Making A Murderer (Netflix) (Spoilers) (1 Viewer)

[The Kerminator]

Heard on the radio that Kratz is "considering" suing the film makers. This guy is such a tool.

If anything comes of this then maybe we'll actually get to see the full film footage

 

[The Kerminator]

Len Kachinski should be disbarred at the very least. What a complete scumbag.

He was punished by the state and accepted those sanctions

http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/attorney-in-making-a-murderer-crosshairs-admits-errors-but-defends-work-b99646945z1-364401181.html

 

[SIDA!]

I watched the first episode and found myself disliking Steve Avery so much that I'm not watching the rest. I find the content interesting though, but just don't like him - guilty or innocent.

So you're saying you knew about the whole incident with him ramming the woman off the road?

Huh?

Someone in the thread was very critical of the show, then admitted to not having seen it. Later, he said he saw it, but then posted details that he thought had been omitted which were actually in the first episode. He was obviously lying and I don't think he has posted since.Since you watched the first episode, you've seen more than him.

Someone in this thread has a areal job and doesn't hang out here every minute of his life.

Thankfully the job didn't keep you from watching this documentary so that you could contribute to the discussion.

 

[The Kerminator]

Juror reaches out to filmmakers

"That was the actual word the juror used and went on to describe the jurors ultimately trading votes in the jury room and explicitly discussing, 'If you vote guilty on this count, I will vote not guilty on this count,'" Ricciardi said.

"So that was a significant revelation."

The juror also said he or she voted to convict, but claimed the decision came under duress.

Wow

Except an actual juror denies that any of that happened. Nobody on the jury felt threatened. There was no trading of votes.

http://onmilwaukee.com/movies/articles/averyjurortalks.html

He also states that there was evidence that was left out of the documentary

 

[Das Boot]

I'm in the B camp 65% and the C camp 35%.

There is a lot of information coming out (not included in the show) that is damning and underpins a possible motive. He was apparently stalking this woman before she went missing.

I missed the info about Avery stalking Halbach, where did you see that?

 

[SIDA!]

Len Kachinski should be disbarred at the very least. What a complete scumbag.

He was punished by the state and accepted those sanctions

http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/attorney-in-making-a-murderer-crosshairs-admits-errors-but-defends-work-b99646945z1-364401181.html

Thanks for linking the article. Interesting bit here:

"I was considering the possibility of suing Netflix for false light and slander," he said. "But those suits tend to eat up time and put money in lawyers' pockets."



Kachinsky said he hasn't watched the 10-part documentary and doubts he will.

Sounds like someone we know.

 

[The Kerminator]

Okay, I'll keep a running tally:

A. KingPrawn & Mr. Pack (AWOL)

B.

C. Chet

B or C: Max Power, SIDA!, Dickies, Gator, Johnnymac, Avoiding Injuries, zoonation

A or B: Parrot

Wrong again. I've stated in several posts that I think there is a possibility that evidence may have been planted. But, hey, feel free to ignore those posts

 

[SIDA!]

Okay, I'll keep a running tally:

A. KingPrawn & Mr. Pack (AWOL)

B.

C. Chet

B or C: Max Power, SIDA!, Dickies, Gator, Johnnymac, Avoiding Injuries, zoonation

A or B: Parrot

Wrong again. I've stated in several posts that I think there is a possibility that evidence may have been planted. But, hey, feel free to ignore those posts

Nothing about these options mentioned planted evidence or even centered on that issue. It was simply a question about three different scenarios of guilt or innocence.

It is absolutely comical how you will reference posts over and over that ask whether or not you believe Avery killed Teresa in the trailer or garage but still refuse to answer them.

 

[blend]

Pretty good interview by Megyn Kelly of Ken Kratz and Dean Strang.

This was really good. Thought she did a good job of asking both guests about the "controversial" topics. Asks Strang about the sweat under the hood, and asks Kratz about the different versions of events in Dassey trial vs. Avery trial -- spoiler: kratz doesn't think it was inconsistent.

 

[derek245583]

This is a long thread so I may have missed it but have we talked about the hot reporter yet? And how funny her looks are whenever the prosecutor speaks? She clearly thinks he's full of ####.

She was mentioned, and she is hot! Don't know her name though.

Yeah, she's one of my favorite characters. Hope we see more of her somehow. Really liked her and she is stunning, IMO.

I linked to her facebook page a few posts up. Here's her twitter page, where she seems to be willing to engage people about the case and the documentary. Some interesting perspective from her.

Wish I could take credit for the iStalking, but I just stumbled on it when this showed up in my twitter feed (Barb Janda robbed here IMO).

I knew she looked familiar!!!

 

[SIDA!]

Here is a map of the Avery compound:

http://i.imgur.com/ucRWsX7.png

I forget where it was on the map during the documentary...can someone tell me where the garage Teresa was killed in is located?

Also...where in relation to this map would the quarry site have been?

 

[derek245583]

Here is a map of the Avery compound:

http://i.imgur.com/ucRWsX7.png

I forget where it was on the map during the documentary...can someone tell me where the garage Teresa was killed in is located?

Allegedly killed in

Nice try

 

[Das Boot]

Pretty good interview by Megyn Kelly of Ken Kratz and Dean Strang.

This was a good listen.

A few things I gleaned from it:

Megyn said that she thought in the Dassey trial, evidence was presented that Avery bought handcuffs and leg irons 3 weeks before the murder.

Strang said that the bones in all 3 locations were female, and that none of the fires were hot enough to burn the body the way it was consumed, and that was proof that the body had been burned elsewhere and moved to Avery's property.

A brief question and mention of Avery using *67 when calling in to Auto Trader.

Strang said that the DNA found under the hood is not known to be from sweat as Kratz keeps frequently stating; it is Avery's DNA, but it's incorrect to state that it is known to have come from Avery's sweat.

 

[The Kerminator]

Okay, I'll keep a running tally:

A. KingPrawn & Mr. Pack (AWOL)

B.

C. Chet

B or C: Max Power, SIDA!, Dickies, Gator, Johnnymac, Avoiding Injuries, zoonation

A or B: Parrot

Wrong again. I've stated in several posts that I think there is a possibility that evidence may have been planted. But, hey, feel free to ignore those posts

Nothing about these options mentioned planted evidence or even centered on that issue. It was simply a question about three different scenarios of guilt or innocence.

It is absolutely comical how you will reference posts over and over that ask whether or not you believe Avery killed Teresa in the trailer or garage but still refuse to answer them.

