Losman or Edwards: Week 7 and beyond.. (1 Viewer)

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To add fuel to the fire:

BuffaloBillsInsider.com, citing ESPN, reports Buffalo Bills QB J.P. Losman is not starting in part due to ownership's financial considerations. Bills owner Ralph Wilson Jr. is under scrutiny from his players after rookie QB Trent Edwards was named the starting quarterback again this week, even though Losman is healthy, according to a source. One Bills player who wished to remain anonymous said many in the locker room believe Wilson's financial plight or philosophy has influenced the decision, which could save him millions in playing time incentives for Losman.

After the last few weeks I am almost ready to believe it.

 

[JP]

The real problem with comparing these two is that Losman is a 4th year player while Edwards is a rookie. It's easy to make a statement like "Losman is better than Edwards." But it's not fair to compare a rookie to a veteran with several years of practice and game experience under his belt.

Losman barely played as a rookie. As a second year player he completed 49.6% of 228 attempts for a yards per attempt average of 5.9 and a QB rating of 64.9. Those are lousy numbers. Edwards is playing better than that right now in his first NFL season.

I won't dispute that Losman might be the better passer right not, but that doesn't mean he's the better player and the better long-term solution. Edwards is playing relatively well in the context of being a rookie QB on a mediocre offense. It's certainly too soon to write him off.

Loseman reminds me a lot of a certain QB named Rob Johnson that was run out of town not that long ago. He has the tools but not the brains. How many seasons are they willing to sacrifice for the sake of finally proving, once and for all, that Loseman can't cut it as a winning QB.

 

[switz]

The real problem with comparing these two is that Losman is a 4th year player while Edwards is a rookie. It's easy to make a statement like "Losman is better than Edwards." But it's not fair to compare a rookie to a veteran with several years of practice and game experience under his belt.

Losman barely played as a rookie. As a second year player he completed 49.6% of 228 attempts for a yards per attempt average of 5.9 and a QB rating of 64.9. Those are lousy numbers. Edwards is playing better than that right now in his first NFL season.

I won't dispute that Losman might be the better passer right not, but that doesn't mean he's the better player and the better long-term solution. Edwards is playing relatively well in the context of being a rookie QB on a mediocre offense. It's certainly too soon to write him off.

Loseman reminds me a lot of a certain QB named Rob Johnson that was run out of town not that long ago. He has the tools but not the brains. How many seasons are they willing to sacrifice for the sake of finally proving, once and for all, that Loseman can't cut it as a winning QB.

You haven't watched a lot of football have you? Losman is NOTHING like Johnson, outside of both coming from California. Buffalo fans like you deserve to have 4 SB losses as your shining achievement. I'm so glad I moved away from that town. Great food, but a TON of lousy people.

 

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Now now switz, Buffalo has great food AND great people. We just happen to have alot of overly vocal clowns as well.

 

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Even more fuel for the fire. I got this off a Bills board from someone listening to the Lee Evens radio program:

I have a LOT of respect for Lee Evans....he has never come across as a locker room cancer....he IS a big play threat and one of my favorite players.....and he is flat out saying JPL should be the starter.....point, blank and period.I am worried about what is happening to the bills......scary times.

Where I picked up the conversation was where he was talking how JPL trotted out onto the field and you could tell that the jets and the jets fans were scared.....they knew they were in trouble.

 

[JP]

The real problem with comparing these two is that Losman is a 4th year player while Edwards is a rookie. It's easy to make a statement like "Losman is better than Edwards." But it's not fair to compare a rookie to a veteran with several years of practice and game experience under his belt.

Losman barely played as a rookie. As a second year player he completed 49.6% of 228 attempts for a yards per attempt average of 5.9 and a QB rating of 64.9. Those are lousy numbers. Edwards is playing better than that right now in his first NFL season.

I won't dispute that Losman might be the better passer right not, but that doesn't mean he's the better player and the better long-term solution. Edwards is playing relatively well in the context of being a rookie QB on a mediocre offense. It's certainly too soon to write him off.

