M. Drew gets no love (1 Viewer)

[biggamer3]

i got him for 1 dollar in an auction draft (400, dollar budgets)

why not?

He is the primary backup for Fragile Fred, so he will be staring in like week 2

 

[duaneok66]

i got him for 1 dollar in an auction draft (400, dollar budgets)why not?He is the primary backup for Fragile Fred, so he will be staring in like week 2

I see you haven't watched any Jaguars preseason games . . .

 

[LHUCKS]

A) Jones is the primary backup.

B) Drew will get plenty of love after the uninformed see him on the hilight reel week in and week out this year.

 

[LawFitz]

A) Jones is the primary backup.B) Jones will get plenty of love after the uninformed see him on the hilight reel week in and week out this year.

Drew will be the third down back for Jones. And a VERY good one at that.

 

[LawFitz]

A) Jones is the primary backup.B) Jones will get plenty of love after the uninformed see him on the hilight reel week in and week out this year.

Hey LHUCKS, I dropped Jones in favor of Deangelo Williams b/c I needed the roster spot elsewhere. Not feeling too sure about the decision. Any thoughts?

 

[LHUCKS]

A) Jones is the primary backup.B) Jones will get plenty of love after the uninformed see him on the hilight reel week in and week out this year.

Hey LHUCKS, I dropped Jones in favor of Deangelo Williams b/c I needed the roster spot elsewhere. Not feeling too sure about the decision. Any thoughts?

Jones has looked better in the preseason than Williams, but it can be argued either way which one has more upside this year.

 

[Armando]

I really like Greg Jones this year. Drew could be a nice 3rd down back.

Fred Taylor's on a short leash (whether it's by performance or if Jacksonville somehow finds itself out of the race)

 

[broncofan13000]

do you guys think drew will be the longterm starter, or will he be stuck platooning with G.Jones for the foreseeable future?

 

[LHUCKS]

do you guys think drew will be the longterm starter, or will he be stuck platooning with G.Jones for the foreseeable future?

Drew is a small guy. I think he could reach a Westbrook role eventually, but I expect that to take a few years. I see a platoon for the forseeable future...a very, very effective platoon.Jags offense is going to roll this year.

 

[Gandalf]

I have watched a lot of MJD. This kid is for real. Did you see that 40+ yard TD scamper he had on a reception? It was a thing of beauty. And I was shocked at how big he looks, despite being 5'7". He's got to be over the 207 lbs he weighed at the combine. I'm thinking he's 215 or so. And it's mostly muscle. Couple that with sweet moves and vision, and explosive speed and I'm more than happy to take a flier on him. But it probably won't be until next year when Fred Taylor is gone that people start giving him some love. So buy low now while you still can.

 

[broncofan13000]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URFSbddVifk...=maurice%20drew

thought i'd give this a bump

Drew = Dynasty Owner.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

"M. Drew gets no love, Why not?"

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maybe because he is part of a talented backfield,

and is a hair over 4 feet tall.

 

[Sleeper 43]

If Taylor was gone before the start of this season and Greg Jones was the #1 then Drew would get alot more attention. But until Fred is gone hes a #3. I personally believe Drew will never be able to carry the rock by himself even if Greg was not around. I look at Drew as a rich mans Sproles.

 

[Gandalf]

If Taylor was gone before the start of this season and Greg Jones was the #1 then Drew would get alot more attention. But until Fred is gone hes a #3. I personally believe Drew will never be able to carry the rock by himself even if Greg was not around. I look at Drew as a rich mans Sproles.

You had me up until the Sproles comparison. The only thing Maurice Jones-Drew has in common with Darren Sproles--who is 5'6" and 183 lbs--is that they are both shorter than 5'8". A much better comparison is Brian Westbrook not only because of body type, but also on the receiving end. I ultimately envision a Greg Jones/MJD backfield where both players have fantasy value.

 

[teamramrod]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URFSbddVifk...=maurice%20drew

thought i'd give this a bump

Drew = Dynasty Owner.

I watched that and all of a sudden, I will drink that Kool aid. I have only seen one guy who is that short and has thighs that big. Barry MFing Sanders.When you can stay low, cuz you are already low, and have thighs that are bigger than my beer belly waist, then you got summtin.

I will be watching him closely this year.

 

[BoulderBob]

Drew has the legs to make up for his size, and the speed to be a nice weapon for the Jags. I don't think he has the freak cut ability of a guy like Sproles, but there are not many players who could keep up with him in a foot race. Special teams weapon, may haul in 20 passes, a few carries every now and then.

This is a nice highlight film from his days as a Bruin.

For comparison, Sproles at his best.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33k6BY6QGaw

It's probably between Devin Hester or Drew for rookie special teams player of the year.