First, I really didn't think it was necessary for me to answer seeing how you already answered for me

Second, I guess if I had previously said that evidence may have been planted it opens the door for C now doesn't it?

Third, I'm not really sure what you are really trying to accomplish here but what the heck, I'll play along. I'm probably somewhere along the lines of the previous poster who posted this:

I think he probably killed her. I don't think there's any way it happened in the house. I think it may have occurred in the garage. I don't trust much of what Brendan said but it does seem like he may have helped Steven clean up in the garage with bleach. I know there's a lot of talk about blood spatter, but how much spatter is there really from a .22?

I think he more than likely killed her. May or may not have happened in the house. If it did happen in the house I don't think it happened the way it was described. May have been more likely strangulation.

So about a 2% chance it happened in the house, just not the way it was described. More likely to have happened in the garage. Probably about a 5-10% chance it happened that way. What do I base this on? I remember reading somewhere that around 175-180 pieces of evidence were sent for DNA testing, I think 40 tested positive for blood (from the Dassey transcripts I believe). I don't believe there was discussion about where that blood came from or whose blood it was. If it came from the garage and was Halbach's then the % obviously would go way up. So about an 80-85% chance he killed her but just not the way described, but that is dependent on the possibility of the blood evidence.

Maybe a 5-10% that he did not kill her. And if you want me to further expand on that I'd say there is about 0% chance she committed suicide (as that would imply somebody would have to have burned her body and moved it to the Avery property, 0% chance the brother or ex-boyfriend killed her (sorry, I don't believe that just because there is something about the way he acted or the way he looked during a press conference is enough to place blame), most likely that somebody else within the Avery family killed her.

Happy?

 

[SIDA!]

Here is a map of the Avery compound:

http://i.imgur.com/ucRWsX7.png

I forget where it was on the map during the documentary...can someone tell me where the garage Teresa was killed in is located?

Allegedly killed in

Nice try

Easy Tiger!

I don't think she was killed there...but a guy was found guilty of it. Don't think we can refer to it as "allegedly" anymore.

 

[Das Boot]

http://onmilwaukee.com/movies/articles/averyjurortalks.html

The above article has comments from a couple of the jurors.

No great info, just that the 2 jurors still both seem adamant that Avery was guilty.

And they keep saying there are important things that weren't presented in the documentary that support the prosecution's side, but instead of saving us all a lot of time and telling us these key facts, they say to go read about them.

I found these comments telling about whether the key was planted:

Keys and blood

Pressed about specifics in the case, such as whether the juror found it suspicious that a Manitowoc County Sheriff's official had found Halbach's car key in Avery's bedroom after repeated searches by other agencies did not turn it up and after being deposed in Avery's civil law suit, the juror said no.

"No, you just have to think," said the juror. "It was shaken how many times and all of a sudden it was there. It came out of somewhere, totally." Asked whether the juror was saying the key was planted or that the sheriff's official found the key because it had fallen out of the nightstand where Avery hid it, the juror said the latter.

Asked about the hole in the blood vial, about the lack of Halbach's blood in Avery's home, and other key pieces of evidence featured in the documentary, the juror declined to comment and again urged people to read the court file to get a better sense of what it was like to be a juror and what jurors actually saw.

"What was presented to us was presented right. Do your digging."

 

[The Kerminator]

Not sure if this was posted yet if so please forgive the honda. I thought the conversation Brendan had on the phone with his mom from the Sheboygan County Jail was very interesting. Seems like she was pretty certain that Steven did it.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/lr7iif6ca3xp5sa/Transcript%20-%20May%2013%2C%202006%20%28Dassey%20to%20Mother%29.pdf?dl=0

You can read the whole thing for yourself but some excerpts

M: You don't even have to say it Brendan

B: Why?

M: Because just by the way you are acting I know what it is

B: What

M: I don't want to say it over the phone

B: About what all happened?

M: Huh

B: About what all happened?

M: What all happened, what are you talking about?

B: About what me and Steven did that day

M: What about it?
B: Well, Mike & Mark & Matt came up one day and took another interview with me and said because they think I was lying but so, they said if I come out with it that Iwould have to go to jail for 90 years

M: What?

B: Ya, but if I came out with it I would probably get I dunno like 20 or less. After the interview they told me if I wanted to say something to her family and said that I was sorry for what I did.

M: Than Steven did do it

B: Ya

Then later

M: Why did you even go over there Brendan?

B: I dunno, I don't even know how I'm gonna do it in court though

M: What do you mean?
B: I ain't gonna face them

M: Face who?
B: Steven

M: You know what Brendan

B: What

M: I am gonna tell you something. He did it and you do what you gotta do

B: What will happen if he gets pissed off

M: What makes a difference, he ain't going no where now

B: No

M: Why didn't you tell me about this earlier? (Mom crying) Huh

B: ( ) Brendan's voice breaking up

The conversation then goes on about some other interesting allegations in there about how Steven molested Brendan

 

[Das Boot]

Not sure if this was posted yet if so please forgive the honda. I thought the conversation Brendan had on the phone with his mom from the Sheboygan County Jail was very interesting. Seems like she was pretty certain that Steven did it.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/lr7iif6ca3xp5sa/Transcript%20-%20May%2013%2C%202006%20%28Dassey%20to%20Mother%29.pdf?dl=0

You can read the whole thing for yourself but some excerpts

M: You don't even have to say it Brendan

B: Why?

M: Because just by the way you are acting I know what it is

B: What

M: I don't want to say it over the phone

B: About what all happened?

M: Huh

B: About what all happened?

M: What all happened, what are you talking about?

B: About what me and Steven did that day

M: What about it?

B: Well, Mike & Mark & Matt came up one day and took another interview with me and said because they think I was lying but so, they said if I come out with it that Iwould have to go to jail for 90 years

M: What?

B: Ya, but if I came out with it I would probably get I dunno like 20 or less. After the interview they told me if I wanted to say something to her family and said that I was sorry for what I did.

M: Than Steven did do it

B: Ya

Then later

M: Why did you even go over there Brendan?

B: I dunno, I don't even know how I'm gonna do it in court though

M: What do you mean?

B: I ain't gonna face them

M: Face who?

B: Steven

M: You know what Brendan

B: What

M: I am gonna tell you something. He did it and you do what you gotta do

B: What will happen if he gets pissed off

M: What makes a difference, he ain't going no where now

B: No

M: Why didn't you tell me about this earlier? (Mom crying) Huh

B: ( ) Brendan's voice breaking up

The conversation then goes on about some other interesting allegations in there about how Steven molested Brendan

If I hadn't watched the documentary, and had read this transcript or heard it played, I'd have assumed it's an admission of guilt.

