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That scene with Henry and Betty in the restaurant was weird. Why did Henry go up and say hello to Don in the first place? That seemed pretty awkward and out of place to me. If anyone would have approached Don it would have been Betty, not Henry. Henry approaching him was out of character.That was one of those scenes where I thought the writing was forced, there were a couple of scenes like that.
It totally makes sense to me. Henry is an honorable man. For them to sneak to their table as if they are hiding from Don would be cowardly. By saying hello to Don, Henry retains dignity and he was trying to let Don know that Betty is happy and secure without Don.
 
He also loves to show Don he has power in the relationship whenever he can even though he's controlled by Betty (through her desire to stay in the house) and Don (because he doesn't care about Henry). Both the lawn mowing with Don's stuff on the curb and going up to him in the restaurant to try to make him feel uncomfortable. It only really works when he can restrict Don's access to his kids which totally backfired on Henry with Don showing up at the party and Betty coming to terms with it.
But Henry seemed pleased that Betty accepted Don at the party.This is how I see things:Henry greets Don at the restaurant because it's the proper/normal thing to do.After the fight with Betty and due to jealousy about her lingering feelings toward Don, he is rude to Don when Don picks up his stuff.After Betty accepts Don at the party, Henry's cool again. (For now.)
 
Even the mowing the lawn thing didn't really resonate with me even though I kind of understand what they were trying to say. If Henry doesn't like mowing another man's lawn than he shouldn't be reaping the benefits of living in his house. Seems to me like mowing the lawn is just a small concession that any tenant may have to make.
Somebody didn't bother reading Sepinwall's recap. :hey:
So Peggy's power move backfires to an extent, and Henry's own move with the lawnmower and the boxes - a sweaty, obvious piece of theater designed to make it clear to Don whose home this is now, regardless of whose name is on the deed - doesn't quite work out, because Faye convinces Don to go the party, and because Francine's words have convinced Betty to stop hating Don so much.
 
I think you're missing the mark with your thoughts on this episode. Henry approaching Don was completely in character. I'm sure Betty would have not gone up to him. The mowing the lawn and ignoring Don was also in character.
The most likely scenario in the restaurant is that they both ignore Don and go and take their seat at their table. Henry approaching Don seemed really weird to me in that case but they wrote it in because it would be good theatre.
:thumbup: Henry works for politicians. Politicians always work a room.
 
Even the mowing the lawn thing didn't really resonate with me even though I kind of understand what they were trying to say. If Henry doesn't like mowing another man's lawn than he shouldn't be reaping the benefits of living in his house. Seems to me like mowing the lawn is just a small concession that any tenant may have to make.
Somebody didn't bother reading Sepinwall's recap. :goodposting:
So Peggy's power move backfires to an extent, and Henry's own move with the lawnmower and the boxes - a sweaty, obvious piece of theater designed to make it clear to Don whose home this is now, regardless of whose name is on the deed - doesn't quite work out, because Faye convinces Don to go the party, and because Francine's words have convinced Betty to stop hating Don so much.
Henry hardly looked happy mowing that lawn. He looked pissed off the entire time. If he really wanted to send a message to Don that this was his place, then he would have done it with a smile and acknowledged Don in the process.
 
Even the mowing the lawn thing didn't really resonate with me even though I kind of understand what they were trying to say. If Henry doesn't like mowing another man's lawn than he shouldn't be reaping the benefits of living in his house. Seems to me like mowing the lawn is just a small concession that any tenant may have to make.
Somebody didn't bother reading Sepinwall's recap. :goodposting:
So Peggy's power move backfires to an extent, and Henry's own move with the lawnmower and the boxes - a sweaty, obvious piece of theater designed to make it clear to Don whose home this is now, regardless of whose name is on the deed - doesn't quite work out, because Faye convinces Don to go the party, and because Francine's words have convinced Betty to stop hating Don so much.
Henry hardly looked happy mowing that lawn. He looked pissed off the entire time. If he really wanted to send a message to Don that this was his place, then he would have done it with a smile and acknowledged Don in the process.
I'm not following. Who smiles while mowing their lawn? Should he have poured Don a glass of iced tea also?
 