 

[Holy Schneikes]

He gets no love because he's UNDER 5'7" and to my knowledge, there has NEVER been a successful primary ball-carrier under 5'7" in the NFL. Maybe he'll be the first, but there's a REASON it has never been done.

Yes, he's thick. Yes there have been successful smallish backs in the NFL (Westbrook, Sanders, Dunn). But none of them have been as short as Drew. Honestly, the guy looks like someone's baby brother in the huddle.

I'm a fan. I'll root for him all day long. I hope he's a monster and proves me wrong. I just won't bet on it.

 

[Jiggyonthehut]

It's probably between Devin Hester or Drew for rookie special teams player of the year.

Not so fast. If everything holds up the way it has, Drew probably wont end up getting much time at PR/KR. The PR job is now a two man race between Chad Owens, who has really impressed in camp, and Pearman, the incumbent who would have had a 77 yard return for a TD last week had it not been for a penalty away from the play. While Drew has looked alright in practice, he lacks the instincts or motion (he catches the ball while extended) of Owens or Pearman. Remember, Owens was a guy they drafted last year specifically as a PR but lost the job after fumbling twice against Indy. He's looking sharp again and is making a push for a roster spot as a WR. Many people who have observed the Jaguars' camp the past two years will agree- Owens may just be the best route runner on the team. However, it is Pearman's job to lose but dont sleep on the fact that one or both may not make the final roster. As for the KR job, well you just dont change a good thing. Wimbush is entrenched as a JDR favorite and as a UDFA from last season, was 9th in return average. His injury was not a broken arm (broken hand) and he was back in time for training camp.In all honesty, Drew will have to make his splash as a 3rd down, situational back with a bonus if injury presents an opportunity for him. This is why Im not high on his opportunity this year. However, he has made the best of his chances thus far and I expect more of the same. I see him as a low-risk/low to medium reward guy with a chance to really outperform his ADP if injury strikes Taylor/Jones. Added bonus if youre in PPR leagues. HTH

 

[Gandalf]

He gets no love because he's UNDER 5'7" and to my knowledge, there has NEVER been a successful primary ball-carrier under 5'7" in the NFL. Maybe he'll be the first, but there's a REASON it has never been done.

Yes, he's thick. Yes there have been successful smallish backs in the NFL (Westbrook, Sanders, Dunn). But none of them have been as short as Drew. Honestly, the guy looks like someone's baby brother in the huddle.

I'm a fan. I'll root for him all day long. I hope he's a monster and proves me wrong. I just won't bet on it.

He's closer to 5'7" than 5'6". He's 5' 6" and 3/4 to be exact. I believe Joe Morris, the probowl RB for the Giants, was a tad under 5'7" as well. Morris also weighed around 195 lbs. I think that Drew if given the chance to start could be similar to Joe Morris. Here are Morris' stats (in bold are his 2 big years):+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| Rushing | Receiving |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| 1982 nyg | 5 | 15 48 3.2 1 | 8 34 4.2 0 |

| 1983 nyg | 15 | 35 145 4.1 0 | 2 1 0.5 1 |

| 1984 nyg | 16 | 133 510 3.8 4 | 12 124 10.3 0 |

| 1985 nyg | 16 | 294 1336 4.5 21 | 22 212 9.6 0 |

| 1986 nyg | 15 | 341 1516 4.4 14 | 21 233 11.1 1 |

| 1987 nyg | 11 | 193 658 3.4 3 | 11 114 10.4 0 |

| 1988 nyg | 16 | 307 1083 3.5 5 | 22 166 7.5 0 |

| 1991 cle | 16 | 93 289 3.1 2 | 13 76 5.8 0 |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| TOTAL | 110 | 1411 5585 4.0 50 | 111 960 8.6 2 |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

 

[MU Seminole]

A) Jones is the primary backup.B) Jones will get plenty of love after the uninformed see him on the hilight reel week in and week out this year.

Hey LHUCKS, I dropped Jones in favor of Deangelo Williams b/c I needed the roster spot elsewhere. Not feeling too sure about the decision. Any thoughts?

Jones has looked better in the preseason than Williams, but it can be argued either way which one has more upside this year.

Things changed in the MIA @ CAR game. Try to watch it if you didn't catch it live. Williams looked very good.

 

[Firekaps]

He gets no love because he's UNDER 5'7" and to my knowledge, there has NEVER been a successful primary ball-carrier under 5'7" in the NFL. Maybe he'll be the first, but there's a REASON it has never been done.

I don't know what Barry Sanders was listed at, but I am 5'8" and looked him right in the eye at a charity event a few years back. I'd consider him a primany ball carrier.