After having watched the documentary and knowing the context behind how this was orchestrated and why it was done, I have an entirely different opinion of it.

It was actually one of the most vile things in the entire show on the part of the police, and that's saying something.

 

[Binky The Doormat]

This #### is crazy. I suggest this as true justice:

- let SA go and allow the victim's family to beat him with crowbars

- send the dirty cops to jail in gen pop, make sure the guards turn their heads a lot

 

[Joe T]

I can't believe there is not more anger at the two cops - Weigert and Fassburner or whatever. Both should be kicked off the police force if not locked up.

How can they legally question a minor for that long without an attorney? It shouldn't be legal.

 

[The Kerminator]

Not sure if this was posted yet if so please forgive the honda. I thought the conversation Brendan had on the phone with his mom from the Sheboygan County Jail was very interesting. Seems like she was pretty certain that Steven did it.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/lr7iif6ca3xp5sa/Transcript%20-%20May%2013%2C%202006%20%28Dassey%20to%20Mother%29.pdf?dl=0

You can read the whole thing for yourself but some excerpts

M: You don't even have to say it Brendan

B: Why?

M: Because just by the way you are acting I know what it is

B: What

M: I don't want to say it over the phone

B: About what all happened?

M: Huh

B: About what all happened?

M: What all happened, what are you talking about?

B: About what me and Steven did that day

M: What about it?

B: Well, Mike & Mark & Matt came up one day and took another interview with me and said because they think I was lying but so, they said if I come out with it that Iwould have to go to jail for 90 years

M: What?

B: Ya, but if I came out with it I would probably get I dunno like 20 or less. After the interview they told me if I wanted to say something to her family and said that I was sorry for what I did.

M: Than Steven did do it

B: Ya

Then later

M: Why did you even go over there Brendan?

B: I dunno, I don't even know how I'm gonna do it in court though

M: What do you mean?

B: I ain't gonna face them

M: Face who?

B: Steven

M: You know what Brendan

B: What

M: I am gonna tell you something. He did it and you do what you gotta do

B: What will happen if he gets pissed off

M: What makes a difference, he ain't going no where now

B: No

M: Why didn't you tell me about this earlier? (Mom crying) Huh

B: ( ) Brendan's voice breaking up

The conversation then goes on about some other interesting allegations in there about how Steven molested Brendan

If I hadn't watched the documentary, and had read this transcript or heard it played, I'd have assumed it's an admission of guilt.

After having watched the documentary and knowing the context behind how this was orchestrated and why it was done, I have an entirely different opinion of it.

It was actually one of the most vile things in the entire show on the part of the police, and that's saying something.

But what I found interesting was that this was from a phone conversation he had from his jail cell to his mother. Not from the coerced confession. Do you think he was influenced yet by the confession in this conversation? Were the officers present when this phone call took place? How do you then explain his mom's reaction?

 

[baymen]

Not sure if this was posted yet if so please forgive the honda. I thought the conversation Brendan had on the phone with his mom from the Sheboygan County Jail was very interesting. Seems like she was pretty certain that Steven did it.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/lr7iif6ca3xp5sa/Transcript%20-%20May%2013%2C%202006%20(Dassey%20to%20Mother).pdf?dl=0

You can read the whole thing for yourself but some excerpts

M: You don't even have to say it Brendan

B: Why?

M: Because just by the way you are acting I know what it is

B: What

M: I don't want to say it over the phone

B: About what all happened?

M: Huh

B: About what all happened?

M: What all happened, what are you talking about?

B: About what me and Steven did that day

M: What about it?

B: Well, Mike & Mark & Matt came up one day and took another interview with me and said because they think I was lying but so, they said if I come out with it that Iwould have to go to jail for 90 years

M: What?

B: Ya, but if I came out with it I would probably get I dunno like 20 or less. After the interview they told me if I wanted to say something to her family and said that I was sorry for what I did.

M: Than Steven did do it

B: Ya

Then later

M: Why did you even go over there Brendan?

B: I dunno, I don't even know how I'm gonna do it in court though

M: What do you mean?

B: I ain't gonna face them

M: Face who?

B: Steven

M: You know what Brendan

B: What

M: I am gonna tell you something. He did it and you do what you gotta do

B: What will happen if he gets pissed off

M: What makes a difference, he ain't going no where now

B: No

M: Why didn't you tell me about this earlier? (Mom crying) Huh

B: ( ) Brendan's voice breaking up

The conversation then goes on about some other interesting allegations in there about how Steven molested Brendan

If I hadn't watched the documentary, and had read this transcript or heard it played, I'd have assumed it's an admission of guilt.

After having watched the documentary and knowing the context behind how this was orchestrated and why it was done, I have an entirely different opinion of it.

It was actually one of the most vile things in the entire show on the part of the police, and that's saying something.

But what I found interesting was that this was from a phone conversation he had from his jail cell to his mother. Not from the coerced confession. Do you think he was influenced yet by the confession in this conversation? Were the officers present when this phone call took place? How do you then explain his mom's reaction?

Did you watch the documentary that puts some context around this conversation? I did and come nowhere close to your conclusion that this is some sort of smoking gun.

 

[SIDA!]

Okay, I'll keep a running tally:

A. KingPrawn & Mr. Pack (AWOL)

B.

C. Chet

B or C: Max Power, SIDA!, Dickies, Gator, Johnnymac, Avoiding Injuries, zoonation

A or B: Parrot

Wrong again. I've stated in several posts that I think there is a possibility that evidence may have been planted. But, hey, feel free to ignore those posts

Nothing about these options mentioned planted evidence or even centered on that issue. It was simply a question about three different scenarios of guilt or innocence.

It is absolutely comical how you will reference posts over and over that ask whether or not you believe Avery killed Teresa in the trailer or garage but still refuse to answer them.

First, I really didn't think it was necessary for me to answer seeing how you already answered for me

Second, I guess if I had previously said that evidence may have been planted it opens the door for C now doesn't it?

Third, I'm not really sure what you are really trying to accomplish here but what the heck, I'll play along. I'm probably somewhere along the lines of the previous poster who posted this:

I think he probably killed her. I don't think there's any way it happened in the house. I think it may have occurred in the garage. I don't trust much of what Brendan said but it does seem like he may have helped Steven clean up in the garage with bleach. I know there's a lot of talk about blood spatter, but how much spatter is there really from a .22?

