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Making A Murderer (Netflix) (Spoilers) (1 Viewer)
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as that guy sounds, it could be true!!ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
that makes sense. i think there is 0% chance the brother or BF murdered her, but they were likely involved in the police misconduct via an illegal search by Coburn and lying about it.
Das Boot
Footballguy
The seemingly high probability that the cremains were moved from another site is a huge factor.
Avery wouldn't have moved the remains into his own backyard.
shuke
Black Ice Skeptic
Steve and Brendan could have gone over and gotten the barrel, and used it to burn Theresa's body behind the garage. They burned a little at a time, and used the barrel to contain the parts and whatever accelerant they used to get the heat up. As each round was complete, they dumped the remains right there in the burn pit.
I'm not saying this is "probably" what happened, just that it's possible. There is possible explanation for most of questions we have.
The cops didn't kill her. So if someone else did, then there would have to have been both the murderers and cops working to frame Avery. I find that way harder to believe than anything else.
Das Boot
Footballguy
There was also the quarry burn site, although the fragments found there unfortunately didn't contain an DNA.Steve and Brendan could have gone over and gotten the barrel, and used it to burn Theresa's body behind the garage. They burned a little at a time, and used the barrel to contain the parts and whatever accelerant they used to get the heat up. As each round was complete, they dumped the remains right there in the burn pit.
I'm not saying this is "probably" what happened, just that it's possible. There is possible explanation for most of questions we have.
The cops didn't kill her. So if someone else did, then there would have to have been both the murderers and cops working to frame Avery. I find that way harder to believe than anything else.
But it's still reasonable to a consider it a high probability that the human female pelvic bone is from TH.
So if that is a third location where cremains exist, it's a huge indicator that the bones were moved to Avery's back yard.
I consider it unlikely the cops were involved in her murder, but after seeing the way that department has been run for decades, and the high likelihood that they planted evidence and committed perjury, I wouldn't rule out that they could have been involved somehow in her death.
What seems most likely to me, is that once the cops became involved (after TH was murdered by someone else), they then planted additional evidence to implicate Avery, plus they completely abdicated their responsibility to investigate any other possible suspects.
So it's not necessary that the cops were working with the murderer, they were just adding their agenda (to frame Avery) on top of what fell into their lap.
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Das Boot
Footballguy
Nice summary of 5 alternative theories as to who else could have killed Teresa Halbach:
Making a Murderer: If Steven Avery Didn't Kill Teresa Halbach, Who Did?
One new thing I learned was this:
Earl's alibi is that he and a friend were driving a golf cart around hunting rabbits on the property (a cadaver dog later "alerted," or indicated the presence of human remains, on the golf cart during the police investigation).
Making a Murderer: If Steven Avery Didn't Kill Teresa Halbach, Who Did?
One new thing I learned was this:
Earl's alibi is that he and a friend were driving a golf cart around hunting rabbits on the property (a cadaver dog later "alerted," or indicated the presence of human remains, on the golf cart during the police investigation).
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mr roboto
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Is the bolded the other stop TH was supposed to make that day?Man it would be very improbable for them to have killed her then planted so much evidence at Averys. What's the theory there that Zipperer framed SA or the cops helped?
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parasaurolophus
Footballguy
@ 40% and 99%The people calling out posters for thinking Avery is guilty better be jumping all over this.
bucksoh
Footballguy
Zipperer is a weed grower, wife made the appointment, said TH was there sometime after three supposedly. Husband finds TH snooping around his property and shoots her not knowing his wife made an appointment with her. He then loads her up, in her car which explains only her blood in the back of her vehicle. The son and the father then find a place to dump her car. When ?'d By the police he became very beligerant with them. Colburn then finds TH vehicle but calls it in using his cell phone. This is speculating but he then found the body in the back of the vehicle. The rest has been explained in this thread.
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mr roboto
Footballguy
Huh. So in this scenario cops are very much involved even in burning body, moving the car etc.
bucksoh
Footballguy
Politician Spock
Footballguy
I'm starting to wonder if shuke understands this. Or maybe he does, but he rejects the evidence that suggests the body probably wasn't burned on his property.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
The math checks out there bruh. He's talking about two different things.
The people calling out posters for thinking Avery is guilty better be jumping all over this.
shuke
Black Ice Skeptic
I understand the theory. But the only "evidence" are unidentified human remains.