 

[Mungo Burrows]

He gets no love because he's UNDER 5'7" and to my knowledge, there has NEVER been a successful primary ball-carrier under 5'7" in the NFL. Maybe he'll be the first, but there's a REASON it has never been done.

I don't know what Barry Sanders was listed at, but I am 5'8" and looked him right in the eye at a charity event a few years back. I'd consider him a primany ball carrier.

Yeah, he probably picked under 5'7" because sanders was 5'8" (5'11" with the hair). It's much easier to make a point if you can arbitrarily pick thresholds which support your theory.

 

[houndirish]

Drew has the legs to make up for his size, and the speed to be a nice weapon for the Jags. I don't think he has the freak cut ability of a guy like Sproles, but there are not many players who could keep up with him in a foot race. Special teams weapon, may haul in 20 passes, a few carries every now and then.

This is a nice highlight film from his days as a Bruin.

Cal and Oregon State must've been seeeing this kid in their sleep!I love his potential.

 

[GDogg]

Drew has the legs to make up for his size, and the speed to be a nice weapon for the Jags. I don't think he has the freak cut ability of a guy like Sproles, but there are not many players who could keep up with him in a foot race. Special teams weapon, may haul in 20 passes, a few carries every now and then.

This is a nice highlight film from his days as a Bruin.

I was at the Cal game sitting next to Desean Jackson's (star WR Cal - remember this kid's name!) mother and aunt, as well as numerous Cal fans, and they were ready to both: fire the special teams coach (stop kicking it to Maurice!), and if Tedford wouldn't do that, then fire Tedford.Drew put on one of the best single-game performances against Cal that I have ever seen. He was simply unstoppable.

 

[Pedro Cerrano Fan]

He gets no love because he's UNDER 5'7" and to my knowledge, there has NEVER been a successful primary ball-carrier under 5'7" in the NFL. Maybe he'll be the first, but there's a REASON it has never been done.

Yes, he's thick. Yes there have been successful smallish backs in the NFL (Westbrook, Sanders, Dunn). But none of them have been as short as Drew. Honestly, the guy looks like someone's baby brother in the huddle.

I'm a fan. I'll root for him all day long. I hope he's a monster and proves me wrong. I just won't bet on it.

He's closer to 5'7" than 5'6". He's 5' 6" and 3/4 to be exact. I believe Joe Morris, the probowl RB for the Giants, was a tad under 5'7" as well. Morris also weighed around 195 lbs. I think that Drew if given the chance to start could be similar to Joe Morris. Here are Morris' stats (in bold are his 2 big years):+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| Rushing | Receiving |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| 1982 nyg | 5 | 15 48 3.2 1 | 8 34 4.2 0 |

| 1983 nyg | 15 | 35 145 4.1 0 | 2 1 0.5 1 |

| 1984 nyg | 16 | 133 510 3.8 4 | 12 124 10.3 0 |

| 1985 nyg | 16 | 294 1336 4.5 21 | 22 212 9.6 0 |

| 1986 nyg | 15 | 341 1516 4.4 14 | 21 233 11.1 1 |

| 1987 nyg | 11 | 193 658 3.4 3 | 11 114 10.4 0 |

| 1988 nyg | 16 | 307 1083 3.5 5 | 22 166 7.5 0 |

| 1991 cle | 16 | 93 289 3.1 2 | 13 76 5.8 0 |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| TOTAL | 110 | 1411 5585 4.0 50 | 111 960 8.6 2 |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

Joe Morris would not be able to be as successful in today's NFL.

 

[brakeyawself]

He gets no love because he's UNDER 5'7" and to my knowledge, there has NEVER been a successful primary ball-carrier under 5'7" in the NFL. Maybe he'll be the first, but there's a REASON it has never been done.

Yes, he's thick. Yes there have been successful smallish backs in the NFL (Westbrook, Sanders, Dunn). But none of them have been as short as Drew. Honestly, the guy looks like someone's baby brother in the huddle.

I'm a fan. I'll root for him all day long. I hope he's a monster and proves me wrong. I just won't bet on it.

He's closer to 5'7" than 5'6". He's 5' 6" and 3/4 to be exact. I believe Joe Morris, the probowl RB for the Giants, was a tad under 5'7" as well. Morris also weighed around 195 lbs. I think that Drew if given the chance to start could be similar to Joe Morris. Here are Morris' stats (in bold are his 2 big years):+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| Rushing | Receiving |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| 1982 nyg | 5 | 15 48 3.2 1 | 8 34 4.2 0 |

| 1983 nyg | 15 | 35 145 4.1 0 | 2 1 0.5 1 |

| 1984 nyg | 16 | 133 510 3.8 4 | 12 124 10.3 0 |

| 1985 nyg | 16 | 294 1336 4.5 21 | 22 212 9.6 0 |

| 1986 nyg | 15 | 341 1516 4.4 14 | 21 233 11.1 1 |

| 1987 nyg | 11 | 193 658 3.4 3 | 11 114 10.4 0 |

| 1988 nyg | 16 | 307 1083 3.5 5 | 22 166 7.5 0 |

| 1991 cle | 16 | 93 289 3.1 2 | 13 76 5.8 0 |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| TOTAL | 110 | 1411 5585 4.0 50 | 111 960 8.6 2 |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

Joe Morris would not be able to be as successful in today's NFL.

