Mack Brown stepping down (1 Viewer)

[gump]

http://texas.247sports.com/Article/Mack-Brown-Responds-165559

"I'm in Florida recruiting."

This is the Longhorns problem. They need to focus on locking up their in-state guys.

They have seven of the top 30 Texas recruits from 2014 already locked up and have a shot at four others, ranked #10 by Rivals at the moment. 2012 their class was #2 in the country

2011 their class was #3 in the country

2010 their class was #3 in the country

2009 their class was #5 in the country

2008 their class was #14 in the country

2007 their class was #5 in the country

Texas has no problem recruiting.

Yes they do. TAMU is whipping them, and of the top 10 kids from the state...they haven't signed any....while TAMU, Baylor, LSU, and even Oregon have.

Texas is insulated to the point where they'll never dip low, but they SHOULD be higher.

Texas has the second best recruited talent in the country over the last 4 years behind only Alabama. They can get higher, but not that much higher. Their 2014 class is ranked #7 by Scout and #10 by Rivals.

Recruiting hasn't been their problem.

Momentum belongs to TAMU...having smoked them last year and now this one.

Regardless of rankings, the local perception is that Mack has gotten a little lazy with it. Hence the 'working' jab.

 

[Doug B]

Probably Oregon before Mich and OU.

Not all time, though.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Mack is a very underrated name.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

2012 their class was #2 in the country

2011 their class was #3 in the country

2010 their class was #3 in the country

2009 their class was #5 in the country

2008 their class was #14 in the country

2007 their class was #5 in the country

Texas has no problem recruiting.

Yes they do.

Texas recruits well

Which is it?

 

[Parrothead]

Mack is a very underrated name.

Mack the Knife down?

 

[B-Deep]

http://news.yahoo.com/brown-39-attorney-denies-report-coach-resigning-204333538--spt.html

 

[pollardsvision]

2012 their class was #2 in the country

2011 their class was #3 in the country

2010 their class was #3 in the country

2009 their class was #5 in the country

2008 their class was #14 in the country

2007 their class was #5 in the country

Texas has no problem recruiting.

Yes they do.

Texas recruits well

Which is it?

You need to write political campaign ads.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Mack is a very underrated name.

Mack the Knife down?

One day they will write a song about Mack the Brown.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

http://texas.247sports.com/Article/Mack-Brown-Responds-165559

"I'm in Florida recruiting."

This is the Longhorns problem. They need to focus on locking up their in-state guys.

They have seven of the top 30 Texas recruits from 2014 already locked up and have a shot at four others, ranked #10 by Rivals at the moment. 2012 their class was #2 in the country

2011 their class was #3 in the country

2010 their class was #3 in the country

2009 their class was #5 in the country

2008 their class was #14 in the country

2007 their class was #5 in the country

Texas has no problem recruiting.

Yes they do. TAMU is whipping them, and of the top 10 kids from the state...they haven't signed any....while TAMU, Baylor, LSU, and even Oregon have.

Texas is insulated to the point where they'll never dip low, but they SHOULD be higher.

TAMU has 8 top 30 guys and two in the top 10 and both have 11 of the top 50. Baylor has three in the top 50, Oregon and LSU have two combined.

Yeah they are really showing Texas.

TAMU is easily ahead in the composite...with less kids. And Texas will be dropping.

Texas recruits well because they are Texas. If you don't think UT fans are disappointed about Mack's recruiting, then I don't know what to tell you.

If you can't look at the national rankings the past ten years, I don't know what to tell you. UT fans have had nothing to complain about for a decade in recruiting, not even sure how you can say that.

TAMU is riding the Manziel wave, that won't last IMO. Part of their current class has a five star QB from AZ, and four stars from PA, MS and AZ.

 

[Clifford]

Texas football all time winning percentage: 71.4%

Alabama football all time winning percentage: 71.2%

For all time greatest programs, its what - Texas, Bama, USC, Michigan, Ohio State, Oklahoma? Anyone else worth mentioning?

If you're just going on national titles I think you unfortunately have to include Notre Dame. Are we counting all or # in the past 50 years or something like that?

 

[B-Deep]

I have not decided to step down <> I have decided not to step down

 

[Doctor Detroit]

You can say whatever you like about Mack Brown, and I'll certainly miss him, but his recruiting efforts have been among the best in the country during his tenure.

