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What a strange episode of "Mad Men" was "The Runaways," full of long-lost characters like Stephanie, strange bedfellows (sometimes quite literally), desperation plays and the mental disintegration of poor Michael Ginsberg. By the time he presented his severed nipple to Peggy in a box — in an episode that also featured a threesome and Sally being injured in a sword fight of sorts — I began wondering if I hadn't somehow left tonight's "Game of Thrones" on for an extra hour. The show has done crazier episodes — Roger taking LSD, or Don turning into Richard Speck — but they ultimately felt more cohesive even with all their weirdness, where "The Runaways" at times felt like a collection of odd ideas all placed into the same episode in the hope that they would fit together. As it turns out, many of them did, but not enough to make this stand out as one of the stronger entries so far of season 7.Ginsberg has always been presented as someone with a few pieces of his psyche assembled out of order, and also as the most unbridled of all the creatives to walk through any of the offices where Don or Peggy has worked. So if anyone was going to go crack up from the presence of Harry's super computer, it would be him. But he's also been such a non-entity this season (delivering one great joke per episode, then disappearing) that his breakdown didn't have the impact it should have. It tied in with the episode's larger themes about people trying for insane, wildly self-destructive solutions to problems that either don't exist or aren't fully understood, but it could have been so much more if Matt Weiner and company hadn't suddenly remembered five weeks into the season that future NBC sitcom star Ben Feldman can do more than deliver jokes about farts and masturbation.

The computer isn't trying to turn Ginsberg gay, any more than Stephanie is an actual threat to Don and Megan's marriage (which is plenty threatened for other reasons), any more than the other partners want Don out specifically so they can land the Philip Morris account (when the clips from previous episodes reminded us of the many many other reasons they want him gone). But everyone comes up with an irrational plan to escape or fix their current situation, with most of them seeming as likely to succeed as Lou Avery's "Scout's Honor" comic strip.

Stephanie appears for the first time since season 4's "Tomorrowland" — the very episode where Don proposed to Megan with Anna Draper's ring — and whatever awkward sexual tension there once was between her and Don (most of it on Don's end) seems long gone now. He's just pleased to hear from her, to be reminded of the one wholly uncomplicated, happy and easy relationship he's ever had with a woman (the actual nature of his relationship with Anna was very complicated, but the feelings they had for each other were not), and to have the opportunity to pretend to be the uncle he's pretending to be. But Megan — 3000 miles away from Don, and with a pathological fear of rejection — takes one look at this girl, stunning even beneath her hippie filth(*) and behind her baby bump, and is taken aback. Even worse, she realizes that Stephanie knows so many of **** Whitman's secrets — secrets that Megan has viewed as a special bond between her and her husband — and decides to buy her way out of a potential problem. (Megan's embarrassed when her friends see symbols of her wealth like the color TV set, but has no problem using Don's checkbook in situations like this.)

(*) The "Mad Men" makeup people never skimp on the fake dirt for the hippie characters, do they? It's a nice shift away from the classic pop culture depiction of the flower children as beautiful and squeaky-clean.

Megan sends away a beautiful young woman who is essential to Don, and tries to replace her with her friend Amy, who can be fun for a night but then discarded — as extraneous to Don as a man's nipple (attached or otherwise). But Stephanie has the good timing to call the house the next morning, reaffirming her connection with Uncle Don, and leaving a bitter Megan throwing her cigarette against the counter. The two of them don't work — they're almost as far apart emotionally, temperamentally and culturally as they are physically, as we're reminded of whenever one of them winds up at a social gathering for the other — and nothing either tries seems to be improving things. Don goes along with the threeway because he's drunk and because he's a heterosexual male with certain biological imperatives, but in the morning he's just confused, and his mind is quickly filled with thoughts of Stephanie, and of the news Harry gave him at the bar the night before.

The show has been trying to parallel Don's current wife and his ex this season, with Betty reappearing in another episode featuring a lot of conflict between Don and Megan. As with her field trip with Bobby a few weeks ago, her conflict with Henry played more as something designed to give January Jones material than as a story compelling enough to merit time away from the office (and from absent figures this week like Joan, Roger and Pete). But what's at least somewhat interesting here are the cracks we're seeing in Betty and Henry's marriage. Betty's an awful mother, as usual — here threatening to break Sally's arm for talking back to her, and apparently filling poor Bobby with such dread that he has a stomach ache all the time — but for most of the previous three seasons, Henry has generally been patient with her and all her neuroses, putting her on a pedestal at times and at others talking her down from her more extreme behavior. Here — just as Don feels completely separate from Megan as he watches her dance suggestively with a male guest — Betty realizes how little of his life Henry shares with her when Vietnam comes up during small talk at a neighborhood progressive dinner. Henry angrily demanding that Betty "Leave the thinking to me!" is some pretty heavy-handed villainy, though Bobby makes clear to Sally(**) that this isn't the first such fight he's heard through the walls. When Betty hung out with Francine in "Field Trip," she was reminded of how many more options there are for women in 1969 than there were in 1960; rather than trying to work on her marriage the way Megan and Don are in their clumsy way, might Betty finally start working on herself and finding an identity away from being the trophy wife?

