Making A Murderer (Netflix) (Spoilers) (1 Viewer)

[Cjw_55106]

Whatever it compares to, I like it.

 

[General Malaise]

This is a long thread so I may have missed it but have we talked about the hot reporter yet? And how funny her looks are whenever the prosecutor speaks? She clearly thinks he's full of ####.

She was mentioned, and she is hot! Don't know her name though.

Yeah, she's one of my favorite characters. Hope we see more of her somehow. Really liked her and she is stunning, IMO.

 

[General Malaise]

This is a long thread so I may have missed it but have we talked about the hot reporter yet? And how funny her looks are whenever the prosecutor speaks? She clearly thinks he's full of ####.

She was mentioned, and she is hot! Don't know her name though.

Yeah, she's one of my favorite characters. Hope we see more of her somehow. Really liked her and she is stunning, IMO.

OTH

 

[TobiasFunke]

This is a long thread so I may have missed it but have we talked about the hot reporter yet? And how funny her looks are whenever the prosecutor speaks? She clearly thinks he's full of ####.

She was mentioned, and she is hot! Don't know her name though.

Yeah, she's one of my favorite characters. Hope we see more of her somehow. Really liked her and she is stunning, IMO.

I linked to her facebook page a few posts up. Here's her twitter page, where she seems to be willing to engage people about the case and the documentary. Some interesting perspective from her.

Wish I could take credit for the iStalking, but I just stumbled on it when this showed up in my twitter feed (Barb Janda robbed here IMO).

 

[whoknew]

This is a long thread so I may have missed it but have we talked about the hot reporter yet? And how funny her looks are whenever the prosecutor speaks? She clearly thinks he's full of ####.

She was mentioned, and she is hot! Don't know her name though.

Yeah, she's one of my favorite characters. Hope we see more of her somehow. Really liked her and she is stunning, IMO.

OTH

Damn you.

 

[Wrigley]

This is a long thread so I may have missed it but have we talked about the hot reporter yet? And how funny her looks are whenever the prosecutor speaks? She clearly thinks he's full of ####.

She was mentioned, and she is hot! Don't know her name though.

Yeah, she's one of my favorite characters. Hope we see more of her somehow. Really liked her and she is stunning, IMO.

OTH

Damn you.

10 years will do that to you

 

[bigmarc27]

Anybody else think the intro has a "Deadwood" feel to it??

I kept thinking the very start of Game of Thrones.

Game of thrones music with True Detective season 1 intro visuals.

 

[The Noid]

Avery’s worst decision was not electing to bring an alternate juror in, to make it 12, when the one got excused. You only need one juror to be on your side and stubborn, and he decreased his odds. He should have studied up on the Monty Hall problem.

Speaking of that juror, what was with the dismissed juror becoming a creepy groupie, attending the appeals?

 

[parrot]

Anybody else think the intro has a "Deadwood" feel to it??

I kept thinking the very start of Game of Thrones.

This.

 

[General Malaise]

From her FB Page....Oh, Hello Shuke!

 

[matttyl]

I think she committed suicide, or her ex boyfriend killed her. The police found her body. Which explains the cop calling in the license plate. Explains why all the evidence found on SA property was planted, and also explains Halbachs(sp?) video. No one else thinks this.?

Been thinking about this idea for a bit today. The bolded is the part I can't get past. They would have had to know just where to look, and when to look there - to be the only ones to see her dead, but not (yet) burned. They'd then have to move the body from wherever it was and move it to SA's burnpit without any Avery knowing so that he could (unknowingly) light her on fire - or burn the body themselves without anyone else knowing and move the remains to the burnpit during one of the searches.

How does Lenk and/or Colburn and whoever else is potentially involved find the body without anyone else knowing or seeing anything - then burn it without anyone else knowing about it?

 

[Hooper31]

I'm looking into the timeline. They started creating this in 2005 - when the two producers were in film school. I don't think they started this project with the intent to make a whole lot of money - especially considering their ultimate buyer didn't really even exist yet.

A little background on the making of it. Interesting stuff.

Thanks for sharing that. Interesting stuff.

 

[Zow]

Anybody else think the intro has a "Deadwood" feel to it??

I kept thinking the very start of Game of Thrones.