Apple Juice
Footballguy
Strang on the "sweat" dna:
Strang also spoke about the “sweat” that Kratz said Avery allegedly left under the hood of Halbach’s car. “There was no evidence of sweat, there was evidence of DNA, Steven’s DNA, transferred,” he said.
“The sweat theory was just Mr. Kratz’s theory,” he added, saying Avery’s DNA could have come from anywhere. “His skin, a DCI agent’s glove…could have transferred that DNA under the hood,” said Strang.
Strang also spoke about the “sweat” that Kratz said Avery allegedly left under the hood of Halbach’s car. “There was no evidence of sweat, there was evidence of DNA, Steven’s DNA, transferred,” he said.
“The sweat theory was just Mr. Kratz’s theory,” he added, saying Avery’s DNA could have come from anywhere. “His skin, a DCI agent’s glove…could have transferred that DNA under the hood,” said Strang.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
Strang and Buting are now doing speaking dates in Milwaukee and Minneapolis - booking a pretty large theater for the Milwaukee show, sold out a Minneapolis brew pub. Dean was a friend of mine in Milwaukee 20 years ago. I had his number in my wallet as my 2 a.m. emergency go-to call. I'm very happy to see his life take off like this, but it is very odd given his personality - always been a great lawyer.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
I am not talking about the math side of it. I am talking about the fact that somebody is 99% certain that the brother, ex, and cops were in cahoots. I am talking about somebody saying it is most likely that somebody that is barely a blip on the screen did it.The math checks out there bruh. He's talking about two different things.
The people calling out posters for thinking Avery is guilty better be jumping all over this.
bucksoh
Footballguy
Not sure if you're serious, if you watched the documentary you would seen that the brother and ex. displayed sketchy behavior, that to me says they were helping the cops. If it is the math part take the 10% away and add it to Zipperer.I am not talking about the math side of it. I am talking about the fact that somebody is 99% certain that the brother, ex, and cops were in cahoots. I am talking about somebody saying it is most likely that somebody that is barely a blip on the screen did it.The math checks out there bruh. He's talking about two different things.
shuke
Black Ice Skeptic
Politician Spock
Footballguy
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
I should say the same thing to you. You saw a documentary where two guys displayed "sketchy behavior" and you then support a 99% certainty conclusion that they worked with the cops and framed Avery.Not sure if you're serious, if you watched the documentary you would seen that the brother and ex. displayed sketchy behavior, that to me says they were helping the cops. If it is the math part take the 10% away and add it to Zipperer.I am not talking about the math side of it. I am talking about the fact that somebody is 99% certain that the brother, ex, and cops were in cahoots. I am talking about somebody saying it is most likely that somebody that is barely a blip on the screen did it.The math checks out there bruh. He's talking about two different things.
Doesn't this pretty much confirm why the jury voted him guilty? I mean 99% certain is beyond reasonable doubt. If people get to that degree of certainty based on a random video, no wonder the jury voted him guilty with everything that was thrown at them.
shuke
Black Ice Skeptic
Ignoramus
Footballguy
Why does this surprise you?
Mr.Pack
Footballguy
How do you know he didn't move them from his backyard to the other two sites to try and get rid of everything?
shuke
Black Ice Skeptic
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
Many examples you can point out that show Avery may be guilty but this is not one of them. If he was trying to move the remains he wouldn't have left the majority at the bonfire location. Doesn't make any sense. It is more likely the bodybwas burned at the quarry and then transported via the barrell to the bonfire.
Nathan R. Jessep
Footballguy
a) why would he move some of them and not all of them, from the most obvious location (right next to his home)?
b) his new lawyer (and his old lawyers mentioned later, not sure about during the trial) about how much heat it would take to burn a body to the degree those remains were burned, and it would be hard to generate that much heat in an open burn pile
Yes, people often jump to conclusions with unwarranted confidence. Both the jury verdict and the 99% figure above seem to be examples of that, IMO.I should say the same thing to you. You saw a documentary where two guys displayed "sketchy behavior" and you then support a 99% certainty conclusion that they worked with the cops and framed Avery. Doesn't this pretty much confirm why the jury voted him guilty? I mean 99% certain is beyond reasonable doubt. If people get to that degree of certainty based on a random video, no wonder the jury voted him guilty with everything that was thrown at them.Not sure if you're serious, if you watched the documentary you would seen that the brother and ex. displayed sketchy behavior, that to me says they were helping the cops. If it is the math part take the 10% away and add it to Zipperer.I am not talking about the math side of it. I am talking about the fact that somebody is 99% certain that the brother, ex, and cops were in cahoots. I am talking about somebody saying it is most likely that somebody that is barely a blip on the screen did it.The math checks out there bruh. He's talking about two different things.
