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People were getting high in the streets in NYC. It was nothing. Paul Simon announced from the stage at the '80 S&G show in Central Park that the guys selling loose joints were donating money to the city. NYC is not Omaha. Not that it matters, seeing how they were tucked away in their own office. Again, silly argument. Of course it probably happened. Everybody in the country under the age of 30, and many over the age of 30, was getting high.

 
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Not that it supports either side but back in the first 1 or 2 episodes of the series Kinsey mentions he knows of a firm where "all they do is play darts and smoke Mary Jane" and then he goes on to say they one of the best shops on the street. That took place in 1960. :shrug:
Not to mention, Peggy and Kinsey have already smoked in the office. This is a stupid conversation. If he's never been exposed to that kind of work environment, so be it. He dead set on not believing it could exist.
Never said it couldn't exist.

Again, all I've seen so far is people disagreeing with me based on their opinions. You're assuming this is historically accurate, not proving it.
Fascinating. In the Argo thread, people say they don't like the movie because it plays loose with the facts. Here, people treat Mad Men like it's a 1965 newsreel with 100% accuracy. I know this has become silly, but all I did was ask if this was accurate, and the consensus was, "Yes. Trust me."
How many more times can I say that the War on Drugs hadn't started yet?
You can say it 1,000 times, but you still haven't refuted this fact:Mandatory sentencing and increased punishment were enacted when the United States Congress passed the Boggs Act of 1952 and the Narcotics Control Act of 1956. The acts made a first-time cannabis possession offense a minimum of two to ten years with a fine up to $20,000.
:lmao:
Again, you paste an emoticon rather than answer the question. I assume you're clinging to The War On Drugs to imply that we didn't get serious about drug enforcement until The War On Drugs. Seems that a mandatory 2 year sentence for any pot possession is fairly harsh.
The DEA didn't even exist until 1973. It's predecessor was part of the Treasury Department not the Department of Justice. These laws simply weren't being enforced on the street level.

 
So that was Don's step mom? Where was his dad? The brother wasnt born yet, so he was still alive at that point, right?

 
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WTG Trudy! Kick that little punk Pete in the balls.

And once again Roger saves the day. The first half of the episode was meh, but Trudy dumping Pete, Don purposely sabotaging the Jaguar meeting (With Roger's little smirk the best shot of the episode) to Don collapsing outside his door to "Just a Gigolo" it ended stellar

 
So that was Don's step mom? Where was his dad? The brother wasnt born yet, so he was still alive at that point, right?
Man...I don't know. This is my one gripe about the show. There are some inconsistencies when it comes to Don's background/age/family.

Last night it would appear that **** and his mother Abigail (who is not really his mother) move in with her sister and "Mack".

Abigail is obviously pregnant. **** appears to be about 12 or 13.

If we look back to previous episodes we know this:

****'s dad, Archie, was killed when **** was about 10.

Adam is ****'s half-brother. This means that Archie knocked up Abigail before he died. That would mean **** was 10 or 11 when Adam was born.

There was also another episode way back where Don falls down the stairs and flashed back to Abigail giving birth to Adam (in the whorehouse w/ Mack there). In the flashback **** is about 10 years old. They've already established that **** is about 10 years older than Adam.

Of course what they showed last night contradicts that.

AND they've done it before. **** was probably born in 1926. That means he goes to Korea when he is about 24. Adam states that he was 8 years old when **** died. That would make Adam almost 16 years younger than ****.

Kinda sloppy.

 
Great episode, Peters new muse was awfully cute before the face plastering.

Actually want Don to dump Megan already, her whiny act it's wearing on me.

Ps am I a little racist if I was thinking to myself after Megan fired the cleaning lady "go with her upstairs, she will steal stuff"

 
i haven't posted in this thread before, but I watch the show.

Don't know if its mentioned, but I'm pretty much mystified by the "On the next Mad Men" every week. Most shows show actual plot points and such things to hook viewers in to coming back to watch next week. Not this show. It shows completely random comments with absolutely no context. It cracks me up every time. Do they do this as a joke or something?

 
i haven't posted in this thread before, but I watch the show.Don't know if its mentioned, but I'm pretty much mystified by the "On the next Mad Men" every week. Most shows show actual plot points and such things to hook viewers in to coming back to watch next week. Not this show. It shows completely random comments with absolutely no context. It cracks me up every time. Do they do this as a joke or something?
I think it just embraces the cryptic and symbolism-laden nature of the show. Nothing is exactly what it appears to be

 
i haven't posted in this thread before, but I watch the show.Don't know if its mentioned, but I'm pretty much mystified by the "On the next Mad Men" every week. Most shows show actual plot points and such things to hook viewers in to coming back to watch next week. Not this show. It shows completely random comments with absolutely no context. It cracks me up every time. Do they do this as a joke or something?
:lmao: I was thinking the same thing. This is the first season I'm watching on amc instead of Netflix.
 