Loseman reminds me a lot of a certain QB named Rob Johnson that was run out of town not that long ago. He has the tools but not the brains. How many seasons are they willing to sacrifice for the sake of finally proving, once and for all, that Loseman can't cut it as a winning QB.

You haven't watched a lot of football have you? Losman is NOTHING like Johnson, outside of both coming from California. Buffalo fans like you deserve to have 4 SB losses as your shining achievement. I'm so glad I moved away from that town. Great food, but a TON of lousy people.

I am not from Buffalo and I am not a Bills fan, but I know a loser when I see one. Since 05, the Bills are 9-19 in games that Loseman started. They are 6-5 in games he didn't start. Most of these games were started by the great Kelly Holmcomb and (3rd round pick) rookie Trent Edwards.What was Rob Johnson's record as a starter in Buffalo? I don't know exactly, but it was horrible. Flutie didn't have the stats, but he won a lot more games than Johnson.

How many leagues do you have Loseman in, btw? I have neither player in any leagues.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

IMO, the Bills made a mistake giving up on Losman after the first 2 games of this season. He did not play well in those games, but the playcalling was also extremely conservative as the Bills were not confident in their pass protection or their defense at the time. The protection and defense have gotten much better since that time and Edwards is benefitting. I'm excited about the promise Edwards has shown with regard to his accuracy and decision making, but he is still a rookie and I believe rookie QBs are generally better served watching and learning from the sidelines. I didn't expect the Bills to make a playoff run this year, but I do believe that Losman can be a viable starting QB in this league. He's much more familiar with the offense and better equipped to take full advantage of the team's best playmaker in Lee Evans, who still needs to be signed to a long-term extension so keeping him happy is probably a good idea. Even if the team decides to turn over the reigns to the cheaper player in Edwards, who may wind up being better than Losman in the long run, I still think Losman gives this team the best chance to win right now. Also, benching Losman after a couple clunkers is only going to hurt his trade value this offseason. I'd rather see the team play Losman with the goal of shopping him around once the offseason hits so they can get a team to give up at least a 2nd round pick that Schaub went for this year. Edwards has been making some nice throws but he also has been turning the ball over in some very crucial game situations. I don't think letting him be the #2 QB for the rest of the year would have hurt his development at all.

Bottom line is I don't see this team ever finding some sustained level of success if they refuse to keep any veteran players (Clements, McGahee, Spikes, Losman?) and just keep perpetually turning the roster over with draft picks and overpaid free agents. Levy's had a couple of great drafts these past two years and I don't disagree with letting Clements walk for the money he was going to get or the McGahee trade, but at some point you need to start making moves to keep the nucleus of the team together for more than a couple years. All offseason it certainly looked and sounded like Losman was going to be the long-term solution at QB for this franchise, and giving up on him after 2 starts when you've invested 3+ three years in his development is the type of short-sighted decision making that ensures this team will probably never get better.

 

[switz]

The real problem with comparing these two is that Losman is a 4th year player while Edwards is a rookie. It's easy to make a statement like "Losman is better than Edwards." But it's not fair to compare a rookie to a veteran with several years of practice and game experience under his belt.

Losman barely played as a rookie. As a second year player he completed 49.6% of 228 attempts for a yards per attempt average of 5.9 and a QB rating of 64.9. Those are lousy numbers. Edwards is playing better than that right now in his first NFL season.

I won't dispute that Losman might be the better passer right not, but that doesn't mean he's the better player and the better long-term solution. Edwards is playing relatively well in the context of being a rookie QB on a mediocre offense. It's certainly too soon to write him off.

Loseman reminds me a lot of a certain QB named Rob Johnson that was run out of town not that long ago. He has the tools but not the brains. How many seasons are they willing to sacrifice for the sake of finally proving, once and for all, that Loseman can't cut it as a winning QB.

You haven't watched a lot of football have you? Losman is NOTHING like Johnson, outside of both coming from California. Buffalo fans like you deserve to have 4 SB losses as your shining achievement. I'm so glad I moved away from that town. Great food, but a TON of lousy people.

