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Footballguy
Seems like that's about the right shelf life for quality tv shows.
shut it down
Footballguy
Yep, usually 6 or 7. I looked it up because if it was 7, last night would've been the series midpoint.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Pretty sure Sepinwall reads this thread before he hangs his review so he can parrot everything you say.
McJose
Footballguy
He should. I could teach him a thing or two about brevity.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
At least I know you're reading his recaps now. I knew you'd come around!
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Seriously, is the length of his recaps really a big deal? Where's the fire? Personally, I appreciate his detailed summaries.
McJose
Footballguy
It's not ground-breaking or anything. He sees the same show we do...but he gets paid to write about it.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Not everyone is as smart as you. Every week, he points out at least one thing I missed.This week it was this:Seriously, is the length of his recaps really a big deal? Where's the fire? Personally, I appreciate his detailed summaries.
It's not ground-breaking or anything. He sees the same show we do...but he gets paid to write about it.
-What exactly does Stephanie know about our Don, anyway? She calls up his office, and even though it's his private line, I'm sure Blankenship answered with some variation of "Don Draper's line." It seemed in the California episode that Stephanie and her mother knew Don as Anna's friend ****, yet she didn't bother to ask here why **** is using her dead uncle's name.
McJose
Footballguy
I never claimed to be smart. I just enjoy watching the show. It's not Camus or Joyce...it's a great TV show.If they make a reference every few episodes that I don't get I look it up.
And I have a feeling that Anna let Stephanie in on the secret.
No, not a problem.....just thought it was a good line from McJoseI thoroughly enjoy the writeups....but they are long.
shut it down
Footballguy
The AV Club recap pointed out that the 7th episode of each season "breaks format" and is somewhat unorthodox in nature. DID YOU REALIZE THAT, TANNER?
McJose
Footballguy
The what club?
Fiddles
Footballguy
McJose
Footballguy
3000 words? Good lord.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
No, I don't agree. While your boss doesn't owe you thanks, thanks goes really far in creating dedicated employees. People who makes six figures still want to be appreciated. I'm not saying that "thank yous" are required - I'm saying that they make your employees a lot happier.I almost came out of my seat when Don delivered that line. I've been telling my wife this for years. Not to sound like Gordon G but everytime my wife comes home and complains about some minor slight at her job I say "Are you still getting a paycheck? Are they asking you do to something illegal? Are they asking you to do something that isn't safe? No? Then let it go." Of course I'm a little more diplomatic about it. Sadly I know too many people...men and women that don't understand that your boss owes you nothing but a paycheck.I literally cannot believe how good that scene was between Draper and Peggy. You could feel the chill go down her body when he told her she should be thanking him and Jesus every morning.
"you never say thank you"
"that's what the money is for"
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
It just started again. I usually DVR the episodes then delete them. I'm keeping this one. 
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
No, I don't agree. While your boss doesn't owe you thanks, thanks goes really far in creating dedicated employees. People who makes six figures still want to be appreciated. I'm not saying that "thank yous" are required - I'm saying that they make your employees a lot happier.I almost came out of my seat when Don delivered that line. I've been telling my wife this for years. Not to sound like Gordon G but everytime my wife comes home and complains about some minor slight at her job I say "Are you still getting a paycheck? Are they asking you do to something illegal? Are they asking you to do something that isn't safe? No? Then let it go." Of course I'm a little more diplomatic about it. Sadly I know too many people...men and women that don't understand that your boss owes you nothing but a paycheck.I literally cannot believe how good that scene was between Draper and Peggy. You could feel the chill go down her body when he told her she should be thanking him and Jesus every morning.
"you never say thank you"
"that's what the money is for"
A "good work today" and a pat on the back goes a LONG way with me.
McJose
Footballguy
Sorry but your salary should make you happy. Not your boss. I understand that everybody likes to be told they're doing something right but they should perform the same way even without the pat on the head.My boss does this all the time. I know he's being sincere and it is nice but I would do the same job AND be happy without it.No, I don't agree. While your boss doesn't owe you thanks, thanks goes really far in creating dedicated employees. People who makes six figures still want to be appreciated. I'm not saying that "thank yous" are required - I'm saying that they make your employees a lot happier.I almost came out of my seat when Don delivered that line. I've been telling my wife this for years. Not to sound like Gordon G but everytime my wife comes home and complains about some minor slight at her job I say "Are you still getting a paycheck? Are they asking you do to something illegal? Are they asking you to do something that isn't safe? No? Then let it go." Of course I'm a little more diplomatic about it. Sadly I know too many people...men and women that don't understand that your boss owes you nothing but a paycheck.I literally cannot believe how good that scene was between Draper and Peggy. You could feel the chill go down her body when he told her she should be thanking him and Jesus every morning.
"you never say thank you"
"that's what the money is for"
I seriously think the workplace was "feminized" back in the 60s-80s. Go to work, do your job, earn your salary, go home.