(**) The frequent Bobby recasting undercut the sweetness of Sally inviting him into her bed just a bit. Mason Vale Cotton's been playing Bobby for a few seasons now, but I don't feel the link between the two characters that I would if we'd had the same actors playing both parts this whole time.

And at the moment, Don seems much more concerned with a Hail Mary pass to save his marriage to SC&P than he is with whatever's going on with Megan. Interrupting Cutler and Lou's meeting with the Philip Morris execs not only violates half the stipulations in his agreement with the other partners, but seems a 180-degree turn from the guy who agreed to those stipulations in the first place because he wanted to fix the mess he had made. Of course, he didn't realize then just how rigged the game was, and how little anyone at the agency still wanted him around. At the bar, Harry suggests one option for the future, with Don moving to the California office to replace the irrelevant Ted. Don instead has his own plan in mind, and though Jim Cutler does some figurative mustache-twirling when he scoffs at the idea that the Philip Morris stunt will be Don's salvation, the tobacco execs at least seemed intrigued by the possibilities. You can read it either way, just as you can read Don authoritatively whistling for a taxi as him regaining his swagger, or him being anxious to get the hell out of there because it's very possible that Jim is right and he's just made things worse for himself.

In a traditionally-structured "Mad Men" season, an off-kilter episode like "The Runaways" might still have value in building momentum for events happening later in the year. But we only have two more episodes of the show in 2014, and whether or not Matt Weiner has structured what's left as two mini-seasons or a regular season stretched over two years, the ones that don't entirely work stick out more in a smaller sample size.

Some other thoughts:

* Caity Lotz has been very busy on "Arrow" since her last appearance as Stephanie. (And given Jon Hamm's own resemblance to a superhero, it may be for the best that he didn't share physical space with the Black Canary.) And the show dipped into the CW casting pool some more with Jenny Wade from "Reaper" as Amy. (She was also a regular on FOX's short-lived "Good Guys," a place where Ginsberg's mustache might have been happier.)

* Because the show didn't work in enough "2001" references last week, we get Ginsberg trying to read Cutler and Lou's lips as they talk in the computer room, just as the HAL-9000 read the crew's lips to figure out they were plotting against him.

* The check for a grand that Megan writes Stephanie would be worth a little over $6000 in today's dollars.

* "I'm not stupid. I speak Italian!" Even Betty seems to understand that her most appealing moment of the series was that trip to Rome.

* Most of the night's unexpected intersections got explained at some point, but why is Peggy watching TV with Julio from upstairs? Is she just that lonely? Babysitting?

* Ginsberg's fear of the computer, interrupted by frequent ads for "Halt and Catch Fire," AMC's new show about the '80s personal computer boom: stealth marketing for the channel's next series, or Matt Weiner trying to warn people of the dangers of thinking too much about computers, and thus against watching "Halt"?

* Elisabeth Moss doesn't have enough to do in the hour as a whole to seriously consider it as an Emmy submission episode, but Peggy trying to stay composed after realizing what Ginsberg has done to himself was among the better scenes she's ever had to play on the show. For that matter, Stan has existed almost entirely as a comic relief character since he joined the agency, but Jay R. Ferguson was excellent in our brief glimpse of a worried Stan following his buddy Ginsberg to the hospital.

* Another element that could have used more build-up: Harry being so happy to be in Don's company, only an episode after the two of them were sniping at each other as they have for the last several seasons. Some of it's just the booze, and the fact that neither fit in at Megan's party, and some of it's a reminder that they did get along once upon a time — Don has even seen Harry in his underwear — but it still didn't track well with what we've seen between the two of them of late.

* Songs tonight included Blood, Sweat and Tears' "You've Made Me So Very Happy" at Megan's party, and Waylon Jennings' "Only Daddy That'll Walk the Line" as Don whistles for his cab.

* Also, "Underdog," the inspiration for Lou's adventures in cartooning, featured one of the great theme songs of any '60s cartoon, and has been covered memorably many times by, among others, Butthole Surfers and Ted's band on "Scrubs."

* If Betty is serious about running for office with minimal experience, she should absolutely consult with Kristina Braverman, who might also be able to help her set up a school for special needs kids (even if autism spectrum disorders weren't widely diagnosed in 1969), discuss hair coloring tips and commiserate over what it's like when your husband has a thing for his secretary. Really, a lack of evidence of time travel is the only excuse for the two of them to not be best friends, immediately.