Emmit Smith was only 5'9.Barry Sanders 5'8

Joe Morris 5'7

W. Dunn 5'9

I cant name more. But Im sure there are.

But I dont think 5'6, 5'7 is too short if you've got the right talent for the nfl.

That is still up in the air about Drew. But I dont think his height is going to be a problem unless he's just not good enough. I know 5'9 is taller. But it's two inches. I dont think its enough to matter all that much for a position like runningback.

 

[Gandalf]

Joe Morris would not be able to be as successful in today's NFL.

I'm willing to accept this opinion if you can prove it to me.

 

[Sheriff66]

Dave Megget down ?

 

[diesel7982]

Dave Megget down ?

Is this the same Dave Meggett whose best FF season was 650 total yards and 4 TDs?

 

[houndirish]

He gets no love because he's UNDER 5'7" and to my knowledge, there has NEVER been a successful primary ball-carrier under 5'7" in the NFL. Maybe he'll be the first, but there's a REASON it has never been done.

Yes, he's thick. Yes there have been successful smallish backs in the NFL (Westbrook, Sanders, Dunn). But none of them have been as short as Drew. Honestly, the guy looks like someone's baby brother in the huddle.

I'm a fan. I'll root for him all day long. I hope he's a monster and proves me wrong. I just won't bet on it.

He's closer to 5'7" than 5'6". He's 5' 6" and 3/4 to be exact. I believe Joe Morris, the probowl RB for the Giants, was a tad under 5'7" as well. Morris also weighed around 195 lbs. I think that Drew if given the chance to start could be similar to Joe Morris. Here are Morris' stats (in bold are his 2 big years):+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| Rushing | Receiving |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| 1982 nyg | 5 | 15 48 3.2 1 | 8 34 4.2 0 |

| 1983 nyg | 15 | 35 145 4.1 0 | 2 1 0.5 1 |

| 1984 nyg | 16 | 133 510 3.8 4 | 12 124 10.3 0 |

| 1985 nyg | 16 | 294 1336 4.5 21 | 22 212 9.6 0 |

| 1986 nyg | 15 | 341 1516 4.4 14 | 21 233 11.1 1 |

| 1987 nyg | 11 | 193 658 3.4 3 | 11 114 10.4 0 |

| 1988 nyg | 16 | 307 1083 3.5 5 | 22 166 7.5 0 |

| 1991 cle | 16 | 93 289 3.1 2 | 13 76 5.8 0 |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| TOTAL | 110 | 1411 5585 4.0 50 | 111 960 8.6 2 |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

Joe Morris would not be able to be as successful in today's NFL.

Yeah ... Jim Brown would suck too.

 

[Drop]

He seems faster in pads than his forty time at the combine indicates. He has very good football speed. He is also built like Mega Man. He's got watermelon quads. He makes big plays too. In a redraft league it would be hard to take him unless you had a good number of bench spots. He may make a lot of plays, but barring 2 injuries to Taylor and Jones you could never predict when to start him. He'll fill his role nicely, but he won't be a consistent enough scorer to start unless the situation presents itself. Taylor is a very talented back and despite everyone calling him fragile freddie, he hasn't missed as many games as you'd think.

 

[GDogg]

He seems faster in pads than his forty time at the combine indicates. He has very good football speed.

Yeah, he has great football speed, but he also ran the fastest forty time among RB's at the combine at 4.39.

 

[hpnepon]

He seems faster in pads than his forty time at the combine indicates. He has very good football speed. He is also built like Mega Man. He's got watermelon quads. He makes big plays too. In a redraft league it would be hard to take him unless you had a good number of bench spots. He may make a lot of plays, but barring 2 injuries to Taylor and Jones you could never predict when to start him. He'll fill his role nicely, but he won't be a consistent enough scorer to start unless the situation presents itself. Taylor is a very talented back and despite everyone calling him fragile freddie, he hasn't missed as many games as you'd think.

Would you know how many games he's actually missed? How little is it?

 

[Pedro Cerrano Fan]

Joe Morris would not be able to be as successful in today's NFL.