I am not from Buffalo and I am not a Bills fan, but I know a loser when I see one. Since 05, the Bills are 9-19 in games that Loseman started. They are 6-5 in games he didn't start. Most of these games were started by the great Kelly Holmcomb and (3rd round pick) rookie Trent Edwards.

No, no you don't. Quarterbacks aren't the only component of winning. There were many games that the defense let the team down, not Losman. Nevermind that the coaching staff in Buffalo is terrible. And you are ignoring that Edwards has ONE TD PASS in his career. The games the Bills won with Edwards had nothing to do with quarterback play.

What was Rob Johnson's record as a starter in Buffalo? I don't know exactly, but it was horrible. Flutie didn't have the stats, but he won a lot more games than Johnson.

I have no idea what Johnson's W/L was, but that has nothing to do with Losman at all. And most of Buffalo wanted Flutie to remain the starter as it was. But of course, you are again posting about what you know nothing about at all.

How many leagues do you have Loseman in, btw? I have neither player in any leagues.

Absolutely zero. In fact, I've never had Losman on a fantasy team. I have however seen quite a bit of Buffalo games, and can tell you with an unbiased opinion that Losman is a better QB than Edwards, not just due to experience, but in terms of talent and natural ability.

 

[JP]

The real problem with comparing these two is that Losman is a 4th year player while Edwards is a rookie. It's easy to make a statement like "Losman is better than Edwards." But it's not fair to compare a rookie to a veteran with several years of practice and game experience under his belt.

Losman barely played as a rookie. As a second year player he completed 49.6% of 228 attempts for a yards per attempt average of 5.9 and a QB rating of 64.9. Those are lousy numbers. Edwards is playing better than that right now in his first NFL season.

I won't dispute that Losman might be the better passer right not, but that doesn't mean he's the better player and the better long-term solution. Edwards is playing relatively well in the context of being a rookie QB on a mediocre offense. It's certainly too soon to write him off.

Loseman reminds me a lot of a certain QB named Rob Johnson that was run out of town not that long ago. He has the tools but not the brains. How many seasons are they willing to sacrifice for the sake of finally proving, once and for all, that Loseman can't cut it as a winning QB.

You haven't watched a lot of football have you? Losman is NOTHING like Johnson, outside of both coming from California. Buffalo fans like you deserve to have 4 SB losses as your shining achievement. I'm so glad I moved away from that town. Great food, but a TON of lousy people.

I am not from Buffalo and I am not a Bills fan, but I know a loser when I see one. Since 05, the Bills are 9-19 in games that Loseman started. They are 6-5 in games he didn't start. Most of these games were started by the great Kelly Holmcomb and (3rd round pick) rookie Trent Edwards.

No, no you don't. Quarterbacks aren't the only component of winning. There were many games that the defense let the team down, not Losman. Nevermind that the coaching staff in Buffalo is terrible. And you are ignoring that Edwards has ONE TD PASS in his career. The games the Bills won with Edwards had nothing to do with quarterback play.

What was Rob Johnson's record as a starter in Buffalo? I don't know exactly, but it was horrible. Flutie didn't have the stats, but he won a lot more games than Johnson.

I have no idea what Johnson's W/L was, but that has nothing to do with Losman at all. And most of Buffalo wanted Flutie to remain the starter as it was. But of course, you are again posting about what you know nothing about at all.

How many leagues do you have Loseman in, btw? I have neither player in any leagues.

Absolutely zero. In fact, I've never had Losman on a fantasy team. I have however seen quite a bit of Buffalo games, and can tell you with an unbiased opinion that Losman is a better QB than Edwards, not just due to experience, but in terms of talent and natural ability.

Dude, TE is a green as grass rookie. How can you definitely state that he has little talent? That is ridiculous. Let's see where Edwards is 4 years from now, then it will be a fair comparison between him and Loseman.The value of a QB consists a lot more than being able to throw the ball 100 yards. Given you have at least a medicore arm, making good, quick reads, smart decisions and having good accuracy is far more important IMO.