* For that matter, if a time machine existed in the "Mad Men" universe (maybe that's what's really in the former creative lounge space?), Lou and Buzz Hickey from "Community" could bond over their cartooning ambitions. Though first Lou would have to meet Trudy Campbell so things could get truly weird.
 
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Seems like Allen isn't the only Ginsberg who likes to....

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Again I'm lukewarm on this episode just like the first one. The big writing ideas in this one were a misunderstanding with flowers and Cooper saying black women can't be at the front desk. oof
Fast forwarded through all the Sally scenes huh?
That might have been the worst MM episode I've seen.
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Other than the last 10 minutes, what happened in this episode?

I thought the Michael story was just ridiculous. Freaked out by a computer, tries to bang Peggy and then rips his nipple off? Come on. That was atrocious.

Don is at a house party on the entire other side of the country and just happens to run into Harry Crane? Groan inducing.

And then the stuff with grandpa drawing his cartoon. Total fluff.
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Ginsburg's descent into madness has been interesting to watch

his alenation

his outbursts

his delusions about being from Mars and hearing voices

his inability to fit in

The loss of the creative room - his one last outlet

people like Lou looking for mediocre creative

Huts too much...his fragile psyche just cracked

 
Ginsburg's descent into madness has been interesting to watch

his alenation

his outbursts

his delusions about being from Mars and hearing voices

his inability to fit in

The loss of the creative room - his one last outlet

people like Lou looking for mediocre creative

Huts too much...his fragile psyche just cracked
I still love how he dropped the F-bomb having to listen to the crappy song Cheval Blanc picked for their TV ad :lmao:

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Again I'm lukewarm on this episode just like the first one. The big writing ideas in this one were a misunderstanding with flowers and Cooper saying black women can't be at the front desk. oof
Fast forwarded through all the Sally scenes huh?
That might have been the worst MM episode I've seen.
:confused:
Other than the last 10 minutes, what happened in this episode?I thought the Michael story was just ridiculous. Freaked out by a computer, tries to bang Peggy and then rips his nipple off? Come on. That was atrocious.

Don is at a house party on the entire other side of the country and just happens to run into Harry Crane? Groan inducing.

And then the stuff with grandpa drawing his cartoon. Total fluff.
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Nah not the same thing. Last night felt like they were doing "5 Interesting Stories About Mad Men" or something. Disjointed mess. And I am barely ever critical about this show.

 
Again I'm lukewarm on this episode just like the first one. The big writing ideas in this one were a misunderstanding with flowers and Cooper saying black women can't be at the front desk. oof
Fast forwarded through all the Sally scenes huh?
That might have been the worst MM episode I've seen.
:confused:
Other than the last 10 minutes, what happened in this episode?I thought the Michael story was just ridiculous. Freaked out by a computer, tries to bang Peggy and then rips his nipple off? Come on. That was atrocious.

Don is at a house party on the entire other side of the country and just happens to run into Harry Crane? Groan inducing.

And then the stuff with grandpa drawing his cartoon. Total fluff.
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Nah not the same thing. Last night felt like they were doing "5 Interesting Stories About Mad Men" or something. Disjointed mess. And I am barely ever critical about this show.
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Eh, I liked the episode.

I like the season, just as I did last season. Still a flawless show to me. I get the criticisms, don't get me wrong, but this is paced just like a Steinbeck novel as I've mentioned before. It's a perfect pace because it's a character driven, not an event driven, plot.

I'm enjoying hating Peggy, the writers did a great job turning her from a person we might pity or root for into a complete pain in the ###.

No Roger or Joan this episode was disappointing though.

 
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PlasmaDogPlasma said:
Officer Pete Malloy said:
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How come we're still following Betty but not Trudy?
Trudy wasn't married to the main character. :shrug:
Not a good enough reason to not give Allison Brie more screen time.
You know there are clips on the internets of her showing her naked boobs, right?
I did not know this. Considering I'm at work, I'll take a PM, which I will then open on my phone.

 
PlasmaDogPlasma said:
Officer Pete Malloy said:
PlasmaDogPlasma said:
How come we're still following Betty but not Trudy?
Trudy wasn't married to the main character. :shrug:
Not a good enough reason to not give Allison Brie more screen time.
You know there are clips on the internets of her showing her naked boobs, right?
I did not know this. Considering I'm at work, I'll take a PM, which I will then open on my phone.
Just kidding.

 
Another decent-but-not-up-to-previously-high-standards episode.

I agree with Premier that it was disjointed. Total soap opera format.