Loved hearing Don's inner thoughts...
For some reason I hated this. Didn't seem consistent with the character.
Interesting. The reason it worked for me: Don is normally emotionally absent - both through his alcoholism and his massive wall he's erected to keep people out of his life. So it seems like he's becoming a bit more self-aware, and revealing that inner dialogue seemed to make sense.
honestly this would have been a great way to end the entire series (not that I want to see an end)Don struggling with his booze and coming to grips with a lot of the mistakes he's madeDon being confronted with Betty or better yet Betty with DonPeggy taking charge but still made to feel terribleJoan's husband en route to Vietnamit would have left a lot un-said but it just had that series finale feeling to me kind of a wrap-up with Don holding Gene up as the final image
 
Loved hearing Don's inner thoughts...
For some reason I hated this. Didn't seem consistent with the character.
Interesting. The reason it worked for me: Don is normally emotionally absent - both through his alcoholism and his massive wall he's erected to keep people out of his life. So it seems like he's becoming a bit more self-aware, and revealing that inner dialogue seemed to make sense.
honestly this would have been a great way to end the entire series (not that I want to see an end)Don struggling with his booze and coming to grips with a lot of the mistakes he's madeDon being confronted with Betty or better yet Betty with DonPeggy taking charge but still made to feel terribleJoan's husband en route to Vietnamit would have left a lot un-said but it just had that series finale feeling to me kind of a wrap-up with Don holding Gene up as the final image
Agreed. Although the problem is that I want to watch 10,000 more episodes :unsure:
 
I'm not following. Who smiles while mowing their lawn? Should he have poured Don a glass of iced tea also?
All I'm saying is if I'm Don and I come up on Henry looking all pissy mowing the lawn, like he did. I'm not thinking to myself, "wow I wish that was me instead of him, he's got the life I want." Instead Im thinking that something is not right here, this guy is visibily unhappy, reality must be setting in and he's finding out how crazy my ex really is.If Henry really wanted to act like he was content and taking over, he didn't do a good job of conveying that message in that scene. He should have continued to be cordial Henry, but he didn't even look Don's way. Don was probably like "what the hell is wrong with this guy?"
 
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I'm not following. Who smiles while mowing their lawn? Should he have poured Don a glass of iced tea also?
All I'm saying is if I'm Don and I come up on Henry looking all pissy mowing the lawn, like he did. I'm not thinking to myself, "wow I wish that was me instead of him, he's got the life I want." Instead Im thinking that something is not right here, this guy is visibily unhappy, reality must be setting in and he's finding out how crazy my ex really is.

If Henry really wanted to act like he was content and taking over, he didn't do a good job of conveying that message in that scene. He should have continued to be cordial Henry, but he didn't even look Don's way. Don was probably like "what the hell is wrong with this guy?"
I think I see the flaw in your reasoning.
 
I'm not following. Who smiles while mowing their lawn? Should he have poured Don a glass of iced tea also?
All I'm saying is if I'm Don and I come up on Henry looking all pissy mowing the lawn, like he did. I'm not thinking to myself, "wow I wish that was me instead of him, he's got the life I want." Instead Im thinking that something is not right here, this guy is visibily unhappy, reality must be setting in and he's finding out how crazy my ex really is.

If Henry really wanted to act like he was content and taking over, he didn't do a good job of conveying that message in that scene. He should have continued to be cordial Henry, but he didn't even look Don's way. Don was probably like "what the hell is wrong with this guy?"
I think I see the flaw in your reasoning.
You can't look pissy without looking at someone?
 
Juxtatarot said:
Christo said:
I'm not following. Who smiles while mowing their lawn? Should he have poured Don a glass of iced tea also?
All I'm saying is if I'm Don and I come up on Henry looking all pissy mowing the lawn, like he did. I'm not thinking to myself, "wow I wish that was me instead of him, he's got the life I want." Instead Im thinking that something is not right here, this guy is visibily unhappy, reality must be setting in and he's finding out how crazy my ex really is.

If Henry really wanted to act like he was content and taking over, he didn't do a good job of conveying that message in that scene. He should have continued to be cordial Henry, but he didn't even look Don's way. Don was probably like "what the hell is wrong with this guy?"
I think I see the flaw in your reasoning.
You can't look pissy without looking at someone?
Your first paragraph hinged on Don seeing the pissy look.
 
I think it was very well written. The "change" in Don's character reflected the radical changes in this country in the 60s. And so did the power shift between Joan and Peggy.
I don't disagree with you about the Joan Peggy scene. I actually think that was one of the stronger parts of the show, that was indeed well written. All I stated is that I becoming a bit annoyed with Joan's character right now.
I am wondering if Joan is seeing her possible future in Miss Blankenship. She has the brains and the will to change. Will she be more like Peggy?
I find this storyline really interesting, because basically, her profession (being the leader of "the girls") is slowly becoming phased out. You've now got two strong women with real power/skills around the office - Peggy and the consultant that Don has his eye on (I forget her name). Someone like Joan really won't have a place in a short time, and she's realizing it. The question will be, "what does she do?" Go quietly to a desk, or use her brains and carve herself out a real role (maybe at someone else's expense... Harry?)
 
