LT's "Turf Toe" Quotes (1 Viewer)

[Wildman]

He looked like he was in pain when they showed him on bench with ice on his foot during game. I've been on the Sproiles bandwagon since July and even inserted him into some starting line-ups this week L.T. or not! Though I thought it would be the knee, not a toe! Feel welcome to hop on board! Sproiles actually has looked better then L.T. for some time now IMO!

To really get on his bandwagon, you need to learn his name. Otherwise, you might have boarded the wrong bandwagon.

You guys must work for state government, because only there would they deny someone an opportunity for doing something so ridiculously minor as an insignificant typo. Maybe you should revoke his football card for it... As for the opinion that Sproles looked better than LT for sometime, I'd temper that enthusiasm when you consider defenses lining up against Sproles weren't as likely to be using the same scheme they would with LT in certain down and distance situations

 

[J R]

recent memory shows us that when people begin to doubt a players health or status on the injury report, or they begin to get nervous about lengthy holdouts, generally speaking, they are right..

It does?

 

[puckalicious]

I didn't draft LT for 2 reason. 1. COMMISHES have ways of getting the top pick and now they can eat it! 2. I sensed his knee would be a problem sooner rather then later. (turned out his toe) I am a proud Westy owner. Enjoy your 4 pts a week if that while I will enjoy my 4 tds a week along with Sproles (however you spell it) 3. It's amazeing how many calls I get right in preseason. This goes way back when I picked Tiki every draft late and watched all the expert listeners eat Dayne's useless value. I'll be doing the same Sproles vs L.T. this year.It's just I had like 15 drafts and commishes had that 1 or 2 pick all of them while I was stuck 7.8,9,10 all but a couple with 4 one time the lowest this year. So I am rubbibng it in to all you commishes that think you have to cheat to get LT each year redraft leagues. My way of shoveing it up your rear end! EAT L.T.! And send me the $$$ in advance. L.T was a great player! But his top value is coming to an end soon! It started with the knee, now it's the toe. He's not what he used to be and probably will not ever be again!

Try not to break your hand on your back. It says alot about you that every league you are in the commish unilaterally takes the 1 or 2 spot. Sounds like an elementary school league.

 

[MSULions]

Either the real injury is to LT's bagina, or it's more serious than it's being made out to be. You don't miss as much PT as he did during a game where you could potentially (and ultimately do) fall 3 games back in your division.

Or it is what it is, and you'd rather lose a game early than miss more time and lose more games...

What are you disagreeing with him over?If they were erring on the side of caution, they would have sat him for the whole game. They needed him, he tried, and he couldn't get it done. That sniffs of a more serious problem than what it is being let on. Either the toe was worse than what was being let on when the game started, or LT aggravated it by playing during the game. If LT started the game but didn't finish it, that would indicate that something changed in the middle of the game. Either the injury changed, or the understanding of the injury changed. Unfortuantely, neither one of these possibilities is being acknowledged, which means we aren't exactly getting the "it is what is" truth from LT or the Chargers.

I'm sure LT, after taking all the criticism he did last year, is going to try and downplay the injury and the possibility of missing any time. If he took grief over his knee, imagine the uproar over his toe. I fully believe it's worse than what's being reported.

call me crazy, but it also just might indicate he started with the hopes that he could go but then realized he couldn't. not sure why it has to have gotten worse because of his coming out. people are freaking out for no reason - and trying to see things in his comments that just don't exist.

 

[jagbag]

If the Chargers are smart, they'd rest him this week. Give it time to heal. They have a capable replacement; he's not All Pro, but he's good.

 

[JamesTheScot]

I think half of you are VERY paranoid. Is this your first fantasy football season by any chance?

Just because you are not paranoid does not mean they aren't out to get you.

Why did people draft LT? Because he more than likely will be a TOP 5 RB this year. We have only had 2 weeks thus far and people are freaking out. If this was week 6 and things were still not happening for him then I would say there is reason to be concerned.

I agree with you that it's not time to panic regarding LT2. Anyone trading him for cheap right now is just showing their guppyness, even if they get lucky and he's out for an extended time to justify their trades.

If you aren't even curious as to whether or not LT has a serious toe issue, then by the time you think it's time to panic it will be too late for you to do much about it other than to cut him or trade him at his lowest value. Waiting until panic time to move someone when there were early indicators is the truest showing of guppiness.

Why would I trade him cheap in a dynasty league if I wait and his toe turns out to be worse? Why wouldn't I just hold him until next year? It shows more "guppiness" in a dynasty league to panic and unload him cheap now. I hope you understand that.