Game of thrones music with True Detective season 1 intro visuals.

yep

 

[ericttspikes]

This is a long thread so I may have missed it but have we talked about the hot reporter yet? And how funny her looks are whenever the prosecutor speaks? She clearly thinks he's full of ####.

She was mentioned, and she is hot! Don't know her name though.

Yeah, she's one of my favorite characters. Hope we see more of her somehow. Really liked her and she is stunning, IMO.

OTH

Damn you.

10 years will do that to you

was hot. wow.

 

[The Gator]

I think she committed suicide, or her ex boyfriend killed her. The police found her body. Which explains the cop calling in the license plate. Explains why all the evidence found on SA property was planted, and also explains Halbachs(sp?) video. No one else thinks this.?

Been thinking about this idea for a bit today. The bolded is the part I can't get past. They would have had to know just where to look, and when to look there - to be the only ones to see her dead, but not (yet) burned. They'd then have to move the body from wherever it was and move it to SA's burnpit without any Avery knowing so that he could (unknowingly) light her on fire - or burn the body themselves without anyone else knowing and move the remains to the burnpit during one of the searches. How does Lenk and/or Colburn and whoever else is potentially involved find the body without anyone else knowing or seeing anything - then burn it without anyone else knowing about it?

Same way they found the car before anyone else knew about it?

 

[AcerFC]

Averys worst decision was not electing to bring an alternate juror in, to make it 12, when the one got excused. You only need one juror to be on your side and stubborn, and he decreased his odds. He should have studied up on the Monty Hall problem.

Speaking of that juror, what was with the dismissed juror becoming a creepy groupie, attending the appeals?

I thought he did select an alternateWhat I want to know, is who was the international recording artist

 

[Cjw_55106]

Averys worst decision was not electing to bring an alternate juror in, to make it 12, when the one got excused. You only need one juror to be on your side and stubborn, and he decreased his odds. He should have studied up on the Monty Hall problem.

Speaking of that juror, what was with the dismissed juror becoming a creepy groupie, attending the appeals?

I thought he did select an alternateWhat I want to know, is who was the international recording artist

I believe this is true.

 

[JB Breakfast Club]

Anybody else think the intro has a "Deadwood" feel to it??

Carnivale.

 

[Billy Bats]

I think she committed suicide, or her ex boyfriend killed her. The police found her body. Which explains the cop calling in the license plate. Explains why all the evidence found on SA property was planted, and also explains Halbachs(sp?) video. No one else thinks this.?

Been thinking about this idea for a bit today. The bolded is the part I can't get past. They would have had to know just where to look, and when to look there - to be the only ones to see her dead, but not (yet) burned. They'd then have to move the body from wherever it was and move it to SA's burnpit without any Avery knowing so that he could (unknowingly) light her on fire - or burn the body themselves without anyone else knowing and move the remains to the burnpit during one of the searches. How does Lenk and/or Colburn and whoever else is potentially involved find the body without anyone else knowing or seeing anything - then burn it without anyone else knowing about it?

Well Colbourn called in the plates and make of car two days before it was found, so they may possibly had a head start. Then the Avery compound was shut down for 8 days with roadblocks setup and had full control of what went in and out. Anything could've happened under their full control in 10 days.

 

[matttyl]

I think she committed suicide, or her ex boyfriend killed her. The police found her body. Which explains the cop calling in the license plate. Explains why all the evidence found on SA property was planted, and also explains Halbachs(sp?) video. No one else thinks this.?

Been thinking about this idea for a bit today. The bolded is the part I can't get past. They would have had to know just where to look, and when to look there - to be the only ones to see her dead, but not (yet) burned. They'd then have to move the body from wherever it was and move it to SA's burnpit without any Avery knowing so that he could (unknowingly) light her on fire - or burn the body themselves without anyone else knowing and move the remains to the burnpit during one of the searches. How does Lenk and/or Colburn and whoever else is potentially involved find the body without anyone else knowing or seeing anything - then burn it without anyone else knowing about it?

Same way they found the car before anyone else knew about it?

Finding a car and finding a body are two different things.

 

[cockroach]

Juror reaches out to filmmakers

"That was the actual word the juror used and went on to describe the jurors ultimately trading votes in the jury room and explicitly discussing, 'If you vote guilty on this count, I will vote not guilty on this count,'" Ricciardi said.

