IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Yeah, the Bills wouldn't want to do anything to jeopardizing their AFC East championship chances this year or next.
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Lynch officially on the block (1 Viewer)
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smackdaddies
Footballguy
Why would any team want a RB not good enough to play for the Bills? I mean, really, explain this to me.
He is so bad for the team that the Bills want him gone.
Yes, that's the kind of player I want on my team - someone not good enough for the Bills.
He is so bad for the team that the Bills want him gone.
Yes, that's the kind of player I want on my team - someone not good enough for the Bills.
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
huh?
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
The Bills have let lots of quality players walk over the years, many of whom are now starting for playoff teams. Antoine Winfield, Willis McGahee, Jabari Greer, Nate Clements, Pat Williams, Sammy Morris, and Jason Peters are the names that spring to mind, but I'm sure there are others. Granted, those guys aren't going to be inducted into Canton on the first ballot, but it's enough of a track record to show that our front office hasn't always done the best job of keeping good players around. But hey, at least we're going to get Kelsay extended.
Lynch is a huge upgrade over anybody the Packers have on their roster. And like I said earlier, I don't see why the Bills don't just keep him. You don't build a team by jettisoning good players.
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BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
I would add the Giants to that list.
Brandon Jacobs is a Jack ### and he won't be there much longer plus he is not very good.
Bradshaw is good but not the answer either and he won't be able to handle the load physically (already has screws in both feet)
Statler & Waldorf
Footballguy
Lynch is 24. He's got another 6-8 years left in him barring injury.
UPDATE: If you take Packers coach Mike McCarthy's comments this week at face value, it doesn't appear as though they'll make a strong play for Buffalo Bills running back Marshawn Lynch. "I thought the running back production was a positive in [Monday's] game," McCarthy said per the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.
One other speculative option (in addition to the ones below) is the New England Patriots, who lost Kevin Faulk for the season and have Fred Taylor already banged up. Intra-division trading is usually rare, but not a total impossibility. Lynch's skills in blitz pickup could be a key factor in determining whether he's a fit in Foxborough, as this was a major part of what Faulk brought to the table.
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After rumors swirled prior to Week 2 that Lynch was going to be traded -- possibly to the Green Bay Packers -- he instead became the Bills' No. 1 back, leading the team in carries in Weeks 2 and 3. But with their much-discussed change at QB this week, they're also re-considering a change with Lynch.
Jason Wilde of ESPN 540 Radio in Milwaukee reports that the Bills have put out word that they'll start listening to trade offers for Lynch.
While the Packers haven't been able to get anything going on the ground -- ergo all the speculation that they'll be interested in Lynch -- that might be more a result of poor blocking than lack of skills in the RBs. Some other logical possibilities include the Denver Broncos, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Washington Redskins and St. Louis Rams.
I definitely think a deal will happen before the deadline given the rumors/his playing time the past two weeks, and I'm hoping he winds up on Washington or TB, should GB not get him
One other speculative option (in addition to the ones below) is the New England Patriots, who lost Kevin Faulk for the season and have Fred Taylor already banged up. Intra-division trading is usually rare, but not a total impossibility. Lynch's skills in blitz pickup could be a key factor in determining whether he's a fit in Foxborough, as this was a major part of what Faulk brought to the table.
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After rumors swirled prior to Week 2 that Lynch was going to be traded -- possibly to the Green Bay Packers -- he instead became the Bills' No. 1 back, leading the team in carries in Weeks 2 and 3. But with their much-discussed change at QB this week, they're also re-considering a change with Lynch.
Jason Wilde of ESPN 540 Radio in Milwaukee reports that the Bills have put out word that they'll start listening to trade offers for Lynch.
While the Packers haven't been able to get anything going on the ground -- ergo all the speculation that they'll be interested in Lynch -- that might be more a result of poor blocking than lack of skills in the RBs. Some other logical possibilities include the Denver Broncos, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Washington Redskins and St. Louis Rams.
I definitely think a deal will happen before the deadline given the rumors/his playing time the past two weeks, and I'm hoping he winds up on Washington or TB, should GB not get him
Just a prediction and I don't know much about Mike Lombardi. But if this comes true, Fred Jackson will become the main carrier with Spiller getting 10-15 touches a game. Lynch's fantasy prospects depend on where he ends up.
"NFL Network's Mike Lombardi predicted on Around the League Wednesday that the Bills will "pull the pin" and deal Marshawn Lynch before the October 19 trade deadline.
