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Lunatic Family vs Cops at Walmart :shock: (1 Viewer)

Jesus...at the beginning it almost seems staged, but then it just keeps going, and going, and going, and going, and going.

 
Sweet J said:
So I hate to be that guy, but. . . .

It just seems like the first two police officers to come on the scene (i.e., the driver of the dash-cam car), made everything worse as soon as they showed up.

When they showed up, the cops on the scene were talking to the Crazy Family. It was heated, sure, but he was handling it. Then the yahoos jumped out of the car and decided to "take control" and things went from zero to insane in less than ten seconds.

I'm not excusing crazy family. But it seems like the police arriving at the scene was like throwing a grenade into a fire.
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That is possibly an accurate interpretation. Another interpretation is that the two cops who were on the scene were already in graved danger because they were vastly outnumbered by a pack of crazies and were just trying to keep a lid on things until reinforcements arrived.

I am not inclined to side with cops these days, but I also am wary of falling into the trap of always blaming them.

 
Sweet J said:
So I hate to be that guy, but. . . .

It just seems like the first two police officers to come on the scene (i.e., the driver of the dash-cam car), made everything worse as soon as they showed up.

When they showed up, the cops on the scene were talking to the Crazy Family. It was heated, sure, but he was handling it. Then the yahoos jumped out of the car and decided to "take control" and things went from zero to insane in less than ten seconds.

I'm not excusing crazy family. But it seems like the police arriving at the scene was like throwing a grenade into a fire.
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1) Obviously it had already become heated before the backup arrived because they were moving quickly to get there.

2) When they get there, they see their fellow officer (a Sgt) surrounded by crazy family. Right away you know it's bad.

3) Sgt says they need to be separated and the family patriarch becomes instantly confrontational.

4) When cop closest to camera attempts to pull one of the family to the side, Crazy Jr steps in between.

5) Appears to me, the first person taken down by the cop pushed the cop. Then it was on.

 
RedmondLonghorn said:
Sweet J said:
So I hate to be that guy, but. . . .

It just seems like the first two police officers to come on the scene (i.e., the driver of the dash-cam car), made everything worse as soon as they showed up.

When they showed up, the cops on the scene were talking to the Crazy Family. It was heated, sure, but he was handling it. Then the yahoos jumped out of the car and decided to "take control" and things went from zero to insane in less than ten seconds.

I'm not excusing crazy family. But it seems like the police arriving at the scene was like throwing a grenade into a fire.
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That is possibly an accurate interpretation. Another interpretation is that the two cops who were on the scene were already in graved danger because they were vastly outnumbered by a pack of crazies and were just trying to keep a lid on things until reinforcements arrived.

I am not inclined to side with cops these days, but I also am wary of falling into the trap of always blaming them.
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This is an excellent way of looking at it
 
Sweet J said:
Gianni Verscotchie said:
Sweet J said:
So I hate to be that guy, but. . . .

It just seems like the first two police officers to come on the scene (i.e., the driver of the dash-cam car), made everything worse as soon as they showed up.

When they showed up, the cops on the scene were talking to the Crazy Family. It was heated, sure, but he was handling it. Then the yahoos jumped out of the car and decided to "take control" and things went from zero to insane in less than ten seconds.

I'm not excusing crazy family. But it seems like the police arriving at the scene was like throwing a grenade into a fire.
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The ending was inevitable. The family was not cooperating. How else would it end?
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We don't really get a chance to see whether or not the family would cooperate. They weren't cooperating when the cops showed up, certainly. But the cops, by acting like they did, escalated a situation that was already about to blow. What would have happened if the police that showed up sat back for a second and let it play out a little bit, and see if the cop on the scene could get a handle on things?

We won't ever know, because they didn't do it.

Sure, once the family started resisting/fighting, the police had to do what they had to do. But . . . could it have been avoided? Would better cops have made better decisions a had a better result than a full-on brawl? I'd think probably.
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Too many people think cooperating with cops at the scene is optional.

 
That's gotta be so fun to be a cop. I rarely get to hit anyone with a club, or taze them etc. Great profession for those who wish to live an active lifestyle.

 
Officer Pete Malloy said:
COTTONWOOD, AZ (KPHO/KTVK) - Video from the dashboard camera of a Cottonwood Police Department cruiser showed a close-knit Idaho family that appeared nearly invulnerable to stun guns, police batons and fists during a melee in a Walmart parking lot March 21 in which one person was killed and one officer wounded by a gunshot.Cottonwood Police Chief Jody Fanning showed the video during a news conference Friday morning and said no matter what tactics officers used, nothing appeared to deter the family of eight. The dash-cam was the only one of three that was operational that night, Fanning said.

