Major commish error (1 Viewer)

[SweepTheLeg]

I commish a local league of family and friends. We play IDPs. I have played T Suggs all season at Defensive End. I just listened to Mike and Mike and found out that he is an all star LB. I honestly thougt he was a DE.

I have no problem going back and giving myself losses for every game that I had him in (all of them) BUT my major concern is seeds for playoffs and more importantly lineups that may have been submitted differently because of those new seedings.

This does not affect me as commish because I am out of it, but it could very well bump the 2 teams that made the finals out of it.

I want to do the right thing, I am just not sure what that right thing is right now.

I searched the entire constitution and can not find anything specific to this.

No one in the league has said anything and I want to be out in front of it because the last thing I want is someone thinking I am shady (although we have been together for 7 seasons and all know I am up front and honest.)

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

 

[poopdawg]

Im confused. If playing Suggs only affects your team and you are out of it, how does that affect the seedings again?

You say the lineups MAY have been submitted differently, but thats an assumption.

 

[SweepTheLeg]

Im confused. If playing Suggs only affects your team and you are out of it, how does that affect the seedings again? You say the lineups MAY have been submitted differently, but thats an assumption.

Suggs should be ineligible to play DE so I would give my 8 wins away. The teams that lost to me would get wins. This would affect the seedings as teams out of playoffs would be in and teams 3-6 would be altered. Teams out of playoffs that would be in that did not set lineup for playoff weeks would have set lineups differently

 

[SuperJohn96]

If nobody said anything, then too bad.

It was a mistake or oversight, but it's far too late to juggle everything now.

Part of the onus is on your opponents to at least double check things. If they don't, then so be it.

Don't be so hard on yourself.

 

[puckalicious]

Im confused. If playing Suggs only affects your team and you are out of it, how does that affect the seedings again? You say the lineups MAY have been submitted differently, but thats an assumption.

Suggs should be ineligible to play DE so I would give my 8 wins away. The teams that lost to me would get wins. This would affect the seedings as teams out of playoffs would be in and teams 3-6 would be altered. Teams out of playoffs that would be in that did not set lineup for playoff weeks would have set lineups differently

This is a little extreme, even if it is technically the "letter of the law". Just give 0 points to Suggs for your team each week to see if that makes a difference.Next year use a website that lists each player's position for you so you can avoid this type of error.

 

[WisWolvrns]

Suggs is whatever position your league listed him as. He is listed as a OLB/DE in most leagues because that is what his job is. So he can be played in either spot. Typically for players with position questions, before you draft those players are announced and locked in at a particular position for the year. Then each owner can draft them appropriately.

At any rate, it's too late in the season to change anything. Most leagues lock the results of games once the next week's games start. So old games are done and can't be changed. (not doing that could be a commish nightmare, with whiny owners perpetually rehashing old game stats)

Here's some more info too... even in the NFL he is a hybrid with respect to contract:

http://fantasyfootball.usatoday.com/conten...amp;line=119989

May. 13, 2008 - 6:30 p.m. ET

The Ravens agreed Tuesday to designate Terrell Suggs their franchise "defensive end-linebacker."

Suggs challenged his franchise "linebacker" tag in early March because he took more snaps at defensive end in 2007. A franchise linebacker would make $8.065 million, whereas a franchise DE would make $8.879 million. GM Ozzie Newsome and agent Gary Wichard agreed to create a hybrid position for Suggs and he'll reportedly get around $8.5 million this year.

 

[identikit]

Rewriting the season based on this is just crazy talk.

Suggs is listed sometimes as a DE sometimes as a LB.

ESPN has him listed as both.

Never a smart thing to rewrite history.

If you do, you'll likely bust up the league.

 

[SweepTheLeg]

Suggs is whatever position your league listed him as. He is listed as a OLB/DE in most leagues because that is what his job is. So he can be played in either spot. Typically for players with position questions, before you draft those players are announced and locked in at a particular position for the year. Then each owner can draft them appropriately.

At any rate, it's too late in the season to change anything. Most leagues lock the results of games once the next week's games start. So old games are done and can't be changed. (not doing that could be a commish nightmare, with whiny owners perpetually rehashing old game stats)

Here's some more info too... even in the NFL he is a hybrid with respect to contract:

http://fantasyfootball.usatoday.com/conten...amp;line=119989

May. 13, 2008 - 6:30 p.m. ET

The Ravens agreed Tuesday to designate Terrell Suggs their franchise "defensive end-linebacker."

Suggs challenged his franchise "linebacker" tag in early March because he took more snaps at defensive end in 2007. A franchise linebacker would make $8.065 million, whereas a franchise DE would make $8.879 million. GM Ozzie Newsome and agent Gary Wichard agreed to create a hybrid position for Suggs and he'll reportedly get around $8.5 million this year.

That is interesting. When I drafted him at DE no one said anything and we use MFL which only lists him at DE.Thanks for this info, this is great and make me feel a little more at ease

 

[SweepTheLeg]

Thanks to all those who chimed in. It looks like everyone agrees that I should not do anything about it.

