Mangini the NY JETS coach (1 Viewer)

[Rovers]

"Age has always been a question. I've always been the young guy. I was the young guy on the offensive staff. I was the young guy on the defensive staff. The only time I was the old guy was when I was the ball boys."



(Mangini got his start as a ball boy at age 23)

He has a sense of humor! He looked pretty nervous, but he isn't used to public speaking.... Belichick won't let his coaches talk to the press. I think the 5 year length of the contract signals a decision to rebuild, which is different than the Buffalo situation was. The general consencus seems to be that Mangini would have gotten a HC job next year, so the Jets may have jumped a bit, but I'm very happy with the hire and the signs that the team is preparing to rebuild. Bradway will follow Hermie to KC, it's just a matter of when.

 

[Kiddnets]

Word from the Jet insiders is that Bradaway wanted Tice and Tannenbaum (Mr T) wanted Mangini. It has also been reported that Mr. T is being groomed to take over for Bradaway and he has been involved in every interview, meeting and decision. He has a close friendship with Mangini and I can see TB leaving for KC pastures in a year or two with Mr. T sliding over to be the full GM. Problem is Mr T is more of a cap guru than an eye for talent. If Mangini does well I think they will work together as a team with TB being left out in the cold. Very happy with this hire - I think most Jet fans realize that it is going to take time. NY is not known for patience though. Gotta give this guy some time.

 

[Bri]

It has also been reported that Mr. T is being groomed to take over for Bradaway and he has been involved in every interview, meeting and decision.

I pity the fool!

 

[Kiddnets]

It has also been reported that Mr. T is being groomed to take over for Bradaway and he has been involved in every interview, meeting and decision. 

I pity the fool!

LOL - that's what they call him in Jet land!

 

[Boston]

I haven't read all the posts but I have my doubts about this hire. Mangini was definetly on the path to being a head coach. There's no doubt about that. He's a very smart guy who has been learning the ropes from BB for the past decade. Yet, he's only been a DC for one year and the word locally is it took him a while before he really became comfortable and assertive with his new role this year. Right now I have serious doubts that he's ready to run the whole show already. Not only that but he's taking one of the most difficult jobs in the NFL. The Jets have cap issues as well as a roster that was falling apart this year. Add that to a rabid fan base and a very tough media and this is a big gamble for a non-proven commodity. If Mangini can't get the job done the Jets could be in deep trouble for the near future.As for Mangini I don't blame him for taking the position. He knows people in the organization and he signed a deal that takes care of he and his family for quite some time. That's a ton of cash to pass up. Yet, in the long run I think he would have been better served staying with the Pats one more year and than taking a job that may have a better chance for success.Also, if I were a Jets fan I would be absolutely petrified tht my organization was even considering Mike Tice for this position. While I don't think Mangini is ready I do understand their thinking. Yet, Mike Tice? The fact they were even thinking about him should make you wonder about the powers that be in Jetland.

 

[Jason Wood]

I haven't read all the posts but I have my doubts about this hire. Mangini was definetly on the path to being a head coach. There's no doubt about that. He's a very smart guy who has been learning the ropes from BB for the past decade. Yet, he's only been a DC for one year and the word locally is it took him a while before he really became comfortable and assertive with his new role this year. Right now I have serious doubts that he's ready to run the whole show already. Not only that but he's taking one of the most difficult jobs in the NFL. The Jets have cap issues as well as a roster that was falling apart this year. Add that to a rabid fan base and a very tough media and this is a big gamble for a non-proven commodity. If Mangini can't get the job done the Jets could be in deep trouble for the near future.

As for Mangini I don't blame him for taking the position. He knows people in the organization and he signed a deal that takes care of he and his family for quite some time. That's a ton of cash to pass up. Yet, in the long run I think he would have been better served staying with the Pats one more year and than taking a job that may have a better chance for success.

Also, if I were a Jets fan I would be absolutely petrified tht my organization was even considering Mike Tice for this position. While I don't think Mangini is ready I do understand their thinking. Yet, Mike Tice? The fact they were even thinking about him should make you wonder about the powers that be in Jetland.

After listening to Mangini's press conference and his interviews on WFAM and 1050 ESPN, it was all but confirmed that Bill Belichick counseled Mangini against taking the Jets HC position. The ESPN crew asked him directly and Mangini said [paraphrasing] that Bill is his mentor, he will always value the friendship and his advice, in this case the Jets job was just something he had to dne thing no one can doubt is Mangini's drive. The guy coached in Australia, was a towel boy, was a quality control coach, and was a DC for the league's best team at 34. Also working in his favor is that both Saban and Crennel wanted Mangini as their DCs last year, which says a lot.

But working against him are the Jets cap/personnel issues AND a bigger problem in my opinion is Mangini's ability to staff. With Belichick, Crennel and Saban all staffing from the same coaching tree/rolodex, I have doubts about whether Mangini is going to be able to bring in the top tier assistants he'll need to get through the next few seasons in New York.