Four officers arrived at the Walmart after employees called about one of the Boise, ID, family members pushing an employee to the ground outside one of the store's bathrooms.

The family had gathered outside their older model Chevrolet Suburban when officers arrived. The confrontation started when one of the officers said they would split up the family to talk with them about what happened inside the store, Fanning said.

But the father, 55-year-old Peter Gaver, and one of his sons stepped in and told police they wouldn't allow them to separate the family, Fanning said. Another officer approached the mother, 52-year-old Ruth Gaver, and her 11-year-old daughter when one of the brothers ran in between them.

Police Sgt. Jeremy Daniels grabbed the man and the melee was on, Fanning said.

The family utilized tactics that had to be "taught," Fanning said. For instance, they knew that punching officers on the body was futile because of their protective vests. Instead, the fought

officers by grabbing at their eyes, ears and mouths and pulling hard.

They also had been taught to roll after they were shot with stun guns in order to break the wires and stop the shock, and to appear to give up by putting their hands in the air in order to get close to attack again. The family refused orders to "get on the ground" and eventually overpowered

Daniels. Two of the suspects, including Enoch Graver, battled the officer for his gun, which went off and wounded him in the leg.

Four more officers arrived and Enoch Graver, 21, was shot to death and his 18-year-old brother David Graver was shot in the abdomen.

Even with eight officers on the scene, nothing the officers tried appeared to stop the family, including the use of stun guns, pepper spray and police batons. In almost every instance, the suspects continued to fight the officers. Fanning said to four people to get one of the brothers in handcuffs and two officers to get the remaining male suspects in cuffs.

A Walmart loss prevention employee, whom Cottonwood police knew, was also key in preventing more harm being done to family members or the original four officers on the scene, Fanning

said. The employee fought to protect the officers throughout the brawl.

Fanning said he was not only proud of his officers and the Walmart employee fortheir roles, but of the civilians who came to the aid of Daniels.

The family included the father and sons Jeremiah, 29; Nathaniel, 27; David, Enoch; a 15-year-old boy; mother Ruth Gaver, 52; and an 11-year-old girl.

All were living out of the Chevrolet Suburban and were members of a traveling band called Matthew 24 Now, a reference to a Bible verse dealing with the end of times. The band's Facebook page is rife with Biblical references.

Seven other Cottonwood police officers suffered cuts and bruises.

Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6e3_1428698048#Y39soTSfo1FUW4Q6.99
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Link to video http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6e3_1428698048 (warning: people get shot)
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This is my hometown. I went to highschool with two of the officers...Nothing like this has ever happened, at least that i can remember, in that area. I personally thought the police did a great job of restraining themselves. If it were up to me, they should have shot earlier and more often.

 
shuke said:
Officer Pete Malloy said:
Police narration/explanation of brawl
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Amazing watching that in slow motion how quickly it all went down at once.
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The old man took about 20 blows to the face from the Walmart employee,2 tasers to the back and multiple pepper sprays from the cops and was still walking around. The Walmart employee was throwing some haymakers!! Would have liked to seen him go to the body a few times though.

 
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Bucky86 said:
Da Guru said:
shuke said:
Officer Pete Malloy said:
Police narration/explanation of brawl
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Amazing watching that in slow motion how quickly it all went down at once.
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The old man took about 20 blows to the face from the Walmart employee,2 tasers to the back and multiple pepper sprays from the cops and was still walking around.
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Did we find out what drugs they were on, or was it some kind of "special needs" strength?
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Jeebus Strength?

 
Even less shocking than the video:

All were living out of the Chevrolet Suburban and were members of a traveling band called Matthew 24 Now, a reference to a Bible verse dealing with the end of times. The band's Facebook page is rife with Biblical references.
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After they finally got them all subdued & cuffed, police should've loaded entire family in their suburban and ran it off a cliff. Save the world alit of trouble.

 
Should make a poll: Which fight was more entertaining? Mayweather vs Pac or Lunatic family vs Cottonwood PD.

 
chauncey said:
Should make a poll: Which fight was more entertaining? Mayweather vs Pac or Lunatic family vs Cottonwood PD.
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I would have felt a lot less cheated had I paid $99 for a chance to see Lunatics vs Cottonwood.

