the want to open up a pitiful offense then play JP. Edwards plays like K Ortin did for Chi.. Safe and dont make mistakes. It doesnt work for production. Sure he doesnt cost them the game but you dont win many games either.
You say Edwards "dinks and dunks", so how do you explain Edwards having a lot better yards per pass attempt average? Losman is at 5.4 on the season and Edwards is at 6.4.
Losman faced Denver/Pittsburgh (two tough defenses)Edwards faced New England/NY Jets / Dallas (one tough defense)
my point was that the poster said one passer "dinks and dunks" implying the other threw down the field. To me, they are relatively close. It is way too early in 2007 to call this, imo. But, I owuld like to hear from anyone that thinks Losman played well in 2007. Teams play against good defenses all of the time. QBs can still play well.BTW, Dallas is ranked 7th in defense for YPA so they each faced two tough defenses.
 
AllVolUT said:
Are the Bills ready to give up on Losman, as he is heading into the free agent pool during the offseason? Any info is much appreciated..GL tomorrow fellas.
That is incorrect I believe, Losman has another year left on his contract after this one. The Bills have no free agents after this year.My guess would be Losman, but the team is giving no indication of who is going to start.
 
Edwards looked weak to me.

3 points vs. a mediocre Dallas defense.

17 points vs. a weak Jets defense.

Losman looked mediocre early because they were playing good defenses.

JP should start the next couple games and if he continues to struggle, go with Edwards.
Dear Mrs. Losman,Your son managed just 97 yards and 0 TDs against the #18 defense vs. QBs. Meanwhile, Edwards put up 197 yards against the #11 defense (Dallas).

 
If they are going to dink and dunk all game and never go long they wont win with either guy. If the want to open up a pitiful offense then play JP. Edwards plays like K Ortin did for Chi.. Safe and dont make mistakes. It doesnt work for production. Sure he doesnt cost them the game but you dont win many games either.
You say Edwards "dinks and dunks", so how do you explain Edwards having a lot better yards per pass attempt average? Losman is at 5.4 on the season and Edwards is at 6.4.
If you read my post i said te offense not Edwards. If you watch Bill's games you would know JP can get the ball down the field in the NFL.I didnt say his stats were Better this season. I see know reason the name JP your starter and then changing your mind after 2 games. Edwards had a good game. Alot of QB's have a good game. They need to open it up and I feel JP can do that. Notice i said I. But there is no reason to trow JP away and go with the Rookie. Edwards will be there learning. If your convinced JP will never be your starter then start Edwards.
 
Here is Losman's contract details. He's not a free agent till 2009:

7/21/2004: Signed a five-year, $24.5 million contract. The deal included a $5.6 million signing bonus and contains $16.8 million in incentives. 2007: $1.8 million, 2008: $650,000, 2009: Free Agent
 
Is Lee Evans worth snagging off the waiver wires? He's on many of them and problaby has the most upside of any wideout that isn't rostered right now. I am considering dropping Ahman Green for him in one league where I have Westbrook, ADP, and Portis.

Evans is notoriously a slow starter and could really turn it around.

 
Is Lee Evans worth snagging off the waiver wires? He's on many of them and problaby has the most upside of any wideout that isn't rostered right now. I am considering dropping Ahman Green for him in one league where I have Westbrook, ADP, and Portis. Evans is notoriously a slow starter and could really turn it around.
Assuming you can only start 2 RBs, I would. Each of your 3 already had their bye week, so that helps. I've said it so many times here that if it doesn't happen, I look like an idiot, but I expect weeks 10-17 to be very kind to Evans owners.
 
Buffalo wins today with Edwards at the helm. +

Buffalo 2-1 with Edwards, 0-3 with Losman +

11/21 for 153, 0 TDs, 1 INT -

I didn't see the game, and Baltimore has a good defense, how did Edwards play, aside from the stats?

Any indication that Edwards keeps the job?