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Politician Spock
Footballguy
I can't find your theory from earlier. But it's already been established that there weren't separate burning sites unless her body was split from head to toe prior to burning separately. Both the prosecution and defense agreed that remains were moved. The only disagreement was about from where to where.
Ryan Hillegas seems like a little more tan a blip on the screen.I am not talking about the math side of it. I am talking about the fact that somebody is 99% certain that the brother, ex, and cops were in cahoots. I am talking about somebody saying it is most likely that somebody that is barely a blip on the screen did it.The math checks out there bruh. He's talking about two different things.
The people calling out posters for thinking Avery is guilty better be jumping all over this.
Maybe, maybe not. There's growing suspicion that those weren't her everyday keys. They key is DEFINITELY the spare that won't open the glove compartment. But I think there is testimony that she had a regular set of keys that she normally carried, but was also known to lose her keys.
shuke
Black Ice Skeptic
So why is that out of the realm of possibility?
I must have missed this. I thought the prosecution only confirmed that the bones were moved from Avery's pit to the sifting/sorting station by investigators. Their case was built around the premise that the body was burned in that pit.
The above interview with Strang by the Irish guy was great... here's another good one, in print though:
http://christandpopculture.com/sleeping-at-night-making-a-murderer-attorney-dean-strang-on-his-most-popular-case-and-what-it-was-like-to-lose-it/?utm_content=buffer89c97&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer
A highlight:
CaPC: In one of your final interviews for the documentary, you say you almost wish Avery were guilty. Would you elaborate on that statement?
Strang: I don’t wish it for his sake, obviously. I don’t wish it for the Halbachs’ sake or Steven Avery’s sake. In a sense, that statement was and is a self-protective wish.
Steven Avery came to me with the only money he ever was going to have, and together the two of us [strang and Jerry Buting] took his case. He put his faith in us; he put his trust in us. He put all his chips on us. Then I lost his case. And the consequences of my losing his case were, for him, the most serious consequences Wisconsin law allows—he received a slow death sentence. He received life in prison without parole. As things stand, he’s simply stuck in a cage, waiting for the biological moment of death.
Yet, I have to go sleep at night. I have to go on with my life. I have to continue to do my work. I owe my wife, my family, my friends, the obligation of being present to them—loving them and giving them what they deserve. So there’s a self-protective quality to saying: “I don’t know that I can carry this around if I believe that there’s an innocent man sitting in a cage because I was the second best lawyer in the room.” It’s a very narrow self-protective hope that I was expressing. It was honest—probably a little too self-revealing.
Two documentaries I heartily recommend in the same genre are:
Kids for Sale: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2925642/?ref_=nv_sr_1
About a judge who was throwing kids in detention centers for YEARS for small infractions, like getting in a fight at school. For this he was getting millions in kick back $$$. This one is free with Amazon Prime
and
The Central Park Five: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2380247/
A Ken Burns documentary about a group of kids who confessed to a rape in Central Park. Has many parallels with Brandon Dassey. Shows how lives can be destroyed when all cops care about is closing a case rather than getting to the truth. This is actually on Netflix... cool.
Kids for Sale: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2925642/?ref_=nv_sr_1
About a judge who was throwing kids in detention centers for YEARS for small infractions, like getting in a fight at school. For this he was getting millions in kick back $$$. This one is free with Amazon Prime
and
The Central Park Five: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2380247/
A Ken Burns documentary about a group of kids who confessed to a rape in Central Park. Has many parallels with Brandon Dassey. Shows how lives can be destroyed when all cops care about is closing a case rather than getting to the truth. This is actually on Netflix... cool.
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Politician Spock
Footballguy
Correct. The prosecution's argument is that the body was burned in that pit, and remains were found elsewhere because they were moved from the pit. The defense's argument is that the body was burned elsewhere and moved to the pit and that's why remains were found elsewhere. When presented the theory of her being burned in two different places, it was said that all parts of her body were found in both the barrel and the pit. So yes, if she was split from head to toe prior to burning, then it would produce what the evidence shows, but the question "Why would someone do that" isn't easy to answer. It is however easy to explain why someone would move remains. To hide evidence or to frame someone are both easy answers. If the reason was to hide evidence, it was executed piss poorly given how much was found in the burn pit. It's more likely it was moved to frame steve.