There's this running idea throughout the hour of people who appear to have everything but actually have nothing. Obviously, Betty sees Don as a winner when we know (and Francine can tell) how utterly lost he's been since the divorce. This is an episode in which Don slowly begins to reclaim his mojo, telling himself, "I want to wake up. I don't want to be that man." He starts the episode unable to swim a lap without coughing, and ends it outracing the younger guy next to him for half a lap, and in between has a pair of mostly successful dates with both Bethany and Dr. Faye. And yet the only time he seems truly happy (and that includes what Bethany does in the back of the cab) is when he's holding Gene in his arms at the birthday party (and after Betty has happily brought the boy to his daddy without the usual drama that comes between them).
I could be wrong, but I think the kid Don beats in the pool is Joe, the freelancer that Peggy fired. And as Peggy said to him, Don doesn't even know who you are - it looks like Joe glares at Don as he celebrates the victory in the pool, while Don looks bewilderedly at Joe trying to place who he is. Betty's friend Francine tells her in the kitchen to be careful when Don comes to the party, because Don has nothing to lose, and you have everything. "Don has nothing to lose" could mean that she thinks he has nothing, or it could mean that he has nothing to lose by upsetting his ex-wife and her new husband because he's so confident and doesn't care. And the similarly ambiguous "you have everything" could mean that you do, in fact, currently have everything, or that you have everything to lose in a confrontation with Don - your new husband, your relationship with your ex, and your . Later, in the final scene of the episode, when Don is holding up Gene, Betty says, "we have everything" while starting off at a rejuvenated Don holding Gene up and smiling. And it begs the question, who is we, and do you mean you have everything, or that you have everything to lose? Or is this just Betty acting like everything's perfect again, like she did from the start of the show?
 
I could be wrong, but I think the kid Don beats in the pool is Joe, the freelancer that Peggy fired. And as Peggy said to him, Don doesn't even know who you are - it looks like Joe glares at Don as he celebrates the victory in the pool, while Don looks bewilderedly at Joe trying to place who he is.
I thought it was Joey as well at first glance. I caught it a second time and I'm not so sure. Have to look again when I get home.
 
I could be wrong, but I think the kid Don beats in the pool is Joe, the freelancer that Peggy fired. And as Peggy said to him, Don doesn't even know who you are - it looks like Joe glares at Don as he celebrates the victory in the pool, while Don looks bewilderedly at Joe trying to place who he is.
I thought it was Joey as well at first glance. I caught it a second time and I'm not so sure. Have to look again when I get home.
When you've known him as long as I do, it's just Joe.
 
There's this running idea throughout the hour of people who appear to have everything but actually have nothing. Obviously, Betty sees Don as a winner when we know (and Francine can tell) how utterly lost he's been since the divorce. This is an episode in which Don slowly begins to reclaim his mojo, telling himself, "I want to wake up. I don't want to be that man." He starts the episode unable to swim a lap without coughing, and ends it outracing the younger guy next to him for half a lap, and in between has a pair of mostly successful dates with both Bethany and Dr. Faye. And yet the only time he seems truly happy (and that includes what Bethany does in the back of the cab) is when he's holding Gene in his arms at the birthday party (and after Betty has happily brought the boy to his daddy without the usual drama that comes between them).
I could be wrong, but I think the kid Don beats in the pool is Joe, the freelancer that Peggy fired. And as Peggy said to him, Don doesn't even know who you are - it looks like Joe glares at Don as he celebrates the victory in the pool, while Don looks bewilderedly at Joe trying to place who he is. Betty's friend Francine tells her in the kitchen to be careful when Don comes to the party, because Don has nothing to lose, and you have everything. "Don has nothing to lose" could mean that she thinks he has nothing, or it could mean that he has nothing to lose by upsetting his ex-wife and her new husband because he's so confident and doesn't care. And the similarly ambiguous "you have everything" could mean that you do, in fact, currently have everything, or that you have everything to lose in a confrontation with Don - your new husband, your relationship with your ex, and your . Later, in the final scene of the episode, when Don is holding up Gene, Betty says, "we have everything" while starting off at a rejuvenated Don holding Gene up and smiling. And it begs the question, who is we, and do you mean you have everything, or that you have everything to lose? Or is this just Betty acting like everything's perfect again, like she did from the start of the show?
This is typical women speak. Like a guy who dumps a girl, she's upset and her friends tell her how much better she is off w/o him, he will come back begging, his life will go down the crapper, etc. when the fact is that women can't let their man go emotionally completely. She doesn't really want Don out of her life, if she did then she could sell the house and move but she's obviously interested in Don and what he's up to.
 