"So that was a significant revelation."

The juror also said he or she voted to convict, but claimed the decision came under duress.

Compromise was the "actual word" in that article.

But if anyone wants to poopoo the notion that jurors weren't possibly under duress and that it was unlikely that they'd be targeted if the held out and caused a mistrial.... what about Jodi? They straight ran his GF out of town. With her record and propensity for drinking I'm sure it wasn't too difficult. That also shows the complete malice that the officers had for him. She didn't really have anything that could help him with the case... she was a pretty good alibi with those calls, but that was recorded, she didn't need to testify. No, she was just too much moral support for him so they ran her out of town to try to crush his hope or something.

 

[matttyl]

I think she committed suicide, or her ex boyfriend killed her. The police found her body. Which explains the cop calling in the license plate. Explains why all the evidence found on SA property was planted, and also explains Halbachs(sp?) video. No one else thinks this.?

Been thinking about this idea for a bit today. The bolded is the part I can't get past. They would have had to know just where to look, and when to look there - to be the only ones to see her dead, but not (yet) burned. They'd then have to move the body from wherever it was and move it to SA's burnpit without any Avery knowing so that he could (unknowingly) light her on fire - or burn the body themselves without anyone else knowing and move the remains to the burnpit during one of the searches. How does Lenk and/or Colburn and whoever else is potentially involved find the body without anyone else knowing or seeing anything - then burn it without anyone else knowing about it?

Well Colbourn called in the plates and make of car two days before it was found, so they may possibly had a head start. Then the Avery compound was shut down for 8 days with roadblocks setup and had full control of what went in and out. Anything could've happened under their full control in 10 days.

So she goes missing the 31st. The police find the car (presumably with her in it, dead) on the 3rd, and make the call. So we're assuming that she is missing (anyone looking during this time?) for those 4 days, apparently in her car dead somewhere - and the first person to come across it is Colburn 4 days later? It sat somewhere with a dead body in it for 4 days and no one saw anything till a cop finds it out of the clear blue sky?

ETA - how does she kill herself in the car, and leave no blood or anything? Only explanation there would be overdose.

 

[MattFancy]

Juror reaches out to filmmakers

"That was the actual word the juror used and went on to describe the jurors ultimately trading votes in the jury room and explicitly discussing, 'If you vote guilty on this count, I will vote not guilty on this count,'" Ricciardi said.

"So that was a significant revelation."

The juror also said he or she voted to convict, but claimed the decision came under duress.

Compromise was the "actual word" in that article.

But if anyone wants to poopoo the notion that jurors weren't possibly under duress and that it was unlikely that they'd be targeted if the held out and caused a mistrial.... what about Jodi? They straight ran his GF out of town. With her record and propensity for drinking I'm sure it wasn't too difficult. That also shows the complete malice that the officers had for him. She didn't really have anything that could help him with the case... she was a pretty good alibi with those calls, but that was recorded, she didn't need to testify. No, she was just too much moral support for him so they ran her out of town to try to crush his hope or something.

The juror thing makes total sense to me now looking back.

When watching, my wife and I thought it was incredibly strange that they found him guilty of 1st degree murder, but not guilty of mutilating her body. That never made sense to me. But now, with the juror coming forward and said they essentially compromised on charges, I could totally buy that.

And agree on Jodi being run out of town. That was totally what the cops were hoping for there.

 

[matttyl]

As mentioned in I think episode 8 - being found guilty on charge 1 made everything else meaningless. Guilty on that alone meant life in prison. Not really a compromise to find him guilty of one thing that puts him in prison for life but not another that does the same thing. I just think they didn't produce enough evidence to show he did in fact "mutilate" her.

 

[MattFancy]

As mentioned in I think episode 8 - being found guilty on charge 1 made everything else meaningless. Guilty on that alone meant life in prison. Not really a compromise to find him guilty of one thing that puts him in prison for life but not another that does the same thing. I just think they didn't produce enough evidence to show he did in fact "mutilate" her.

But then Brendan was found guilty of that charge.

If you're saying he murdered her, but didn't burn her body, then who burned the body? Brendan?