 
Buffalo wins today with Edwards at the helm. +Buffalo 2-1 with Edwards, 0-3 with Losman +11/21 for 153, 0 TDs, 1 INT - I didn't see the game, and Baltimore has a good defense, how did Edwards play, aside from the stats?Any indication that Edwards keeps the job?
Did very well managing the game, especially since they were in the no-huddle practically all game long. Made very few mistakes and has much more poise than I expected for a rookie 3rd round pick.
 
Buffalo wins today with Edwards at the helm. +Buffalo 2-1 with Edwards, 0-3 with Losman +11/21 for 153, 0 TDs, 1 INT - I didn't see the game, and Baltimore has a good defense, how did Edwards play, aside from the stats?Any indication that Edwards keeps the job?
Not a Bills homer and I didn't watch the game, but I did watch all of the press conferences and I have been tracking the situation pretty closely.I think he keeps the job. This was a big win for Buffalo and while Edwards didn't light it up, he made just enough plays to let the team win the ball game. It's really tough to say what will happen going forward because we don't really have all the information we need to make that call, but my guess is that he'll be the guy as long as he continues to play well enough to keep the team competitive. Next week's game against the Jets should be interesting. They're not as good as the Ravens on D, so it will be a better opportunity for Edwards to shine. If he falters then it's possible that the team will go back to Losman and give him one last chance. But like I said, we don't really know what's going on behind the scenes. They might already see Edwards as their future.
 
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It's easy to say "Pittsburgh's defense is sick" - they are good. But most of their success is based on stuffing the run & pressuring the QB. Lynch did pretty well & the pass protection held up well. And still nothing from the passing game.

Regardless of that, the Levy/Jauron regime drafted Edwards but not Losman. Losman was healthy enough to play today. You'd have to be blind to not see the writing on the wall at this point, regardless of whatever jibberish Jauron says in his press conference..

 
It's easy to say "Pittsburgh's defense is sick" - they are good. But most of their success is based on stuffing the run & pressuring the QB. Lynch did pretty well & the pass protection held up well. And still nothing from the passing game. Regardless of that, the Levy/Jauron regime drafted Edwards but not Losman. Losman was healthy enough to play today. You'd have to be blind to not see the writing on the wall at this point, regardless of whatever jibberish Jauron says in his press conference..
I agree... But it's hard to pull Edwards when they beat the Jets, nearly beat the Cowboys, and now beat the Ravens. He could easily be 3-0 right now. Also, in the 2nd half they finally opened up the offense a little and took some deeper shots down field. Evans had the best game of the season so far and hopefully will build on this next week against a much weaker Jets defense.I wouldn't anticipate Edwards being removed unless he has a complete meltdown.
 
It's easy to say "Pittsburgh's defense is sick" - they are good. But most of their success is based on stuffing the run & pressuring the QB. Lynch did pretty well & the pass protection held up well. And still nothing from the passing game. Regardless of that, the Levy/Jauron regime drafted Edwards but not Losman. Losman was healthy enough to play today. You'd have to be blind to not see the writing on the wall at this point, regardless of whatever jibberish Jauron says in his press conference..
I agree... But it's hard to pull Edwards when they beat the Jets, nearly beat the Cowboys, and now beat the Ravens. He could easily be 3-0 right now. Also, in the 2nd half they finally opened up the offense a little and took some deeper shots down field. Evans had the best game of the season so far and hopefully will build on this next week against a much weaker Jets defense.I wouldn't anticipate Edwards being removed unless he has a complete meltdown.
What do you mean "but"? I'm saying Edwards is the guy and it's not even a debate right now. Perhaps "writing on the wall" was the wrong phrase since the change has already happened.
 
-Watched the whole game and Edwards was very average in this game and like the Dallas game almost cost his team the game with a terrible interception that lead to Baltimore getting back in the game in the second half.

-People keep on saying he is a good game manager which is very hard to agree with at this point. I mean a good manager wins games when your team gets 6 turn overs from the other team (he didin't against dallas). Good game managers don't throw bad interceptions when your team is up by 10 plus points in the second half on 3rd down and deep in your own end.