None_More_Black
Footballguy
People want promotions and often complain when their ideas are "stolen" by their bosses. Without getting recognition, it is difficult to separate yourself from your competition for promotions. Peggy is a interesting character because you don't know if she is being overly sensitive or is very ambitious. She is portrayed as being a little bit of both. It was an interesting episode because Don gives her plenty of validation by telling her she is "cute as hell" as well as asking why she was "####ting" on his Ali photo idea. I think the writers wanted to highlight Peggy's hidden strength by making Don look somewhat petty and weak after getting drunk to the point of nausea and losing the fight to Duck. (as well as putting off his call and needing a drink before it) Don is a character who seems to value respect and recognition more then money. (see Cleo seen) It's why the powerful "money" exchange is really Don trying to put up a compelling smokescreen. He knows image and recognition are the secret to his success. (scene where Roger is some what pissed Don slips his brag book in with the fur coat he has sold him) Really good character development on this show, and they cover a lot of ground in an hour.Sorry but your salary should make you happy. Not your boss. I understand that everybody likes to be told they're doing something right but they should perform the same way even without the pat on the head.My boss does this all the time. I know he's being sincere and it is nice but I would do the same job AND be happy without it.No, I don't agree. While your boss doesn't owe you thanks, thanks goes really far in creating dedicated employees. People who makes six figures still want to be appreciated. I'm not saying that "thank yous" are required - I'm saying that they make your employees a lot happier.I almost came out of my seat when Don delivered that line. I've been telling my wife this for years. Not to sound like Gordon G but everytime my wife comes home and complains about some minor slight at her job I say "Are you still getting a paycheck? Are they asking you do to something illegal? Are they asking you to do something that isn't safe? No? Then let it go." Of course I'm a little more diplomatic about it. Sadly I know too many people...men and women that don't understand that your boss owes you nothing but a paycheck.I literally cannot believe how good that scene was between Draper and Peggy. You could feel the chill go down her body when he told her she should be thanking him and Jesus every morning.
"you never say thank you"
"that's what the money is for"
I seriously think the workplace was "feminized" back in the 60s-80s. Go to work, do your job, earn your salary, go home.
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None_More_Black
Footballguy
Disagree. Don is on a losing streak. He wife has left him and the younger women he has tried to seduce have rejected him, seeing him as an anachronism. There was a seen in the last episode where Don is in his suit and fedora and he looks out of place amongst the "kids" in their khakis and polo shirts. Don is finding out he can't even control his own protege. That is the drama that has been set up in my opinion.
Sam Quentin
Footballguy
Gekko is knockin' it out of the park in this thread.
Did somebody give Sepinwall the keys?
Did somebody give Sepinwall the keys?
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
What does praise have to do with femininity? You're saying that a paycheck should be enough. Well, the simple fact is that it's not. Perhaps for you, the money is all you need. That is not the case with most people. People love to be praised. It doesn't cost anything, and it doesn't take a lot of effort. The morale of employees that receive praise is higher than with people that are not praised. It's simply smart business to make your employees feel good about their work.McJose said:Sorry but your salary should make you happy. Not your boss. I understand that everybody likes to be told they're doing something right but they should perform the same way even without the pat on the head.My boss does this all the time. I know he's being sincere and it is nice but I would do the same job AND be happy without it.jdoggydogg said:No, I don't agree. While your boss doesn't owe you thanks, thanks goes really far in creating dedicated employees. People who makes six figures still want to be appreciated. I'm not saying that "thank yous" are required - I'm saying that they make your employees a lot happier.McJose said:I almost came out of my seat when Don delivered that line. I've been telling my wife this for years. Not to sound like Gordon G but everytime my wife comes home and complains about some minor slight at her job I say "Are you still getting a paycheck? Are they asking you do to something illegal? Are they asking you to do something that isn't safe? No? Then let it go." Of course I'm a little more diplomatic about it. Sadly I know too many people...men and women that don't understand that your boss owes you nothing but a paycheck.Premier said:I literally cannot believe how good that scene was between Draper and Peggy. You could feel the chill go down her body when he told her she should be thanking him and Jesus every morning.
"you never say thank you"
"that's what the money is for"
I seriously think the workplace was "feminized" back in the 60s-80s. Go to work, do your job, earn your salary, go home.
scoobygang
Footballguy
We should also understand a simple fact about Peggy's paycheck. It's less than it should be. She made less than any other copywriter when she was given her position. We're a good decade away from any public discussion of pay equity for women, so even though Peggy appears to be doing the work of a senior copywriter, it's very unlikely that's she being paid that way.
That's a slight that Peggy has absolutely no recourse to address (unless she bites on Duck's ridiculous fantasy). So it's not surprising that she craves recognition. It's how she ended up with Duck in the first place. Don's comment is essentially a way of saying that Peggy should be grateful for whatever scraps the system gives her. In 1965, he's probably right. That doesn't make the system any less disagreeable.