 

[matttyl]

As mentioned in I think episode 8 - being found guilty on charge 1 made everything else meaningless. Guilty on that alone meant life in prison. Not really a compromise to find him guilty of one thing that puts him in prison for life but not another that does the same thing. I just think they didn't produce enough evidence to show he did in fact "mutilate" her.

But then Brendan was found guilty of that charge.

If you're saying he murdered her, but didn't burn her body, then who burned the body? Brendan?

Well, he confessed to it.

 

[MattFancy]

As mentioned in I think episode 8 - being found guilty on charge 1 made everything else meaningless. Guilty on that alone meant life in prison. Not really a compromise to find him guilty of one thing that puts him in prison for life but not another that does the same thing. I just think they didn't produce enough evidence to show he did in fact "mutilate" her.

But then Brendan was found guilty of that charge.

If you're saying he murdered her, but didn't burn her body, then who burned the body? Brendan?

Well, he confessed to it.

Maybe I missed that part, but he specifically said that he burned the body and not Steven?

Either way, I definitely think the jury compromised on that charge. If you say he was guilty of the murder and was seen as the main mastermind behind the whole thing, how do you not find him guilty of mutilating the body also? Just doesn't make sense to me.

If you're saying they didn't find him guilty of it because it didn't matter because of the 1st degree murder charge, then why find him guilty on the firearm one too?

 

[soothsayer]

Question - was there any physical evidence tying Brendan to anything? It seems to me he was convicted solely based on his "confession". Am I just not remembering any evidence being presented or did none exist?

 

[Cjw_55106]

Question - was there any physical evidence tying Brendan to anything? It seems to me he was convicted solely based on his "confession". Am I just not remembering any evidence being presented or did none exist?

None.

 

[SIDA!]

Question - was there any physical evidence tying Brendan to anything? It seems to me he was convicted solely based on his "confession". Am I just not remembering any evidence being presented or did none exist?

Only his confession. Strangely...the documentary didn't elaborate on why his defense team did not ask the jury to see the entire interview where he was badgered and guessed how he killed her a half dozen times and spoke to his mom afterwards about how they got in his head.

Police: What did you do to her?

Dassey: I...um...I punched her in the head.

Police: What else? Tell us the truth...what else happened to her head.

Dassey: Um...I put her in a headlock and then gave her a DDT.

Police: What else Brendan? There is something you aren't telling us. You need to be honest with us, Brendan. We can't help you if you aren't honest.

Dassey: Umm...I slit her throat.

Police: What else Brendan! What else did you do to her head. Did you shoot her.

Dassey: Yeah...yeah...I shot her in the head. Can I go to 6th hour now?

 

[BeTheMatch]

Question - was there any physical evidence tying Brendan to anything? It seems to me he was convicted solely based on his "confession". Am I just not remembering any evidence being presented or did none exist?

Only his confession. Strangely...the documentary didn't elaborate on why his defense team did not ask the jury to see the entire interview where he was badgered and guessed how he killed her a half dozen times and spoke to his mom afterwards about how they got in his head.

Police: What did you do to her?

Dassey: I...um...I punched her in the head.

Police: What else? Tell us the truth...what else happened to her head.

Dassey: Um...I put her in a headlock and then gave her a DDT.

Police: What else Brendan? There is something you aren't telling us. You need to be honest with us, Brendan. We can't help you if you aren't honest.

Dassey: Umm...I slit her throat.

Police: What else Brendan! What else did you do to her head. Did you shoot her.

Dassey: Yeah...yeah...I shot her in the head. Can I go to 6th hour now?

It said the jury watched every second of the "confession"

 

[The Gator]

I think she committed suicide, or her ex boyfriend killed her. The police found her body. Which explains the cop calling in the license plate. Explains why all the evidence found on SA property was planted, and also explains Halbachs(sp?) video. No one else thinks this.?

Been thinking about this idea for a bit today. The bolded is the part I can't get past. They would have had to know just where to look, and when to look there - to be the only ones to see her dead, but not (yet) burned. They'd then have to move the body from wherever it was and move it to SA's burnpit without any Avery knowing so that he could (unknowingly) light her on fire - or burn the body themselves without anyone else knowing and move the remains to the burnpit during one of the searches. How does Lenk and/or Colburn and whoever else is potentially involved find the body without anyone else knowing or seeing anything - then burn it without anyone else knowing about it?

