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Mad Men on AMC (2 Viewers)

I don't watch this show, but my wife does. She was telling me about the Burger Chef account they were talking about on the show and the landing on the moon that was being shown during this show I guess and said in 1969 she was sitting in Burger Chef watching the moon landing in Columbus, Ohio. I suppose she thought that was strange.
Wait a minute. There's no Tvs at burger chef! That was Peggy's whole pitch!

 
What Matt Weiner says about the final scene.... (skip to 5:00)

This fantasy is in his (Don's) mind, its a message from his subconscious that in the wake of all this, they've actually lost somebody very important to them.

Cooper's loss is really about life itself, it's not about money or anything like that. What is the real value of success? You still have your life on the other side of it.
TA-DA!
Ok, ok...I will sort of admit you convinced me you were right.

I don't think Don is ok overnight with working for McCann still, but Berts song about Life is Bigger than Business fits with sacrificing for his co-partners.
Sacrificing for his co-partners? If the deal didn't go through he was out the door.

 
Joan loves her some money
Yeah, and I no longer like Joan.
Only person in that room who was thinking only about money. As soon as she heard the figure she went all goo-goo eyed. Doesn't care about her role, doesn't care who runs what. Just :moneybag:
The guy who may have been the biggest reason for the companies success and the one person who was against her whoring herself out, she turns on because he cost her money.
[joan]

What have you done for me lately, Don?

[/joan]

 
I can't imagine why a woman, who's never been treated like an equal to men her entire life, and has a kid, would want to be independently wealthy. Just makes no sense.

STIFF UPPER LIP, JOANIE!

 
What Matt Weiner says about the final scene.... (skip to 5:00)

This fantasy is in his (Don's) mind, its a message from his subconscious that in the wake of all this, they've actually lost somebody very important to them.

Cooper's loss is really about life itself, it's not about money or anything like that. What is the real value of success? You still have your life on the other side of it.
TA-DA!
Ok, ok...I will sort of admit you convinced me you were right.I don't think Don is ok overnight with working for McCann still, but Berts song about Life is Bigger than Business fits with sacrificing for his co-partners.
Sacrificing for his co-partners? If the deal didn't go through he was out the door.
I'm not sure about that though...if Ted goes they have to buy him out and I'm guessing they also have to buy out Bert's piece. Im not sure where Cutler comes up with that money especially after seeing his reaction to the buyout. They didn't do a great job of showing it, but the partnership would probably have been very cash poor in short order.

 
What Matt Weiner says about the final scene.... (skip to 5:00)

This fantasy is in his (Don's) mind, its a message from his subconscious that in the wake of all this, they've actually lost somebody very important to them.

Cooper's loss is really about life itself, it's not about money or anything like that. What is the real value of success? You still have your life on the other side of it.
TA-DA!
Ok, ok...I will sort of admit you convinced me you were right.I don't think Don is ok overnight with working for McCann still, but Berts song about Life is Bigger than Business fits with sacrificing for his co-partners.
Sacrificing for his co-partners? If the deal didn't go through he was out the door.
I'm not sure about that though...if Ted goes they have to buy him out and I'm guessing they also have to buy out Bert's piece. Im not sure where Cutler comes up with that money especially after seeing his reaction to the buyout. They didn't do a great job of showing it, but the partnership would probably have been very cash poor in short order.
:goodposting:

Buying just Don out was prohibitive prior to this point.

 
What Matt Weiner says about the final scene.... (skip to 5:00)

This fantasy is in his (Don's) mind, its a message from his subconscious that in the wake of all this, they've actually lost somebody very important to them.

Cooper's loss is really about life itself, it's not about money or anything like that. What is the real value of success? You still have your life on the other side of it.
TA-DA!
Ok, ok...I will sort of admit you convinced me you were right.I don't think Don is ok overnight with working for McCann still, but Berts song about Life is Bigger than Business fits with sacrificing for his co-partners.
Sacrificing for his co-partners? If the deal didn't go through he was out the door.
I'm not sure about that though...if Ted goes they have to buy him out and I'm guessing they also have to buy out Bert's piece. Im not sure where Cutler comes up with that money especially after seeing his reaction to the buyout. They didn't do a great job of showing it, but the partnership would probably have been very cash poor in short order.
:goodposting:

Buying just Don out was prohibitive prior to this point.
They didn't have to buy out Don.

 
I can't imagine why a woman, who's never been treated like an equal to men her entire life, and has a kid, would want to be independently wealthy. Just makes no sense.

STIFF UPPER LIP, JOANIE!
They all want to be wealthy.

But they all care quite a bit about other factors related to their job and the company situation. Roger and Don had their argument about working under McCann. Ted had to be talked into the millions because he didn't want to continue in a lead role. Jim and Pete are mostly concerned with Don's influence.