Tuck Fexas

Get some Shannihanai while their hot!

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Texas football all time winning percentage: 71.4%

Alabama football all time winning percentage: 71.2%

For all time greatest programs, its what - Texas, Bama, USC, Michigan, Ohio State, Oklahoma? Anyone else worth mentioning?

If you're just going on national titles I think you unfortunately have to include Notre Dame. Are we counting all or # in the past 50 years or something like that?

Notre Dame is in there if not #1.

 

[The Commish]

How will Bama Nation take this if Saban does leave?

I hope we find out. I couldn't care less about who coaches Alabama or Texas, but the reaction from the Alabama fan base would be priceless.

It's already been pretty entertaining.

 

[gump]

TAMU has 8 top 30 guys and two in the top 10 and both have 11 of the top 50. Baylor has three in the top 50, Oregon and LSU have two combined.

Yeah they are really showing Texas.

TAMU is easily ahead in the composite...with less kids. And Texas will be dropping.

Texas recruits well because they are Texas. If you don't think UT fans are disappointed about Mack's recruiting, then I don't know what to tell you.

If you can't look at the national rankings the past ten years, I don't know what to tell you. UT fans have had nothing to complain about for a decade in recruiting, not even sure how you can say that.

TAMU is riding the Manziel wave, that won't last IMO. Part of their current class has a five star QB from AZ, and four stars from PA, MS and AZ.

Brown's philosophy of signing kids so early is under fire from fans...that he's missing out on kids who develop during their senior year. Same thing Pelini is criticized for. That philosophy has helped lead to misses on kids like Manziel. It's creating a feeling of over-confidence by the coach.

Combine that with the momentum of TAMU and it's a big topic of conversation.

 

[Abraham]

TAMU has 8 top 30 guys and two in the top 10 and both have 11 of the top 50. Baylor has three in the top 50, Oregon and LSU have two combined.

Yeah they are really showing Texas.

TAMU is easily ahead in the composite...with less kids. And Texas will be dropping.

Texas recruits well because they are Texas. If you don't think UT fans are disappointed about Mack's recruiting, then I don't know what to tell you.

If you can't look at the national rankings the past ten years, I don't know what to tell you. UT fans have had nothing to complain about for a decade in recruiting, not even sure how you can say that.

TAMU is riding the Manziel wave, that won't last IMO. Part of their current class has a five star QB from AZ, and four stars from PA, MS and AZ.

Brown's philosophy of signing kids so early is under fire from fans...that he's missing out on kids who develop during their senior year. Same thing Pelini is criticized for. That philosophy has helped lead to misses on kids like Manziel. It's creating a feeling of over-confidence by the coach.

Combine that with the momentum of TAMU and it's a big topic of conversation.

Really? That's not the conversation we are having about Texas football here in Austin. But interesting nonetheless.

 

[GDogg]

http://texas.247sports.com/Article/Mack-Brown-Responds-165559

"I'm in Florida recruiting."

This is the Longhorns problem. They need to focus on locking up their in-state guys.

They have seven of the top 30 Texas recruits from 2014 already locked up and have a shot at four others, ranked #10 by Rivals at the moment. 2012 their class was #2 in the country

2011 their class was #3 in the country

2010 their class was #3 in the country

2009 their class was #5 in the country

2008 their class was #14 in the country

2007 their class was #5 in the country

Texas has no problem recruiting.

Yes they do. TAMU is whipping them, and of the top 10 kids from the state...they haven't signed any....while TAMU, Baylor, LSU, and even Oregon have.

Texas is insulated to the point where they'll never dip low, but they SHOULD be higher.

Texas has the second best recruited talent in the country over the last 4 years behind only Alabama. They can get higher, but not that much higher. Their 2014 class is ranked #7 by Scout and #10 by Rivals.

Recruiting hasn't been their problem.

Momentum belongs to TAMU...having smoked them last year and now this one.

Regardless of rankings, the local perception is that Mack has gotten a little lazy with it. Hence the 'working' jab.

That's fine, but the facts are the facts. The perception is wrong. Only Alabama has stocked more talent over the last 4 years, and Texas is going to bring in another Top 10 class this year.