 

[Boston]

I haven't read all the posts but I have my doubts about this hire.  Mangini was definetly on the path to being a head coach.  There's no doubt about that.  He's a very smart guy who has been learning the ropes from BB for the past decade.  Yet, he's only been a DC for one year and the word locally is it took him a while before he really became comfortable and assertive with his new role this year.  Right now I have serious doubts that he's ready to run the whole show already.  Not only that but he's taking one of the most difficult jobs in the NFL.  The Jets have cap issues as well as a roster that was falling apart this year.  Add that to a rabid fan base and a very tough media and this is a big gamble for a non-proven commodity.  If Mangini can't get the job done the Jets could be in deep trouble for the near future.

As for Mangini I don't blame him for taking the position.  He knows people in the organization and he signed a deal that takes care of he and his family for quite some time.  That's a ton of cash to pass up.  Yet, in the long run I think he would have been better served staying with the Pats one more year and than taking a job that may have a better chance for success.

Also, if I were a Jets fan I would be absolutely petrified tht my organization was even considering Mike Tice for this position.  While I don't think Mangini is ready I do understand their thinking.  Yet, Mike Tice?  The fact they were even thinking about him should make you wonder about the powers that be in Jetland.

After listening to Mangini's press conference and his interviews on WFAM and 1050 ESPN, it was all but confirmed that Bill Belichick counseled Mangini against taking the Jets HC position. The ESPN crew asked him directly and Mangini said [paraphrasing] that Bill is his mentor, he will always value the friendship and his advice, in this case the Jets job was just something he had to dne thing no one can doubt is Mangini's drive. The guy coached in Australia, was a towel boy, was a quality control coach, and was a DC for the league's best team at 34. Also working in his favor is that both Saban and Crennel wanted Mangini as their DCs last year, which says a lot.

But working against him are the Jets cap/personnel issues AND a bigger problem in my opinion is Mangini's ability to staff. With Belichick, Crennel and Saban all staffing from the same coaching tree/rolodex, I have doubts about whether Mangini is going to be able to bring in the top tier assistants he'll need to get through the next few seasons in New York.

I don't think it has been confirmed but I do think BB probably did that. After BB's demise in Cleveland he swore he would never get into another situation as a head coach where the ownership/managment wasn't in great shape. This is why he didn't want the Jets job when the Tuna resigned. Especially since he knew at the time he may only have one more shot at being successful. Right now the Jets appear to be on shaky ground. Using BB's past experiences/philosophy it would make sense for him to advise Mangini that way.You bring up an excellent point about Mangini's staffing issues. Since he's young and has limited offensive experience good assistants are even more important. He definetly has his work cut out for him in that department for the reasons you gave.

Again, I do think Mangini was/is on the path to being a very good head coach. Yet, I just think this is the wrong team at the wrong time. One more year of seasoning with a healthy defense and another job that's not as daunting may have made more sense in the long run. Only time will tell if that is the case though.

 

[Rovers]

I haven't read all the posts but I have my doubts about this hire.  Mangini was definetly on the path to being a head coach.  There's no doubt about that.  He's a very smart guy who has been learning the ropes from BB for the past decade.  Yet, he's only been a DC for one year and the word locally is it took him a while before he really became comfortable and assertive with his new role this year.   Right now I have serious doubts that he's ready to run the whole show already.  Not only that but he's taking one of the most difficult jobs in the NFL.  The Jets have cap issues as well as a roster that was falling apart this year.  Add that to a rabid fan base and a very tough media and this is a big gamble for a non-proven commodity.  If Mangini can't get the job done the Jets could be in deep trouble for the near future.

As for Mangini I don't blame him for taking the position.  He knows people in the organization and he signed a deal that takes care of he and his family for quite some time.  That's a ton of cash to pass up.  Yet, in the long run I think he would have been better served staying with the Pats one more year and than taking a job that may have a better chance for success.

Also, if I were a Jets fan I would be absolutely petrified tht my organization was even considering Mike Tice for this position.  While I don't think Mangini is ready I do understand their thinking.  Yet, Mike Tice?  The fact they were even thinking about him should make you wonder about the powers that be in Jetland.

After listening to Mangini's press conference and his interviews on WFAM and 1050 ESPN, it was all but confirmed that Bill Belichick counseled Mangini against taking the Jets HC position. The ESPN crew asked him directly and Mangini said [paraphrasing] that Bill is his mentor, he will always value the friendship and his advice, in this case the Jets job was just something he had to dne thing no one can doubt is Mangini's drive. The guy coached in Australia, was a towel boy, was a quality control coach, and was a DC for the league's best team at 34. Also working in his favor is that both Saban and Crennel wanted Mangini as their DCs last year, which says a lot.

But working against him are the Jets cap/personnel issues AND a bigger problem in my opinion is Mangini's ability to staff. With Belichick, Crennel and Saban all staffing from the same coaching tree/rolodex, I have doubts about whether Mangini is going to be able to bring in the top tier assistants he'll need to get through the next few seasons in New York.