 
A Psychiatrist Analyzes Mad Men’s Michael Ginsberg
“I think a therapist would have a field day with someone like Michael Ginsberg,” actor Ben Feldman told Vulture yesterday, following his nipple-mutilation episode of Mad Men. To which we said: challenge accepted! Psychiatrist Dr. Paul Puri has analyzed Mad Men characters for Vulture before (see here, here, and here), though prior to Sunday night, none of them had been literally wheeled out of the SC&P office in a gurney. Ginsberg’s total psychotic break can be read as a metaphor for the breakdown of American society in 1969, but how does it read from a medical perspective? We spoke with Dr. Puri about schizophrenia, castration metaphors, and Ginsberg’s likely prognosis (which is actually not so bad).
Lets begin at the beginning: Ginsberg had a rough start in life. He was born in a concentration camp.
Everybody says he was born in a concentration camp because of that speech in “Far and Away.” What’s interesting to me about that is he doesn’t actually say he was born in a concentration camp; he says he was told he was born in a concentration camp. So regardless of whether it’s true, he doesn’t necessarily identify with that.
What does he identify with, then?
He feels cut off from things, but he identifies to a degree, it seems, as a Jew post-Holocaust, and he identifies as someone creative who’s never quite taken seriously. Which fits with his crying out “What am I, Cassandra?” because Cassandra was someone who had the power of prophecy but was never really taken seriously.
How do we get from there to nipple mutilation?
I think you can approach this question two different ways. Through the contemporary psychiatric lens, which is very biology-based, the show has really dropped hints all along that Ginsberg is an odd guy and possibly on the schizophrenia spectrum. He says things that can be a little weird. He has difficulty filtering himself, which is characteristic of schizophrenia; there was a presentation that he had to give once where he just couldn’t hold back from giving the negative side of things. Some schizophrenics misinterpret things as being reality that aren’t reality, and then they end up with thoughts coming in that are paranoia or auditory hallucinations, as if thoughts are disconnected and coming in as voices. There’s mis-wiring of the brain, so that things are coming in as sensory signals that are not necessarily, and so they get sort of distorted perception of reality.
Why did the computer trigger Ginsbergs break from reality?
He had this outlet that gave him permission to be creative and kept him functional. And then the computer came in, and it took away his creative space. It took away his place to do that. For somebody who might already be a little bit fragile, that might be something that pushes them over the edge.
But then he also talks about the computer’s background humming. Now, with people that have a meth addiction, which can very much look like schizophrenia at times, what’s interesting is that a white noise generator, or even a washing machine, can actually bring on hallucinations in some people. They hear things within that. And so I thought it was very interesting that it’s really the hum that pushes things over the edge in this most recent episode. He even tries to use tissues for ear plugs, and he talks about how the computer is whispering. I’m making a leap here, because we don’t quite have the evidence to support this, but it’s almost as if he’s hearing messages in the humming sound.
Schizophrenia is a likely diagnosis, then.
This seems like a first-break psychosis episode for somebody who might have schizophrenia, it’s a little early to tell, because people can have a single psychotic episode and then it goes away mysteriously. But schizophrenia is probably a hundred different diseases. It’s all these different little genetic and other abnormalities in different places in the brain that produce similar symptoms, but not exactly the same. They can be auditory hallucinations, or bizarre thoughts, or bizarre beliefs, they can be paranoia, magical thinking, all these different kinds of things. So in that context, it would seem like Ginsberg had a first psychotic episode, or a psychotic break. Back then, they probably would have said he had a nervous breakdown.
Related Stories Mad Men’s Ben Feldman On Ginsberg’s Surprising Moment Ginsberg Was Always Struggling (He’s a Martian After All)
You said there was another way to approach the question.
Well, if we were looking at the psychoanalytic side, I would bring up the idea of the computer being “the monolith,” which was the title of last week’s episode, and the fact that Ginsberg was adopted by this guy Morris out of an orphanage, so he’s never had a mother figure. So we have this phallic image of the monolith — and I don’t necessarily buy into this, but this may be an approach they’re using in the creation of the show — and Ginsberg is worried that the computer is trying to "erase him." It's a metaphorical castration, if you will. But as someone who doesn't identify with all the men around him, he doesn't know how to respond as a man. In his world, maybe being a man, or being homosexual, is equated to him as being feminine. He tries unsuccessfully to "be a man" in the traditional way by "procreating" with Peggy. When that doesn't work, his psychotic thinking involves becoming a man by cutting out the feminine, his own breast. Or at least a nipple, in this case. He gives it to Peggy to show how he's taken back his manhood.
That got very Freudian very fast.
I’m just making stuff up, but that’s how you do this! The common critique of Freud is that it’s not evidence-based, it’s one guy sitting around making up an entire theoretical system without any real other external evidence or validation behind it. But it’s one way to view the world, and I don’t necessarily buy it, but I suspect that the writers of Mad Men have some resonance with it, so it’s worth discussing.
You mentioned the possibility that Ginsberg has some repressed homosexual tendencies.
Right. The typical model of repressed or latent homosexuality means that being homosexual is unacceptable, therefore it gets projected out and seen in others. In this case, he sees Lou and Jim Cutler having their secret conversation, and inferrs it must mean they're gay. And then attributes it all to the computer, making them "do unnatural things." This again reflects the stress of the phallic object reminding him of what's unacceptable to him, and putting it onto others. Really, a computer is just a computer. For Ginsberg, it's something that's trying to force him to be homosexual. And he'd rather cut off his own nipple than allow himself to be homosexual. One might even go so far as to say the only way to be a man, for him, is by removing what's feminine about him, which is his own breast. Now we're really reaching.
Well, cutting off a nipple isnt a common symbolic gesture.
Absolutely not. But self-mutilation, unfortunately, happens in people with psychotic thinking, and it’s not always clear how it ended up happening. I’ve seen people who gouged out their own eyes, or mutilated their bodies in various other ways. An analyst would try and play with the idea of why he chose the nipple. All we know from Ginsberg is “it’s the valve,” so it “flows” now.
What kind of treatment is Ginsberg likely to receive in 1969 after they wheel him out of the office?
He would probably be put on some kind sedative, and he may also be given an antipsychotic, like Haldol. Psychoanalysis was still very big at the time, so he might end up in a mental hospital and get treated. That’s assuming that this isn’t full schizophrenia, and we don’t really have evidence that it is. Usually schizophrenia has a lead-in period, what we call a prodromal period — a drop-off where people get isolated and they withdraw and have trouble focusing and might even seem depressed — and then you have the bigger sort of break. Because he doesn’t have a whole lot of a prodrome, he’ll probably be much more responsive to treatment. So he may be back on the show. Who knows?
In terms of modern treatment, what kind of course would you recommend?
Based on this episode, I would try and get a better diagnostic interview, to ascertain how long this has been going on and if this is really a psychotic break. It’s likely that I or someone would give him a new antipsychotic medication. He’s what we call neuroleptic naive, meaning he’s never been on something. So we’d put him very low on a dose, and probably observe him in the hospital for a couple days to see how he responds to that. And then he would probably be discharged from the hospital and scheduled to see somebody at an outpatient basis. We would also want to make sure that there’s not any affective disorder like depression or bipolar disorder underlying this, because that would take a different treatment approach; you’d want to make sure the mood disorder is being treated too. In therapy, I would probably explore whether him getting back into some kind of a functional life — like, giving him some other creative work in a more structured environment that he can handle — would improve his functioning in the long term.
So is Peggy going to be permanently traumatized by the sight of gift boxes?
Yeah, probably. [Laughs.]
 