 

[gump]

TAMU has 8 top 30 guys and two in the top 10 and both have 11 of the top 50. Baylor has three in the top 50, Oregon and LSU have two combined.

Yeah they are really showing Texas.

TAMU is easily ahead in the composite...with less kids. And Texas will be dropping.

Texas recruits well because they are Texas. If you don't think UT fans are disappointed about Mack's recruiting, then I don't know what to tell you.

If you can't look at the national rankings the past ten years, I don't know what to tell you. UT fans have had nothing to complain about for a decade in recruiting, not even sure how you can say that.

TAMU is riding the Manziel wave, that won't last IMO. Part of their current class has a five star QB from AZ, and four stars from PA, MS and AZ.

Brown's philosophy of signing kids so early is under fire from fans...that he's missing out on kids who develop during their senior year. Same thing Pelini is criticized for. That philosophy has helped lead to misses on kids like Manziel. It's creating a feeling of over-confidence by the coach.

Combine that with the momentum of TAMU and it's a big topic of conversation.

Really? That's not the conversation we are having about Texas football here in Austin. But interesting nonetheless.

C'mon Abe...you haven't heard criticism about Mack getting lazy in recruiting? I don't believe it.

 

[gump]

http://texas.247sports.com/Article/Mack-Brown-Responds-165559

"I'm in Florida recruiting."

This is the Longhorns problem. They need to focus on locking up their in-state guys.

They have seven of the top 30 Texas recruits from 2014 already locked up and have a shot at four others, ranked #10 by Rivals at the moment. 2012 their class was #2 in the country

2011 their class was #3 in the country

2010 their class was #3 in the country

2009 their class was #5 in the country

2008 their class was #14 in the country

2007 their class was #5 in the country

Texas has no problem recruiting.

Yes they do. TAMU is whipping them, and of the top 10 kids from the state...they haven't signed any....while TAMU, Baylor, LSU, and even Oregon have.

Texas is insulated to the point where they'll never dip low, but they SHOULD be higher.

Texas has the second best recruited talent in the country over the last 4 years behind only Alabama. They can get higher, but not that much higher. Their 2014 class is ranked #7 by Scout and #10 by Rivals.

Recruiting hasn't been their problem.

Momentum belongs to TAMU...having smoked them last year and now this one.

Regardless of rankings, the local perception is that Mack has gotten a little lazy with it. Hence the 'working' jab.

That's fine, but the facts are the facts. The perception is wrong. Only Alabama has stocked more talent over the last 4 years, and Texas is going to bring in another Top 10 class this year.

I don't think they will be Top 10. Florida, LSU, Michigan, Clemson all schools behind them with more room to go. Maybe they sign some big undecideds though.

 

[GDogg]

TAMU has 8 top 30 guys and two in the top 10 and both have 11 of the top 50. Baylor has three in the top 50, Oregon and LSU have two combined.

Yeah they are really showing Texas.

TAMU is easily ahead in the composite...with less kids. And Texas will be dropping.

Texas recruits well because they are Texas. If you don't think UT fans are disappointed about Mack's recruiting, then I don't know what to tell you.

If you can't look at the national rankings the past ten years, I don't know what to tell you. UT fans have had nothing to complain about for a decade in recruiting, not even sure how you can say that.

TAMU is riding the Manziel wave, that won't last IMO. Part of their current class has a five star QB from AZ, and four stars from PA, MS and AZ.

Brown's philosophy of signing kids so early is under fire from fans...that he's missing out on kids who develop during their senior year. Same thing Pelini is criticized for. That philosophy has helped lead to misses on kids like Manziel. It's creating a feeling of over-confidence by the coach.

Combine that with the momentum of TAMU and it's a big topic of conversation.

Pelini's recruiting has been pretty bad, period.

It's not the philosophy that led to missing on Manziel. Most people did, including the recruiting websites. Even if you say Manziel developed during his senior year, he finished his senior year as a 3 star QB with both Scout (#22 QB) and Rivals. Both had David Ash as the higher ranked player.

Texas signed the #3 class according to both Rivals and Scout for the 2011 class. Manziel turned out to be much better than Ash (particularly for the spread), but it's not like he had a ton of big time schools beating down his door. The only Top 25 schools, outside of A&M, that were finalists for him were Oregon and Stanford.

 

[Phil Elliott]

http://texas.247sports.com/Article/Mack-Brown-Responds-165559

"I'm in Florida recruiting."