Same way they found the car before anyone else knew about it?

Finding a car and finding a body are two different things.

Not really. Seems easy that she could be close to or in her own car.

 

[SIDA!]

Question - was there any physical evidence tying Brendan to anything? It seems to me he was convicted solely based on his "confession". Am I just not remembering any evidence being presented or did none exist?

Only his confession. Strangely...the documentary didn't elaborate on why his defense team did not ask the jury to see the entire interview where he was badgered and guessed how he killed her a half dozen times and spoke to his mom afterwards about how they got in his head.

Police: What did you do to her?

Dassey: I...um...I punched her in the head.

Police: What else? Tell us the truth...what else happened to her head.

Dassey: Um...I put her in a headlock and then gave her a DDT.

Police: What else Brendan? There is something you aren't telling us. You need to be honest with us, Brendan. We can't help you if you aren't honest.

Dassey: Umm...I slit her throat.

Police: What else Brendan! What else did you do to her head. Did you shoot her.

Dassey: Yeah...yeah...I shot her in the head. Can I go to 6th hour now?

It said the jury watched every second of the "confession"

yes. i was referring to the part where after the interview his mother comes into the room and they talk and he says that they got into his head. his defense team didn't ask the jury to see that part of the video which I found odd.

 

[MattFancy]

Question - was there any physical evidence tying Brendan to anything? It seems to me he was convicted solely based on his "confession". Am I just not remembering any evidence being presented or did none exist?

Only his confession. Strangely...the documentary didn't elaborate on why his defense team did not ask the jury to see the entire interview where he was badgered and guessed how he killed her a half dozen times and spoke to his mom afterwards about how they got in his head.

Police: What did you do to her?

Dassey: I...um...I punched her in the head.

Police: What else? Tell us the truth...what else happened to her head.

Dassey: Um...I put her in a headlock and then gave her a DDT.

Police: What else Brendan? There is something you aren't telling us. You need to be honest with us, Brendan. We can't help you if you aren't honest.

Dassey: Umm...I slit her throat.

Police: What else Brendan! What else did you do to her head. Did you shoot her.

Dassey: Yeah...yeah...I shot her in the head. Can I go to 6th hour now?

It said the jury watched every second of the "confession"

Nope. The prosecution asked during the case if they could stop showing the confession because the rest of the tape wasn't anything important. For some reason, the defense agreed. Even though there was some pretty important stuff at the end that would have helped the defense.

 

[cockroach]

Does anyone know if this is going to be a series? I would love to see them do a season on Barry Beach. It has many similar elements to the Avery case. He was imprisoned for 31 years for a murder he probably didn't commit, based on a coerced confession and in spite of physical evidence indicating someone else was responsible. There has been scuttlebutt that various members of a group of girls have admitted to it over the years but were protected by relatives in law enforcement. One of the girls' fathers was a police officer and actually broke into the evidence room at one point, rendering some evidence in the Beach trial inadmissable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Beach

"A bloody palm print was found on the passenger door. An FBI investigation later determined that the palm print must have been left by the killer."

"After the murder, Beach moved to Louisiana to live with his father. In 1983, Beach was arrested after his stepmother called the police, claiming Beach had helped his stepsister skip school. Beach’s stepmother revealed to police that Beach had been questioned for Nees’ murder. The police were investigating the murder of three women at the time of Beach’s arrest. Beach was interrogated over these murders and the murder of Nees. Initially, Beach denied involvement in Nees’ murder, but after two days of questioning, he confessed to Nees’ murder.[4] He also confessed to the murder of the three Louisiana women but was later cleared of these murders because Beach was not in Louisiana at the time of these murders.[7]"

"The prosecution also said that the bloody palm print found on the truck might have belonged to Kim to explain why the print did not belong to Beach. However, multiple police reports concluded that the print belonged to neither Nees nor Beach.[8]"

Beach was just recently granted clemency. Marc Racicot was the original prosecutor of this case and later became the Governor of Montana. He was a hugely influential guy in Montana politics for decades. Many people think that's why Beach stayed in jail as long as he did.