Lombardi, a former NFL general manager, has a good feel for situations like this. He concedes that the Bills will require a quality draft pick, but it sounds like a deal could get done for something like a conditional fourth-rounder that would escalate based on playing time and performance. Green Bay is the most hotly rumored landing spot, but other teams will suffer running back injuries before mid-to-late October and could enter the mix."
"NFL Network's Mike Lombardi predicted on Around the League Wednesday that the Bills will "pull the pin" and deal Marshawn Lynch before the October 19 trade deadline.
Lombardi, a former NFL general manager, has a good feel for situations like this. He concedes that the Bills will require a quality draft pick, but it sounds like a deal could get done for something like a conditional fourth-rounder that would escalate based on playing time and performance. Green Bay is the most hotly rumored landing spot, but other teams will suffer running back injuries before mid-to-late October and could enter the mix."
why would fred jackson outcarry spiller? maybe in the short-term, like the first week or two after the trade, but no way for the rest of the season.
gary mexico
Footballguy
howardroark
Footballguy
NFL Network's Mike Lombardi predicted on Around the League Wednesday that the Bills will "pull the pin" and deal Marshawn Lynch before the October 19 trade deadline.
Lombardi, a former NFL general manager, has a good feel for situations like this. He concedes that the Bills will require a quality draft pick, but it sounds like a deal could get done for something like a conditional fourth-rounder that would escalate based on playing time and performance. Green Bay is the most hotly rumored landing spot, but other teams will suffer running back injuries before mid-to-late October and could enter the mix
Lombardi, a former NFL general manager, has a good feel for situations like this. He concedes that the Bills will require a quality draft pick, but it sounds like a deal could get done for something like a conditional fourth-rounder that would escalate based on playing time and performance. Green Bay is the most hotly rumored landing spot, but other teams will suffer running back injuries before mid-to-late October and could enter the mix
howardroark
Footballguy
hopefully he doesnt get hurt before they try to trade him.
Englishteacher
Footballguy
Not really when you stop to think about how different the overall offenses are. That's dead even numbers wise but think what Lynch would have done playing for the Patriots.
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
McCarthy is the coach, not the GM. He doesn't make trade decisions. What else do you expect him to say about players on his roster? Something like: "Oh, yeah, our running game really blows right now. TT is crazy for not getting us some help."
Fantaholic
Footballguy
I would love to see the Pats make a move for Lynch. I typically agree with Yudkin with regard to our team, but I don't agree on this one. Putting Maroney and Lynch in the same category may be possible if you strictly look at the two on paper, however thers is much more to be considered here. Buffalo is starting to resemble a team on the West Coast and should be considered The Raiders "East" at this point. Some teams can make any player want to quit football and take up another profession. My point is that Lynch's production the past two seasons could be situation-related and healed by a change in scenary. Now, I'm not putting him in Corey Dillon's class just yet, but the situation could be similar to the one that brought Dilloin here and resulted in some decent production from a guy that faded away in his last season or two with his former team in Cincy. While I do need to see more from Lynch to consider him in Dillon's category skill-wise, I do like the fact that we would be getting him earlier in his career than we did Dillon.
At this point, I think it would be a great risk for the Pats to take in bringing Lynch here somehow. At the same time however, I am probably not alone when I express my frustration with how reluctant the Pats have been to pay people in recent years. I think that could be the biggest obstacle here.
At this point, I think it would be a great risk for the Pats to take in bringing Lynch here somehow. At the same time however, I am probably not alone when I express my frustration with how reluctant the Pats have been to pay people in recent years. I think that could be the biggest obstacle here.
Maroney has never been close to as productive. Lynch was a pretty good back for his first two seasons in the NFL. Maroney has never even cracked 1000 yards.
I don't understand why if a thread is not of interest to someone, do they click on it and then post a complaint about it. Just doesn't make any sense. Why not just scroll on down past it?
Yes this one stat is the only thing to consider when evaluating a RB. Especially with these two. I mean, their QB's, passing game and most importantly their O-line have been nearly identical in ability and productivity every year.
SaintArnold
Footballguy
Correction: Denver gave a 4th to NE for Maroney and a 6th, significantly less than a 4th and a swap of 6th round picks.http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_16073675
Fat Nick
Footballguy
Same reason you commented on his post...you saw something that irked you.
I'm totally not trying to start stuff and agree with you, but all of us do it, sometimes without even knowing.LOL. Point made.Same reason you commented on his post...you saw something that irked you.