-He is a rookie and who knows how he will pan out or how this situation will play out, but he has been clearly average up to this point and anyone saying otherwise is fooling themselves. I am not impressed with him but I am not unimpressed either. I am tired of people getting overly excited about a guy who has thrown 1 TD in the last 3 games though and his team is struggling to put points on the board.

-I think he keeps the starting job for another week, but if they lose and he plays bad he will be pulled.

 
-Watched the whole game and Edwards was very average in this game and like the Dallas game almost cost his team the game with a terrible interception that lead to Baltimore getting back in the game in the second half. -People keep on saying he is a good game manager which is very hard to agree with at this point. I mean a good manager wins games when your team gets 6 turn overs from the other team (he didin't against dallas). Good game managers don't throw bad interceptions when your team is up by 10 plus points in the second half on 3rd down and deep in your own end. -He is a rookie and who knows how he will pan out or how this situation will play out, but he has been clearly average up to this point and anyone saying otherwise is fooling themselves. I am not impressed with him but I am not unimpressed either. I am tired of people getting overly excited about a guy who has thrown 1 TD in the last 3 games though and his team is struggling to put points on the board. -I think he keeps the starting job for another week, but if they lose and he plays bad he will be pulled.
Nobody is saying he's Brady. The point is that average = good by rookie standards. The fact that he's even comparable to Losman already (and arguably better) speaks volumes. Losman in his 1st year starting in 2005 was about 12 notches below average. He struggled to complete a pass vs. the dreadful defenses of the Falcons & Saints.
 
-Watched the whole game and Edwards was very average in this game and like the Dallas game almost cost his team the game with a terrible interception that lead to Baltimore getting back in the game in the second half. -People keep on saying he is a good game manager which is very hard to agree with at this point. I mean a good manager wins games when your team gets 6 turn overs from the other team (he didin't against dallas). Good game managers don't throw bad interceptions when your team is up by 10 plus points in the second half on 3rd down and deep in your own end. -He is a rookie and who knows how he will pan out or how this situation will play out, but he has been clearly average up to this point and anyone saying otherwise is fooling themselves. I am not impressed with him but I am not unimpressed either. I am tired of people getting overly excited about a guy who has thrown 1 TD in the last 3 games though and his team is struggling to put points on the board. -I think he keeps the starting job for another week, but if they lose and he plays bad he will be pulled.
Nobody is saying he's Brady. The point is that average = good by rookie standards. The fact that he's even comparable to Losman already (and arguably better) speaks volumes. Losman in his 1st year starting in 2005 was about 12 notches below average. He struggled to complete a pass vs. the dreadful defenses of the Falcons & Saints.
Yea, that pretty much nails it.Edwards has completed 66% of his passes for a yards per attempt average of 6.6 and a QB rating of 71.3. Compare those numbers to other first year starters:Trent Edwards - 66.0% - 6.6 - 71.3Carson Palmer - 60.9% - 6.7 - 77.3Drew Brees - 60.8% - 6.2 - 76.9Philp Rivers - 61.7% - 7.4 - 92.0Matt Hasselbeck - 54.8% - 6.3 - 70.9Tom Brady - 63.9% - 6.9 - 86.5Peyton Manning - 56.7% - 6.5 - 71.2 Ben Roethlisberger - 66.4% - 8.9 - 98.1 Steve McNair - 52.0% - 6.4 - 70.4 Eli Manning - 52.8% - 6.8 - 75.9First year QBs generally do not perform very well. Look at this list. The numbers Edwards is posting are in the same ballpark as what guys like Palmer, Brees, Hasselbeck, Peyton, Eli, and McNair put up in their first starting seasons. A number of those guys were actually 2nd-3rd year players when they got their first crack as a starter. Rivers had much better numbers, but he was a third year player in his first starting season. Brady was a second year player. Roethlisberger is really the only rookie QB in recent memory to come in and play like a Pro Bowler. I think we can all agree that he's an exception to the norm. There's no guarantee that Edwards will make any progress. Maybe teams will figure him out and his performance will actually regress. But you can't discount his performance so far. Merely being average is a major accomplishment for most rookie QBs. So when you take that into consideration, I'd say Edwards has played pretty well so far. People who expect him to be throwing for 250 yards and 2 scores every week aren't being realistic. Rookie QBs don't do that.
 