Really? That never occured to me. Nothing in the thread so far has dealt with the dynasty scenario. I think if you look back through the trade-related posts, you'll see that they were probably assuming a redraft scenario. If not, the whole trade now vs. trade after week 6 debate wouldn't be much of an issue.

BTW, I've never said anyone should trade him now even in a redraft. I hope you understand that. I've only said you can probably trade him for more now than you will be able to in the future if his toe is worse than he's letting on. I think his injury is worse than he's saying it is and I'm taking THAT into consideration when predicting his future performance this season.

His value will continue to drop as his production remains low because more people will start to believe it's a worse injury than he's saying it is this week. You guys who believe there isn't more to the injury than he's saying are by definition not devalueing him as far as you will if it later comes out that the toe is in bad shape.

Again, the whole point of this thread is that he's making out like the toe isn't a big deal but that doesn't seem to jive with the rest of the picture. I'm speculating that the toe is worse than he's saying it is and I don't think its going to get better until he sits. Plain and simple. If I'm right, his trade value will continue to drop as long as he keeps trying to play on it, keeps turning in mediocre performances and keeps telling people that its getting better and will be OK next week. If you believe I'm right, keep him or trade him according to your own best judgment based upon your situation. If you think I'm wrong and he's going to be 100% in a week or two, ride the storm out by all means. If I believed that to be the case, I would.

 

[bonesman]

It's been one week, ONE WEEK. Not long enough to to heal or panic. LT has more yards this year than through 2 games last year.

I think there are too many people panicking b/c their #1 pick isnt performing.

This bears repeating to anyone saying LT has or is going to "lose it".Tomlinson averaged less than 3 yards per carry for the first 3 games last year.

He had 130 yards rushing through the first 3 games last year.

These are charted waters... and as far as I'm concerned right now, we're still on course for paradise isles.

 

[kapp]

Add me to the list of people who are a little concerned about LT2, but only over the next couple of games. My biggest concern is his tough guy mentality. Like others have said, he needs to just take a week or two off and get better. But that's not something he's ever going to do. IIRC, this same thing went in 2004 with him. He had a nagging injury, never took time off to get better, and had a sub-par LT2 year, which is like the 3rd best RB instead of #1.

What does that mean for this year? He'll probably still be a top5 back by the end of the year. Unfortunately, he will not blow away the competition at RB with 1800/500/33 like in 2006. His excellence at the position for so long has driven up everyone's expectations.

Let's just hope, as LT2 owners, that 7 years of wear & tear haven't caught up with him yet. Please, Please, Please let the guy who drafts him #1 next year deal with his inevitable decline.

 

[footballnerd]

I hope he sits out this week and heals up. Dont want this to linger all year.

 

[Ballstein]

It's been one week, ONE WEEK. Not long enough to to heal or panic. LT has more yards this year than through 2 games last year.

I think there are too many people panicking b/c their #1 pick isnt performing.

This bears repeating to anyone saying LT has or is going to "lose it".Tomlinson averaged less than 3 yards per carry for the first 3 games last year.

He had 130 yards rushing through the first 3 games last year.

These are charted waters... and as far as I'm concerned right now, we're still on course for paradise isles.

I dont see the word "toe injury" in there anywhere. I also dont see being taken out in the 2nd Q anywhere. Last year is irrelevent.

 

[Liquid Tension]

The Chronicles of a Big Toe

****************UPDATE*****************

Wednesday, September 17, 2008

LaDainian Tomlinson did not participate in practice

Tomlinson, who has yet to find his way into the end zone this season, said his jammed right big toe isn't as sore as it has been, but he didn't sound overly confident.

"Well, with another day of rest and treatment, it's feeling a little better today, so hopefully, I'm just going to play it by ear this week, see how it feels later in the week," he said. "I'm hoping that it's going to make big progress this week and by Monday night hopefully I'll be as close to 100% as possible."

"I feel better than last week," Tomlinson said. "If I'm judging by last week, I should be able to play."

Tomlinson hurt the toe on the Chargers' last drive of a 26-24 home loss to Carolina on opening day. He said he aggravated it against the AFC West rival Broncos.

"A little bit. But I expected that," he said. "That's going to happen, especially so much contact you take. I took a couple of shots on it. That's the thing, when teams know you have a problem, they're going to attack that certain area sometimes, to test it out, make sure you're healthy."

So that's why NFL teams like to lie about injuries?

"Exactly," Tomlinson said.

"I'd like to see LaDainian practice, but if his toe doesn't let him practice, it doesn't," coach Norv Turner said. "We'll make the best out of the situation, what it is. L.T., I believe he's better than he was at this time last week. He's still got soreness, did not do anything today. We'll see where he is as the week goes on."