Not Joan though. She just giggles and goes for it.

 
Not sure what the big deal is. If I'm Joan or any one if them I'm taking the deal. All of them can mail it in at that point career wise.

 
Not sure what the big deal is. If I'm Joan or any one if them I'm taking the deal. All of them can mail it in at that point career wise.
Joan has been mailing it in ever since she became partner. The first few seasons she ran the office as much as anybody. Sucks to see a good character go soft. But IMO the show has a lot of characters without a whole lot of purpose anymore.

I am still into the show but I'm also kind of hanging on just to see it end.

 
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The other partners can treat her nicely to her face until the cows come home, but it's difficult to see her as anything but a whore.

 
I don't think it's out of the ordinary for her to want the money and the deal. I don't like how she turned on Don because he "cost us money" when he is the reason she has as much money as she does and she only got a piece of it by sleeping with some dude from Jaguar.

 
What Matt Weiner says about the final scene.... (skip to 5:00)

This fantasy is in his (Don's) mind, its a message from his subconscious that in the wake of all this, they've actually lost somebody very important to them.

Cooper's loss is really about life itself, it's not about money or anything like that. What is the real value of success? You still have your life on the other side of it.
TA-DA!
Ok, ok...I will sort of admit you convinced me you were right.I don't think Don is ok overnight with working for McCann still, but Berts song about Life is Bigger than Business fits with sacrificing for his co-partners.
Sacrificing for his co-partners? If the deal didn't go through he was out the door.
I'm not sure about that though...if Ted goes they have to buy him out and I'm guessing they also have to buy out Bert's piece. Im not sure where Cutler comes up with that money especially after seeing his reaction to the buyout. They didn't do a great job of showing it, but the partnership would probably have been very cash poor in short order.
:goodposting:

Buying just Don out was prohibitive prior to this point.
They didn't have to buy out Don.
Not at the final scene we saw.

But in an earlier episode they talked about the impact of doing so (before they offered him the zero tolerance option).

I believe Joan said that it would put them in a very tough financial position.

 
What Matt Weiner says about the final scene.... (skip to 5:00)

This fantasy is in his (Don's) mind, its a message from his subconscious that in the wake of all this, they've actually lost somebody very important to them.

Cooper's loss is really about life itself, it's not about money or anything like that. What is the real value of success? You still have your life on the other side of it.
TA-DA!
Ok, ok...I will sort of admit you convinced me you were right.I don't think Don is ok overnight with working for McCann still, but Berts song about Life is Bigger than Business fits with sacrificing for his co-partners.
Sacrificing for his co-partners? If the deal didn't go through he was out the door.
I'm not sure about that though...if Ted goes they have to buy him out and I'm guessing they also have to buy out Bert's piece. Im not sure where Cutler comes up with that money especially after seeing his reaction to the buyout. They didn't do a great job of showing it, but the partnership would probably have been very cash poor in short order.
:goodposting:

Buying just Don out was prohibitive prior to this point.
They didn't have to buy out Don.
Not at the final scene we saw.

But in an earlier episode they talked about the impact of doing so (before they offered him the zero tolerance option).

I believe Joan said that it would put them in a very tough financial position.
What does that have to do with what we're discussing?

 
I could be wrong, but what I think Christo is trying to say in his dooshy way is that part of the agreement of Don's new "contract" when they took him back was if he violated any of the terms, his partner shares were absorbed. Meaning once he violated the contract by showing up at that meeting, they would not have had to buy him out anymore.

 
What Matt Weiner says about the final scene.... (skip to 5:00)

This fantasy is in his (Don's) mind, its a message from his subconscious that in the wake of all this, they've actually lost somebody very important to them.

Cooper's loss is really about life itself, it's not about money or anything like that. What is the real value of success? You still have your life on the other side of it.
TA-DA!
Ok, ok...I will sort of admit you convinced me you were right.I don't think Don is ok overnight with working for McCann still, but Berts song about Life is Bigger than Business fits with sacrificing for his co-partners.
Sacrificing for his co-partners? If the deal didn't go through he was out the door.
I'm not sure about that though...if Ted goes they have to buy him out and I'm guessing they also have to buy out Bert's piece. Im not sure where Cutler comes up with that money especially after seeing his reaction to the buyout. They didn't do a great job of showing it, but the partnership would probably have been very cash poor in short order.
:goodposting:

Buying just Don out was prohibitive prior to this point.
They didn't have to buy out Don.
Not at the final scene we saw.

But in an earlier episode they talked about the impact of doing so (before they offered him the zero tolerance option).

I believe Joan said that it would put them in a very tough financial position.
What does that have to do with what we're discussing?
Has to do with the financial strength/weakness of the firm.