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parasaurolophus
Footballguy
He thinks Zipperer is most likely to have committed the crime. He is a blip.Ryan Hillegas seems like a little more tan a blip on the screen.I am not talking about the math side of it. I am talking about the fact that somebody is 99% certain that the brother, ex, and cops were in cahoots. I am talking about somebody saying it is most likely that somebody that is barely a blip on the screen did it.The math checks out there bruh. He's talking about two different things.
parrot
Footballguy
Has anyone posted anything that confirms the quarry site bones were human?There was also the quarry burn site, although the fragments found there unfortunately didn't contain an DNA.Steve and Brendan could have gone over and gotten the barrel, and used it to burn Theresa's body behind the garage. They burned a little at a time, and used the barrel to contain the parts and whatever accelerant they used to get the heat up. As each round was complete, they dumped the remains right there in the burn pit.
I'm not saying this is "probably" what happened, just that it's possible. There is possible explanation for most of questions we have.
The cops didn't kill her. So if someone else did, then there would have to have been both the murderers and cops working to frame Avery. I find that way harder to believe than anything else.
But it's still reasonable to a consider it a high probability that the human female pelvic bone is from TH.
So if that is a third location where cremains exist, it's a huge indicator that the bones were moved to Avery's back yard.
I consider it unlikely the cops were involved in her murder, but after seeing the way that department has been run for decades, and the high likelihood that they planted evidence and committed perjury, I wouldn't rule out that they could have been involved somehow in her death.
What seems most likely to me, is that once the cops became involved (after TH was murdered by someone else), they then planted additional evidence to implicate Avery, plus they completely abdicated their responsibility to investigate any other possible suspects.
So it's not necessary that the cops were working with the murderer, they were just adding their agenda (to frame Avery) on top of what fell into their lap.
Franknbeans
Footballguy
He only is if it is true that Steven Avery was the last to see her.
Apple Juice
Footballguy
It's easy to like Strang and appreciate his eloquence. He describes things thoughtfully and logically. I'll admit he's a huge reason I felt strongly about the doc and the case and surprisingly still am invested in even weeks after it was hot. Most internet explosions last a few days but this one is holding me close to a month now.
It stirred up discussion in every pocket of the internet and is still being closely looked at and discussed.
Oh him... he's not really a blip either. Possibly the last person to see Halbach alive. Got belligerent with cops a couple times. Got his grow-op to protect. Definitely a POIHe thinks Zipperer is most likely to have committed the crime. He is a blip.Ryan Hillegas seems like a little more tan a blip on the screen.I am not talking about the math side of it. I am talking about the fact that somebody is 99% certain that the brother, ex, and cops were in cahoots. I am talking about somebody saying it is most likely that somebody that is barely a blip on the screen did it.The math checks out there bruh. He's talking about two different things.
just for some wild speculation on Zipperer
https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/42tud8/zipperer_family_member_makes_12516_mind_blowing/
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Das Boot
Footballguy
I was curious about that question too, I haven't found anything definitive.Has anyone posted anything that confirms the quarry site bones were human?There was also the quarry burn site, although the fragments found there unfortunately didn't contain an DNA.Steve and Brendan could have gone over and gotten the barrel, and used it to burn Theresa's body behind the garage. They burned a little at a time, and used the barrel to contain the parts and whatever accelerant they used to get the heat up. As each round was complete, they dumped the remains right there in the burn pit.
I'm not saying this is "probably" what happened, just that it's possible. There is possible explanation for most of questions we have.
The cops didn't kill her. So if someone else did, then there would have to have been both the murderers and cops working to frame Avery. I find that way harder to believe than anything else.
But it's still reasonable to a consider it a high probability that the human female pelvic bone is from TH.
So if that is a third location where cremains exist, it's a huge indicator that the bones were moved to Avery's back yard.
I consider it unlikely the cops were involved in her murder, but after seeing the way that department has been run for decades, and the high likelihood that they planted evidence and committed perjury, I wouldn't rule out that they could have been involved somehow in her death.
