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Mystery Achiever said:
Question for anyone who heard the bell at the end (I missed that): Relative to my theory that he was back at McCann picturing the retreat at that moment, did it sound anything like a typewriter bell?
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It was a meditation bell ..........it sounded before the close up of Don and then right before the transition to the Coke commercial.

It serves as a guide to help people enter in and out of deep meditation.

 
FlapJacks said:
Peggy goes from I don't even think about you to I'm in love with you in 30 seconds....
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Come on. Really? That's what you got from that? Peggy is socially ######ed and almost 100% focused on her career to the detriment of everything else. That "I don't even think about you" line was about her realizing that she took his presence and their relationship completely for granted precisely because he's always there, and that's where she wants him. She just has to reason it out because she's really, really bad at the whole relationship and feelings thing. The whole thing was 100% in character for Peggy.

 
chet said:
Jack White said:
I'd Never Watched Mad Men Before; Here's My Take On The Crap Finale
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Why would anyone care about this article?
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ConnSKINS26 said:
Ilov80s said:
packersfan said:
Officer Pete Malloy said:
I thought all of the other stories were done very well. I can't find any major faults with them.

I need to digest Don's a little more.
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That's how I feel too. I just don't buy Peggy and Stan together as a couple but I thought they nailed the scenes for what it's worth. Then again Moss can do no wrong by me on this show.
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I always thought Stan and Peggy had a thing.
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Me too. At first it was clear that she was such an enigma to Stan that he was like a little boy pulling her pigtails. Then as time went on it was clear he wanted more. The execution may have been abrupt and the phone call angle was corny, but I always thought they were going to end up together. Thought they'd do it sooner, actually.

I liked that Stan got Peggy to realize that she should do what she's great at for the pleasure of doing it, and find recognition that way if it's there to be had, not take a new opportunity simply because it massages her ego and gives her a shortcut to having her name on any old door.
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It felt a little like the old "hey, if we don't find anyone on our own by the time we're 30, let's you and I settle for each other!"

On the other hand, I remember years ago when Julia Roberts had a succession of relationships with actors. When asked about, she said, "Well, I spend almost all of my time on movie sets. Who else am I going to meet?"

Since Peggy was always married to her job, it made sense for her to hook up with someone from work.

Still, I didn't love it.

 
Tiger Fan said:
Tiger Fan said:
Horrible. Seriously
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So I was about 8 beers deep when I posted this.....so I probably was a little harsh. I'll definitely rewatch again tonight....BUT, I'll stand by a few things:

1. The entire episode felt extremely rushed, all the jumping around and opening up new storylines was unnecessary IMO

2. The whole Peggy/Stan thing was cheap....why even bring it up at this point

And clearly, he wrote the Coke ad (IMO)
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Watched it again. I obviously take back my initial post...but still feel the same about 1 & 2 above. Good episode though.

 
Thanks for the responses on the bell. My reason for thinking he was back in the office was the change to his hair and clothes, which are too manicured for the retreat. But Hamm's take in the article Jack White posted could explain that, also. If he woke up coming to terms that he is an ad man, it would follow to start dressing like one again.

 
17seconds said:
Mystery Achiever said:
Question for anyone who heard the bell at the end (I missed that): Relative to my theory that he was back at McCann picturing the retreat at that moment, did it sound anything like a typewriter bell?
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It was the bell from the typewriter he fixed at the motel.

or maybe Tio's bell
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It was the door at Holsten's, obviously. Don't you remember when Pete told Don, "at the end, everything just goes black."?

Though I will not rule out Uncle Tio.

 
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FWIW, I liked the Coke joke but little else.

Been disappointed by finales before - though am one of the few who enjoyed the Seinfeld - but never had an experience with an ending series like this. Am good at suspending disbelief with a show i already like, but i started to panic about a half hour in because my writer's alarm KNEW they wouldn't be able to tie things up satisfactorily in the time left. The last bit was like waiting on a corner for a car you can't identify. Never been made queasy by television before. Still grateful to Matt Weiner for having made all these people my inner friends, but........

Hindsight - the only way the finale makes sense is if there's a MadMen1980 movie script already written.

p.s. Spent the period of the finale hitching from commune to commune in search of food and 'tang. No WAY there was a Cali commune in '71-2 where there were two 40+ squares spilling their guts in any session. Blew some serious continuity there, 'sides other things.

 
wikkidpissah said:
FWIW, I liked the Coke joke but little else.

Been disappointed by finales before - though am one of the few who enjoyed the Seinfeld - but never had an experience with an ending series like this. Am good at suspending disbelief with a show i already like, but i started to panic about a half hour in because my writer's alarm KNEW they wouldn't be able to tie things up satisfactorily in the time left. The last bit was like waiting on a corner for a car you can't identify. Never been made queasy by television before. Still grateful to Matt Weiner for having made all these people my inner friends, but........

Hindsight - the only way the finale makes sense is if there's a MadMen1980 movie script already written.

p.s. Spent the period of the finale hitching from commune to commune in search of food and 'tang. No WAY there was a Cali commune in '71-2 where there were two 40+ squares spilling their guts in any session. Blew some serious continuity there, 'sides other things.
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The finale sucked but most of season 7B has sucked. There was no momentum for anything really. They wasted time with pointless stuff at the start of the season and then they just quickly tied up every loose end just because. Oh, Betty you're dead, Pete here's a new job, Peggy here's the boyfriend you always dreamed of, etc.

 
They did waste a lot of time with Peggy meets dreamy guy, hey let's go to Europe no wait I don't have my passport and then we never hear from him again. :confused: That was pretty dumb.