Which had a significant part in the final episode we saw.

IMO, counsellor.

 
What Matt Weiner says about the final scene.... (skip to 5:00)

This fantasy is in his (Don's) mind, its a message from his subconscious that in the wake of all this, they've actually lost somebody very important to them.

Cooper's loss is really about life itself, it's not about money or anything like that. What is the real value of success? You still have your life on the other side of it.
TA-DA!
Ok, ok...I will sort of admit you convinced me you were right.I don't think Don is ok overnight with working for McCann still, but Berts song about Life is Bigger than Business fits with sacrificing for his co-partners.
Sacrificing for his co-partners? If the deal didn't go through he was out the door.
I'm not sure about that though...if Ted goes they have to buy him out and I'm guessing they also have to buy out Bert's piece. Im not sure where Cutler comes up with that money especially after seeing his reaction to the buyout. They didn't do a great job of showing it, but the partnership would probably have been very cash poor in short order.
:goodposting:

Buying just Don out was prohibitive prior to this point.
They didn't have to buy out Don.
Not at the final scene we saw.

But in an earlier episode they talked about the impact of doing so (before they offered him the zero tolerance option).

I believe Joan said that it would put them in a very tough financial position.
What does that have to do with what we're discussing?
Has to do with the financial strength/weakness of the firm.

Which had a significant part in the final episode we saw.

IMO, counsellor.
Yet, nothing to do with Don sacrificing for his partners.

 
I think that episode is the last we see of any of the characters at the ad agency or doing anything related to work. I think the last 7 episodes will be about closure to the personal lives/stories for all of the characters.

 
I think that episode is the last we see of any of the characters at the ad agency or doing anything related to work. I think the last 7 episodes will be about closure to the personal lives/stories for all of the characters.
there's literally a 0% chance this is correct. I mean, why do people do this?

 
I think this is the last we see of any of the characters at the ad agency or doing anything related to work. I think the last 7 episodes will take place at the Central Perk Coffee House.

 
Christo said:
What Matt Weiner says about the final scene.... (skip to 5:00)

This fantasy is in his (Don's) mind, its a message from his subconscious that in the wake of all this, they've actually lost somebody very important to them.

Cooper's loss is really about life itself, it's not about money or anything like that. What is the real value of success? You still have your life on the other side of it.
TA-DA!
Ok, ok...I will sort of admit you convinced me you were right.I don't think Don is ok overnight with working for McCann still, but Berts song about Life is Bigger than Business fits with sacrificing for his co-partners.
Sacrificing for his co-partners? If the deal didn't go through he was out the door.
Rogers sell to Don was that, sure he'd be fine, but the others wouldn't...which Don must consider. Obviously he did.

 
I think that episode is the last we see of any of the characters at the ad agency or doing anything related to work. I think the last 7 episodes will be about closure to the personal lives/stories for all of the characters.
there's literally a 0% chance this is correct. I mean, why do people do this?
What's left to do at the workplace, once the acquisition goes through? The partners are rich, they have job security, the agency has autonomy, there's no worrying about a fledgeling agency possibly going under because they lose a big client, etc.

They are really going to spend time during the last 294 minutes of this show with plotlines involving McCann trying to control their creative pitch to Tupperware? A three-episode arc of them trying to land Buick?

I just think the way they ended the mid-season finale leaves very little at stake when it comes to the agency. They closed the book on the agency, now it's time to see what happens with everything else :shrug:

 
so in a 7-episode stretch, we won't see any more of the agency or characters that the entire series has been about up to this point?

Don's just going to retire to Hawaii and drink Mai Tais for 7 episodes?

 
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I think that episode is the last we see of any of the characters at the ad agency or doing anything related to work. I think the last 7 episodes will be about closure to the personal lives/stories for all of the characters.
there's literally a 0% chance this is correct. I mean, why do people do this?
What's left to do at the workplace, once the acquisition goes through? The partners are rich, they have job security, the agency has autonomy, there's no worrying about a fledgeling agency possibly going under because they lose a big client, etc.

They are really going to spend time during the last 294 minutes of this show with plotlines involving McCann trying to control their creative pitch to Tupperware? A three-episode arc of them trying to land Buick?

I just think the way they ended the mid-season finale leaves very little at stake when it comes to the agency. They closed the book on the agency, now it's time to see what happens with everything else :shrug:
Well you've convinced me.

 
so in a 7-episode stretch, we won't see any more of the agency or characters that the entire series has been about up to this point?