I'm willing to accept this opinion if you can prove it to me.

Well, it's going to take a while for that time machine to get up to spec, and I'll be doing alot of other things with it that I consder more important - like buying Manhattan in the 1800s and short selling everything in 1928. But I'm sure I'll get to it.However, I concede - I am wrong and you are right.edit - how about this: You cite me some players as short (not taller) as Drew that are successful in today's NFL, and I'll accept your opinion.

 

[Gandalf]

He seems faster in pads than his forty time at the combine indicates. He has very good football speed.

MJD ran a 4.39 forty at the combine. That's pretty fast for a RB. How much faster do you want him to run???

 

[Pedro Cerrano Fan]

Joe Morris would not be able to be as successful in today's NFL.

Yeah ... Jim Brown would suck too.

Therefore Jim Brown is Joe Morris?You have defeated me good sir.

 

[Gandalf]

Joe Morris would not be able to be as successful in today's NFL.

I'm willing to accept this opinion if you can prove it to me.

Well, it's going to take a while for that time machine to get up to spec, and I'll be doing alot of other things with it that I consder more important - like buying Manhattan in the 1800s and short selling everything in 1928. But I'm sure I'll get to it.However, I concede - I am wrong and you are right.edit - how about this: You cite me some players as short (not taller) as Drew that are successful in today's NFL, and I'll accept your opinion.

That was kind of my point, you raised an opinion that we have no way to prove in an attempt to discredit my evidence of at least one example where a RB, Joe Morris, is as tall as MJD was a pro-bowler in the NFL.I can sight many examples of RBs in the 5'8" to 5'9" vicinity that have been successful in the NFL. Do you really think that 1-2" of height is more important that quickness, strength, height/weight ratio, running skills, cutting ability, work ethic and attitude? If your answer to this is "yes" then I'm not going to spend any more time trying to get you to believe in MJD because nothing I can say will get you to draft him with even a late round pick. This one isn't going to be decided until Fred Taylor steps aside, so let's eat some popcorn while we wait and see.

 

[Pedro Cerrano Fan]

That was kind of my point, you raised an opinion that we have no way to prove in an attempt to discredit my evidence of at least one example where a RB, Joe Morris, is as tall as MJD was a pro-bowler in the NFL.

Hehe yeah....I should kick my own ### for such illogical statements. No, I'm not being sarcastic! I was just giving a sloppy argument.

I can sight many examples of RBs in the 5'8" to 5'9" vicinity that have been successful in the NFL. Do you really think that 1-2" of height is more important that quickness, strength, height/weight ratio, running skills, cutting ability, work ethic and attitude?

Well, the line of successful RBs' height is drawn somewhere right? There are a trillion different traits that make up a successful RB yes, but for someone to expect a man with a negative characteristic (and yes, when you are 5'6" and are a NFL RB that IS a negative charactaristic) to succeed without seeing a track record of success then it isn't logical to expect him to succeed without him having balancing traits, and I'm still looking for them.If he does succeed - then he just moved that line, didn't he? Excellent for him, and short people around the world (including me).If he didn't, nothing has changed.

If your answer to this is "yes" then I'm not going to spend any more time trying to get you to believe in MJD because nothing I can say will get you to draft him with even a late round pick. This one isn't going to be decided until Fred Taylor steps aside, so let's eat some popcorn while we wait and see.

Actually I am considering drafting him in a dynasty rookie draft. Definately not first round material though. I'm filing him in the "you never know" category. The Jax RB situation will certainly be interesting.

 

[Holy Schneikes]

He gets no love because he's UNDER 5'7" and to my knowledge, there has NEVER been a successful primary ball-carrier under 5'7" in the NFL. Maybe he'll be the first, but there's a REASON it has never been done.

I don't know what Barry Sanders was listed at, but I am 5'8" and looked him right in the eye at a charity event a few years back. I'd consider him a primany ball carrier.

Yeah, he probably picked under 5'7" because sanders was 5'8" (5'11" with the hair). It's much easier to make a point if you can arbitrarily pick thresholds which support your theory.

Hate to state the obvious here, but there was nothing arbitrary about " under 5'7" ". I chose that phrase because that's exactly what Drew IS - " under 5'7" ".Joe Morris, who I had forgotten, is the best only counter-example that seems to pop up. He's was (is) a little taller than Drew, but at least there is one semi-precedent (albeit two decades ago).Why does height matter? Hell if I know! You could make a case (as many have) that you would be better off shorter than taller at a given minimum weight. But the FACT is that not very many people (if any) his height have EVER done what some people are saying he will do. Just seems unlikely to me, based on historical evidence. That's all I am saying. That's the simple reason he "gets no love", because the odds are heavily against him.