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Sunday, Sept 7, 2008

Reigning NFL rushing champion LaDainian Tomlinson came out of the season opener with an injured big toe, and though he shrugged it off as nothing serious after the game, and the team did not include it in the injury report, he did say his foot will be examined again Monday.

“It's not anything like Antonio's injury,” Tomlinson said. “Antonio came out in a boot after the game. It's not that bad. People don't need to freak out.” Tomlinson said the injury – he termed it “turf toe” – occurred on his next-to-last carry of the game, when he ran for 9 yards to earn the Chargers a first down at the Carolina 7. “The guy kind of landed on the back of my leg,” Tomlinson said.

Monday, September 8, 2008

Mike Sullivan, of the North County Times, reports San Diego Chargers RB LaDainian Tomlinson(toe) underwent X-rays Monday, Sept. 8, and no damage was discovered. He is expected to play Week 2.

Wednesday, September 10, 2008

LaDainian Tomlinson misses practice



Thursday, September 11, 2008

Chargers RB LaDainian Tomlinson was held out of practice with right big toe injury, but said he will definitely play Week 2. "It is feeling a lot better," he said. "I think the smartest thing to do is just probably rest it. I'll practice. I'm just not sure what day yet. `I'm all right; I will practice tomorrow,'' Tomlinson said. `It's just a sprained toe, that's all. But you try and get as much rest as you can and you have to take it. It's the heat of the season - you don't really have time. You got games; it's not preseason any more. On Sunday, I think I should be pretty good.''

Tomlinson said this injury is the same type and to the same toe as he suffered in 2003, which he described then as turf toe but said now is something "a little different."

Friday, September 12, 2008

LaDainian Tomlinson is listed as questionable on the injury report.

Coach Norv Turner said Tomlinson took approximately half the practice repetitions. "I thought there were times he looked tentative and there were times he looked good," Turner said.

Chargers RB LaDainian Tomlinson (questionable, toe) reiterated after practice Friday that he will play in Week 2 against the Broncos. "Just the way I felt today, being able to run and cut and stuff, that's why I think so," Tomlinson said

Saturday, September 13, 2008

No news



Sunday, September 14, 2008

Week 2 vs Broncos

LT leaves the game and was seen on the bench with ice on his foot during the first half. He returned to play one series during the third quarter, but did not return for the next series.

Week 2: 10 carries, 26 yards, 2.6ypc, 2 rec, 14yds – 4 fantasy points



Monday, September 15, 2008

“It tightened up some, swelled up a little bit,” Tomlinson said. “The one thing I'm happy about is it didn't get any worse after the game. I don't feel any worse than I did last week after the game, which shows it is improving and healing.” Tomlinson carried 10 times for 26 yards and caught two passes for 14 yards. Tomlinson said he did not plan to have the toe examined again. “Last week, I had it looked at,” he said. “Now, I don't want to know.”

Tuesday, September 16, 2008

Kevin Acee, of the San Diego Union-Tribune, reports San Diego Chargers RB LaDainian Tomlinson(toe) said he planned to play through the pain of his sprained big toe. Tomlinson added he expected to play more in Week 3. "This will be a week that I can get a lot more treatment; I've got an extra day," Tomlinson said. "Hopefully, the treatment and the rest will put me pretty much where I want to be. Hopefully, next week I'll be able to be more productive but also play a little bit more. Have some more carries, and do pretty much what I have always been able to do." Tomlinson said he expects to be close to 100 percent by Week 4 versus the Oakland Raiders.

Chargers running back LaDainian Tomlinson said he isn't sensing that his toe will ail him over the next three-to-four weeks. He was restricted to 10 carries on Sunday. "No, no, no, I'm not sensing that at all," he said. "I'll be very surprised if I have to deal with this to injury for another three weeks."

****UPDATE******

Wednesday, September 17, 2008

LaDainian Tomlinson did not participate in practice

Tomlinson, who has yet to find his way into the end zone this season, said his jammed right big toe isn't as sore as it has been, but he didn't sound overly confident.

"Well, with another day of rest and treatment, it's feeling a little better today, so hopefully, I'm just going to play it by ear this week, see how it feels later in the week," he said. "I'm hoping that it's going to make big progress this week and by Monday night hopefully I'll be as close to 100% as possible."

"I feel better than last week," Tomlinson said. "If I'm judging by last week, I should be able to play."

Tomlinson hurt the toe on the Chargers' last drive of a 26-24 home loss to Carolina on opening day. He said he aggravated it against the AFC West rival Broncos.

"A little bit. But I expected that," he said. "That's going to happen, especially so much contact you take. I took a couple of shots on it. That's the thing, when teams know you have a problem, they're going to attack that certain area sometimes, to test it out, make sure you're healthy."