Matt Weiner hates the preview part. AMC makes him do it. Read something where he said he'd prefer just to run a commercial for another show on there.

 
Great episode, Peters new muse was awfully cute before the face plastering.Actually want Don to dump Megan already, her whiny act it's wearing on me.Ps am I a little racist if I was thinking to myself after Megan fired the cleaning lady "go with her upstairs, she will steal stuff"
No, there's a reason employers escort employees out of the building where they're fired--anyone in that situation can lash out.

 
Great episode, Peters new muse was awfully cute before the face plastering.Actually want Don to dump Megan already, her whiny act it's wearing on me.Ps am I a little racist if I was thinking to myself after Megan fired the cleaning lady "go with her upstairs, she will steal stuff"
No, there's a reason employers escort employees out of the building where they're fired--anyone in that situation can lash out.
Indeed. My last firing (unescorted) went like this:

Format Drive C? Y/N

Oh yes.

 
Great episode, Peters new muse was awfully cute before the face plastering.Actually want Don to dump Megan already, her whiny act it's wearing on me.Ps am I a little racist if I was thinking to myself after Megan fired the cleaning lady "go with her upstairs, she will steal stuff"
Didn't Sylvia say something about "silver" when they were leaving the laundry room?

 
Matt Weiner hates the preview part. AMC makes him do it. Read something where he said he'd prefer just to run a commercial for another show on there.
This. It was in Grantland's article about this season. He's basically just trolling people with those.

 
That was a dark episode.
Very dark.Is anybody happy on this show? Maybe Ken?
Peggy seems to be enjoying taking the Don role to some extant. She seems to like her weirdo boyfriend so I'd say she's as happy as Peggy can be.

Roger seems to be fairly comfortable with his life. Happy may not be a good way to put it but he just rolls with the punches and keeps moving on.

 
That was a dark episode.
Very dark.Is anybody happy on this show? Maybe Ken?
Peggy seems to be enjoying taking the Don role to some extant. She seems to like her weirdo boyfriend so I'd say she's as happy as Peggy can be.

Roger seems to be fairly comfortable with his life. Happy may not be a good way to put it but he just rolls with the punches and keeps moving on.
Except that awkward rah-rah talk she gave. Don would have told them to shape-up or ship-out.

 
when is RN posting that write up. It is Tues already.
I was off the clock, but I'll post it anyway since Tanner has been asking for it as well.

A review of tonight's "Mad Men" coming up just as soon as I have your wig ready, ma'am...

Early in "The Collaborators," Don explains to Ken that they're going to have to go along with Raymond's demand that they not pursue business with Heinz's ketchup division, because even though it's a bigger account than beans, vinegar and sauces, Raymond was there for SCDP in its hour of need, and "Sometimes, you gotta dance with the one that brung ya."

It's a professional loyalty that Don has sworn by often on "Mad Men," but that kind of loyalty has always proven harder for him to stick to in his personal life. He didn't want to cheat on Betty; he just couldn't stop himself. He thought Megan would make him happy enough to maintain his fidelity; now he's carrying on an affair almost literally right under her nose. Don invokes the Germans at Munich to Pete as a group who were given everything they wanted to be happy and yet still insisted on more, and we know that he understands that mindset all too well.

"The Collaborators" is an hour soaked in infidelity, both literal and figurative. Don continues his affair with Sylvia, and each of them has to deal with spending time with their partner's unsuspecting spouse. Pete (again following Don's path, whether he realizes it or not) also can't resist fooling around with a neighbor, but it turns disastrous when Brenda shows up on his doorstep with a bloody nose, making it impossible for Trudy to feign ignorance anymore. Raymond compares the idea of Don working with Timmy from the ketchup division to "watch(ing) that guy screw my girlfriend." And Peggy, who's already walked out on Don, now begins outright cheating on him by giving Ted a chance to poach Heinz ketchup for himself. (That Don has already decided against SCDP going after the account is beside the point; Peggy knows how Don will react if Ted gets it.)