I think he more than likely killed her. May or may not have happened in the house. If it did happen in the house I don't think it happened the way it was described. May have been more likely strangulation.

So about a 2% chance it happened in the house, just not the way it was described. More likely to have happened in the garage. Probably about a 5-10% chance it happened that way. What do I base this on? I remember reading somewhere that around 175-180 pieces of evidence were sent for DNA testing, I think 40 tested positive for blood (from the Dassey transcripts I believe). I don't believe there was discussion about where that blood came from or whose blood it was. If it came from the garage and was Halbach's then the % obviously would go way up. So about an 80-85% chance he killed her but just not the way described, but that is dependent on the possibility of the blood evidence.

Maybe a 5-10% that he did not kill her. And if you want me to further expand on that I'd say there is about 0% chance she committed suicide (as that would imply somebody would have to have burned her body and moved it to the Avery property, 0% chance the brother or ex-boyfriend killed her (sorry, I don't believe that just because there is something about the way he acted or the way he looked during a press conference is enough to place blame), most likely that somebody else within the Avery family killed her.

Happy?

Thanks for taking the time to reply.

I will move you out of the "A" only column when I make my next update. Poor Mr. Pack will be all by himself now.

As for suicide...I don't buy it. I think the brother theory is preposterous like you do. I think the ex boyfriend and roommate are greater than 0%, however.

If Avery didn't kill her...then I think the most likely culprit is another member of the Avery/Pterodactyl clans that were living on the property.

If you want to argue that she was killed in the garage or trailer without the use of a gun or knife (e.g. strangulation), then I am receptive to that.

 

[Billy Bats]

I'm not sure how you don't understand that this kid is easily influenced. The mother did the same exact thing as the detectives, told him Steven did it and he agreed, just like his "confession".

Branden, the sky is red

Yeah.

No Branden the sky is purple.

Oh, yeah ok it is.

He goes along with anything you tell him to.

 

[SIDA!]

Can we get a check in here:

A. Does anyone believe that Avery (with or without the help of Brendan) killed Teresa in either the garage, trailer or both?

B. Does anyone believe Avery killed Teresa (with or without the help of Brendan) but just not in the way the prosecution said?

C. Does anyone believe Avery did not kill Teresa?
Running Tally:

A. Mr. Pack (AWOL, Still Haven't Watched the Documentary), Kratz, Lenk, Colborn, Fassbender, Weigert, O'Kelly, Kachinsky)

B. parasaurolophus

C. Chet, Billy Bats

B or C: Max Power, SIDA!, Dickies, Gator, Johnnymac, Avoiding Injuries, zoonation

A or B: Parrot

A, B, or C: ILUVBEER99, KingPrawn

I Don't Know: AcerFC

 

[Billy Bats]

C. Railroaded.

 

[Max Power]

This story just keeps getting crazier.

Apparently Teresa's father died when he was 31 and she was 8. I'm unsure what the cause of death was, but it could be why she made that strange video about dying young.

The odd part is that Teresa's mother re-married her uncle (the father's younger brother). There is some debate if Mike is actually her brother or her step-brother/cousin.

 

[The Kerminator]

Okay, I'll keep a running tally:

A. KingPrawn & Mr. Pack (AWOL)

B.

C. Chet

B or C: Max Power, SIDA!, Dickies, Gator, Johnnymac, Avoiding Injuries, zoonation

A or B: Parrot

Wrong again. I've stated in several posts that I think there is a possibility that evidence may have been planted. But, hey, feel free to ignore those posts

Nothing about these options mentioned planted evidence or even centered on that issue. It was simply a question about three different scenarios of guilt or innocence.

It is absolutely comical how you will reference posts over and over that ask whether or not you believe Avery killed Teresa in the trailer or garage but still refuse to answer them.

First, I really didn't think it was necessary for me to answer seeing how you already answered for me

Second, I guess if I had previously said that evidence may have been planted it opens the door for C now doesn't it?

Third, I'm not really sure what you are really trying to accomplish here but what the heck, I'll play along. I'm probably somewhere along the lines of the previous poster who posted this:

I think he probably killed her. I don't think there's any way it happened in the house. I think it may have occurred in the garage. I don't trust much of what Brendan said but it does seem like he may have helped Steven clean up in the garage with bleach. I know there's a lot of talk about blood spatter, but how much spatter is there really from a .22?

I think he more than likely killed her. May or may not have happened in the house. If it did happen in the house I don't think it happened the way it was described. May have been more likely strangulation.

So about a 2% chance it happened in the house, just not the way it was described. More likely to have happened in the garage. Probably about a 5-10% chance it happened that way. What do I base this on? I remember reading somewhere that around 175-180 pieces of evidence were sent for DNA testing, I think 40 tested positive for blood (from the Dassey transcripts I believe). I don't believe there was discussion about where that blood came from or whose blood it was. If it came from the garage and was Halbach's then the % obviously would go way up. So about an 80-85% chance he killed her but just not the way described, but that is dependent on the possibility of the blood evidence.

Maybe a 5-10% that he did not kill her. And if you want me to further expand on that I'd say there is about 0% chance she committed suicide (as that would imply somebody would have to have burned her body and moved it to the Avery property, 0% chance the brother or ex-boyfriend killed her (sorry, I don't believe that just because there is something about the way he acted or the way he looked during a press conference is enough to place blame), most likely that somebody else within the Avery family killed her.

Happy?

Thanks for taking the time to reply.

I will move you out of the "A" only column when I make my next update. Poor Mr. Pack will be all by himself now.

As for suicide...I don't buy it. I think the brother theory is preposterous like you do. I think the ex boyfriend and roommate are greater than 0%, however.

If Avery didn't kill her...then I think the most likely culprit is another member of the Avery/Pterodactyl clans that were living on the property.

If you want to argue that she was killed in the garage or trailer without the use of a gun or knife (e.g. strangulation), then I am receptive to that.

Wow, didn't think you would ever agree on anything I ever posted.

Just curious, what % would you put on the ex-boyfriend or roommate? What is your theory as to how her body got to the Avery property? That's the problem I have with giving any credibility to that theory.

 

[The Kerminator]

I'm not sure how you don't understand that this kid is easily influenced. The mother did the same exact thing as the detectives, told him Steven did it and he agreed, just like his "confession".

Branden, the sky is red

Yeah.

No Branden the sky is purple.