GordonGekko said:
Lou Avery is a sitcom character. He's a one dimensional heavy with zero redeeming qualities and defies suspension of belief ( no one who is that anti-people or that devoid of people skills makes it to where he is at the level of this firm in the Mad Men universe)

The past half season is really just soft ripping a lot of sitcom type situations. Wow, Peggy is now Don's boss! How will they handle that? Great for a sitcom, not so wonderful for an Emmy winning show set as a period drama.

As I've said before, Weiner and the rest are just cashing checks. The core characters have been written into the ground or into a wall, there is no where left to take most of them. The introduction of Lou and then Cutler as heavies just shows how lazy the show has really become. (It was a cheap way to make sure fandom of Sterling and Cooper didn't tweak out over going after Don and the 360 shift from Peggy's love interest boss who started out as a slimeball heavy into basically catnip to try to preserve the thin attempt to conceal that Peggy is now basically just a cheating whore. )

The worst crime is that with all this dead space to basic stuff filler into the show, they can't bring back Sal and close out his storyline? They brought back Freddy, they even gave the pipe smoking liberal turned Krishna a send off and then delved into Sterling's daughters problems. But not good enough to handle the Sal story?
you make some really solid points here

 
I liked last season a lot and this half season has been ok, but the perfect ending to the show was the end of S5. "Are you alone?"

 
I liked last season a lot and this half season has been ok, but the perfect ending to the show was the end of S5. "Are you alone?"
The show will end up being one of my top-3 all time, but I feel like they have about 6 or 7 too many episodes. It's starting to manifest this season.

It's a phenomenal series but when you compare it to something like Breaking Bad, which had almost no fat, those kind of flaws start to show.

 
GordonGekko said:
Lou Avery is a sitcom character. He's a one dimensional heavy with zero redeeming qualities and defies suspension of belief ( no one who is that anti-people or that devoid of people skills makes it to where he is at the level of this firm in the Mad Men universe)

The past half season is really just soft ripping a lot of sitcom type situations. Wow, Peggy is now Don's boss! How will they handle that? Great for a sitcom, not so wonderful for an Emmy winning show set as a period drama.