Also, how can you say that I know nothing about what I am posting? I am posting FACTS. The only speculation that I offered is that Loseman reminds me of Rob Johnson in that they both lost a lot of games and both made/make a lot of bad decisions. You are just being obnoxious and should be banned. If you can't be civil (i.e. making valid arguments instead of attacking posters) then quit posting.

 

[switz]

The real problem with comparing these two is that Losman is a 4th year player while Edwards is a rookie. It's easy to make a statement like "Losman is better than Edwards." But it's not fair to compare a rookie to a veteran with several years of practice and game experience under his belt.

Losman barely played as a rookie. As a second year player he completed 49.6% of 228 attempts for a yards per attempt average of 5.9 and a QB rating of 64.9. Those are lousy numbers. Edwards is playing better than that right now in his first NFL season.

I won't dispute that Losman might be the better passer right not, but that doesn't mean he's the better player and the better long-term solution. Edwards is playing relatively well in the context of being a rookie QB on a mediocre offense. It's certainly too soon to write him off.

Loseman reminds me a lot of a certain QB named Rob Johnson that was run out of town not that long ago. He has the tools but not the brains. How many seasons are they willing to sacrifice for the sake of finally proving, once and for all, that Loseman can't cut it as a winning QB.

You haven't watched a lot of football have you? Losman is NOTHING like Johnson, outside of both coming from California. Buffalo fans like you deserve to have 4 SB losses as your shining achievement. I'm so glad I moved away from that town. Great food, but a TON of lousy people.

I am not from Buffalo and I am not a Bills fan, but I know a loser when I see one. Since 05, the Bills are 9-19 in games that Loseman started. They are 6-5 in games he didn't start. Most of these games were started by the great Kelly Holmcomb and (3rd round pick) rookie Trent Edwards.

No, no you don't. Quarterbacks aren't the only component of winning. There were many games that the defense let the team down, not Losman. Nevermind that the coaching staff in Buffalo is terrible. And you are ignoring that Edwards has ONE TD PASS in his career. The games the Bills won with Edwards had nothing to do with quarterback play.

What was Rob Johnson's record as a starter in Buffalo? I don't know exactly, but it was horrible. Flutie didn't have the stats, but he won a lot more games than Johnson.

I have no idea what Johnson's W/L was, but that has nothing to do with Losman at all. And most of Buffalo wanted Flutie to remain the starter as it was. But of course, you are again posting about what you know nothing about at all.

How many leagues do you have Loseman in, btw? I have neither player in any leagues.

Absolutely zero. In fact, I've never had Losman on a fantasy team. I have however seen quite a bit of Buffalo games, and can tell you with an unbiased opinion that Losman is a better QB than Edwards, not just due to experience, but in terms of talent and natural ability.

Dude, TE is a green as grass rookie. How can you definitely state that he has little talent? That is ridiculous. Let's see where Edwards is 4 years from now, then it will be a fair comparison between him and Loseman.

I didn't say TE has little talent, just that Losman has more.

The value of a QB consists a lot more than being able to throw the ball 100 yards. Given you have at least a medicore arm, making good, quick reads, smart decisions and having good accuracy is far more important IMO.

There is a balance. Unless you'd prefer Chad Pennington, which I highly doubt. As far as good decisions, are you referring to the stupid picks TE has thrown, despite not being pressed to make hard throws as Losman has been? Losman has been as impressive (if not more so) as Edwards, albeit in different aspects of the game.

Also, how can you say that I know nothing about what I am posting? I am posting FACTS. The only speculation that I offered is that Loseman reminds me of Rob Johnson in that they both lost a lot of games and both made/make a lot of bad decisions. You are just being obnoxious and should be banned. If you can't be civil (i.e. making valid arguments instead of attacking posters) then quit posting.

The only fact that you posted was the win/loss record. But the conclusions you drew from that one fact are ridiculous, and short sighted in my opinion. And comparing Losman to Rob Johnson would indicate you haven't seen both play. The only commonality is California. Losman makes better decisions, he doesn't have the deer-in-the-headlights look. He can feel the pressure in the pocket. They are very, very different players. So that comparison would make most people think that you don't know what you are talking about at all.You also are including the week 3 loss in Losman's statistics - a game in which he had ONE attempt. For all intents and purposes that is an Edwards game. Are you including in his wins the game against KC in '05 where he came in off the bench and led the team to 2 TDs? No you are giving credit to Holcomb for that win. So even your "facts" are twisted.