Oh, yeah ok it is.

He goes along with anything you tell him to.

So what is the mom's motivation then for telling him that Steven did it?

 

[The Gator]

Not sure if this was posted yet if so please forgive the honda. I thought the conversation Brendan had on the phone with his mom from the Sheboygan County Jail was very interesting. Seems like she was pretty certain that Steven did it.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/lr7iif6ca3xp5sa/Transcript%20-%20May%2013%2C%202006%20(Dassey%20to%20Mother).pdf?dl=0

You can read the whole thing for yourself but some excerpts

M: You don't even have to say it Brendan

B: Why?

M: Because just by the way you are acting I know what it is

B: What

M: I don't want to say it over the phone

B: About what all happened?

M: Huh

B: About what all happened?

M: What all happened, what are you talking about?

B: About what me and Steven did that day

M: What about it?

B: Well, Mike & Mark & Matt came up one day and took another interview with me and said because they think I was lying but so, they said if I come out with it that Iwould have to go to jail for 90 years

M: What?

B: Ya, but if I came out with it I would probably get I dunno like 20 or less. After the interview they told me if I wanted to say something to her family and said that I was sorry for what I did.

M: Than Steven did do it

B: Ya

Then later

M: Why did you even go over there Brendan?

B: I dunno, I don't even know how I'm gonna do it in court though

M: What do you mean?

B: I ain't gonna face them

M: Face who?

B: Steven

M: You know what Brendan

B: What

M: I am gonna tell you something. He did it and you do what you gotta do

B: What will happen if he gets pissed off

M: What makes a difference, he ain't going no where now

B: No

M: Why didn't you tell me about this earlier? (Mom crying) Huh

B: ( ) Brendan's voice breaking up

The conversation then goes on about some other interesting allegations in there about how Steven molested Brendan

If I hadn't watched the documentary, and had read this transcript or heard it played, I'd have assumed it's an admission of guilt.

After having watched the documentary and knowing the context behind how this was orchestrated and why it was done, I have an entirely different opinion of it.

It was actually one of the most vile things in the entire show on the part of the police, and that's saying something.

But what I found interesting was that this was from a phone conversation he had from his jail cell to his mother. Not from the coerced confession. Do you think he was influenced yet by the confession in this conversation? Were the officers present when this phone call took place? How do you then explain his mom's reaction?

You still haven't watched the show, have you?

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Not sure if this was posted yet if so please forgive the honda. I thought the conversation Brendan had on the phone with his mom from the Sheboygan County Jail was very interesting. Seems like she was pretty certain that Steven did it.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/lr7iif6ca3xp5sa/Transcript%20-%20May%2013%2C%202006%20%28Dassey%20to%20Mother%29.pdf?dl=0

You can read the whole thing for yourself but some excerpts

M: You don't even have to say it Brendan

B: Why?

M: Because just by the way you are acting I know what it is

B: What

M: I don't want to say it over the phone

B: About what all happened?

M: Huh

B: About what all happened?

M: What all happened, what are you talking about?

B: About what me and Steven did that day

M: What about it?

B: Well, Mike & Mark & Matt came up one day and took another interview with me and said because they think I was lying but so, they said if I come out with it that Iwould have to go to jail for 90 years

M: What?

B: Ya, but if I came out with it I would probably get I dunno like 20 or less. After the interview they told me if I wanted to say something to her family and said that I was sorry for what I did.

M: Than Steven did do it

B: Ya

Then later

M: Why did you even go over there Brendan?

B: I dunno, I don't even know how I'm gonna do it in court though

M: What do you mean?

B: I ain't gonna face them

M: Face who?

B: Steven

M: You know what Brendan

B: What

M: I am gonna tell you something. He did it and you do what you gotta do

B: What will happen if he gets pissed off

M: What makes a difference, he ain't going no where now

B: No

M: Why didn't you tell me about this earlier? (Mom crying) Huh

B: ( ) Brendan's voice breaking up

The conversation then goes on about some other interesting allegations in there about how Steven molested Brendan

If I hadn't watched the documentary, and had read this transcript or heard it played, I'd have assumed it's an admission of guilt.

After having watched the documentary and knowing the context behind how this was orchestrated and why it was done, I have an entirely different opinion of it.

It was actually one of the most vile things in the entire show on the part of the police, and that's saying something.

But what I found interesting was that this was from a phone conversation he had from his jail cell to his mother. Not from the coerced confession. Do you think he was influenced yet by the confession in this conversation? Were the officers present when this phone call took place? How do you then explain his mom's reaction?

You really should watch the documentary.

The phone call by Brendan to his mom was orchestrated by Weigert and Fassbender (and never would have happened if Dassey had an attorney who was on his side at all).

Kachinsky arranged for his investigator, O'Kelly, to get a confession from Dassey. O'Kelly got what he wanted from Dassey, so he and Kachinsky immediately set up an interrogation of Dassey the next morning by Weigert and Fassbender. (Without Kachinsky being there.) Weigert and Fassbender were expecting Dassey to repeat all the really incriminating stuff that O'Kelly had him say, but unfortunately for them, he started backtracking, saying that the stuff never happened.

Weigert ant Fassbender got frustrated with Dassey and started telling him that Weigert was going to call Dassey's mom to tell her that he was lying to them, and that he was going to spend the rest of his life in jail because of it. How would she like that? If he doesn't want that to happen, he should call her and tell her what he told O'Kelley.

So Dassey called his mom at Weigert's strong urging.

Weigert testified at one of the hearings on a motion for retrial exactly why it happened. Weigert knew, of course, that the call (being from jail) would be recorded. Weigert wanted Dassey to call his mom and say incriminating stuff (to prevent himself from spending the rest of his life in jail) in a recorded call for use at trial.

You can kind of argue that Weigert was doing his job in trying to get a conviction. The real blame, IMO, is with Kachinsky. There's no way he should have allowed (much less arranged for) Dassey to be interrogated by Weigert and Fassbender outside of his presence. For that matter, there's no way he should have instructed O'Kelly to strong-arm him into a (very likely false) confession. But whatever he said to O'Kelly should have stayed with O'Kelly and Kachinsky. It NEVER should have been offered to Weigert.

Anyway, you should watch the documentary if you're interested in this stuff.

 

[SIDA!]

Okay, I'll keep a running tally:

A. KingPrawn & Mr. Pack (AWOL)

B.