As I've said before, Weiner and the rest are just cashing checks. The core characters have been written into the ground or into a wall, there is no where left to take most of them. The introduction of Lou and then Cutler as heavies just shows how lazy the show has really become. (It was a cheap way to make sure fandom of Sterling and Cooper didn't tweak out over going after Don and the 360 shift from Peggy's love interest boss who started out as a slimeball heavy into basically catnip to try to preserve the thin attempt to conceal that Peggy is now basically just a cheating whore. )

The worst crime is that with all this dead space to basic stuff filler into the show, they can't bring back Sal and close out his storyline? They brought back Freddy, they even gave the pipe smoking liberal turned Krishna a send off and then delved into Sterling's daughters problems. But not good enough to handle the Sal story?
What's a "heavy"?

 
GordonGekko said:
Lou Avery is a sitcom character. He's a one dimensional heavy with zero redeeming qualities and defies suspension of belief ( no one who is that anti-people or that devoid of people skills makes it to where he is at the level of this firm in the Mad Men universe)

The past half season is really just soft ripping a lot of sitcom type situations. Wow, Peggy is now Don's boss! How will they handle that? Great for a sitcom, not so wonderful for an Emmy winning show set as a period drama.

As I've said before, Weiner and the rest are just cashing checks. The core characters have been written into the ground or into a wall, there is no where left to take most of them. The introduction of Lou and then Cutler as heavies just shows how lazy the show has really become. (It was a cheap way to make sure fandom of Sterling and Cooper didn't tweak out over going after Don and the 360 shift from Peggy's love interest boss who started out as a slimeball heavy into basically catnip to try to preserve the thin attempt to conceal that Peggy is now basically just a cheating whore. )

The worst crime is that with all this dead space to basic stuff filler into the show, they can't bring back Sal and close out his storyline? They brought back Freddy, they even gave the pipe smoking liberal turned Krishna a send off and then delved into Sterling's daughters problems. But not good enough to handle the Sal story?
What's a "heavy"?
Olde tyme term for "the bad guy".

 
I've been huge fans of MadMen since catching season 1 on DVD right
before season 2 was about to start but this season 7 has really
started to be the suck. It's not just that the characters have all
sort of okayed out their arc and usefulness, it's that a show which
was smart, funny and weirdly timeless has become a basic sitcom.

Long gone are the compelling story lines, the clever and well timed
1960's references and maybe most importantly the captivating
characters. They've taken our characters around the world and back
and can only think to do it all over again (sort of like Don's trips
to California). We had compelling storyline a of changing times now
we have a computer, we had Roger Sterling at his best and now we get
Ginsberg, we had Don Draper advertising extraordinaire now we get Lou

Lou Avery is the guy who took over Don's seat both literally and
figuratively in the corner office and has turned into Matthew Weiner's
little Oliver moment. They have run out of ideas, probably have a
huge payroll of actors to pay and instead of going all in they give us
a guy whose entire character and storyline is like a long clip out of
a bad sitcom.

Between the wacky side story of the comic book, the two guys getting
caught talking crap about it while he was taking a crap, his
anti-hippy rant on patriotism and of course his over the top
managerial style, the entire show is now just the Office set in 1969.
They have the crazy ensemble with all the quack-quack wacky
misunderstandings and intertwined story lines

Peggy is the lovable loser Pam

Ginsberg can be the crazy Dwight

The sarcastic guy with the beard can be Jim

He little nerdy guy in SC&P creative lounge can be that doofy guy Toby

Cooper can be the fat guy in accounting

Harry Crane can be the little Spanish guy who is so misunderstood

Joan can play Jan

Ted Chaough can be that dude David Wallace from corporate

Angela can be Jim Cutler

and of course...


Taking over for Michael Scott is Lou from 1968. He draws wacky
cartoons, makes his underlings do outrageous things, dresses like Mr.
Rogers and then catches them in hokey situations. His managerial
style is 1960's, his heart is 1950's, his getup is 1940's but he's all
man..oh and he might be a computer turned homo

 
Hamm has not exactly been enthused in the interviews about his baseball movie coming out tomorrow. He's certainly trying, saying all the right things, but it seems forced. I wonder if this was a move his agent pushed him into: the lead role in a big Disney film with a proven (albeit terribly cliched) formula of the underdog in sports.

Hamm seems the type of actor who would prefer to take a lesser role in a movie like "The Town" than the starring role in a film like this.

 
Hamm has not exactly been enthused in the interviews about his baseball movie coming out tomorrow. He's certainly trying, saying all the right things, but it seems forced. I wonder if this was a move his agent pushed him into: the lead role in a big Disney film with a proven (albeit terribly cliched) formula of the underdog in sports.