This is the Longhorns problem. They need to focus on locking up their in-state guys.

This probably wasn't the best choice of words: "I'm in Florida recruiting. If I had decided to step down I sure wouldn't be killing myself down here. I have not decided to step down."

 

[Clifford]

Texas football all time winning percentage: 71.4%

Alabama football all time winning percentage: 71.2%

For all time greatest programs, its what - Texas, Bama, USC, Michigan, Ohio State, Oklahoma? Anyone else worth mentioning?

If you're just going on national titles I think you unfortunately have to include Notre Dame. Are we counting all or # in the past 50 years or something like that?

Notre Dame is in there if not #1.

How on earth would you justify them being #1? The four fewer titles than Bama or the fact that none of them have occurred in the past 25 years?

 

[Gr00vus]

Asik and Lin for Saban?

 

[GDogg]

http://texas.247sports.com/Article/Mack-Brown-Responds-165559

"I'm in Florida recruiting."

This is the Longhorns problem. They need to focus on locking up their in-state guys.

They have seven of the top 30 Texas recruits from 2014 already locked up and have a shot at four others, ranked #10 by Rivals at the moment. 2012 their class was #2 in the country

2011 their class was #3 in the country

2010 their class was #3 in the country

2009 their class was #5 in the country

2008 their class was #14 in the country

2007 their class was #5 in the country

Texas has no problem recruiting.

Yes they do. TAMU is whipping them, and of the top 10 kids from the state...they haven't signed any....while TAMU, Baylor, LSU, and even Oregon have.

Texas is insulated to the point where they'll never dip low, but they SHOULD be higher.

Texas has the second best recruited talent in the country over the last 4 years behind only Alabama. They can get higher, but not that much higher. Their 2014 class is ranked #7 by Scout and #10 by Rivals.

Recruiting hasn't been their problem.

Momentum belongs to TAMU...having smoked them last year and now this one.

Regardless of rankings, the local perception is that Mack has gotten a little lazy with it. Hence the 'working' jab.

That's fine, but the facts are the facts. The perception is wrong. Only Alabama has stocked more talent over the last 4 years, and Texas is going to bring in another Top 10 class this year.

I don't think they will be Top 10. Florida, LSU, Michigan, Clemson all schools behind them with more room to go. Maybe they sign some big undecideds though.

It will be close and things will change for Texas and other schools, obviously.

I don't know what Rivals' formula is, but on Scout, Texas has 3394 recruiting points for the current class. If they sign everyone they have committed and don't sign another recruit (and their recruits don't move in the final rankings), their class would have ranked #11 last year, #13 in 2012, #15 in 2011, and #13 in 2010. Still very good.

 

[shader]

How will Bama Nation take this if Saban does leave?

Some would feel outraged and "stabbed in the back". These would be the vocal minority. Most would be appreciative. If Saban retires tomorrow, goes to coach Texas, or heads up the road from Austin to Dallas to try his hand in the NFL, I won't think less of him.

Everything I have read about the situation leads me to believe that he is tired of moving around, and that they've found a home (two kids graduated from Bama, he's much older than he was the last time, etc).

I personally would be surprised if he left. He has one of the best recruiting classes in his history (and that is really saying something) coming in this year. He has built a dynasty, and over the next 4-6 years, I think it's safe to say Bama has 1-2 NC's in them if he stays.

I guess it would enhance his legacy if he went and re-built Texas, but I don't see how.

It's certainly not the money.

I don't see it happening, but if he has ants in the pants, I wish him the best and thank him for helping restore Bama to a top position. Like LSU, Bama is setup so well, it would take an absolute moron to mess this up.

 

[Abraham]

TAMU has 8 top 30 guys and two in the top 10 and both have 11 of the top 50. Baylor has three in the top 50, Oregon and LSU have two combined.

Yeah they are really showing Texas.

TAMU is easily ahead in the composite...with less kids. And Texas will be dropping.

Texas recruits well because they are Texas. If you don't think UT fans are disappointed about Mack's recruiting, then I don't know what to tell you.

If you can't look at the national rankings the past ten years, I don't know what to tell you. UT fans have had nothing to complain about for a decade in recruiting, not even sure how you can say that.