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-Watched the whole game and Edwards was very average in this game and like the Dallas game almost cost his team the game with a terrible interception that lead to Baltimore getting back in the game in the second half. -People keep on saying he is a good game manager which is very hard to agree with at this point. I mean a good manager wins games when your team gets 6 turn overs from the other team (he didin't against dallas). Good game managers don't throw bad interceptions when your team is up by 10 plus points in the second half on 3rd down and deep in your own end. -He is a rookie and who knows how he will pan out or how this situation will play out, but he has been clearly average up to this point and anyone saying otherwise is fooling themselves. I am not impressed with him but I am not unimpressed either. I am tired of people getting overly excited about a guy who has thrown 1 TD in the last 3 games though and his team is struggling to put points on the board. -I think he keeps the starting job for another week, but if they lose and he plays bad he will be pulled.
Nobody is saying he's Brady. The point is that average = good by rookie standards. The fact that he's even comparable to Losman already (and arguably better) speaks volumes. Losman in his 1st year starting in 2005 was about 12 notches below average. He struggled to complete a pass vs. the dreadful defenses of the Falcons & Saints.
Yea, that pretty much nails it.Edwards has completed 66% of his passes for a yards per attempt average of 6.6 and a QB rating of 71.3. Compare those numbers to other first year starters:Trent Edwards - 66.0% - 6.6 - 71.3Carson Palmer - 60.9% - 6.7 - 77.3Drew Brees - 60.8% - 6.2 - 76.9Philp Rivers - 61.7% - 7.4 - 92.0Matt Hasselbeck - 54.8% - 6.3 - 70.9Tom Brady - 63.9% - 6.9 - 86.5Peyton Manning - 56.7% - 6.5 - 71.2 Ben Roethlisberger - 66.4% - 8.9 - 98.1 Steve McNair - 52.0% - 6.4 - 70.4 Eli Manning - 52.8% - 6.8 - 75.9First year QBs generally do not perform very well. Look at this list. The numbers Edwards is posting are in the same ballpark as what guys like Palmer, Brees, Hasselbeck, Peyton, Eli, and McNair put up in their first starting seasons. A number of those guys were actually 2nd-3rd year players when they got their first crack as a starter. Rivers had much better numbers, but he was a third year player in his first starting season. Brady was a second year player. Roethlisberger is really the only rookie QB in recent memory to come in and play like a Pro Bowler. I think we can all agree that he's an exception to the norm. There's no guarantee that Edwards will make any progress. Maybe teams will figure him out and his performance will actually regress. But you can't discount his performance so far. Merely being average is a major accomplishment for most rookie QBs. So when you take that into consideration, I'd say Edwards has played pretty well so far. People who expect him to be throwing for 250 yards and 2 scores every week aren't being realistic. Rookie QBs don't do that.
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Edwards looked weak to me.

3 points vs. a mediocre Dallas defense.

17 points vs. a weak Jets defense.

Losman looked mediocre early because they were playing good defenses.

JP should start the next couple games and if he continues to struggle, go with Edwards.
"LOSMAN OWNER ALERT< WATCH FOR FALLING BS FROM ABOVE POSTER, P.Oed CAUSE LOSMAN LOST HIS JOB"I have never seen JP look as composed or calm as Edwards has looked behind center.

 
If they are going to dink and dunk all game and never go long they wont win with either guy. If the want to open up a pitiful offense then play JP. Edwards plays like K Ortin did for Chi.. Safe and dont make mistakes. It doesnt work for production. Sure he doesnt cost them the game but you dont win many games either.
You say Edwards "dinks and dunks", so how do you explain Edwards having a lot better yards per pass attempt average? Losman is at 5.4 on the season and Edwards is at 6.4.
Losman faced Denver/Pittsburgh (two tough defenses)Edwards faced New England/NY Jets / Dallas (one tough defense)
Why argue, its either Edwards going forward or Losman gets another shot. Yours and my evaluation means nothing to Coach Juron, And niether Pitts "D" or Denver looked particularly formidable sunday night.
 