So that's why NFL teams like to lie about injuries?

"Exactly," Tomlinson said.

"I'd like to see LaDainian practice, but if his toe doesn't let him practice, it doesn't," coach Norv Turner said. "We'll make the best out of the situation, what it is. L.T., I believe he's better than he was at this time last week. He's still got soreness, did not do anything today. We'll see where he is as the week goes on."

I am not sure what he didn't say, but good chronological post for all of us to see it one place

 

[shims3]

Did LT practice today?

 

[bonesman]

Did LT practice today?

Nope... perhaps tomorrow.

 

[Isotopes]

With the game being on Monday...us LT owners without Sproles may want to pick up another Charger or Jet that could be a last minute substitute for LT. I guess we have to wait and see, because I haven't seen anything definitive out of the Chargers yet.

 

[Deuce'sWild]

I may just start Pittman. My Rbs are falling apart at the seams...actually the big toe (McFadden and LT)

 

[Eviloutsider]

With the game being on Monday...us LT owners without Sproles may want to pick up another Charger or Jet that could be a last minute substitute for LT. I guess we have to wait and see, because I haven't seen anything definitive out of the Chargers yet.

Not much for RB from either team on the WW (in my 12 team league at least) so I am looking at Stuckey as a last second replacement in the flex. Not awesome but we do need something just in case.

 

[Ramos]

With the game being on Monday...us LT owners without Sproles may want to pick up another Charger or Jet that could be a last minute substitute for LT. I guess we have to wait and see, because I haven't seen anything definitive out of the Chargers yet.

Just signed Leon w. for at least some return yardage just in case.

 

[JamesTheScot]

If they were erring on the side of caution, they would have sat him for the whole game. They needed him, he tried, and he couldn't get it done. That sniffs of a more serious problem than what it is being let on. Either the toe was worse than what was being let on when the game started, or LT aggravated it by playing during the game. If LT started the game but didn't finish it, that would indicate that something changed in the middle of the game. Either the injury changed, or the understanding of the injury changed. Unfortuantely, neither one of these possibilities is being acknowledged, which means we aren't exactly getting the "it is what is" truth from LT or the Chargers.

I'm sure LT, after taking all the criticism he did last year, is going to try and downplay the injury and the possibility of missing any time. If he took grief over his knee, imagine the uproar over his toe. I fully believe it's worse than what's being reported.

call me crazy, but it also just might indicate he started with the hopes that he could go but then realized he couldn't. not sure why it has to have gotten worse because of his coming out.

...which would mean LT isn't the best source to listen to concerning what his chances are of being good to go this weekend. Again, that's the whole point! We don't know how bad the toe is because the one person we are listening too - LT - is either downplaying how bad it is or doesn't know what he's talking about. Neither one of those should give you confidence that the toe is a minor deal which will just get better on it's own with another week of LT trying to make a go of it.Does anyone know if LT had it looked at this week? He stated after the game that he didn't think he needed to since it didn't hurt any worse after Game 2 than it did after Game 1.

Again, I'm not saying you must panic. I'm just saying you need to be keeping a close eye on this and take anything LT says with a large grain of salt.

 

[Deuce'sWild]

Chargers: Tomlinson's swelling goes down

09/19/08 12:09 PM

THE NEWS

The swelling in LaDainian Tomlinson's ailing right toe has gone down, according to the North County Times. He said, "It's getting better, that's all I can say. The swelling is going down now; there was a little bit after Denver, but it is going down now."

 

[Trap Play]

Do teams with Monday night games typically practice on Saturday or Sunday? If not, I would be loathe to use LT this week if he hasn't put in a practice today.

 

[Maven]

Chargers beat writer Kevin Acee said on NFL Network's Team Cam program that he expects Darren Sproles to get more carries than LaDainian Tomlinson on Monday night.

Acee said Tomlinson's toe is too painful for him to consistently push off and make moves horizontally. Acee also indicated that LT may only get around 10 carries against the Jets, just like last week.

 

[cvnpoka]

COMMISHES have ways of getting the top pick and now they can eat it!

You play in the wrong leagues.

well, not if he is getting westy at 7,8 and 9.

 

[Maven]

LaDainian Tomlinson did not sound very positive when discussing his toe injury after Friday's practice according to ESPN.com. "It went OK," Tomlinson said. "I did what I wanted to do. I didn't expect to do full participation but I wanted to get out and do some stuff running the football. It definitely is a lot better than last week. That's the exciting part about it. But at that same time, I'm going to be realistic about it. I'm pretty sure on Monday, I'll probably still have a little problem with it but it will be a week better."