TAMU is riding the Manziel wave, that won't last IMO. Part of their current class has a five star QB from AZ, and four stars from PA, MS and AZ.

Brown's philosophy of signing kids so early is under fire from fans...that he's missing out on kids who develop during their senior year. Same thing Pelini is criticized for. That philosophy has helped lead to misses on kids like Manziel. It's creating a feeling of over-confidence by the coach.

Combine that with the momentum of TAMU and it's a big topic of conversation.

Really? That's not the conversation we are having about Texas football here in Austin. But interesting nonetheless.

C'mon Abe...you haven't heard criticism about Mack getting lazy in recruiting? I don't believe it.

I haven't heard anything about signing kids early being the reason for missing out on Manziel.

Texas doesn't have a recruiting problem. Despite what Rivals and everyone else may lead people to believe, there are only so many roster spots available and the top-30 of Texas high school football can't all end up on the 40 acres. Not everyone in the state's top 5 or top 10 or top 100 is as good as the rankings would have you think just as their are unheralded players that slip through the cracks all together. David Ash was a highly rated HS quarterback who has neither been able to stay healthy nor performed as expected. Garrett Gilbert, who was supposed to take the reins from a series of quarterbacks that were all pretty good in college (McCoy, Young, Simms, Applewhite) but that didn't work out and he transferred...and turned in to a pretty good college quarterback before it was all said and done.

I don't think Texas has a recruiting problem nearly as much as they have a talent development problem. 2013 saw one 1st round NFL pick and a couple guys in later rounds. 2012 only three Longhorns drafted (none higher than round 4). 2011 had four (2nd round highest). Go back to 2010 and find six draft picks, four in 2009, five in 2008, thirteen total in 2007 and 2006. Not to say that the NFL draft is the be all, but it's a telling indicator of what's happening to this high level talent. If you are getting 20 of the 500 best high school players in the country every year but only developing 10% of them in to pro-level talent, then that is not a good thing for a program like Texas.

Would JFF or Winston have made a difference? Yes, no, who knows. Diaz was a disaster as DC. I'm sure others will argue that Mack is out schemed, out prepared, out coached on game day. I'm not sure and I'm really not enough of a Longhorn fan to care. But I do know that the general sentiment around here is that the team can't win the big game and fans are tired of watching exciting talent like Manizel or Griffin playing an hour and a half away but the Longhorns keep plodding along with the most boring brand of football west of the Mississippi.

 

[gump]

How will Bama Nation take this if Saban does leave?

Some would feel outraged and "stabbed in the back". These would be the vocal minority. Most would be appreciative. If Saban retires tomorrow, goes to coach Texas, or heads up the road from Austin to Dallas to try his hand in the NFL, I won't think less of him.

Everything I have read about the situation leads me to believe that he is tired of moving around, and that they've found a home (two kids graduated from Bama, he's much older than he was the last time, etc).

I personally would be surprised if he left. He has one of the best recruiting classes in his history (and that is really saying something) coming in this year. He has built a dynasty, and over the next 4-6 years, I think it's safe to say Bama has 1-2 NC's in them if he stays.

I guess it would enhance his legacy if he went and re-built Texas, but I don't see how.

It's certainly not the money.

I don't see it happening, but if he has ants in the pants, I wish him the best and thank him for helping restore Bama to a top position. Like LSU, Bama is setup so well, it would take an absolute moron to mess this up.

Honestly...don't worry about it man. It is pretty entertaining though.

 

[Phil Elliott]

TAMU has 8 top 30 guys and two in the top 10 and both have 11 of the top 50. Baylor has three in the top 50, Oregon and LSU have two combined.

Yeah they are really showing Texas.

TAMU is easily ahead in the composite...with less kids. And Texas will be dropping.

Texas recruits well because they are Texas. If you don't think UT fans are disappointed about Mack's recruiting, then I don't know what to tell you.

If you can't look at the national rankings the past ten years, I don't know what to tell you. UT fans have had nothing to complain about for a decade in recruiting, not even sure how you can say that.

TAMU is riding the Manziel wave, that won't last IMO. Part of their current class has a five star QB from AZ, and four stars from PA, MS and AZ.

Brown's philosophy of signing kids so early is under fire from fans...that he's missing out on kids who develop during their senior year. Same thing Pelini is criticized for. That philosophy has helped lead to misses on kids like Manziel. It's creating a feeling of over-confidence by the coach.