C. Chet

B or C: Max Power, SIDA!, Dickies, Gator, Johnnymac, Avoiding Injuries, zoonation

A or B: Parrot

Wrong again. I've stated in several posts that I think there is a possibility that evidence may have been planted. But, hey, feel free to ignore those posts

Nothing about these options mentioned planted evidence or even centered on that issue. It was simply a question about three different scenarios of guilt or innocence.

It is absolutely comical how you will reference posts over and over that ask whether or not you believe Avery killed Teresa in the trailer or garage but still refuse to answer them.

First, I really didn't think it was necessary for me to answer seeing how you already answered for me

Second, I guess if I had previously said that evidence may have been planted it opens the door for C now doesn't it?

Third, I'm not really sure what you are really trying to accomplish here but what the heck, I'll play along. I'm probably somewhere along the lines of the previous poster who posted this:

I think he probably killed her. I don't think there's any way it happened in the house. I think it may have occurred in the garage. I don't trust much of what Brendan said but it does seem like he may have helped Steven clean up in the garage with bleach. I know there's a lot of talk about blood spatter, but how much spatter is there really from a .22?

I think he more than likely killed her. May or may not have happened in the house. If it did happen in the house I don't think it happened the way it was described. May have been more likely strangulation.

So about a 2% chance it happened in the house, just not the way it was described. More likely to have happened in the garage. Probably about a 5-10% chance it happened that way. What do I base this on? I remember reading somewhere that around 175-180 pieces of evidence were sent for DNA testing, I think 40 tested positive for blood (from the Dassey transcripts I believe). I don't believe there was discussion about where that blood came from or whose blood it was. If it came from the garage and was Halbach's then the % obviously would go way up. So about an 80-85% chance he killed her but just not the way described, but that is dependent on the possibility of the blood evidence.

Maybe a 5-10% that he did not kill her. And if you want me to further expand on that I'd say there is about 0% chance she committed suicide (as that would imply somebody would have to have burned her body and moved it to the Avery property, 0% chance the brother or ex-boyfriend killed her (sorry, I don't believe that just because there is something about the way he acted or the way he looked during a press conference is enough to place blame), most likely that somebody else within the Avery family killed her.

Happy?

Thanks for taking the time to reply.

I will move you out of the "A" only column when I make my next update. Poor Mr. Pack will be all by himself now.

As for suicide...I don't buy it. I think the brother theory is preposterous like you do. I think the ex boyfriend and roommate are greater than 0%, however.

If Avery didn't kill her...then I think the most likely culprit is another member of the Avery/Pterodactyl clans that were living on the property.

If you want to argue that she was killed in the garage or trailer without the use of a gun or knife (e.g. strangulation), then I am receptive to that.

Wow, didn't think you would ever agree on anything I ever posted.

Just curious, what % would you put on the ex-boyfriend or roommate? What is your theory as to how her body got to the Avery property? That's the problem I have with giving any credibility to that theory.

Well...if we are going to go with the theory that the ex boyfriend or roommate did it...I think we would have to assume that she had left the property after she photographed the van. Then she was killed somewhere...put back in the van...because I dont think the blood evidence supports her being killed in the van (at least not by gunshots) nor do i think she was hit over the head or strangled in the back of her van.

Then she would have had to have been taken somewhere to get dismembered and burned, right? Then the killer would have had to drive the van back to the avery compound...and find a way to get the bones into the fire pit. Seems pretty far fetched to me.

I put the ex or roommate at less than 1%

Parking a car on the outskirts of a large lot seems plausible to me. You could do that without being detected. I don't think walking onto someones property with a bag of charred bones and putting it in a fire pit is though. We have to assume that the ex or roommate know where to go on the property? I mean....knowing where a 40 acre business/salvage yard is one thing. Knowing which family members live where and having to risk walking the property when you know about a dozen people live there seems a bit much.

 

[Billy Bats]

I'm not sure how you don't understand that this kid is easily influenced. The mother did the same exact thing as the detectives, told him Steven did it and he agreed, just like his "confession".

Branden, the sky is red

Yeah.

No Branden the sky is purple.

Oh, yeah ok it is.

He goes along with anything you tell him to.

So what is the mom's motivation then for telling him that Steven did it?

I think that's just her way of defending her son and trying to convince him that he's innocent. They have a hard time expressing their thoughts, and possibly have a hard time gathering coherent thoughts sometimes. They're obviously not the brightest bulbs, this is an adult and 16yo neither of whom know what the word inconsistent means. The conversations between those two were some of the hardest parts to listen to.

 

[The Kerminator]

Not sure if this was posted yet if so please forgive the honda. I thought the conversation Brendan had on the phone with his mom from the Sheboygan County Jail was very interesting. Seems like she was pretty certain that Steven did it.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/lr7iif6ca3xp5sa/Transcript%20-%20May%2013%2C%202006%20%28Dassey%20to%20Mother%29.pdf?dl=0

You can read the whole thing for yourself but some excerpts

M: You don't even have to say it Brendan

B: Why?

M: Because just by the way you are acting I know what it is

B: What

M: I don't want to say it over the phone

B: About what all happened?

M: Huh

B: About what all happened?

M: What all happened, what are you talking about?

B: About what me and Steven did that day

M: What about it?

B: Well, Mike & Mark & Matt came up one day and took another interview with me and said because they think I was lying but so, they said if I come out with it that Iwould have to go to jail for 90 years

M: What?

B: Ya, but if I came out with it I would probably get I dunno like 20 or less. After the interview they told me if I wanted to say something to her family and said that I was sorry for what I did.

M: Than Steven did do it

B: Ya

Then later

M: Why did you even go over there Brendan?

B: I dunno, I don't even know how I'm gonna do it in court though

M: What do you mean?

B: I ain't gonna face them

M: Face who?

B: Steven

M: You know what Brendan

B: What

M: I am gonna tell you something. He did it and you do what you gotta do

B: What will happen if he gets pissed off

M: What makes a difference, he ain't going no where now

B: No

M: Why didn't you tell me about this earlier? (Mom crying) Huh

B: ( ) Brendan's voice breaking up

The conversation then goes on about some other interesting allegations in there about how Steven molested Brendan

If I hadn't watched the documentary, and had read this transcript or heard it played, I'd have assumed it's an admission of guilt.

After having watched the documentary and knowing the context behind how this was orchestrated and why it was done, I have an entirely different opinion of it.

It was actually one of the most vile things in the entire show on the part of the police, and that's saying something.

But what I found interesting was that this was from a phone conversation he had from his jail cell to his mother. Not from the coerced confession. Do you think he was influenced yet by the confession in this conversation? Were the officers present when this phone call took place? How do you then explain his mom's reaction?