 

[GDogg]

He gets no love because he's UNDER 5'7" and to my knowledge, there has NEVER been a successful primary ball-carrier under 5'7" in the NFL. Maybe he'll be the first, but there's a REASON it has never been done.

I don't know what Barry Sanders was listed at, but I am 5'8" and looked him right in the eye at a charity event a few years back. I'd consider him a primany ball carrier.

Yeah, he probably picked under 5'7" because sanders was 5'8" (5'11" with the hair). It's much easier to make a point if you can arbitrarily pick thresholds which support your theory.

Hate to state the obvious here, but there was nothing arbitrary about " under 5'7" ". I chose that phrase because that's exactly what Drew IS - " under 5'7" ".Joe Morris, who I had forgotten, is the best only counter-example that seems to pop up. He's was (is) a little taller than Drew, but at least there is one semi-precedent (albeit two decades ago).

Why does height matter? Hell if I know! You could make a case (as many have) that you would be better off shorter than taller at a given minimum weight. But the FACT is that not very many people (if any) his height have EVER done what some people are saying he will do. Just seems unlikely to me, based on historical evidence. That's all I am saying. That's the simple reason he "gets no love", because the odds are heavily against him.

Why are the odds heavily against him? Do you have the information for the number of players his height that have actually failed in the NFL at RB? My guess is that there aren't many because there simply haven't been many players to have played RB in the NFL, period, at that height.

 

[Drop]

He seems faster in pads than his forty time at the combine indicates. He has very good football speed.

MJD ran a 4.39 forty at the combine. That's pretty fast for a RB. How much faster do you want him to run???

Where are you getting 4.39 from?I am reading 4.43 which wasn't the fastest for all RBs at the combine. I am getting my info from Pro Football Weekly Vol. XXI No. 3 May 2006. (It does not say if it's avg 40 time or best) Just curious where you got 4.39 from, was it from a message board poster in this thead who didn't cite a source?Why are you quoting me and asking how much faster I want him to run? I am not knocking his speed at all. Even if his 40 time is 4.39 he still looks faster than that to me in pads. I am pro MJD, I don't want him to run any faster. What he is doing is just fine with me if you must know.

 

[GDogg]

He seems faster in pads than his forty time at the combine indicates. He has very good football speed.

MJD ran a 4.39 forty at the combine. That's pretty fast for a RB. How much faster do you want him to run???

Where are you getting 4.39 from?I am reading 4.43 which wasn't the fastest for all RBs at the combine. I am getting my info from Pro Football Weekly Vol. XXI No. 3 May 2006. (It does not say if it's avg 40 time or best) Just curious where you got 4.39 from, was it from a message board poster in this thead who didn't cite a source?

Why are you quoting me and asking how much faster I want him to run? I am not knocking his speed at all. Even if his 40 time is 4.39 he still looks faster than that to me in pads. I am pro MJD, I don't want him to run any faster. What he is doing is just fine with me if you must know.

Here's a few with the 4.39 40:http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/drew_maurice

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5526238

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/dr...r-profile_x.htm

There are many, many more, including an interview with Maurice, himself, if you don't believe me.

 

[brakeyawself]

He gets no love because he's UNDER 5'7" and to my knowledge, there has NEVER been a successful primary ball-carrier under 5'7" in the NFL. Maybe he'll be the first, but there's a REASON it has never been done.

I don't know what Barry Sanders was listed at, but I am 5'8" and looked him right in the eye at a charity event a few years back. I'd consider him a primany ball carrier.

Yeah, he probably picked under 5'7" because sanders was 5'8" (5'11" with the hair). It's much easier to make a point if you can arbitrarily pick thresholds which support your theory.

Hate to state the obvious here, but there was nothing arbitrary about " under 5'7" ". I chose that phrase because that's exactly what Drew IS - " under 5'7" ".Joe Morris, who I had forgotten, is the best only counter-example that seems to pop up. He's was (is) a little taller than Drew, but at least there is one semi-precedent (albeit two decades ago).

Why does height matter? Hell if I know! You could make a case (as many have) that you would be better off shorter than taller at a given minimum weight. But the FACT is that not very many people (if any) his height have EVER done what some people are saying he will do. Just seems unlikely to me, based on historical evidence. That's all I am saying. That's the simple reason he "gets no love", because the odds are heavily against him.

Why are the odds heavily against him? Do you have the information for the number of players his height that have actually failed in the NFL at RB? My guess is that there aren't many because there simply haven't been many players to have played RB in the NFL, period, at that height.

I agree with this. Lots of players fail in general. Few players are that short. If you are that small, you wouldnt even be drafted without the proper talent. In fact, I believe thats the only reason guys like Drew and Clevelands Harrison (5'9) were drafted as late as they were. Harrison IMO looks amazing. Drew has slightly better moves I think, and thicker legs.