I don't think you are approaching this from an unbiased perspective, and frankly, I don't believe that you don't have Edwards on your fantasy squad. I find it hard to believe that an unbiased person could attribute the Bills recent success to Edwards, and deny the Bills last win being entirely due to Losman. Watching the Bills last season and so far this year, Edwards has managed games, but Losman is a playmaker who can win games.

How are these stats - Losman has thrown 1 INT this year, Trent has thrown 4.

Edwards has a 69.9 rating, Losman 82.9

Edwards has faced much weaker teams than Losman.

 

[GoBills02]

IMO, the Bills made a mistake giving up on Losman after the first 2 games of this season. He did not play well in those games, but the playcalling was also extremely conservative as the Bills were not confident in their pass protection or their defense at the time. The protection and defense have gotten much better since that time and Edwards is benefitting. I'm excited about the promise Edwards has shown with regard to his accuracy and decision making, but he is still a rookie and I believe rookie QBs are generally better served watching and learning from the sidelines. I didn't expect the Bills to make a playoff run this year, but I do believe that Losman can be a viable starting QB in this league. He's much more familiar with the offense and better equipped to take full advantage of the team's best playmaker in Lee Evans, who still needs to be signed to a long-term extension so keeping him happy is probably a good idea. Even if the team decides to turn over the reigns to the cheaper player in Edwards, who may wind up being better than Losman in the long run, I still think Losman gives this team the best chance to win right now. Also, benching Losman after a couple clunkers is only going to hurt his trade value this offseason. I'd rather see the team play Losman with the goal of shopping him around once the offseason hits so they can get a team to give up at least a 2nd round pick that Schaub went for this year. Edwards has been making some nice throws but he also has been turning the ball over in some very crucial game situations. I don't think letting him be the #2 QB for the rest of the year would have hurt his development at all.Bottom line is I don't see this team ever finding some sustained level of success if they refuse to keep any veteran players (Clements, McGahee, Spikes, Losman?) and just keep perpetually turning the roster over with draft picks and overpaid free agents. Levy's had a couple of great drafts these past two years and I don't disagree with letting Clements walk for the money he was going to get or the McGahee trade, but at some point you need to start making moves to keep the nucleus of the team together for more than a couple years. All offseason it certainly looked and sounded like Losman was going to be the long-term solution at QB for this franchise, and giving up on him after 2 starts when you've invested 3+ three years in his development is the type of short-sighted decision making that ensures this team will probably never get better.

Aaron-Thank You for writing down exactly how I feel. You hit the nail on the head with this one. :X

 

[Gnat Berries]

IMO, the Bills made a mistake giving up on Losman after the first 2 games of this season. He did not play well in those games, but the playcalling was also extremely conservative as the Bills were not confident in their pass protection or their defense at the time. The protection and defense have gotten much better since that time and Edwards is benefitting. I'm excited about the promise Edwards has shown with regard to his accuracy and decision making, but he is still a rookie and I believe rookie QBs are generally better served watching and learning from the sidelines. I didn't expect the Bills to make a playoff run this year, but I do believe that Losman can be a viable starting QB in this league. He's much more familiar with the offense and better equipped to take full advantage of the team's best playmaker in Lee Evans, who still needs to be signed to a long-term extension so keeping him happy is probably a good idea. Even if the team decides to turn over the reigns to the cheaper player in Edwards, who may wind up being better than Losman in the long run, I still think Losman gives this team the best chance to win right now. Also, benching Losman after a couple clunkers is only going to hurt his trade value this offseason. I'd rather see the team play Losman with the goal of shopping him around once the offseason hits so they can get a team to give up at least a 2nd round pick that Schaub went for this year. Edwards has been making some nice throws but he also has been turning the ball over in some very crucial game situations. I don't think letting him be the #2 QB for the rest of the year would have hurt his development at all.Bottom line is I don't see this team ever finding some sustained level of success if they refuse to keep any veteran players (Clements, McGahee, Spikes, Losman?) and just keep perpetually turning the roster over with draft picks and overpaid free agents. Levy's had a couple of great drafts these past two years and I don't disagree with letting Clements walk for the money he was going to get or the McGahee trade, but at some point you need to start making moves to keep the nucleus of the team together for more than a couple years. All offseason it certainly looked and sounded like Losman was going to be the long-term solution at QB for this franchise, and giving up on him after 2 starts when you've invested 3+ three years in his development is the type of short-sighted decision making that ensures this team will probably never get better.