You really should watch the documentary.

The phone call by Brendan to his mom was orchestrated by Weigert and Fassbender (and never would have happened if Dassey had an attorney who was on his side at all).

Kachinsky arranged for his investigator, O'Kelly, to get a confession from Dassey. O'Kelly got what he wanted from Dassey, so he and Kachinsky immediately set up an interrogation of Dassey the next morning by Weigert and Fassbender. (Without Kachinsky being there.) Weigert and Fassbender were expecting Dassey to repeat all the really incriminating stuff that O'Kelly had him say, but unfortunately for them, he started backtracking, saying that the stuff never happened.

Weigert ant Fassbender got frustrated with Dassey and started telling him that Weigert was going to call Dassey's mom to tell her that he was lying to them, and that he was going to spend the rest of his life in jail because of it. How would she like that? If he doesn't want that to happen, he should call her and tell her what he told O'Kelley.

So Dassey called his mom at Weigert's strong urging.

Weigert testified at one of the hearings on a motion for retrial exactly why it happened. Weigert knew, of course, that the call (being from jail) would be recorded. Weigert wanted Dassey to call his mom and say incriminating stuff (to prevent himself from spending the rest of his life in jail) in a recorded call for use at trial.

You can kind of argue that Weigert was doing his job in trying to get a conviction. The real blame, IMO, is with Kachinsky. There's no way he should have allowed (much less arranged for) Dassey to be interrogated by Weigert and Fassbender outside of his presence. For that matter, there's no way he should have instructed O'Kelly to strong-arm him into a (very likely false) confession. But whatever he said to O'Kelly should have stayed with O'Kelly and Kachinsky. It NEVER should have been offered to Weigert.

Anyway, you should watch the documentary if you're interested in this stuff.

I get all that. But that's not the point I was trying to make. She doesn't seem to doubt that Steven was capable of doing this at all. It struck me as a strange reaction. But apparently not so much to others.

 

[TheMagus]

A lot of people thought he did it, including many that were close to him. Which goes back to the discussion way earlier in this thread about Steven not exactly being some angelic icon.

And this is why I'm probably dead set at 50-50 between B and C. I keep swaying back and forth.

 

[Binky The Doormat]

A lot of people thought he did it, including many that were close to him. Which goes back to the discussion way earlier in this thread about Steven not exactly being some angelic icon.

And this is why I'm probably dead set at 50-50 between B and C. I keep swaying back and forth.

Lockem all up.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I get all that. But that's not the point I was trying to make. She doesn't seem to doubt that Steven was capable of doing this at all. It struck me as a strange reaction. But apparently not so much to others.

If the two main choices you're considering at the moment are that your son did it or Steven Avery did it, you're not going to have any problem believing that Steven Avery could have done it. (Unless you're Steven Avery's mom, in which case you've got yourself a paradox of sorts.)

 

[The Kerminator]

I get all that. But that's not the point I was trying to make. She doesn't seem to doubt that Steven was capable of doing this at all. It struck me as a strange reaction. But apparently not so much to others.

If the two main choices you're considering at the moment are that your son did it or Steven Avery did it, you're not going to have any problem believing that Steven Avery could have done it. (Unless you're Steven Avery's mom, in which case you've got yourself a paradox of sorts.)

I can buy that. But why wouldn't she consider others? Why wouldn't she consider other relatives? Steven Avery also was saying in interviews several days before he was arrested that he was gong to be set up. Then why would she consider only her son and Steven as suspects?

 

[The Gator]

I get all that. But that's not the point I was trying to make. She doesn't seem to doubt that Steven was capable of doing this at all. It struck me as a strange reaction. But apparently not so much to others.

If the two main choices you're considering at the moment are that your son did it or Steven Avery did it, you're not going to have any problem believing that Steven Avery could have done it. (Unless you're Steven Avery's mom, in which case you've got yourself a paradox of sorts.)

I can buy that. But why wouldn't she consider others? Why wouldn't she consider other relatives? Steven Avery also was saying in interviews several days before he was arrested that he was gong to be set up. Then why would she consider only her son and Steven as suspects?

Because the cops told the media Steven did it. That's what the mom and everyone else was fed by the media

 

[The Kerminator]

I get all that. But that's not the point I was trying to make. She doesn't seem to doubt that Steven was capable of doing this at all. It struck me as a strange reaction. But apparently not so much to others.

If the two main choices you're considering at the moment are that your son did it or Steven Avery did it, you're not going to have any problem believing that Steven Avery could have done it. (Unless you're Steven Avery's mom, in which case you've got yourself a paradox of sorts.)

I can buy that. But why wouldn't she consider others? Why wouldn't she consider other relatives? Steven Avery also was saying in interviews several days before he was arrested that he was gong to be set up. Then why would she consider only her son and Steven as suspects?

Because the cops told the media Steven did it. That's what the mom and everyone else was fed by the media

I don't buy that. If you are related to a person who are you going to believe? Your relative? Or the cops? And if your relative is stating that he is going to be set up by the cops who are you going to believe? And if your relative was previously set up by the cops who are you going to believe?

Just seems like a strange reaction to me.

 

[Michael Brown]

I get all that. But that's not the point I was trying to make. She doesn't seem to doubt that Steven was capable of doing this at all. It struck me as a strange reaction. But apparently not so much to others.

If the two main choices you're considering at the moment are that your son did it or Steven Avery did it, you're not going to have any problem believing that Steven Avery could have done it. (Unless you're Steven Avery's mom, in which case you've got yourself a paradox of sorts.)

I can buy that. But why wouldn't she consider others? Why wouldn't she consider other relatives? Steven Avery also was saying in interviews several days before he was arrested that he was gong to be set up. Then why would she consider only her son and Steven as suspects?

Because the cops told the media Steven did it. That's what the mom and everyone else was fed by the media

I don't buy that. If you are related to a person who are you going to believe? Your relative? Or the cops? And if your relative is stating that he is going to be set up by the cops who are you going to believe? And if your relative was previously set up by the cops who are you going to believe?

Just seems like a strange reaction to me.

Watching the documentary and seeing this woman in interviews, makes everything she does here fit right in character. If anything, she wanted Steven to be guilty of it because in her mind it would mean Brendan either didn't do it or he was coerced by Steven. She goes back and forth throughout the documentary between believing SA is innocent, to guilty, to basically bullying Brendan into helping him, back to innocent, to every emotion there is. Reading it in black and white doesn't really give the context needed.