Combine that with the momentum of TAMU and it's a big topic of conversation.

Really? That's not the conversation we are having about Texas football here in Austin. But interesting nonetheless.

C'mon Abe...you haven't heard criticism about Mack getting lazy in recruiting? I don't believe it.

I haven't heard anything about signing kids early being the reason for missing out on Manziel.

Texas doesn't have a recruiting problem. Despite what Rivals and everyone else may lead people to believe, there are only so many roster spots available and the top-30 of Texas high school football can't all end up on the 40 acres. Not everyone in the state's top 5 or top 10 or top 100 is as good as the rankings would have you think just as their are unheralded players that slip through the cracks all together. David Ash was a highly rated HS quarterback who has neither been able to stay healthy nor performed as expected. Garrett Gilbert, who was supposed to take the reins from a series of quarterbacks that were all pretty good in college (McCoy, Young, Simms, Applewhite) but that didn't work out and he transferred...and turned in to a pretty good college quarterback before it was all said and done.

I don't think Texas has a recruiting problem nearly as much as they have a talent development problem. 2013 saw one 1st round NFL pick and a couple guys in later rounds. 2012 only three Longhorns drafted (none higher than round 4). 2011 had four (2nd round highest). Go back to 2010 and find six draft picks, four in 2009, five in 2008, thirteen total in 2007 and 2006. Not to say that the NFL draft is the be all, but it's a telling indicator of what's happening to this high level talent. If you are getting 20 of the 500 best high school players in the country every year but only developing 10% of them in to pro-level talent, then that is not a good thing for a program like Texas.

Would JFF or Winston have made a difference? Yes, no, who knows. Diaz was a disaster as DC. I'm sure others will argue that Mack is out schemed, out prepared, out coached on game day. I'm not sure and I'm really not enough of a Longhorn fan to care. But I do know that the general sentiment around here is that the team can't win the big game and fans are tired of watching exciting talent like Manizel or Griffin playing an hour and a half away but the Longhorns keep plodding along with the most boring brand of football west of the Mississippi.

I agree with this. We bring in top 10 recruiting classes and they seldom develop to even close to their top potential. There is no reason we shouldn't have a top QB/RB/WR every year.

 

[ATC1]

How will Bama Nation take this if Saban does leave?

Some would feel outraged and "stabbed in the back". These would be the vocal minority. Most would be appreciative. If Saban retires tomorrow, goes to coach Texas, or heads up the road from Austin to Dallas to try his hand in the NFL, I won't think less of him.

Everything I have read about the situation leads me to believe that he is tired of moving around, and that they've found a home (two kids graduated from Bama, he's much older than he was the last time, etc).

I personally would be surprised if he left. He has one of the best recruiting classes in his history (and that is really saying something) coming in this year. He has built a dynasty, and over the next 4-6 years, I think it's safe to say Bama has 1-2 NC's in them if he stays.

I guess it would enhance his legacy if he went and re-built Texas, but I don't see how.

It's certainly not the money.

I don't see it happening, but if he has ants in the pants, I wish him the best and thank him for helping restore Bama to a top position. Like LSU, Bama is setup so well, it would take an absolute moron to mess this up.

This was and would be my thoughts as well.... Until he takes the Auburn job in 3 years.

 

[MAC_32]

Mack is a very underrated name.

Gotta lose the k though.

 

[MAC_32]

So Alabama fans shoot each other when they lose a game. What do they do when they lose their lord and savior? Genocide?

 

[gump]

Maybe I wasn't clear on my point...Texas has recruited fine. But Mack's gotten a rep of being lazy in recruiting, which makes fans feel it isn't being maximized. You can a million articles/posts on it.

 

[dparker713]

TAMU has 8 top 30 guys and two in the top 10 and both have 11 of the top 50. Baylor has three in the top 50, Oregon and LSU have two combined.

Yeah they are really showing Texas.

TAMU is easily ahead in the composite...with less kids. And Texas will be dropping.

Texas recruits well because they are Texas. If you don't think UT fans are disappointed about Mack's recruiting, then I don't know what to tell you.

If you can't look at the national rankings the past ten years, I don't know what to tell you. UT fans have had nothing to complain about for a decade in recruiting, not even sure how you can say that.