-Watched the whole game and Edwards was very average in this game and like the Dallas game almost cost his team the game with a terrible interception that lead to Baltimore getting back in the game in the second half. -People keep on saying he is a good game manager which is very hard to agree with at this point. I mean a good manager wins games when your team gets 6 turn overs from the other team (he didin't against dallas). Good game managers don't throw bad interceptions when your team is up by 10 plus points in the second half on 3rd down and deep in your own end. -He is a rookie and who knows how he will pan out or how this situation will play out, but he has been clearly average up to this point and anyone saying otherwise is fooling themselves. I am not impressed with him but I am not unimpressed either. I am tired of people getting overly excited about a guy who has thrown 1 TD in the last 3 games though and his team is struggling to put points on the board. -I think he keeps the starting job for another week, but if they lose and he plays bad he will be pulled.
Nobody is saying he's Brady. The point is that average = good by rookie standards. The fact that he's even comparable to Losman already (and arguably better) speaks volumes. Losman in his 1st year starting in 2005 was about 12 notches below average. He struggled to complete a pass vs. the dreadful defenses of the Falcons & Saints.
Exactly. The fact that we're having a serious discussion as to whether the rookie gives us a better chance to win than our four-year veteran ought to tell us everything we need to know.
 
**** Jauron is making the call...so who the heck knows. IMO, Edwards should continue as starter.
**** Jauron is a pretty damn good coach. He may not be flashy, but he's a good coach.
Jauron seems to do a good job of getting his team ready to play and keeping his players motivated. His game day decision-making doesn't seem to be so great. Then again, a lot of that problem may lie with Steve Fairchild. If ever an offensive coordinator deserved another Buddy Ryan - Kevin Gilbride moment, it's this guy.
 
Edwards looked weak to me.

3 points vs. a mediocre Dallas defense.

17 points vs. a weak Jets defense.

Losman looked mediocre early because they were playing good defenses.

JP should start the next couple games and if he continues to struggle, go with Edwards.
"LOSMAN OWNER ALERT< WATCH FOR FALLING BS FROM ABOVE POSTER, P.Oed CAUSE LOSMAN LOST HIS JOB"I have never seen JP look as composed or calm as Edwards has looked behind center.
DORK ALERT! WATCH FOR STUPID RESPONSES FROM MDOG :thumbup: After beating Baltimore, I also now agree that Edwards should keep the job.

 
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Edwards looked weak to me.

3 points vs. a mediocre Dallas defense.

17 points vs. a weak Jets defense.

Losman looked mediocre early because they were playing good defenses.

JP should start the next couple games and if he continues to struggle, go with Edwards.
"LOSMAN OWNER ALERT< WATCH FOR FALLING BS FROM ABOVE POSTER, P.Oed CAUSE LOSMAN LOST HIS JOB"I have never seen JP look as composed or calm as Edwards has looked behind center.
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The problem I have with the Bills at this point is they themselves may not know who their QB of the future will be. I think if they 100% know that Losman is not going to be the guy than playing Edwards makes a ton of sense, but I think they really needed to evaluate Losman for more than 2 games this season to know that answer.

I mean Edwards is 23 and has done an average job at best this year. Last year Losman at the declining old age of 25 had a very good season. Lets revisit Losman's stats from last season: he threw for 3051 yards and had 19 TD's to 14 ints and completed 62% of his passes. He also, rushed for 140 yards and a TD on top of that. Those are very solid numbers especially for a 25 year old QB in his first full year as the starter. People continue to give Edwards the benefit of the doubt with his young age and saying he is a rookie which is true but people are failing to realize that Losman is/was still a young developing QB himself that lead a very average team last season to a 7 and 9 record and with some pretty good stats.