Hamm seems the type of actor who would prefer to take a lesser role in a movie like "The Town" than the starring role in a film like this.
He's great as Don Draper but don't think he has really resonated outside that small audience. Mad Men was really hot for a while yet Hamm never crossed over where the female audience was going crazy for him. Outside of Mad Men he does come off as a bit vanilla/stiff. Why he has been great playing the ##### character in a few roles. But as a romantic lead? Don't see the demand.

 
There wasn't any previous hint of Phillip Morris in any of the discussions by the partners about Don, were there?

 
What exactly was the goal of the tobacco meeting? Is his plan to get fired for insubordination with the greater picture perspective where he would woo them on his own at a new firm or was it a lass ditch effort to try to prove that he still had it to the partners at SC&P and to prove that they need him more than he needs them

 
What exactly was the goal of the tobacco meeting? Is his plan to get fired for insubordination with the greater picture perspective where he would woo them on his own at a new firm or was it a lass ditch effort to try to prove that he still had it to the partners at SC&P and to prove that they need him more than he needs them
None if it makes sense. It's as if Cutler and Lou were selling Phillip Morris on the fact that Don wasn't going to be there. Well then they'd have to fire him and he'd be free if his non compete etc. what was their play; hoping to break Don still? It wasn't working. And them saying to Don that this hasn't saved him, implies to me they want to straight fire him still. I don't get it.

 
Lou's cartoons are more Buzz Hickey than they are Michael Scott....

the only thing he's had his staff do differently is to do the tag lines up front

I can see where they've made Lou, Cutler and Cooper bad guys this year, w/o as much depth and that is a valid criticism. I'm not seeing the Michael Scott comparison, at all.

Another valid criticism is that a great character like Pete has hit a brick wall....

 
2. Megan Draper. (NOTE: Spoiler alert.) You can stage all the three-ways you like, Mad Men, but it wont cover up the fact that the Don-Megan plotline should have been wrapped up a year ago. I feel like Im watching a corpse twitch. The last time Don fought with Megan, they were basically splitting for good (again), and then last week they hung out together like nothing had happened. The ####? End this. If any character should have been carted off to the loony bin never to be seen again, it was Megan.*

(*Do not accuse me of TV hater sexism. I hated Bob Benson too, dammit)
Actually forgot about this. Why didn't they just end the marriage when Megan told him it was over?

 
What exactly was the goal of the tobacco meeting? Is his plan to get fired for insubordination with the greater picture perspective where he would woo them on his own at a new firm or was it a lass ditch effort to try to prove that he still had it to the partners at SC&P and to prove that they need him more than he needs them
None if it makes sense. It's as if Cutler and Lou were selling Phillip Morris on the fact that Don wasn't going to be there. Well then they'd have to fire him and he'd be free if his non compete etc. what was their play; hoping to break Don still? It wasn't working. And them saying to Don that this hasn't saved him, implies to me they want to straight fire him still. I don't get it.
Cutler promised to oust Don to PM, so had some kind of plan to do so. Don knew this, so realized his move was to sell himself to PM as the guy they need...therefore making himself more important than Cutler (or any other partner). We don't know what Cutler's plan was to oust Don, but now he doesn't need one...as Don violated a promise...which of course Don knew he was doing.

 
2. Megan Draper. (NOTE: Spoiler alert.) You can stage all the three-ways you like, Mad Men, but it wont cover up the fact that the Don-Megan plotline should have been wrapped up a year ago. I feel like Im watching a corpse twitch. The last time Don fought with Megan, they were basically splitting for good (again), and then last week they hung out together like nothing had happened. The ####? End this. If any character should have been carted off to the loony bin never to be seen again, it was Megan.*

(*Do not accuse me of TV hater sexism. I hated Bob Benson too, dammit)
Actually forgot about this. Why didn't they just end the marriage when Megan told him it was over?
Don pleaded with her and promised he'd change...they skipped over this, but I guess Megan was sold.

 
What exactly was the goal of the tobacco meeting? Is his plan to get fired for insubordination with the greater picture perspective where he would woo them on his own at a new firm or was it a lass ditch effort to try to prove that he still had it to the partners at SC&P and to prove that they need him more than he needs them
None if it makes sense. It's as if Cutler and Lou were selling Phillip Morris on the fact that Don wasn't going to be there. Well then they'd have to fire him and he'd be free if his non compete etc. what was their play; hoping to break Don still? It wasn't working. And them saying to Don that this hasn't saved him, implies to me they want to straight fire him still. I don't get it.
Cutler and Lou were going behind Sterling and Cooperman (and Pete for that matter) backs in the first place. When Ginsberg saw them speaking in the computer room that's what they were talking about (why there and not his office I have no clue).

Don's was gone no matter what and he knows it, this was a last ditch sell by him to force them to keep him.