Dateline spot on the Beach case if anyone is interested;

http://www.nbcnews.com/video/dateline/52659380#52659380

Aw man :( Just brutal... ugh! I didn't see that going like that

 

[matttyl]

As mentioned in I think episode 8 - being found guilty on charge 1 made everything else meaningless. Guilty on that alone meant life in prison. Not really a compromise to find him guilty of one thing that puts him in prison for life but not another that does the same thing. I just think they didn't produce enough evidence to show he did in fact "mutilate" her.

But then Brendan was found guilty of that charge.

If you're saying he murdered her, but didn't burn her body, then who burned the body? Brendan?

Well, he confessed to it.

Maybe I missed that part, but he specifically said that he burned the body and not Steven?

Either way, I definitely think the jury compromised on that charge. If you say he was guilty of the murder and was seen as the main mastermind behind the whole thing, how do you not find him guilty of mutilating the body also? Just doesn't make sense to me.

If you're saying they didn't find him guilty of it because it didn't matter because of the 1st degree murder charge, then why find him guilty on the firearm one too?

What was that charge?

 

[matttyl]

Question - was there any physical evidence tying Brendan to anything? It seems to me he was convicted solely based on his "confession". Am I just not remembering any evidence being presented or did none exist?

He apparently had bleach stains on a pair of pants/shorts. Procession says they came from him helping clean up the garage.

 

[matttyl]

I think she committed suicide, or her ex boyfriend killed her. The police found her body. Which explains the cop calling in the license plate. Explains why all the evidence found on SA property was planted, and also explains Halbachs(sp?) video. No one else thinks this.?

Been thinking about this idea for a bit today. The bolded is the part I can't get past. They would have had to know just where to look, and when to look there - to be the only ones to see her dead, but not (yet) burned. They'd then have to move the body from wherever it was and move it to SA's burnpit without any Avery knowing so that he could (unknowingly) light her on fire - or burn the body themselves without anyone else knowing and move the remains to the burnpit during one of the searches. How does Lenk and/or Colburn and whoever else is potentially involved find the body without anyone else knowing or seeing anything - then burn it without anyone else knowing about it?

Same way they found the car before anyone else knew about it?

Finding a car and finding a body are two different things.

Not really. Seems easy that she could be close to or in her own car.

And if in it (and dead) for 3-4 days (from the 31st of October till it was "found" November 3rd) - that's going to leave some trail that would have been discovered. Blood, evidence of a decaying body, horrible smell.

 

[Sabertooth]

Juror reaches out to filmmakers

"That was the actual word the juror used and went on to describe the jurors ultimately trading votes in the jury room and explicitly discussing, 'If you vote guilty on this count, I will vote not guilty on this count,'" Ricciardi said.

"So that was a significant revelation."

The juror also said he or she voted to convict, but claimed the decision came under duress.

Wow

 

[parrot]

Does anyone know if this is going to be a series? I would love to see them do a season on Barry Beach. It has many similar elements to the Avery case. He was imprisoned for 31 years for a murder he probably didn't commit, based on a coerced confession and in spite of physical evidence indicating someone else was responsible. There has been scuttlebutt that various members of a group of girls have admitted to it over the years but were protected by relatives in law enforcement. One of the girls' fathers was a police officer and actually broke into the evidence room at one point, rendering some evidence in the Beach trial inadmissable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Beach

"A bloody palm print was found on the passenger door. An FBI investigation later determined that the palm print must have been left by the killer."

"After the murder, Beach moved to Louisiana to live with his father. In 1983, Beach was arrested after his stepmother called the police, claiming Beach had helped his stepsister skip school. Beach’s stepmother revealed to police that Beach had been questioned for Nees’ murder. The police were investigating the murder of three women at the time of Beach’s arrest. Beach was interrogated over these murders and the murder of Nees. Initially, Beach denied involvement in Nees’ murder, but after two days of questioning, he confessed to Nees’ murder.[4] He also confessed to the murder of the three Louisiana women but was later cleared of these murders because Beach was not in Louisiana at the time of these murders.[7]"

"The prosecution also said that the bloody palm print found on the truck might have belonged to Kim to explain why the print did not belong to Beach. However, multiple police reports concluded that the print belonged to neither Nees nor Beach.[8]"

Beach was just recently granted clemency. Marc Racicot was the original prosecutor of this case and later became the Governor of Montana. He was a hugely influential guy in Montana politics for decades. Many people think that's why Beach stayed in jail as long as he did.