I remember when SD thought Brees was not their QB of the future either. I just think people are not giving Losman enough of a chance. The guy attemps a grand total of 47 passes this season before getting an unlucky injury that knocks him out and people are saying he is/was not the QB anyway so let him go. Losman will be given another chance to start with some team in the future whether he becomes something or not with that chance who knows, but I think Buffalo better know for sure that Losman is not their QB of the future if they continue to play Edwards.

 
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But they picked Edwards to start. That tells me they are done with Losman.Unless Edwards goes down JP wont start again. And if he does get his job back without an injury then they made a huge mistake. IMO they did. 2 games was not enough.. Why didnt they just start edwards week 1 or have a FA vet start if 2 games is all it took to bench your so-called franchise QB.. Either way Edwards better be that guy...

 
Carter_Can_Fly said:
The problem I have with the Bills at this point is they themselves may not know who their QB of the future will be. I think if they 100% know that Losman is not going to be the guy than playing Edwards makes a ton of sense, but I think they really needed to evaluate Losman for more than 2 games this season to know that answer.I mean Edwards is 23 and has done an average job at best this year. Last year Losman at the declining old age of 25 had a very good season. Lets revisit Losman's stats from last season: he threw for 3051 yards and had 19 TD's to 14 ints and completed 62% of his passes. He also, rushed for 140 yards and a TD on top of that. Those are very solid numbers especially for a 25 year old QB in his first full year as the starter. People continue to give Edwards the benefit of the doubt with his young age and saying he is a rookie which is true but people are failing to realize that Losman is/was still a young developing QB himself that lead a very average team last season to a 7 and 9 record and with some pretty good stats. I remember when SD thought Brees was not their QB of the future either. I just think people are not giving Losman enough of a chance. The guy attemps a grand total of 47 passes this season before getting an unlucky injury that knocks him out and people are saying he is/was not the QB anyway so let him go. Losman will be given another chance to start with some team in the future whether he becomes something or not with that chance who knows, but I think Buffalo better know for sure that Losman is not their QB of the future if they continue to play Edwards.
I understand what you're saying, and I had high hopes for Losman coming into this season, but to be honest I've seen all I need to see to conclude that I'd rather go with Edwards. Yes, Losman put up nice numbers down the stretch last year, but I honestly think those games were a little flukey. Even during his "hot streak," every time Losman dropped back to pass I always had this feeling in my gut that something horrible was about to happen. Basically, Losman was very bad up until around Week 10 or so last year (too lazy to look it up), and he was bad this year. I'm more inclined to think that last year's streak was the fluke and that his other games have been more representative of his true ability. Losman has a particular skill set that will tend to produce a few unusually big games that overstate his real quality as a player. The guy throws an outstanding deep ball, so of course if he puts a few games together where he successfully hooks up deep, his numbers are going to look pretty good. But that's largely just variance. In that respect, I would compare Losman to a guy like Jeff George. I'm not saying Losman is a whiny ######## like Jeff George was. I'm just saying that George could put together a string of very strong statistical outings, but he never had the mental makeup or the complete set of quarterbacking skills to develop into a guy you could build a team around. His stats weren't indicative of his actual level of play. I think the same thing holds with Losman. He doesn't have the mental ability to consistently win, and if you remove the deep ball, he doesn't bring much else to the table. It would be different if Edwards was playing horribly. If that was the case, yeah sure go back and take one last look at Losman. But I think EBF is 100% correct that Edwards has shown a lot of promise, and I'd just as soon focus on getting him developed for 2008. If the Bills go back to Losman, fine. He seems like a nice guy and I don't hate the idea of giving him another shot. But all that's probably going to accomplish is creating even more indecision when he puts up a couple of mediocre outings, and it makes it harder to see what we have in Edwards. In hindsight, it was obviously foolish for Mularkey to bench Losman in favor of Kelly Holcomb. Let's not repeat that mistake.
 