 

[Liquid Tension]

A) Jones is the primary backup.B) Jones will get plenty of love after the uninformed see him on the hilight reel week in and week out this year.

Hey LHUCKS, I dropped Jones in favor of Deangelo Williams b/c I needed the roster spot elsewhere. Not feeling too sure about the decision. Any thoughts?

This is absolutely the right move. I like Drew, but he has two guys ahead of him and I don't see him getting much at all this year. If he puts up 700 total yards and 5 td's that would be a lot.

 

[Holy Schneikes]

He gets no love because he's UNDER 5'7" and to my knowledge, there has NEVER been a successful primary ball-carrier under 5'7" in the NFL. Maybe he'll be the first, but there's a REASON it has never been done.

I don't know what Barry Sanders was listed at, but I am 5'8" and looked him right in the eye at a charity event a few years back. I'd consider him a primany ball carrier.

Yeah, he probably picked under 5'7" because sanders was 5'8" (5'11" with the hair). It's much easier to make a point if you can arbitrarily pick thresholds which support your theory.

Hate to state the obvious here, but there was nothing arbitrary about " under 5'7" ". I chose that phrase because that's exactly what Drew IS - " under 5'7" ".Joe Morris, who I had forgotten, is the best only counter-example that seems to pop up. He's was (is) a little taller than Drew, but at least there is one semi-precedent (albeit two decades ago).

Why does height matter? Hell if I know! You could make a case (as many have) that you would be better off shorter than taller at a given minimum weight. But the FACT is that not very many people (if any) his height have EVER done what some people are saying he will do. Just seems unlikely to me, based on historical evidence. That's all I am saying. That's the simple reason he "gets no love", because the odds are heavily against him.

Why are the odds heavily against him? Do you have the information for the number of players his height that have actually failed in the NFL at RB? My guess is that there aren't many because there simply haven't been many players to have played RB in the NFL, period, at that height.

Well, OK - the next question would be why haven't there been many players at that height to play in the NFL. There are lots of short guys in the world - why did none of them make it to the NFL? Coincidence?You are using a circular argument.

 

[duaneok66]

He gets no love because he's UNDER 5'7" and to my knowledge, there has NEVER been a successful primary ball-carrier under 5'7" in the NFL. Maybe he'll be the first, but there's a REASON it has never been done.

I don't know what Barry Sanders was listed at, but I am 5'8" and looked him right in the eye at a charity event a few years back. I'd consider him a primany ball carrier.

Yeah, he probably picked under 5'7" because sanders was 5'8" (5'11" with the hair). It's much easier to make a point if you can arbitrarily pick thresholds which support your theory.

Hate to state the obvious here, but there was nothing arbitrary about " under 5'7" ". I chose that phrase because that's exactly what Drew IS - " under 5'7" ".Joe Morris, who I had forgotten, is the best only counter-example that seems to pop up. He's was (is) a little taller than Drew, but at least there is one semi-precedent (albeit two decades ago).

Why does height matter? Hell if I know! You could make a case (as many have) that you would be better off shorter than taller at a given minimum weight. But the FACT is that not very many people (if any) his height have EVER done what some people are saying he will do. Just seems unlikely to me, based on historical evidence. That's all I am saying. That's the simple reason he "gets no love", because the odds are heavily against him.

Why are the odds heavily against him? Do you have the information for the number of players his height that have actually failed in the NFL at RB? My guess is that there aren't many because there simply haven't been many players to have played RB in the NFL, period, at that height.

Well, OK - the next question would be why haven't there been many players at that height to play in the NFL. There are lots of short guys in the world - why did none of them make it to the NFL? Coincidence?You are using a circular argument.

don't waste your time . . . these people actually think YOU made up the threshold . . . I'm sure that NFL scouts have NO standards for height, weight, speed etc., for each position . . . as long as you think you can play, you TOO (regardless of physical stature) can play in the NFL . . .

 

[Football Jones]

It's not so much about height as it is weight. There haven't been a lot of successful 5'7" RBs, but there a very few people who are 5'7" & a rock-hard 207. Plus, it's better to be short than tall (as a RB).

If Jones-Drew fails, I can assure you it won't be because of his height. Anyway, I believe he'll be their feature back sometime in '07.

 

[GDogg]

He gets no love because he's UNDER 5'7" and to my knowledge, there has NEVER been a successful primary ball-carrier under 5'7" in the NFL. Maybe he'll be the first, but there's a REASON it has never been done.

I don't know what Barry Sanders was listed at, but I am 5'8" and looked him right in the eye at a charity event a few years back. I'd consider him a primany ball carrier.