TAMU is riding the Manziel wave, that won't last IMO. Part of their current class has a five star QB from AZ, and four stars from PA, MS and AZ.

Brown's philosophy of signing kids so early is under fire from fans...that he's missing out on kids who develop during their senior year. Same thing Pelini is criticized for. That philosophy has helped lead to misses on kids like Manziel. It's creating a feeling of over-confidence by the coach.

Combine that with the momentum of TAMU and it's a big topic of conversation.

Really? That's not the conversation we are having about Texas football here in Austin. But interesting nonetheless.

C'mon Abe...you haven't heard criticism about Mack getting lazy in recruiting? I don't believe it.

I haven't heard anything about signing kids early being the reason for missing out on Manziel.

Texas doesn't have a recruiting problem. Despite what Rivals and everyone else may lead people to believe, there are only so many roster spots available and the top-30 of Texas high school football can't all end up on the 40 acres. Not everyone in the state's top 5 or top 10 or top 100 is as good as the rankings would have you think just as their are unheralded players that slip through the cracks all together. David Ash was a highly rated HS quarterback who has neither been able to stay healthy nor performed as expected. Garrett Gilbert, who was supposed to take the reins from a series of quarterbacks that were all pretty good in college (McCoy, Young, Simms, Applewhite) but that didn't work out and he transferred...and turned in to a pretty good college quarterback before it was all said and done.

I don't think Texas has a recruiting problem nearly as much as they have a talent development problem. 2013 saw one 1st round NFL pick and a couple guys in later rounds. 2012 only three Longhorns drafted (none higher than round 4). 2011 had four (2nd round highest). Go back to 2010 and find six draft picks, four in 2009, five in 2008, thirteen total in 2007 and 2006. Not to say that the NFL draft is the be all, but it's a telling indicator of what's happening to this high level talent. If you are getting 20 of the 500 best high school players in the country every year but only developing 10% of them in to pro-level talent, then that is not a good thing for a program like Texas.

Would JFF or Winston have made a difference? Yes, no, who knows. Diaz was a disaster as DC. I'm sure others will argue that Mack is out schemed, out prepared, out coached on game day. I'm not sure and I'm really not enough of a Longhorn fan to care. But I do know that the general sentiment around here is that the team can't win the big game and fans are tired of watching exciting talent like Manizel or Griffin playing an hour and a half away but the Longhorns keep plodding along with the most boring brand of football west of the Mississippi.

Maybe they develop the players fine, maybe they just recruit the wrong players. I know the scouting services spend alot of time on this, but do we actually know if the scouting services are any good? And shouldn't you expect the top programs to evaluate talent better than the scouting services? So maybe its that Mack and co. rely too much on unreliable third party vendors.

 

[Guest]

Texas football all time winning percentage: 71.4%

Alabama football all time winning percentage: 71.2%

For all time greatest programs, its what - Texas, Bama, USC, Michigan, Ohio State, Oklahoma? Anyone else worth mentioning?

Notre Dame

Nebraska.

 

[metoo]

So Alabama fans shoot each other when they lose a game. What do they do when they lose their lord and savior? Genocide?

He's already dead.

 

[Guest]

I don't think Texas recruiting is the problem. It's the player development once they get there. That falls squarely on the coaching staff. I have read posts about the country club atmosphere also being part of the problem.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Texas football all time winning percentage: 71.4%

Alabama football all time winning percentage: 71.2%

For all time greatest programs, its what - Texas, Bama, USC, Michigan, Ohio State, Oklahoma? Anyone else worth mentioning?

Notre Dame

Nebraska.

Princeton, Yale. Hello?

 

[Guest]

Texas football all time winning percentage: 71.4%

Alabama football all time winning percentage: 71.2%

For all time greatest programs, its what - Texas, Bama, USC, Michigan, Ohio State, Oklahoma? Anyone else worth mentioning?

Notre Dame

Nebraska.

Princeton, Yale. Hello?

Check the most wins in the last 50 years.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Maybe I wasn't clear on my point...Texas has recruited fine. But Mack's gotten a rep of being lazy in recruiting, which makes fans feel it isn't being maximized. You can a million articles/posts on it.