Based on situation and ownership I would have to believe Washington is the most likely to give whatever Buffalo is asking for. Based on the type of moves the Skins franchise usually makes at least. I think they might swing for the fences. Cant see GB giving it up. Maybe TB though, but I think that depends a lot on how Blount does with more work. If he prospers they won't need Lynch obviously.
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gianmarco
Footballguy
It was of interest to me initially. It was posted with a title of "officially on the block" and yet it was nothing but more fantasies about what might happen with him instead of actually being "official".
So far, we've had:
Lynch to Packers on 9/28
Lynch to Patriots on 9/26
Lynch to Washington on 9/23
Lynch to several teams on 9/22
Lynch to Packers, the original, on 9/18
Lynch, where does he go on 9/7
So seriously, was this thread really necessary? The OP consisted of the earth-shattering report of:
When breaking news of a trade actually happens, I'd love for a new thread to be started about it. Until then, don't you think there's been enough or were the 6 easily searchable threads over the last couple weeks insufficient for discussion on Lynch and the fact that he might be traded?
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Insein
Footballguy
"The Waterboy"
Footballguy
Packers Homer and there's NO WAY TT pays a 3rd, more less something better...............
Shutout
Footballguy
I hope they trade him. Of the teams most frequently discussed in trade, I think the Bucs would be most likely to actually give a pick and do it.
Patriots-in the division.
Packers-I don't agree with them, but they just seem to think they can be successful with what they have.
Washington-The need is there but I think Shanny likes Portis' blocking, Lynch isn't exactly the type of runner that has been featured in previous Shanny style offenses, and it seems maybe the Skins are slowing getting out of the "We don't have draft picks...ever...business".
But the Bucs. Young team, know they are growing, like to run the power game. Could probably justify and say this would work for them.
Lynch's current contract is cheap for this year and next. Just seems like it might work.
As far as the people wondering out loud why there is so much discussion about this, its really simple:
People know Lynch is a good player who is young and has made the pro bowl and put up good FF points..on a bad team. They also know this is one of two guys in the league right now whose situation is up in the air and a change could dramatically change their value (VJAX being the other).
So, naturally, they are here on a FF board trying to drum up info/feedback on one of the few situations that could pull immediate, big payoffs.
I own Lynch in two different dynasties and I have been flooded with low ball to mediocre offers for him the past few weeks so I take that as "there are lots of people following this situation with interest".
Makes sense to me.
Patriots-in the division.
Packers-I don't agree with them, but they just seem to think they can be successful with what they have.
Washington-The need is there but I think Shanny likes Portis' blocking, Lynch isn't exactly the type of runner that has been featured in previous Shanny style offenses, and it seems maybe the Skins are slowing getting out of the "We don't have draft picks...ever...business".
But the Bucs. Young team, know they are growing, like to run the power game. Could probably justify and say this would work for them.
Lynch's current contract is cheap for this year and next. Just seems like it might work.
As far as the people wondering out loud why there is so much discussion about this, its really simple:
People know Lynch is a good player who is young and has made the pro bowl and put up good FF points..on a bad team. They also know this is one of two guys in the league right now whose situation is up in the air and a change could dramatically change their value (VJAX being the other).
So, naturally, they are here on a FF board trying to drum up info/feedback on one of the few situations that could pull immediate, big payoffs.
I own Lynch in two different dynasties and I have been flooded with low ball to mediocre offers for him the past few weeks so I take that as "there are lots of people following this situation with interest".
Makes sense to me.
Insein
Footballguy
Thats probably the idea all along. Each side is trying to get leverage on the other. Bills against the trade deadline to get something for Lynch. Packers against the deadline to save their Super bowl dreams. Once it gets closer, we'll see who blinks first.
packersfan
Footballguy
As Schefter said today it's all about the asking price. The Bills turned down a third for Lynch during the draft. It's unlikely their demands have come down since then and given the Packers' glaring need for a RB it wouldn't be surprising if the demands are even greater. The Bills hold all the cards here so it wouldn't make any sense for them to be the team that caves. If a team caves it will be Green Bay and Ted Thompson has been VERY reluctant to part with top draft picks in trades. Thompson very well could blink here if Jackson continues to suck but it would be entirely out of character if he does.
this is so typical of the bills organization. right now his trade value is as high as it's gonna get, but what happens when he gets hurt this week or next. so stupid.