Edwards looked weak to me.3 points vs. a mediocre Dallas defense.17 points vs. a weak Jets defense.Losman looked mediocre early because they were playing good defenses.JP should start the next couple games and if he continues to struggle, go with Edwards.
Edwards is young but looks like he has potential.Losman is young but looks like he has potential.Right now though, Losman is better, by chunks and chunks. Had Losman been playing in the DAL game, and the Bills D played the way they did, the Bills would have won, because there's no way Buffalo gets held to a FG offensively.
 
Edwards looked weak to me.3 points vs. a mediocre Dallas defense.17 points vs. a weak Jets defense.Losman looked mediocre early because they were playing good defenses.JP should start the next couple games and if he continues to struggle, go with Edwards.
Edwards is young but looks like he has potential.Losman is young but looks like he has potential.Right now though, Losman is better, by chunks and chunks. Had Losman been playing in the DAL game, and the Bills D played the way they did, the Bills would have won, because there's no way Buffalo gets held to a FG offensively.
And you base this conclusion on what?his tremendous play against Denver and Pittsburgh? :cry:
 
Edwards looked weak to me.

3 points vs. a mediocre Dallas defense.

17 points vs. a weak Jets defense.

Losman looked mediocre early because they were playing good defenses.

JP should start the next couple games and if he continues to struggle, go with Edwards.
Dear Mrs. Losman,Your son managed just 97 yards and 0 TDs against the #18 defense vs. QBs. Meanwhile, Edwards put up 197 yards against the #11 defense (Dallas).
:cry:
 
I am pretty sure this is a situation where the Bills really want Edwards to be the guy, but they are not certain and really think the only way to figure it out is to keep him in the lineup until he looks completely lost on the field. He hasn't been perfect, but he is far from lost.

Ralphie boy was behind Losman for awhile but I think he had seen enough after the first two games when Losman had a total of 250 yards and 0 TD's. Ralph saw enough of Edwards in preseason that made him say, lets put the kid in there and see what he can do. He hasn't put up monster numbers but the team, (not necessarily on Edwards arm) has won two games and seconds away from winning all three that he started.

 
Edwards looked weak to me.3 points vs. a mediocre Dallas defense.17 points vs. a weak Jets defense.Losman looked mediocre early because they were playing good defenses.JP should start the next couple games and if he continues to struggle, go with Edwards.
Edwards is young but looks like he has potential.Losman is young but looks like he has potential.Right now though, Losman is better, by chunks and chunks. Had Losman been playing in the DAL game, and the Bills D played the way they did, the Bills would have won, because there's no way Buffalo gets held to a FG offensively.
You are speculating, of course, like everybody else. You don't know that Losman would have done better. If Edwards continues to improve slowly over the course of the year then Buffalo will likely try to trade one of these qb's. Given their propensity to run a tight financial ship Losman may be the odd man out. Losman could look pretty good to some of the teams with qb problems like Miami, Minn., Atlanta, San Fran. etc. Don't know what kind of a pick they could get but this is a team with needs and is in the process of rebuilding anyway. Losman did improve at the tail end of last year and developed a nice rapport with Evans. It is a shame he won't get a chance to build on that but maybe they see something in Edwards that they don't see in Losman. It may be mental which seemed to be the big issue with Losman last year anyway. Losman will get a chance somewhere.
 
Edwards looked weak to me.3 points vs. a mediocre Dallas defense.17 points vs. a weak Jets defense.Losman looked mediocre early because they were playing good defenses.JP should start the next couple games and if he continues to struggle, go with Edwards.
Edwards is young but looks like he has potential.Losman is young but looks like he has potential.Right now though, Losman is better, by chunks and chunks. Had Losman been playing in the DAL game, and the Bills D played the way they did, the Bills would have won, because there's no way Buffalo gets held to a FG offensively.
And you base this conclusion on what?his tremendous play against Denver and Pittsburgh? :)
Maybe because I've only seen Edwards throw 1 TD pass, and that was a 1 yard pass.
 

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