What seems most likely to me, is that once the cops became involved (after TH was murdered by someone else), they then planted additional evidence to implicate Avery, plus they completely abdicated their responsibility to investigate any other possible suspects.
So it's not necessary that the cops were working with the murderer, they were just adding their agenda (to frame Avery) on top of what fell into their lap.
FWIW I did find the below post pulled out of a reddit discussion about the bones evidence - the whole reddit thread is worth a read:
https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/3ynu20/the_bones_at_the_quarry/
[–]thrombolytic 46 points 28 days ago
Dr. Eisenberg seems completely qualified, but is it possible that neither of those bone fragments were actually human bones?
Anthropologist here. Human pelvis bones are very unique due to our upright posture. I'd have to see the fragments, but from her testimony it sounded like large-ish pieces. It would be very difficult to mistake non-human pelvic bones for human.
Anthropologists who do bone stuff (like paleo-anthro type folks) can be like bone savants. I know a guy whose specialty is determining what kind of ancient animal left a particular bone fragment in a particular layer of dirt from spots around Africa. And he's damn good at it.
I expect forensic anthropologists to be able to identify human pelvic bones as human with near 100% accuracy.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Late to the game and still pawing through the thread, but I second the Odenkirk reference times 1000.
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Das Boot
Footballguy
The below link has a good description of how badly the Manitowoc Sheriff's Dept. handled the case, as described by other law enforcement personnel:
'Making a Murderer' case tainted by investigators, experts say
I found this passage particularly descriptive, it's hard to imagine anyone not at least being suspicious of whether the key was planted after reading it:
Clue found under shady circumstances
The events of Nov. 8, 2005 were a watershed moment for both the Avery murder investigation and the fate of Avery’s $36 million civil lawsuit against Manitowoc County.
In the days leading up to Nov. 8, Sgt. Bill Tyson of Calumet County acted like a pitbull at the Avery property. He made sure no Manitowoc County officers wandered around the Avery property alone.
But he saw Colborn, Lenk and fellow Manitowoc County detective Dave Remiker at the scene. “It was told to me that no Manitowoc County deputy should be alone on the property,” Tyson later testified.
Tyson was not on duty at the Avery property on Nov. 8. That day, Calumet County deputy Dan Kucharski was assigned to the Avery trailer.
Colborn and Lenk showed up yet again. Kucharski testified that nobody told him Colborn and Lenk were not to be left alone. “I was doing other things. I was taking photographs. I was searching the night stand,” Kucharski testified.
Colborn and Lenk remained preoccupied with Avery's bedroom. When Kucharski turned away, the two Manitowoc County detectives converged near Avery’s bed and a small bookcase. Suddenly, Lenk made a startling discovery.
“Lt. Lenk said something to the effect of, ‘There is a key on the floor here,’” Colborn testified.
The next day, Avery was arrested. By Nov. 11, Kratz declared that Avery would be charged with first-degree intentional homicide. “The key located in the bedroom of Steve Avery’s residence was successfully used in the ignition of the Toyota RAV4 owned by Teresa M. Halbach,” the criminal complaint stated.
The two Manitowoc County detectives had found a critical piece of evidence, and under highly suspicious circumstances. The key contained Avery’s DNA. But the blue lanyard and lone ignition key on a black plastic clasp didn’t contain Halbach’s DNA.
Kucharski testified he previously searched the bedroom carpet and didn’t see the keys.
'Making a Murderer' case tainted by investigators, experts say
I found this passage particularly descriptive, it's hard to imagine anyone not at least being suspicious of whether the key was planted after reading it:
Clue found under shady circumstances
The events of Nov. 8, 2005 were a watershed moment for both the Avery murder investigation and the fate of Avery’s $36 million civil lawsuit against Manitowoc County.
In the days leading up to Nov. 8, Sgt. Bill Tyson of Calumet County acted like a pitbull at the Avery property. He made sure no Manitowoc County officers wandered around the Avery property alone.
But he saw Colborn, Lenk and fellow Manitowoc County detective Dave Remiker at the scene. “It was told to me that no Manitowoc County deputy should be alone on the property,” Tyson later testified.
Tyson was not on duty at the Avery property on Nov. 8. That day, Calumet County deputy Dan Kucharski was assigned to the Avery trailer.
Colborn and Lenk showed up yet again. Kucharski testified that nobody told him Colborn and Lenk were not to be left alone. “I was doing other things. I was taking photographs. I was searching the night stand,” Kucharski testified.