That's a slight that Peggy has absolutely no recourse to address (unless she bites on Duck's ridiculous fantasy). So it's not surprising that she craves recognition. It's how she ended up with Duck in the first place. Don's comment is essentially a way of saying that Peggy should be grateful for whatever scraps the system gives her. In 1965, he's probably right. That doesn't make the system any less disagreeable.
McJose
Footballguy
Women need constant or near-constant reassurance that they are loved/attractive/appreciated etc. Men don't...or at least the ones I know don't. I couldn't imagine going to my boss and complaining that he didn't give me enough credit for something. If I know I did a good job that would be enough.What does praise have to do with femininity? You're saying that a paycheck should be enough. Well, the simple fact is that it's not. Perhaps for you, the money is all you need. That is not the case with most people. People love to be praised. It doesn't cost anything, and it doesn't take a lot of effort. The morale of employees that receive praise is higher than with people that are not praised. It's simply smart business to make your employees feel good about their work.McJose said:Sorry but your salary should make you happy. Not your boss. I understand that everybody likes to be told they're doing something right but they should perform the same way even without the pat on the head.My boss does this all the time. I know he's being sincere and it is nice but I would do the same job AND be happy without it.jdoggydogg said:No, I don't agree. While your boss doesn't owe you thanks, thanks goes really far in creating dedicated employees. People who makes six figures still want to be appreciated. I'm not saying that "thank yous" are required - I'm saying that they make your employees a lot happier.McJose said:I almost came out of my seat when Don delivered that line. I've been telling my wife this for years. Not to sound like Gordon G but everytime my wife comes home and complains about some minor slight at her job I say "Are you still getting a paycheck? Are they asking you do to something illegal? Are they asking you to do something that isn't safe? No? Then let it go." Of course I'm a little more diplomatic about it. Sadly I know too many people...men and women that don't understand that your boss owes you nothing but a paycheck.Premier said:I literally cannot believe how good that scene was between Draper and Peggy. You could feel the chill go down her body when he told her she should be thanking him and Jesus every morning.
"you never say thank you"
"that's what the money is for"
I seriously think the workplace was "feminized" back in the 60s-80s. Go to work, do your job, earn your salary, go home.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
He owes me half his salary.Google Sepinwall and it will soon direct you to this thread
McJose
Footballguy
Should I ask the mods to delete the post where I called him a hack?Google Sepinwall and it will soon direct you to this thread
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Should I ask the mods to delete the post where I called him a hack?Google Sepinwall and it will soon direct you to this thread
He gets off on jealous-message-board-guy.
McJose
Footballguy
Hell I am jealous. Get paid to watch TV and write about it? Hello, exactly.Should I ask the mods to delete the post where I called him a hack?Google Sepinwall and it will soon direct you to this thread
He gets off on jealous-message-board-guy.
McJose
Footballguy
Maybe to fit in or give the impression that he's fitting in/see more American.
shut it down
Footballguy
1965: The year theAnother quality episode. Loved hearing Don's inner thoughts....Also good to know Bethany Van Nuys is not afraid of happiness in a cab
was invented.Maybe Lane actually likes baseball? Plenty of Yanks like soccer, after all.
McJose
Footballguy
Could be. He could have picked a better team though. The Mets were terrible up until 1969.1965: The year theAnother quality episode. Loved hearing Don's inner thoughts....Also good to know Bethany Van Nuys is not afraid of happiness in a cab
Major
Footballguy
1965: The year theAnother quality episode. Loved hearing Don's inner thoughts....Also good to know Bethany Van Nuys is not afraid of happiness in a cab
big fan of good emoticon schtick
shut it down
Footballguy
I'm a master circumventer.1965: The year theAnother quality episode. Loved hearing Don's inner thoughts....Also good to know Bethany Van Nuys is not afraid of happiness in a cab
shut it down
Footballguy
Maybe he loves the underdog?Could be. He could have picked a better team though. The Mets were terrible up until 1969.1965: The year theAnother quality episode. Loved hearing Don's inner thoughts....Also good to know Bethany Van Nuys is not afraid of happiness in a cab
badmojo1006
Footballguy
Are we looking at a Betty/Don reunion?
A good episode, just a little letdown after last weeks fantastic one
A good episode, just a little letdown after last weeks fantastic one
McJose
Footballguy
Or maybe one of the other guys in the office stuck it on his wall figuring he probably wouldn't know how bad they suck.Maybe he loves the underdog?Could be. He could have picked a better team though. The Mets were terrible up until 1969.1965: The year theAnother quality episode. Loved hearing Don's inner thoughts....Also good to know Bethany Van Nuys is not afraid of happiness in a cab
You see, this is why people shouldn't post before Sepinwall.
prefontaine
Footballguy
Thought the finger tap on the nose for wiseguys was from the movie The Sting which didn't come out til 1973. Was this derivative and I didn't know it or was this a slip up by the writers?