 
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Can't wait to watch the video after reading the comments. I'm expecting the Randy Quaid Vacation character with the blue leisure suit as the Dad. And remember: White Trash Lives Matter

 
More pepper spray, less tasers. I know these animals were relentless but I'm not buying that a huge shot of pepper spray in the eyes wouldn't incapacitate even the most resilient of them. Worst case they would be blinded for quite a while. I know they used it but I don't believe they got enough of it into their eyes. If they did, game over. Good thing for these inbreds they didn't try this in a major city as they would have gotten beaten silly.

 
chauncey said:
Should make a poll: Which fight was more entertaining? Mayweather vs Pac or Lunatic family vs Cottonwood PD.
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According to the scoring from Saturday night, the crazy family easily won that fight based n their defense.

I bet the Walmart employee got fired.

 
Holy cow, amazing footage - that's nuts.

I'm shocked more crazies weren't shot... the police had legitimate concerns for their lives in this fight, especially once shots were fired.

While the cops showed a lot of restraint, I suspect this video will ultimately be used for future training on how to better control a situation - they could have really had a tragedy here with some loss of life on the good guys side.

And I'm never disappointed by the FFA, there's always someone that takes the contrarian side. :lmao:

 
It felt like I was watching a zombie movie...

Take down a bad guy, go to help your buddy, the bad guy reanimates.

I don't know how many times a crazy got knocked down, beat down, tasered down, pepper sprayed, etc...

and next thing you know, they're back up again shuffling around like a zombie.

Crazy.

 
This was like an old time battle royal. Throwing blows with one guy and then get hit from behind by another. All you needed was a Tony Schiavone or old school AWA Larry Nelson doing some commentating

 
ROCKET said:
More pepper spray, less tasers. I know these animals were relentless but I'm not buying that a huge shot of pepper spray in the eyes wouldn't incapacitate even the most resilient of them. Worst case they would be blinded for quite a while. I know they used it but I don't believe they got enough of it into their eyes. If they did, game over. Good thing for these inbreds they didn't try this in a major city as they would have gotten beaten silly.
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Saw a video on a show, probably one of those "most shocking" shows, where a guy was getting blasted with pepper spray and he just kept coming. Hardly phased him.

If it were me, I'd be using the baton across their freakin skull. Screw that hit the legs/back policy. Too bad they don't have these anymore. My dad had one from his days as a cop in the late 50s. Lethal. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baton_%28law_enforcement%29#Blackjack

 
ROCKET said:
More pepper spray, less tasers. I know these animals were relentless but I'm not buying that a huge shot of pepper spray in the eyes wouldn't incapacitate even the most resilient of them. Worst case they would be blinded for quite a while. I know they used it but I don't believe they got enough of it into their eyes. If they did, game over. Good thing for these inbreds they didn't try this in a major city as they would have gotten beaten silly.
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Pepper spray isn't nearly as effective as you seem to think it is. It also comes with a secondary problem...it gets on everyone (including the officers), especially during a physical fight like that.

 
Sweet J said:
So I hate to be that guy, but. . . .

It just seems like the first two police officers to come on the scene (i.e., the driver of the dash-cam car), made everything worse as soon as they showed up.

When they showed up, the cops on the scene were talking to the Crazy Family. It was heated, sure, but he was handling it. Then the yahoos jumped out of the car and decided to "take control" and things went from zero to insane in less than ten seconds.

I'm not excusing crazy family. But it seems like the police arriving at the scene was like throwing a grenade into a fire.
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What exactly are you doing then dip####?

 
Das Boot said:
It felt like I was watching a zombie movie...

Take down a bad guy, go to help your buddy, the bad guy reanimates.

I don't know how many times a crazy got knocked down, beat down, tasered down, pepper sprayed, etc...

and next thing you know, they're back up again shuffling around like a zombie.

Crazy.
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It reminded me of the old video game Double Dragon. You can beat the everloving #### out of the bad guys but if you don't finish them off they recover and jump right back in.

 
Das Boot said:
It felt like I was watching a zombie movie...

Take down a bad guy, go to help your buddy, the bad guy reanimates.

I don't know how many times a crazy got knocked down, beat down, tasered down, pepper sprayed, etc...

and next thing you know, they're back up again shuffling around like a zombie.

Crazy.
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:lmao:

 
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