Maybe no one in the league ever mentions it but I feel more comfortable now then I did when I posted

 

[poopdawg]

Im confused. If playing Suggs only affects your team and you are out of it, how does that affect the seedings again? You say the lineups MAY have been submitted differently, but thats an assumption.

Suggs should be ineligible to play DE so I would give my 8 wins away. The teams that lost to me would get wins. This would affect the seedings as teams out of playoffs would be in and teams 3-6 would be altered. Teams out of playoffs that would be in that did not set lineup for playoff weeks would have set lineups differently

Gotcha. I think I was reading it wrong. We have a rule in our league where everything is final for the week as soon as the next weeks kickoff starts. Going back and fixing every week sounds like it would create the problem here. I would let it stand.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Assuming you have to specific rules in place saying "Player is eligible for the position listed on NFL.com" or something like that, you should just go by what the site you use classifies the player as.

This might not be the fairest thing in all cases, but if you have no rule, it's definitely what you should go by, and it's CERTAINLY not something you need to forfeit all your wins for.

I say leave it alone, you didn't do anything wrong.

 

[blackjack23]

Suggs is whatever position your league listed him as. He is listed as a OLB/DE in most leagues because that is what his job is. So he can be played in either spot. Typically for players with position questions, before you draft those players are announced and locked in at a particular position for the year. Then each owner can draft them appropriately.

At any rate, it's too late in the season to change anything. Most leagues lock the results of games once the next week's games start. So old games are done and can't be changed. (not doing that could be a commish nightmare, with whiny owners perpetually rehashing old game stats)

Here's some more info too... even in the NFL he is a hybrid with respect to contract:

http://fantasyfootball.usatoday.com/conten...amp;line=119989

May. 13, 2008 - 6:30 p.m. ET

The Ravens agreed Tuesday to designate Terrell Suggs their franchise "defensive end-linebacker."

Suggs challenged his franchise "linebacker" tag in early March because he took more snaps at defensive end in 2007. A franchise linebacker would make $8.065 million, whereas a franchise DE would make $8.879 million. GM Ozzie Newsome and agent Gary Wichard agreed to create a hybrid position for Suggs and he'll reportedly get around $8.5 million this year.

That is interesting. When I drafted him at DE no one said anything and we use MFL which only lists him at DE.Thanks for this info, this is great and make me feel a little more at ease

Sounds like you got your answer right there. This is a non-issue.

 

[identikit]

Thanks to all those who chimed in. It looks like everyone agrees that I should not do anything about it.Maybe no one in the league ever mentions it but I feel more comfortable now then I did when I posted

Definitely something you could discuss and decide as a laeague in the offseason.

 

[WisWolvrns]

I use MFL too and have him as a DE there too.

Pretty much with any player, so long as everyone in the league knows before the draft starts, that a particular player is X position or Y, then everyone has the same opportunity to draft the player at a time they feel best.

Obviously with Suggs, since he was listed as a DE and not a LB in MFL, his value was greater and he was drafted sooner than if he was listed as a LB.

The problem arises when a player has a wierd position listed, the one owner who notices it doesn't bring it up before the draft for clarification, and then mid draft attempts to pick the particular player in the wierd position... that would cause havoc and be unsportsmanlike and most likely would cause an immediate vote that puts the player back to a position everyone else figured he should be listed at. Thus pissing off the smug owner and really not getting your league off on a good start.

In your case, he was listed as a DE, you drafted him as a DE and no one really had issues with it, so you really shouldn't have a problem.

Usually there is a short list of 5-10 players, mostly IDP's, which could use a position clarification. Typically the LB/DE types. It really gets frustrating in dynasty leagues though... as you have a stellar DE one year, only the have him "moved" to LB the next year... doh. (another person that might happen to is Woodyard in Den... he is listed as a LB, but the final two games he will be playing SS, so next season he might be listed as LB or maybe SS... )

 

[Black]

Does the online system allow him to be started as DE?...if so, you defer to that rule.

OR, if noone complained....then again, don't retroactively change anything. Chalk it up to a learning experience and create a rule next year to prevent the problem.

 

[Mr. Know-It-All]

Up to your league on draft day as to what positions players are eligible at. Some publications listed him at DE, others at OLB. I tried to draft him at DE, but was denied. Other guys like Matt Roth were allowed to be drafted at DE even though they were OLB. In our case we had a quick vote about position eligibility when there was any question.

 

[bjabrad]

One more thing,,,

The NFL makes officiating mistakes all the time that effect the outcome of games and their solution is to admit their mistakes and move on without changing any outcomes. I think their rationale is that they want to give the fans the expectation that the drama that is playing out on the field will be resolved conclusively during the game rather than have somebody go to a game and think that they've won or lost only to find out the next day that the decision was changed/reversed. The same thing should apply to fantasy football where mistakes are made all the time. Some people/teams will get screwed but that's the reality of life and fully representative of the beauty and uncertainty of the NFL and fantasy football.

 

[ScottyFargo]

Suggs was PO'd because he was franchised as a LBer but wanted DE $$ for his franchise ticket due to playing a large percentage (I think it is larger than 50%) of his plays out of the DE spot. I would not feel bad if I were you, it's what happens in a 3-4 D. He's a hybrid.