This whole season has been disjointed though. Too many moving parts even if they involve Don in some way and too many coincidences.

 
What exactly was the goal of the tobacco meeting? Is his plan to get fired for insubordination with the greater picture perspective where he would woo them on his own at a new firm or was it a lass ditch effort to try to prove that he still had it to the partners at SC&P and to prove that they need him more than he needs them
None if it makes sense. It's as if Cutler and Lou were selling Phillip Morris on the fact that Don wasn't going to be there. Well then they'd have to fire him and he'd be free if his non compete etc. what was their play; hoping to break Don still? It wasn't working. And them saying to Don that this hasn't saved him, implies to me they want to straight fire him still. I don't get it.
Cutler promised to oust Don to PM, so had some kind of plan to do so. Don knew this, so realized his move was to sell himself to PM as the guy they need...therefore making himself more important than Cutler (or any other partner). We don't know what Cutler's plan was to oust Don, but now he doesn't need one...as Don violated a promise...which of course Don knew he was doing.
Yeah, but what was the plan before Don barged in? Like Leeroy said, if they ousted Don just to get the PM account, they would have had to buy him out, release him from the non compete, etc.

 
What exactly was the goal of the tobacco meeting? Is his plan to get fired for insubordination with the greater picture perspective where he would woo them on his own at a new firm or was it a lass ditch effort to try to prove that he still had it to the partners at SC&P and to prove that they need him more than he needs them
None if it makes sense. It's as if Cutler and Lou were selling Phillip Morris on the fact that Don wasn't going to be there. Well then they'd have to fire him and he'd be free if his non compete etc. what was their play; hoping to break Don still? It wasn't working. And them saying to Don that this hasn't saved him, implies to me they want to straight fire him still. I don't get it.
Cutler promised to oust Don to PM, so had some kind of plan to do so. Don knew this, so realized his move was to sell himself to PM as the guy they need...therefore making himself more important than Cutler (or any other partner). We don't know what Cutler's plan was to oust Don, but now he doesn't need one...as Don violated a promise...which of course Don knew he was doing.
Yeah, but what was the plan before Don barged in? Like Leeroy said, if they ousted Don just to get the PM account, they would have had to buy him out, release him from the non compete, etc.
Like I said...we don't know. Loose end for sure. Lou certainly seemed to be pushing him to quit.

 
What exactly was the goal of the tobacco meeting? Is his plan to get fired for insubordination with the greater picture perspective where he would woo them on his own at a new firm or was it a lass ditch effort to try to prove that he still had it to the partners at SC&P and to prove that they need him more than he needs them
None if it makes sense. It's as if Cutler and Lou were selling Phillip Morris on the fact that Don wasn't going to be there. Well then they'd have to fire him and he'd be free if his non compete etc. what was their play; hoping to break Don still? It wasn't working. And them saying to Don that this hasn't saved him, implies to me they want to straight fire him still. I don't get it.
Cutler promised to oust Don to PM, so had some kind of plan to do so. Don knew this, so realized his move was to sell himself to PM as the guy they need...therefore making himself more important than Cutler (or any other partner). We don't know what Cutler's plan was to oust Don, but now he doesn't need one...as Don violated a promise...which of course Don knew he was doing.
Yeah, but what was the plan before Don barged in? Like Leeroy said, if they ousted Don just to get the PM account, they would have had to buy him out, release him from the non compete, etc.
If they go to the partners and say 'if we get rid of Don, we'll get PM" it would be hard for anybody to say no to that...

 
gump said:
Leeroy Jenkins said:
Righetti said:
What exactly was the goal of the tobacco meeting? Is his plan to get fired for insubordination with the greater picture perspective where he would woo them on his own at a new firm or was it a lass ditch effort to try to prove that he still had it to the partners at SC&P and to prove that they need him more than he needs them
None if it makes sense. It's as if Cutler and Lou were selling Phillip Morris on the fact that Don wasn't going to be there. Well then they'd have to fire him and he'd be free if his non compete etc. what was their play; hoping to break Don still? It wasn't working. And them saying to Don that this hasn't saved him, implies to me they want to straight fire him still. I don't get it.
Cutler promised to oust Don to PM, so had some kind of plan to do so. Don knew this, so realized his move was to sell himself to PM as the guy they need...therefore making himself more important than Cutler (or any other partner). We don't know what Cutler's plan was to oust Don, but now he doesn't need one...as Don violated a promise...which of course Don knew he was doing.
Pretty sure he promised not to meet clients alone and when he met clients to not go off script. He didn't violate the letter of either term as there were others at the meeting and he had no script.

 
Agree with most of the comments about the inexplicable story arcs. It's like the the writing team has no overarching plan for the show. Just people writing episodic tales of the different relationships. Again, soap opera format.

 

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