 

[cockroach]

I get all that. But that's not the point I was trying to make. She doesn't seem to doubt that Steven was capable of doing this at all. It struck me as a strange reaction. But apparently not so much to others.

If the two main choices you're considering at the moment are that your son did it or Steven Avery did it, you're not going to have any problem believing that Steven Avery could have done it. (Unless you're Steven Avery's mom, in which case you've got yourself a paradox of sorts.)

I can buy that. But why wouldn't she consider others? Why wouldn't she consider other relatives? Steven Avery also was saying in interviews several days before he was arrested that he was gong to be set up. Then why would she consider only her son and Steven as suspects?

it's like a 2 min phone call. How much can we really glean from what she thinks based on this? Is she supposed to break out her alternate suspects list?

What about when she's screaming in the streets after her son was convicted that she thinks the Hallbachs have something to do with it?

 

[bucksoh]

I think she committed suicide, or her ex boyfriend killed her. The police found her body. Which explains the cop calling in the license plate. Explains why all the evidence found on SA property was planted, and also explains Halbachs(sp?) video. No one else thinks this.?

Been thinking about this idea for a bit today. The bolded is the part I can't get past. They would have had to know just where to look, and when to look there - to be the only ones to see her dead, but not (yet) burned. They'd then have to move the body from wherever it was and move it to SA's burnpit without any Avery knowing so that he could (unknowingly) light her on fire - or burn the body themselves without anyone else knowing and move the remains to the burnpit during one of the searches. How does Lenk and/or Colburn and whoever else is potentially involved find the body without anyone else knowing or seeing anything - then burn it without anyone else knowing about it?

Same way they found the car before anyone else knew about it?

Finding a car and finding a body are two different things.

Not really. Seems easy that she could be close to or in her own car.

And if in it (and dead) for 3-4 days (from the 31st of October till it was "found" November 3rd) - that's going to leave some trail that would have been discovered. Blood, evidence of a decaying body, horrible smell.

Most suicides I believe I read, when they shoot themselves don't do it in the car, they do it away cause they don't want to mess up their things. Explains why there was only a small amount of blood in the back of the car at least to me.

 

[bucksoh]

While I feel awful for Teresa's family, there is something so unsettling about the brother that I really disliked the brother after watching that series. Whether intentional or not by the filmmakers, that's one of the things that bothered me the most about how I felt about the people involved in this. I should be feeling badly for him and there's something about him that I truly don't like and don't trust even though I can't come up with a scenario that has him involved in her death.

Also don't feel sorry for the brother.

 

[bucksoh]

Not sure if this was posted yet if so please forgive the honda. I thought the conversation Brendan had on the phone with his mom from the Sheboygan County Jail was very interesting. Seems like she was pretty certain that Steven did it.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/lr7iif6ca3xp5sa/Transcript%20-%20May%2013%2C%202006%20%28Dassey%20to%20Mother%29.pdf?dl=0

You can read the whole thing for yourself but some excerpts

M: You don't even have to say it Brendan

B: Why?

M: Because just by the way you are acting I know what it is

B: What

M: I don't want to say it over the phone

B: About what all happened?

M: Huh

B: About what all happened?

M: What all happened, what are you talking about?

B: About what me and Steven did that day

M: What about it?

B: Well, Mike & Mark & Matt came up one day and took another interview with me and said because they think I was lying but so, they said if I come out with it that Iwould have to go to jail for 90 years

M: What?

B: Ya, but if I came out with it I would probably get I dunno like 20 or less. After the interview they told me if I wanted to say something to her family and said that I was sorry for what I did.

M: Than Steven did do it

B: Ya

Then later

M: Why did you even go over there Brendan?

B: I dunno, I don't even know how I'm gonna do it in court though

M: What do you mean?

B: I ain't gonna face them

M: Face who?

B: Steven

M: You know what Brendan

B: What

M: I am gonna tell you something. He did it and you do what you gotta do

B: What will happen if he gets pissed off

M: What makes a difference, he ain't going no where now

B: No

M: Why didn't you tell me about this earlier? (Mom crying) Huh

B: ( ) Brendan's voice breaking up

The conversation then goes on about some other interesting allegations in there about how Steven molested Brendan

If I hadn't watched the documentary, and had read this transcript or heard it played, I'd have assumed it's an admission of guilt.

After having watched the documentary and knowing the context behind how this was orchestrated and why it was done, I have an entirely different opinion of it.

It was actually one of the most vile things in the entire show on the part of the police, and that's saying something.

But what I found interesting was that this was from a phone conversation he had from his jail cell to his mother. Not from the coerced confession. Do you think he was influenced yet by the confession in this conversation? Were the officers present when this phone call took place? How do you then explain his mom's reaction?

Seriously did you even watch the show yet?

 

[bucksoh]

A lot of people thought he did it, including many that were close to him. Which goes back to the discussion way earlier in this thread about Steven not exactly being some angelic icon.

And this is why I'm probably dead set at 50-50 between B and C. I keep swaying back and forth.

Most people will believe anything the news and police tell them. Don't you think?

 

[bucksoh]

This story just keeps getting crazier.

Apparently Teresa's father died when he was 31 and she was 8. I'm unsure what the cause of death was, but it could be why she made that strange video about dying young.

The odd part is that Teresa's mother re-married her uncle (the father's younger brother). There is some debate if Mike is actually her brother or her step-brother/cousin.

Explains why the brother, and ex boyfriend deleted the text messages, and why the brother is such a creep.

 

[Daywalker]

If Avery did it. How did brendan get involved?

Brendan said in one instance he heard screams at 5pmish. Another confession is Avery called him over around 730ish. Think the 730 timeline was what the prosecution went with.

So Avery just called him over to rape and murder with him?

 

[Daywalker]

Think Avery did it but got to say most of the missing evidence left out is weak.

Even Avery calling her 3 times that day not weird considering they had an appointment.

He killed a cat 25 years earlier? Oh wow.

 

[Daywalker]

Avery attorney Dean Strang:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/dean-strang-missing-evidence-making-a-murderer_568d51b3e4b0c8beacf53b78

Autotrader said she was willing to go back to see Avery. She was not freaked out. More grossed out.

Last call to her from Avery not a *67 call.

God, the interviewer is brutal and inappropriate. Pathetic last question.

I do kind of get the sense that Strang is more outraged over the process then Avery being in jail. Just my two cents from his limited responses.