I could be wrong, but I think the kid Don beats in the pool is Joe, the freelancer that Peggy fired. And as Peggy said to him, Don doesn't even know who you are - it looks like Joe glares at Don as he celebrates the victory in the pool, while Don looks bewilderedly at Joe trying to place who he is.
I thought it was Joey as well at first glance. I caught it a second time and I'm not so sure. Have to look again when I get home.
When you've known him as long as I do, it's just Joe.
:whistle: Like how I call Pete Campbell "Humps".
 
There's this running idea throughout the hour of people who appear to have everything but actually have nothing. Obviously, Betty sees Don as a winner when we know (and Francine can tell) how utterly lost he's been since the divorce. This is an episode in which Don slowly begins to reclaim his mojo, telling himself, "I want to wake up. I don't want to be that man." He starts the episode unable to swim a lap without coughing, and ends it outracing the younger guy next to him for half a lap, and in between has a pair of mostly successful dates with both Bethany and Dr. Faye. And yet the only time he seems truly happy (and that includes what Bethany does in the back of the cab) is when he's holding Gene in his arms at the birthday party (and after Betty has happily brought the boy to his daddy without the usual drama that comes between them).
I could be wrong, but I think the kid Don beats in the pool is Joe, the freelancer that Peggy fired. And as Peggy said to him, Don doesn't even know who you are - it looks like Joe glares at Don as he celebrates the victory in the pool, while Don looks bewilderedly at Joe trying to place who he is. Betty's friend Francine tells her in the kitchen to be careful when Don comes to the party, because Don has nothing to lose, and you have everything. "Don has nothing to lose" could mean that she thinks he has nothing, or it could mean that he has nothing to lose by upsetting his ex-wife and her new husband because he's so confident and doesn't care. And the similarly ambiguous "you have everything" could mean that you do, in fact, currently have everything, or that you have everything to lose in a confrontation with Don - your new husband, your relationship with your ex, and your . Later, in the final scene of the episode, when Don is holding up Gene, Betty says, "we have everything" while starting off at a rejuvenated Don holding Gene up and smiling. And it begs the question, who is we, and do you mean you have everything, or that you have everything to lose? Or is this just Betty acting like everything's perfect again, like she did from the start of the show?
This is typical women speak. Like a guy who dumps a girl, she's upset and her friends tell her how much better she is off w/o him, he will come back begging, his life will go down the crapper, etc. when the fact is that women can't let their man go emotionally completely. She doesn't really want Don out of her life, if she did then she could sell the house and move but she's obviously interested in Don and what he's up to.
This is one show where your mysogenistic viewpoint is probably on target more than not. But in this case, I think the script is richer than that. She specifically said that Don has nothing to lose, and Betty has everything. There are so many ways to read that seemingly throwaway conversation in the kitchen, but the scene clearly had a purpose in the show, and Francine's hardly a main character, so it's worth looking more closely at, especially when Betty repeats the phrase "We have everything" as the closing words in the show. I love the writing in this show.
 
I could be wrong, but I think the kid Don beats in the pool is Joe, the freelancer that Peggy fired. And as Peggy said to him, Don doesn't even know who you are - it looks like Joe glares at Don as he celebrates the victory in the pool, while Don looks bewilderedly at Joe trying to place who he is.
I thought it was Joey as well at first glance. I caught it a second time and I'm not so sure. Have to look again when I get home.
When you've known him as long as I do, it's just Joe.
:whistle: Like how I call Pete Campbell "Humps".
Humps Campbell is one of my Deerfield chums.
 
I remember back a couple of seasons ago when Francine made a couple of comments that made it sound like she had the hots for Don.

 
I could be wrong, but I think the kid Don beats in the pool is Joe, the freelancer that Peggy fired. And as Peggy said to him, Don doesn't even know who you are - it looks like Joe glares at Don as he celebrates the victory in the pool, while Don looks bewilderedly at Joe trying to place who he is.
I thought it was Joey as well at first glance. I caught it a second time and I'm not so sure. Have to look again when I get home.
Went back and watched it just now. 99% sure that is NOT Joey in the pool at the end. Dude in the pool is beefier than Joey...shoulder-wise and such. Different sideburns too. I feel fairly gay for typing that.
 