Because so many of these affairs are happening close to home — Don's had affairs before with women his wife knew, but never one who lived in the same building — they have the potential to blow up at any moment. Jon Hamm's done plenty of great silent acting in the past on this show, but Don's reaction to unexpectedly finding his wife and his mistress having a tearful heart-to-heart in his living room is right up there with the best of them. Ditto Alison Brie in the sequence where Trudy came back from dropping Brenda at the hotel, her body language saying all we needed to know about the hell Trudy would unleash on Pete the next morning.(*)

(*) Insert usual delight that the same actress can give a performance like this and be Annie on "Community." Acting!

But there's more than affairs — or perhaps less — going on in "The Collaborators." We get another flashback to **** Whitman's childhood relationship with prostitution — here finally explaining previous references he's made (like in his conversation with the madam in "Signal 30") to having been raised in a whorehouse — then return to Don and Sylvia post-coital, as he literally hands her a wad of cash to help with her money troubles. Pete tries to chase Brenda (who came in the first place in search of "Hair" tickets) out of his apartment like he's in a hurry to complete the transaction. And, of course, we welcome back Herb from Jaguar, much to the displeasure of both Joan(**) and Don. Too often in this world, sex is transactional.

(**) On the one hand, that's only two real scenes in the first three hours of the season for Christina Hendricks (three if you count the encounter with Herb and then the drink in Don's office separately). On the other, boy did Hendricks make her time tonight count. I'd like to think that even if Don didn't have to go meet with Herb, he'd have known to clear the hell out of his office to let Joan have her space after having to be around that person. Season 5 was also Joan-light for stretches, but ultimately Hendricks got a lot to do; I assume that'll be the case this year, as well.

Don undermining of Herb with the Jaguar execs — and then shaking his hand when he wouldn't do it earlier — was a thing of beauty. It doesn't make up for failing to stop Joan a year ago, but it at least gives him the satisfaction of preventing the creep from getting more, more, more from him and the rest of the agency.

The problem is that Don himself is a bottomless pit of want, and after a point it becomes exhausting to him. (He's so tired of the lies and cheating that he just sits on the floor outside his apartment in the episode's closing scene.) When Megan finally tells him about the miscarriage, he suggests he'd be fine with them having kids if that's what she wanted, but he's saying that while he's already checked out of this relationship. (Though he seems genuinely concerned for her well-being on getting the news, it doesn't stop him from going back to Sylvia the very next night.)

When Trudy kicks Pete out of their house, it's with the understanding that they will stay married for the sake of appearances — "I refuse to be a failure," she explains coldly — and that he'll have to appear when called upon by her. It's no longer a marriage, but another business arrangement. And is it any worse a situation, ultimately, than what's happening in Don's apartment building? Megan and Dr. Rosen may be in the dark right now, but this will come out, surely. And who gets bloodied then? Don? Rosen? Megan?

Some other thoughts:

* This was a much more interesting episode than Jon Hamm's directorial debut, "Tea Leaves," and not just because he wasn't stuck introducing Fat Betty this time around. Hamm was fairly candid in talking to Dan Fienberg about how little control he has over the final product of his episodes, but this one looked good, and whoever was responsible for using the "Don't Look Now"/

 
Great episode, Peters new muse was awfully cute before the face plastering.Actually want Don to dump Megan already, her whiny act it's wearing on me.Ps am I a little racist if I was thinking to myself after Megan fired the cleaning lady "go with her upstairs, she will steal stuff"
Didn't Sylvia say something about "silver" when they were leaving the laundry room?
could be, i couldnt quite make out what she said.

 
Moe. said:
Matt Weiner hates the preview part. AMC makes him do it. Read something where he said he'd prefer just to run a commercial for another show on there.
This. It was in Grantland's article about this season. He's basically just trolling people with those.
I've come to appreciate them. I much prefer them to those shows where they either give away too much info or intentionally try to make you think something happens that doesn't by showing clips out of context.
 
Loved Joan's line to the fat Jaguar guy

Something to the effect of "you haven't seen yourself in years"

:lmao:

 
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**** appears to be about 12 or 13.
That's because they used the same actor that has been playing him in flashbacks in previous seasons. The actor has aged, but the version of Don is supposed to still be about 10. They should have just re-cast the kid. No one would have noticed.

 

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