I agree, but don't tell him that. He's killing himself out there.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Texas football all time winning percentage: 71.4%

Alabama football all time winning percentage: 71.2%

For all time greatest programs, its what - Texas, Bama, USC, Michigan, Ohio State, Oklahoma? Anyone else worth mentioning?

Notre Dame

Nebraska.

Princeton, Yale. Hello?

Check the most wins in the last 50 years.

Why?

 

[Aerial Assault]

Shannahanai should be available soon, take your pick of which one you like best.

Neither?

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Maybe I wasn't clear on my point...Texas has recruited fine. But Mack's gotten a rep of being lazy in recruiting, which makes fans feel it isn't being maximized. You can a million articles/posts on it.

Huge backpedal here. You could have said "my bad" but you had to go into how ####### Baylor is out-recruiting Texas.

Not worse than Joe T, but close.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Texas football all time winning percentage: 71.4%

Alabama football all time winning percentage: 71.2%

For all time greatest programs, its what - Texas, Bama, USC, Michigan, Ohio State, Oklahoma? Anyone else worth mentioning?

If you're just going on national titles I think you unfortunately have to include Notre Dame. Are we counting all or # in the past 50 years or something like that?

Notre Dame is in there if not #1.

How on earth would you justify them being #1? The four fewer titles than Bama or the fact that none of them have occurred in the past 25 years?

Pittsburgh claims nine national titles. Are they fifth in your rankings?

 

[timschochet]

The part about recruiting always intrigues me. Texas just lost by 20 points to Baylor a few days ago. Is there a single player on offense or defense that Texas lost out in recruiting to Baylor? Based on Texas' consistent top 10 recruiting, and Baylor's much lesser recruiting, shouldn't Texas be bigger, stronger, faster, and simply better than Baylor at nearly every position?

 

[Doctor Detroit]

The part about recruiting always intrigues me. Texas just lost by 20 points to Baylor a few days ago. Is there a single player on offense or defense that Texas lost out in recruiting to Baylor? Based on Texas' consistent top 10 recruiting, and Baylor's much lesser recruiting, shouldn't Texas be bigger, stronger, faster, and simply better than Baylor at nearly every position?

A lot of it is scheme and execution. Baylor has the Josh Gordans though, making their argument seem more than just scheme.

I'd take Texas' recruits every time though if I were a CFB coach.

 

[timschochet]

The part about recruiting always intrigues me. Texas just lost by 20 points to Baylor a few days ago. Is there a single player on offense or defense that Texas lost out in recruiting to Baylor? Based on Texas' consistent top 10 recruiting, and Baylor's much lesser recruiting, shouldn't Texas be bigger, stronger, faster, and simply better than Baylor at nearly every position?

A lot of it is scheme and execution. Baylor has the Josh Gordans though, making their argument seem more than just scheme.

I'd take Texas' recruits every time though if I were a CFB coach.

This then is a good justification for firing Mack Brown.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

The part about recruiting always intrigues me. Texas just lost by 20 points to Baylor a few days ago. Is there a single player on offense or defense that Texas lost out in recruiting to Baylor? Based on Texas' consistent top 10 recruiting, and Baylor's much lesser recruiting, shouldn't Texas be bigger, stronger, faster, and simply better than Baylor at nearly every position?

A lot of it is scheme and execution. Baylor has the Josh Gordans though, making their argument seem more than just scheme.

I'd take Texas' recruits every time though if I were a CFB coach.

This then is a good justification for firing Mack Brown.

I think that's the bottom line.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Can I get a Cliffs Notes on why Saban would be such a lock to take that job? Is it that Sabans dream job? Does he just seee it as a better job? Seems like his current gig is pretty great, right?

Texas is a better football program, school, city, etc.

I'm sorry but are you talking about the past 6 years? If so, take your meds. Texas hasn't been jack #### since Vince Young.

Vince Young reportedly returning to Texas as QB.

 

[dparker713]

Can I get a Cliffs Notes on why Saban would be such a lock to take that job? Is it that Sabans dream job? Does he just seee it as a better job? Seems like his current gig is pretty great, right?

Texas is a better football program, school, city, etc.

I'm sorry but are you talking about the past 6 years? If so, take your meds. Texas hasn't been jack #### since Vince Young.

Vince Young reportedly returning to Texas as QB.

Mack did make the BCS championship game with Colt McCoy btw

 

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