Yeah, he probably picked under 5'7" because sanders was 5'8" (5'11" with the hair). It's much easier to make a point if you can arbitrarily pick thresholds which support your theory.

Hate to state the obvious here, but there was nothing arbitrary about " under 5'7" ". I chose that phrase because that's exactly what Drew IS - " under 5'7" ".Joe Morris, who I had forgotten, is the best only counter-example that seems to pop up. He's was (is) a little taller than Drew, but at least there is one semi-precedent (albeit two decades ago).

Why does height matter? Hell if I know! You could make a case (as many have) that you would be better off shorter than taller at a given minimum weight. But the FACT is that not very many people (if any) his height have EVER done what some people are saying he will do. Just seems unlikely to me, based on historical evidence. That's all I am saying. That's the simple reason he "gets no love", because the odds are heavily against him.

Why are the odds heavily against him? Do you have the information for the number of players his height that have actually failed in the NFL at RB? My guess is that there aren't many because there simply haven't been many players to have played RB in the NFL, period, at that height.

Well, OK - the next question would be why haven't there been many players at that height to play in the NFL. There are lots of short guys in the world - why did none of them make it to the NFL? Coincidence?You are using a circular argument.

A circular argument? I don't think the reason there have been so few 5-7 RB's in the league has anything to do with height. It has to do with talent. Are you saying that the Jaguars were so completely out to lunch on their evaluation of him that it was a mistake to take him in the 2nd Round with their 2nd pick? Most 5-7 guys that I remember in high school didn't bother to even try to play football and none of them ran a 4.39 40.Maurice Drew runs a sub 4.4 40 and beat Reggie Bush in the 100 during the California state T&F championships. He's also very strong, and doesn't go down easily.

But, yeah, ignore what you see the guy do on the field not because of his talents, but because he's short.

 

[cstu]

He gets no love because he's UNDER 5'7" and to my knowledge, there has NEVER been a successful primary ball-carrier under 5'7" in the NFL. Maybe he'll be the first, but there's a REASON it has never been done.

I don't know what Barry Sanders was listed at, but I am 5'8" and looked him right in the eye at a charity event a few years back. I'd consider him a primany ball carrier.

Yeah, he probably picked under 5'7" because sanders was 5'8" (5'11" with the hair). It's much easier to make a point if you can arbitrarily pick thresholds which support your theory.

Hate to state the obvious here, but there was nothing arbitrary about " under 5'7" ". I chose that phrase because that's exactly what Drew IS - " under 5'7" ".Joe Morris, who I had forgotten, is the best only counter-example that seems to pop up. He's was (is) a little taller than Drew, but at least there is one semi-precedent (albeit two decades ago).

Why does height matter? Hell if I know! You could make a case (as many have) that you would be better off shorter than taller at a given minimum weight. But the FACT is that not very many people (if any) his height have EVER done what some people are saying he will do. Just seems unlikely to me, based on historical evidence. That's all I am saying. That's the simple reason he "gets no love", because the odds are heavily against him.

Why are the odds heavily against him? Do you have the information for the number of players his height that have actually failed in the NFL at RB? My guess is that there aren't many because there simply haven't been many players to have played RB in the NFL, period, at that height.

Well, OK - the next question would be why haven't there been many players at that height to play in the NFL. There are lots of short guys in the world - why did none of them make it to the NFL? Coincidence?You are using a circular argument.

A circular argument? I don't think the reason there have been so few 5-7 RB's in the league has anything to do with height. It has to do with talent. Are you saying that the Jaguars were so completely out to lunch on their evaluation of him that it was a mistake to take him in the 2nd Round with their 2nd pick? Most 5-7 guys that I remember in high school didn't bother to even try to play football and none of them ran a 4.39 40.Maurice Drew runs a sub 4.4 40 and beat Reggie Bush in the 100 during the California state T&F championships. He's also very strong, and doesn't go down easily.

But, yeah, ignore what you see the guy do on the field not because of his talents, but because he's short.

The fact is that it's not very common for a guy to be under 5-7 but over 200lbs and still be able to run a 4.4. If there were more short guys with his size and speed then you'd see more in the NFL.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Maurice Drew runs a sub 4.4 40 and beat Reggie Bush in the 100 during the California state T&F championships.

This is false, btw. Drew's best 100 was 10.78 and he never beat Bush in HS. It's an internet legend that's been passed around for over a year. Drew was eliminated in an early qualifier at the state meet. Reggie finished third in the final. His best 100 was 4 tenths faster than Drew ever ran. Reggie was expected to win, but he had a bad race. He was closing on the winner at the tape.ETA: Fwiw, Bush at the State Meet