That is undeniably true. One thing that might be different here however is the grade they put on Lynch. He's been in the league a few years so GB's perspective might have negatively changed but it was reported a few weeks ago that the Packers were going to select him at #16 but the Bills took him before they had the chance. They brought him in, interviewed him, and this report suggested they liked him and thought he was bright. So I don't know how much their perception of Lynch changed but it not so much you can get him for this year and next at less than $2million combined for both years for what would probably be a second round pick in the late 20's. To me it's a no brainer but that means nothing.
packersfan
Footballguy
Thompson does like Lynch and I agree it's a no-brainer. But Thompson hates to part with top draft picks in trades for players. I'm not saying he won't do it here but it would be way out of character for him if he does. The fact this deal hasn't gotten done yet tells me doesn't want to part with one. I make that under the assumption the Bills are asking for either a third, a third/player or a second (conditional or straight up). Any of those trades are easy to make in my opinion given the need the Packers have and my belief that Lynch is a talented RB who could step into the featured role not just this season but beyond. But Thompson is a "build through the draft" GM and making big trades for proven players is not his style and something he has been extremely reluctant to do in the past.
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gary mexico
Footballguy
A 3rd round pick isnt going to land you a starting rb. Brandon Jackson was a 2nd round pic. Even the ben tates, hardesty's of the world go in rd2?? Hell, if i ran my fantasy teams like these people i would be out of bussiness....
sho nuff
Footballguy
And if they ran a football team like you run fantasy, they would have been out of the league a long time ago.That said, this is a no brainer for a 3rd or even a 2nd.
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identikit
Footballguy
No one has said TT is saving that 3rd round pick for a starting rb. This isn't fantasy football.
packersfan
Footballguy
Jackson was a horrible 2nd-round pick but I agree a third won't get it done. I think a second would and I'd do it in a heartbeat but again I think the fact this trade hasn't happened yet despite the fact the Packers like Lynch and have contacted Buffalo tells me Thompson isn't looking to part with a top pick. Not yet anyway.
when you have a team as bad as the bills, 3 above average running backs and a desire to get younger and build for the future through the draft, a conditional 4th rounder is a no brainer.
gary mexico
Footballguy
I understand its not fantasy football. The bottom line is your getting a young starting rb for a 3rd round pick. That still screams value no matter how you slice it....
identikit
Footballguy
A 3rd round pick isnt going to land you a starting rb. Brandon Jackson was a 2nd round pic. Even the ben tates, hardesty's of the world go in rd2?? Hell, if i ran my fantasy teams like these people i would be out of bussiness....
No one has said TT is saving that 3rd round pick for a starting rb. This isn't fantasy football.
I understand its not fantasy football. The bottom line is your getting a young starting rb for a 3rd round pick. That still screams value no matter how you slice it....
Bottom line is we're just guys on a FF message board. Guys like TT do this for a living.
TT may be a little obsessive about his draft picks, but I have no doubt he knows much more about NFL value than most everyone here.
No one has said TT is saving that 3rd round pick for a starting rb. This isn't fantasy football.
I understand its not fantasy football. The bottom line is your getting a young starting rb for a 3rd round pick. That still screams value no matter how you slice it....
Bottom line is we're just guys on a FF message board. Guys like TT do this for a living.
TT may be a little obsessive about his draft picks, but I have no doubt he knows much more about NFL value than most everyone here.
CrazyHorse1581
Footballguy
gary mexico
Footballguy
Every now and then it does. Odds are it doesnt. To not part with a 3rd round pick for a young starting rb only to watch this moron draft a backup rb again in rd2 is absurd...sorry, value is still value....
Spike
Footballguy
Also, they did make the deal with the Pats in 2002 (the Pats sent Bledsoe for a 2003 1st round pick).Likely? I doubt it.Belichick speaks glowingly about Lynch. I think the Patriots would be willing to swing a deal if the Bills were willing to trade within the division. I'm not sure why the Bills wouldn't since they obviously won't be competing for a title this year... or likely any of the years remaining in Lynch's career.
CrazyHorse1581
Footballguy
I think he should pull the trigger as well, but just for fun I checked it out.
I realize it's an early sample, but of the top 30 fantasy backs in my league this year the following were taken after round 2:
So that's roughly 30% of the top 30.
I really don't see the reasoning behind now taking a 4th. The Bills just started to kick the wheels on Lynch for the first time in the last 2 seasons. Why have a player rot on your bench? Especially after taking Spiller.. I'm not a Lynch owner but I really think that a 4th should get the job done..