Don's just going to retire to Hawaii and drink Mai Tais for 7 episodes?
The characters exist outside of the office. It's certainly plausible they do the usual time jump of at least a month, but most likely after the acquisition. By that time, exploring the Don & Megan's divorce, a Pete and Trudy custody battle, Peggy coming to grips with her maternal void and starts a family with Stan, Henry's turning into a wife beater and Betty going Enough" on him, Roger reconciling with his daughter, Ken becoming a successful pirate-genre writer, Ginsberg's labotomy, Harry starting his own venture with Kinsey, Bob Benson meeting Sal at the Blue Oyster, etc.

 
Didn't Cooper basically blackmail Don once because of that knowledge? I forget the circumstances.
He used it to get Don to sign a contract because Conrad Hilton wouldn't do any business with SCDP without one.
That scene had one of the great lines from the show, Bert to Don - "Sacajawea carried a baby on her back all the way to the Pacific Ocean, and somewhere along the way that baby thought he discovered America."

 
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Teddy practically kills some clients and no one slaps his wrist. Don admits he was raised in a brothel and he's Satan.

Also, Pete was more excited about the money than Joan was IMO. Calling Cutler greedy for obstructing the deal had me in stitches.

 
Took me months to catch up to this show. I FINALLY caught up last week. Goto watch it last night and im like wtf? Come to find out it doesnt come back until 2015 :lmao:

 
(HULK) said:
Teddy practically kills some clients and no one slaps his wrist. Don admits he was raised in a brothel and he's Satan.

Also, Pete was more excited about the money than Joan was IMO. Calling Cutler greedy for obstructing the deal had me in stitches.
Don spent a whole year showing up at work ####-faced. He screwed them over with any tobacco business. He fired Jaguar. He pissed off another client by talking out of turn about the war.

Don was a pain their ### for a long time...

 
(HULK) said:
Teddy practically kills some clients and no one slaps his wrist. Don admits he was raised in a brothel and he's Satan.

Also, Pete was more excited about the money than Joan was IMO. Calling Cutler greedy for obstructing the deal had me in stitches.
Don spent a whole year showing up at work ####-faced. He screwed them over with any tobacco business. He fired Jaguar. He pissed off another client by talking out of turn about the war.

Don was a pain their ### for a long time...
Yeah, well. I guess I wasn't paying attention during those parts.

:sameasiteverwas:

 
(HULK) said:
Teddy practically kills some clients and no one slaps his wrist. Don admits he was raised in a brothel and he's Satan.

Also, Pete was more excited about the money than Joan was IMO. Calling Cutler greedy for obstructing the deal had me in stitches.
Don spent a whole year showing up at work ####-faced. He screwed them over with any tobacco business. He fired Jaguar. He pissed off another client by talking out of turn about the war.

Don was a pain their ### for a long time...
Don has done plenty for the company though too. More than Teddy C imo.

The airplane thing was FAR worse than anything Don ever did. Heck, it was worse than Rumsen wetting his pants, and he got fired on the spot (granted, he wasn't a partner though).

 
Not sure what the big deal is. If I'm Joan or any one if them I'm taking the deal. All of them can mail it in at that point career wise.
Joan has been mailing it in ever since she became partner. The first few seasons she ran the office as much as anybody. Sucks to see a good character go soft. But IMO the show has a lot of characters without a whole lot of purpose anymore.

I am still into the show but I'm also kind of hanging on just to see it end.
I guess the whole thing where she tried to land the Avon account, independently solicited business advice from the professor and when Cutler pointed out that she had 2 full-time jobs never happened.

/hipple

 
I was late arriving to this show but have finally caught up. Some thoughts:

I'm rooting for Don. I know he's screwed up and done a lot of questionable things but I think at heart he's a good person trying to figure out how a good person should truly live their life. I'm rooting for him to figure it out at the end or at least get headed in that direction.

Is there something about AMC which means every show much have a wife everyone hates? Betty here. Skyler on Breaking Bad. Lori on The Walking Dead. None of them are going to win Miss Congeniality anytime soon.

The little girl who plays Sally has really become a fine young actress. She's done some really good work in the last couple of seasons. She really held her own in the episode with Jon Hamm in the diner earlier this season.

I don't know who cracks me up more, Roger or Pete. They should have a one-liner sound-off.

I agree with the comments from some here about Joan. She's becoming unlikable as her greed rises to the surface. As others noted, her attitude toward Don lately doesn't make much sense. Don may be the only male character on the show who hasn't tried to use her sexually. Funny how she seems to have forgotten that.

Nice to see Don and Peggy working more closely together and more as equals. I hope we see more of that in the final episodes.

Harry Hamlin plays his character so well. Such a smarmy SOB.

Bob Benson can stay in Detroit. Nearly every scene he was in felt so odd. I'm sure much of that was intentional but it was kind of jarring. Maybe it just annoyed me how happy he tried to be all the time.

The dance number was fantastic.

 
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