Dateline spot on the Beach case if anyone is interested;

http://www.nbcnews.com/video/dateline/52659380#52659380

Aw man :( Just brutal... ugh! I didn't see that going like that

He's actually out now, was granted clemency by the current governor in November.

 

[SIDA!]

Point of information:

It is my understanding that only Avery and Dassey were at this bonfire next to the trailer. Is that correct? I do not remember anyone else being mentioned as having been there.

 

[The Gator]

I think she committed suicide, or her ex boyfriend killed her. The police found her body. Which explains the cop calling in the license plate. Explains why all the evidence found on SA property was planted, and also explains Halbachs(sp?) video. No one else thinks this.?

Been thinking about this idea for a bit today. The bolded is the part I can't get past. They would have had to know just where to look, and when to look there - to be the only ones to see her dead, but not (yet) burned. They'd then have to move the body from wherever it was and move it to SA's burnpit without any Avery knowing so that he could (unknowingly) light her on fire - or burn the body themselves without anyone else knowing and move the remains to the burnpit during one of the searches. How does Lenk and/or Colburn and whoever else is potentially involved find the body without anyone else knowing or seeing anything - then burn it without anyone else knowing about it?

Same way they found the car before anyone else knew about it?

Finding a car and finding a body are two different things.

Not really. Seems easy that she could be close to or in her own car.

And if in it (and dead) for 3-4 days (from the 31st of October till it was "found" November 3rd) - that's going to leave some trail that would have been discovered. Blood, evidence of a decaying body, horrible smell.

Depends on where it was found and how she was killed. Also, late fall in Wisconsin will not speed up the decaying process, but likely slow it down.

 

[cockroach]

Does anyone know if this is going to be a series? I would love to see them do a season on Barry Beach. It has many similar elements to the Avery case. He was imprisoned for 31 years for a murder he probably didn't commit, based on a coerced confession and in spite of physical evidence indicating someone else was responsible. There has been scuttlebutt that various members of a group of girls have admitted to it over the years but were protected by relatives in law enforcement. One of the girls' fathers was a police officer and actually broke into the evidence room at one point, rendering some evidence in the Beach trial inadmissable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Beach

"A bloody palm print was found on the passenger door. An FBI investigation later determined that the palm print must have been left by the killer."

"After the murder, Beach moved to Louisiana to live with his father. In 1983, Beach was arrested after his stepmother called the police, claiming Beach had helped his stepsister skip school. Beach’s stepmother revealed to police that Beach had been questioned for Nees’ murder. The police were investigating the murder of three women at the time of Beach’s arrest. Beach was interrogated over these murders and the murder of Nees. Initially, Beach denied involvement in Nees’ murder, but after two days of questioning, he confessed to Nees’ murder.[4] He also confessed to the murder of the three Louisiana women but was later cleared of these murders because Beach was not in Louisiana at the time of these murders.[7]"

"The prosecution also said that the bloody palm print found on the truck might have belonged to Kim to explain why the print did not belong to Beach. However, multiple police reports concluded that the print belonged to neither Nees nor Beach.[8]"

Beach was just recently granted clemency. Marc Racicot was the original prosecutor of this case and later became the Governor of Montana. He was a hugely influential guy in Montana politics for decades. Many people think that's why Beach stayed in jail as long as he did.

Dateline spot on the Beach case if anyone is interested;

http://www.nbcnews.com/video/dateline/52659380#52659380

Aw man :( Just brutal... ugh! I didn't see that going like that

He's actually out now, was granted clemency by the current governor in November.

Oh good! That's awesome. Obviously he's a much more affable character than Avery, and there was far less evidence against him.

 

[Wrigley]

Question - was there any physical evidence tying Brendan to anything? It seems to me he was convicted solely based on his "confession". Am I just not remembering any evidence being presented or did none exist?

He apparently had bleach stains on a pair of pants/shorts. Procession says they came from him helping clean up the garage.