 
Betty dying wasn't a stretch. Her mother died of cancer and she smokes like a chimney. I also thought it worked in that it allowed Sally to become arguably the one honest-to-goodness adult in that extended family.

 
packersfan said:
Betty dying wasn't a stretch. Her mother died of cancer and she smokes like a chimney. I also thought it worked in that it allowed Sally to become arguably the one honest-to-goodness adult in that extended family.
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What about Bobby #3 or whatever his burnt toast dinner?

But seriously, the only reason to involve Betty back in the story should have been how it relates to Don. Don spent like less than 5 minutes of screen time with Betty's illness. Betty hasn't been a big part of the show in forever. Killing her was just a cheap move to pull at peoples emotions.

 
Hang 10 said:
packersfan said:
Betty dying wasn't a stretch. Her mother died of cancer and she smokes like a chimney. I also thought it worked in that it allowed Sally to become arguably the one honest-to-goodness adult in that extended family.
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What about Bobby #3 or whatever his burnt toast dinner?

But seriously, the only reason to involve Betty back in the story should have been how it relates to Don. Don spent like less than 5 minutes of screen time with Betty's illness. Betty hasn't been a big part of the show in forever. Killing her was just a cheap move to pull at peoples emotions.
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I didn't feel it was manipulative or lacking logic within the story but I do agree the finale and final few episodes suffered by not having Don interact directly with Peggy, Sally and Betty. It's clear Weiner's ending all along was Don coming to some moment of clarity. I think he could have served the story better by having this revelation occur in some way connected to one or more of those characters. Betty's death seems like it could've been one way to do it.

 
Hang 10 said:
packersfan said:
Betty dying wasn't a stretch. Her mother died of cancer and she smokes like a chimney. I also thought it worked in that it allowed Sally to become arguably the one honest-to-goodness adult in that extended family.
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What about Bobby #3 or whatever his burnt toast dinner?

But seriously, the only reason to involve Betty back in the story should have been how it relates to Don. Don spent like less than 5 minutes of screen time with Betty's illness. Betty hasn't been a big part of the show in forever. Killing her was just a cheap move to pull at peoples emotions.
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Yeah, I didn't love it. And not only because my hoped-for and predicted ending of Don realizing everything he had lost and returning to his family.

I think it had more to do with Sally's story.

A child who reached her teen years and thought she knew everything, only to be told otherwise by Don in front of the bus. Her mother's impending doom forced her to grow up, for real this time, as evidenced by a couple lines she delivered during the phone call with Don ("I've spent a lot more time thinking about this than you have.")

 
Hang 10 said:
packersfan said:
Betty dying wasn't a stretch. Her mother died of cancer and she smokes like a chimney. I also thought it worked in that it allowed Sally to become arguably the one honest-to-goodness adult in that extended family.
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What about Bobby #3 or whatever his burnt toast dinner?

But seriously, the only reason to involve Betty back in the story should have been how it relates to Don. Don spent like less than 5 minutes of screen time with Betty's illness. Betty hasn't been a big part of the show in forever. Killing her was just a cheap move to pull at peoples emotions.
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Totally disagree, if you want to argue anything Peggy and Stan was a cheap move, but having Betty dying helped to show Don how he really didn't have any family and all he really had was his advertising genius.

 
Officer Pete Malloy said:
packersfan said:
Officer Pete Malloy said:
It was 1970 and it was a retreat.

Hell, it looked more EST-like than "commune".
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When the girl told Don where she was going and wanted to take him there my first thought was Weiner was going to troll everyone by having it turn out to the Manson Family.
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They were already on trial by then.
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I never thought there would be any real connection to the Manson Family on the show so I hadn't even bothered to look at whether the timelines were matching up at all.

 
Sammy3469 said:
Hang 10 said:
packersfan said:
Betty dying wasn't a stretch. Her mother died of cancer and she smokes like a chimney. I also thought it worked in that it allowed Sally to become arguably the one honest-to-goodness adult in that extended family.
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What about Bobby #3 or whatever his burnt toast dinner?

But seriously, the only reason to involve Betty back in the story should have been how it relates to Don. Don spent like less than 5 minutes of screen time with Betty's illness. Betty hasn't been a big part of the show in forever. Killing her was just a cheap move to pull at peoples emotions.
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Totally disagree, if you want to argue anything Peggy and Stan was a cheap move, but having Betty dying helped to show Don how he really didn't have any family and all he really had was his advertising genius.
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He didn't have any family even if Betty had lived. He's always been detached from them. He was willing to leave them and move to California in season 1. Nothing really changed for Don...ever. :shrug:

 
Hang 10 said:
Sammy3469 said:
Hang 10 said:
packersfan said:
Betty dying wasn't a stretch. Her mother died of cancer and she smokes like a chimney. I also thought it worked in that it allowed Sally to become arguably the one honest-to-goodness adult in that extended family.
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What about Bobby #3 or whatever his burnt toast dinner?

But seriously, the only reason to involve Betty back in the story should have been how it relates to Don. Don spent like less than 5 minutes of screen time with Betty's illness. Betty hasn't been a big part of the show in forever. Killing her was just a cheap move to pull at peoples emotions.
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Totally disagree, if you want to argue anything Peggy and Stan was a cheap move, but having Betty dying helped to show Don how he really didn't have any family and all he really had was his advertising genius.
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He didn't have any family even if Betty had lived. He's always been detached from them. He was willing to leave them and move to California in season 1. Nothing really changed for Don...ever. :shrug:
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Yes, but he still thought he did. It took the phone calls to Betty and Sally for him to realize that.

And the whole series of phone calls (over scenes together) was needed to show how divorced and alone he really was in the world (mirroring Leonard's speech in the final therapy session).

 
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