Colborn and Lenk remained preoccupied with Avery's bedroom. When Kucharski turned away, the two Manitowoc County detectives converged near Avery’s bed and a small bookcase. Suddenly, Lenk made a startling discovery.
“Lt. Lenk said something to the effect of, ‘There is a key on the floor here,’” Colborn testified.
The next day, Avery was arrested. By Nov. 11, Kratz declared that Avery would be charged with first-degree intentional homicide. “The key located in the bedroom of Steve Avery’s residence was successfully used in the ignition of the Toyota RAV4 owned by Teresa M. Halbach,” the criminal complaint stated.
The two Manitowoc County detectives had found a critical piece of evidence, and under highly suspicious circumstances. The key contained Avery’s DNA. But the blue lanyard and lone ignition key on a black plastic clasp didn’t contain Halbach’s DNA.
Kucharski testified he previously searched the bedroom carpet and didn’t see the keys.
shuke
Black Ice Skeptic
I've seen that it was inconclusive.parrot said:Has anyone posted anything that confirms the quarry site bones were human?There was also the quarry burn site, although the fragments found there unfortunately didn't contain an DNA.Steve and Brendan could have gone over and gotten the barrel, and used it to burn Theresa's body behind the garage. They burned a little at a time, and used the barrel to contain the parts and whatever accelerant they used to get the heat up. As each round was complete, they dumped the remains right there in the burn pit.
I'm not saying this is "probably" what happened, just that it's possible. There is possible explanation for most of questions we have.
The cops didn't kill her. So if someone else did, then there would have to have been both the murderers and cops working to frame Avery. I find that way harder to believe than anything else.
But it's still reasonable to a consider it a high probability that the human female pelvic bone is from TH.
So if that is a third location where cremains exist, it's a huge indicator that the bones were moved to Avery's back yard.
I consider it unlikely the cops were involved in her murder, but after seeing the way that department has been run for decades, and the high likelihood that they planted evidence and committed perjury, I wouldn't rule out that they could have been involved somehow in her death.
What seems most likely to me, is that once the cops became involved (after TH was murdered by someone else), they then planted additional evidence to implicate Avery, plus they completely abdicated their responsibility to investigate any other possible suspects.
So it's not necessary that the cops were working with the murderer, they were just adding their agenda (to frame Avery) on top of what fell into their lap.
But don't let that get in the way of a good story!
Through episode 5 or 6, I was with the rest of the crazies, ready for the entire Mantiwoc police force and DA to be publicly hung. But the more I watched and the more I've read about this, the more I am pretty sure Avery doing this is the only logical conclusion.
blend
Footballguy
Don't let "pretty sure" get in the way of "beyond a reasonable doubt"I've seen that it was inconclusive.parrot said:Has anyone posted anything that confirms the quarry site bones were human?There was also the quarry burn site, although the fragments found there unfortunately didn't contain an DNA.Steve and Brendan could have gone over and gotten the barrel, and used it to burn Theresa's body behind the garage. They burned a little at a time, and used the barrel to contain the parts and whatever accelerant they used to get the heat up. As each round was complete, they dumped the remains right there in the burn pit.
I'm not saying this is "probably" what happened, just that it's possible. There is possible explanation for most of questions we have.
The cops didn't kill her. So if someone else did, then there would have to have been both the murderers and cops working to frame Avery. I find that way harder to believe than anything else.
But it's still reasonable to a consider it a high probability that the human female pelvic bone is from TH.
So if that is a third location where cremains exist, it's a huge indicator that the bones were moved to Avery's back yard.
I consider it unlikely the cops were involved in her murder, but after seeing the way that department has been run for decades, and the high likelihood that they planted evidence and committed perjury, I wouldn't rule out that they could have been involved somehow in her death.
What seems most likely to me, is that once the cops became involved (after TH was murdered by someone else), they then planted additional evidence to implicate Avery, plus they completely abdicated their responsibility to investigate any other possible suspects.
So it's not necessary that the cops were working with the murderer, they were just adding their agenda (to frame Avery) on top of what fell into their lap.
But don't let that get in the way of a good story!
Through episode 5 or 6, I was with the rest of the crazies, ready for the entire Mantiwoc police force and DA to be publicly hung. But the more I watched and the more I've read about this, the more I am pretty sure Avery doing this is the only logical conclusion.
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