They cleaned every spot of blood, but left shell casings everywhere?

:doesnotcompute:

 

[Zow]

Question - was there any physical evidence tying Brendan to anything? It seems to me he was convicted solely based on his "confession". Am I just not remembering any evidence being presented or did none exist?

Only his confession. Strangely...the documentary didn't elaborate on why his defense team did not ask the jury to see the entire interview where he was badgered and guessed how he killed her a half dozen times and spoke to his mom afterwards about how they got in his head.

Police: What did you do to her?

Dassey: I...um...I punched her in the head.

Police: What else? Tell us the truth...what else happened to her head.

Dassey: Um...I put her in a headlock and then gave her a DDT.

Police: What else Brendan? There is something you aren't telling us. You need to be honest with us, Brendan. We can't help you if you aren't honest.

Dassey: Umm...I slit her throat.

Police: What else Brendan! What else did you do to her head. Did you shoot her.

Dassey: Yeah...yeah...I shot her in the head. Can I go to 6th hour now?

It said the jury watched every second of the "confession"

Nope. The prosecution asked during the case if they could stop showing the confession because the rest of the tape wasn't anything important. For some reason, the defense agreed. Even though there was some pretty important stuff at the end that would have helped the defense.

My wife asked about this. I'm assuming there was good reason for the defense to agree with it - whether legal (if, for example, there was a ton of inadmissible hearsay) or factual (if, for example, Dassey made some other inculpatory statements that the defense wanted to leave out).

 

[Zow]

Question - was there any physical evidence tying Brendan to anything? It seems to me he was convicted solely based on his "confession". Am I just not remembering any evidence being presented or did none exist?

Only his confession. Strangely...the documentary didn't elaborate on why his defense team did not ask the jury to see the entire interview where he was badgered and guessed how he killed her a half dozen times and spoke to his mom afterwards about how they got in his head.

Police: What did you do to her?

Dassey: I...um...I punched her in the head.

Police: What else? Tell us the truth...what else happened to her head.

Dassey: Um...I put her in a headlock and then gave her a DDT.

Police: What else Brendan? There is something you aren't telling us. You need to be honest with us, Brendan. We can't help you if you aren't honest.

Dassey: Umm...I slit her throat.

Police: What else Brendan! What else did you do to her head. Did you shoot her.

Dassey: Yeah...yeah...I shot her in the head. Can I go to 6th hour now?

My understanding is that they saw this part. They just didn't see the part where he talks to his mom.

 

[SIDA!]

Question - was there any physical evidence tying Brendan to anything? It seems to me he was convicted solely based on his "confession". Am I just not remembering any evidence being presented or did none exist?

Only his confession. Strangely...the documentary didn't elaborate on why his defense team did not ask the jury to see the entire interview where he was badgered and guessed how he killed her a half dozen times and spoke to his mom afterwards about how they got in his head.

Police: What did you do to her?

Dassey: I...um...I punched her in the head.

Police: What else? Tell us the truth...what else happened to her head.

Dassey: Um...I put her in a headlock and then gave her a DDT.

Police: What else Brendan? There is something you aren't telling us. You need to be honest with us, Brendan. We can't help you if you aren't honest.

Dassey: Umm...I slit her throat.

Police: What else Brendan! What else did you do to her head. Did you shoot her.

Dassey: Yeah...yeah...I shot her in the head. Can I go to 6th hour now?

My understanding is that they saw this part. They just didn't see the part where he talks to his mom.

I know. I was just riffing off that interview for fun.

 

[matttyl]

Question - was there any physical evidence tying Brendan to anything? It seems to me he was convicted solely based on his "confession". Am I just not remembering any evidence being presented or did none exist?

He apparently had bleach stains on a pair of pants/shorts. Procession says they came from him helping clean up the garage.

They cleaned every spot of blood, but left shell casings everywhere?

:doesnotcompute:

I fully agree - just saying that was another piece of evidence (not sure if you classify it as physical or not) used against Brendan at his trial.

 

[chet]

I know they're all borderline ######ed, but what did Allan and/or Dolores do to their children to #### them up so badly?

 

[AcerFC]

I know they're all borderline ######ed, but what did Allan and/or Dolores do to their children to #### them up so badly?

had sex with each other