 

[Young 8]

Let's see where Edwards is 4 years from now,.

working for McDonald'sthis guy is garbage...have you seen him play ??jesus....

 

[Tommy Collins]

I am not from Buffalo and I am not a Bills fan, but I know a loser when I see one. Since 05, the Bills are 9-19 in games that Loseman started. They are 6-5 in games he didn't start. Most of these games were started by the great Kelly Holmcomb and (3rd round pick) rookie Trent Edwards.

Really? I bet every young QB lit the world on fire when they first started playing. Do you realize this is technically JPs 3rd year? His first year he didn't play as he broke his leg and threw only 5 passes all year. His TRUE first year he had stats comparable to Eli. Last season he was in the top 10 in a few categories and showing promise. Then all of a sudden after two games this season the Bills O doesn't put up points, JP doesn't put up stats and he's a bum? The offense was TERRIBLY conservative. The Bills threw the least times at the beginning of this season. JP criticized the playcalling after the 2nd game. They were talking of opening up the offense but he was hurt on the first play of the 3rd game. Then Edwards comes in and takes JP's job. Look what Troy did this week. He sucked against one of the worst defenses in the entire league. JP comes in and leads two scoring drives including an 85 yard TD pass to Evans. Something Edwards can't do, he can drop back and make little dump offs, that's it. He's a "game manager" but doesn't manage the game very well. With JP on the field and more aggressive playcalling the Bills have a chance to put up some points. They can spread the field with JP's arm. Evans clearly prefers Losman, why is that? Because he's the better QB. He can do things Edwards can't. Spreading the field makes it easier for Lynch to run all over the field, which **** Jauron prefers. I just find it hard for the Bills to bench Losman after the success he did last year, nearly making the playoffs, and naming him team captain this summer. You guys have terribly short term memories. As soon as someone starts to do poorly you throw the guy under the bus. "What has he done for me lately." If you don't know what you're talking about, please don't say anything.

 

[switz]

I am not from Buffalo and I am not a Bills fan, but I know a loser when I see one. Since 05, the Bills are 9-19 in games that Loseman started. They are 6-5 in games he didn't start. Most of these games were started by the great Kelly Holmcomb and (3rd round pick) rookie Trent Edwards.

If you don't know what you're talking about, please don't say anything.

Be careful, he might tell you that you should be banned for such a personal attack!

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Anyone have any more insight as to what will take place for the rest of the year after Losman had a good game this past week. Does Losman stay in as the starter? Is he on a short leash? What will transpire the rest of the year? What do you guys think?

 

[EBF]

Anyone have any more insight as to what will take place for the rest of the year after Losman had a good game this past week. Does Losman stay in as the starter? Is he on a short leash? What will transpire the rest of the year? What do you guys think?

I think JP will definitely start again next week and I think the team should give him a chance to play through the rest of the year as the starter. If he doesn't perform well then they should trade him in the offseason and keep Edwards. But they have to give him a fair audition.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Bills should play Losman until he gives them a reason not to. In the meantime, keep developing Edwards. Lots of teams have 2 good QBs in this league. If they decide they love Edwards in the offseason, they can shop Losman around. But, if they don't get any great offers for him, they should keep him and let him play out the final year of his contract next year. By the end of that year, Edwards should be ready to take over...just like the Brees/Rivers situation in San Diego.