I could be wrong, but I think the kid Don beats in the pool is Joe, the freelancer that Peggy fired. And as Peggy said to him, Don doesn't even know who you are - it looks like Joe glares at Don as he celebrates the victory in the pool, while Don looks bewilderedly at Joe trying to place who he is.
I thought it was Joey as well at first glance. I caught it a second time and I'm not so sure. Have to look again when I get home.
Went back and watched it just now. 99% sure that is NOT Joey in the pool at the end. Dude in the pool is beefier than Joey...shoulder-wise and such. Different sideburns too. I feel fairly gay for typing that.
I was thinking it was Joey before seeing his face, but it wasn't him.
 
I could be wrong, but I think the kid Don beats in the pool is Joe, the freelancer that Peggy fired. And as Peggy said to him, Don doesn't even know who you are - it looks like Joe glares at Don as he celebrates the victory in the pool, while Don looks bewilderedly at Joe trying to place who he is.
I thought it was Joey as well at first glance. I caught it a second time and I'm not so sure. Have to look again when I get home.
Went back and watched it just now. 99% sure that is NOT Joey in the pool at the end. Dude in the pool is beefier than Joey...shoulder-wise and such. Different sideburns too. I feel fairly gay for typing that.
I was thinking it was Joey before seeing his face, but it wasn't him.
My goofy 16 year old was watching it with me. He said "Maybe it was a stunt double that was supposed to be Joey." I said "Why would they need a stunt double?" He came back with "Maybe the guy who plays Joey can't swim."Don't I feel stupid.
 
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I could be wrong, but I think the kid Don beats in the pool is Joe, the freelancer that Peggy fired. And as Peggy said to him, Don doesn't even know who you are - it looks like Joe glares at Don as he celebrates the victory in the pool, while Don looks bewilderedly at Joe trying to place who he is.
I thought it was Joey as well at first glance. I caught it a second time and I'm not so sure. Have to look again when I get home.
Went back and watched it just now. 99% sure that is NOT Joey in the pool at the end. Dude in the pool is beefier than Joey...shoulder-wise and such. Different sideburns too. I feel fairly gay for typing that.
I was thinking it was Joey before seeing his face, but it wasn't him.
My goofy 16 year old was watching it with me. He said "Maybe it was a stunt double that was supposed to be Joey." I said "Why would they need a stunt double?" He came back with "Maybe the guy who plays Joey can't swim."Don't I feel stupid.
Not JoeyJoey can't afford NYAC
 
GordonGekko said:
Henry Francis is clearly a step down socially for her. He's basically an errand boy for a politician, he's older, he's also previously divorced
How is a guy from "old money" that is a potential future campaign chairman for a President a step down socially from a partner in a boutique ad firm? The impression I had from the series is that Henry is an advisor whose advice was taken. Think Karl Rove.
 
GordonGekko said:
Henry Francis is clearly a step down socially for her. He's basically an errand boy for a politician, he's older, he's also previously divorced
How is a guy from "old money" that is a potential future campaign chairman for a President a step down socially from a partner in a boutique ad firm? The impression I had from the series is that Henry is an advisor whose advice was taken. Think Karl Rove.
You'd think someone named Gordon Gekko would know that.
 
Damn, and I was just getting used to her.

"I'd have my secretary taker her, but she is dead" :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

 
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Don: "What's on this?"

Sally: "It's Mrs. Buttersworth"

Don: :wall: "Bring me the bottle"

Don: "That's rum!"

Sally: :wall: "I'm sorry, is that bad?"

Don: "No it's not bad"

:wall:

 
Wow, where to begin? This show continues to amaze.

“She died like she lived: Surrounded by the people she answered phones for.” --- Quite a tribute!

:wall: :wall: :wall: @ them wheeling Ida away in the background during the meeting with the Fillmore boys.

Abe gives Peggy something to think about with his civil rights stance. Peggy gets dismissed after suggesting they incorporate negroes into Fillmore's campaign, because refusing to hire negroes is an outrage. Roger, evidently no fan of minorities in the first place, gets held up by a negro. It was odd hearing the word "negro" throughout the episode. When and why did that become an offensive label?

How does getting robbed become a turn-on? That one shuked me a bit. I was hoping Roger would lunge at the gun.

Sally is a fine little thespian. :wall: She should give January Jones acting lessons.

Faye needs a good dentist.

 
GordonGekko said:
Henry Francis is clearly a step down socially for her. He's basically an errand boy for a politician, he's older, he's also previously divorced
How is a guy from "old money" that is a potential future campaign chairman for a President a step down socially from a partner in a boutique ad firm? The impression I had from the series is that Henry is an advisor whose advice was taken. Think Karl Rove.
:confused:
 

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