I don't think it has been confirmed but I do think BB probably did that. After BB's demise in Cleveland he swore he would never get into another situation as a head coach where the ownership/managment wasn't in great shape. This is why he didn't want the Jets job when the Tuna resigned. Especially since he knew at the time he may only have one more shot at being successful. Right now the Jets appear to be on shaky ground. Using BB's past experiences/philosophy it would make sense for him to advise Mangini that way.You bring up an excellent point about Mangini's staffing issues. Since he's young and has limited offensive experience good assistants are even more important. He definetly has his work cut out for him in that department for the reasons you gave.

Again, I do think Mangini was/is on the path to being a very good head coach. Yet, I just think this is the wrong team at the wrong time. One more year of seasoning with a healthy defense and another job that's not as daunting may have made more sense in the long run. Only time will tell if that is the case though.

Bradway is on his way out. That should fix the FO, not a worry to me. What is a legit concern is the staff. Mangigni needs some experience on the offensive side, and I don't much like the names I'm hearing. The length of this contract tells me the FO has decided to rebuild, and mangini will have a two year honeymoon. I think that is the perfect situation for him, little expectations in the first two years. I think it's the right team, at the right time, maybe a year before Mangini was ready, but not a problem.

 

[Jason Wood]

I haven't read all the posts but I have my doubts about this hire.  Mangini was definetly on the path to being a head coach.  There's no doubt about that.  He's a very smart guy who has been learning the ropes from BB for the past decade.  Yet, he's only been a DC for one year and the word locally is it took him a while before he really became comfortable and assertive with his new role this year.   Right now I have serious doubts that he's ready to run the whole show already.  Not only that but he's taking one of the most difficult jobs in the NFL.  The Jets have cap issues as well as a roster that was falling apart this year.  Add that to a rabid fan base and a very tough media and this is a big gamble for a non-proven commodity.  If Mangini can't get the job done the Jets could be in deep trouble for the near future.

As for Mangini I don't blame him for taking the position.  He knows people in the organization and he signed a deal that takes care of he and his family for quite some time.  That's a ton of cash to pass up.  Yet, in the long run I think he would have been better served staying with the Pats one more year and than taking a job that may have a better chance for success.

Also, if I were a Jets fan I would be absolutely petrified tht my organization was even considering Mike Tice for this position.  While I don't think Mangini is ready I do understand their thinking.  Yet, Mike Tice?  The fact they were even thinking about him should make you wonder about the powers that be in Jetland.

After listening to Mangini's press conference and his interviews on WFAM and 1050 ESPN, it was all but confirmed that Bill Belichick counseled Mangini against taking the Jets HC position. The ESPN crew asked him directly and Mangini said [paraphrasing] that Bill is his mentor, he will always value the friendship and his advice, in this case the Jets job was just something he had to dne thing no one can doubt is Mangini's drive. The guy coached in Australia, was a towel boy, was a quality control coach, and was a DC for the league's best team at 34. Also working in his favor is that both Saban and Crennel wanted Mangini as their DCs last year, which says a lot.

But working against him are the Jets cap/personnel issues AND a bigger problem in my opinion is Mangini's ability to staff. With Belichick, Crennel and Saban all staffing from the same coaching tree/rolodex, I have doubts about whether Mangini is going to be able to bring in the top tier assistants he'll need to get through the next few seasons in New York.

I don't think it has been confirmed but I do think BB probably did that. After BB's demise in Cleveland he swore he would never get into another situation as a head coach where the ownership/managment wasn't in great shape. This is why he didn't want the Jets job when the Tuna resigned. Especially since he knew at the time he may only have one more shot at being successful. Right now the Jets appear to be on shaky ground. Using BB's past experiences/philosophy it would make sense for him to advise Mangini that way.You bring up an excellent point about Mangini's staffing issues. Since he's young and has limited offensive experience good assistants are even more important. He definetly has his work cut out for him in that department for the reasons you gave.

Again, I do think Mangini was/is on the path to being a very good head coach. Yet, I just think this is the wrong team at the wrong time. One more year of seasoning with a healthy defense and another job that's not as daunting may have made more sense in the long run. Only time will tell if that is the case though.

It will be interesting to see whether the Jets retain Heimerdinger. He's under contract and they can absolutely force him to remain. But as we all know, Heimerdinger can make it VERY apparent that staying wouldn't be in the mutual best interests of the Jets and himself. As others have pointed out, Heimerdinger is all set to join Denver as their OC to replace Kubiak if the opportunity arises, and GM Terry Bradway says that Mangini has complete say in how to staff his assistants.

 

[Boston]

I haven't read all the posts but I have my doubts about this hire.  Mangini was definetly on the path to being a head coach.  There's no doubt about that.  He's a very smart guy who has been learning the ropes from BB for the past decade.  Yet, he's only been a DC for one year and the word locally is it took him a while before he really became comfortable and assertive with his new role this year.   Right now I have serious doubts that he's ready to run the whole show already.  Not only that but he's taking one of the most difficult jobs in the NFL.  The Jets have cap issues as well as a roster that was falling apart this year.  Add that to a rabid fan base and a very tough media and this is a big gamble for a non-proven commodity.  If Mangini can't get the job done the Jets could be in deep trouble for the near future.

As for Mangini I don't blame him for taking the position.  He knows people in the organization and he signed a deal that takes care of he and his family for quite some time.  That's a ton of cash to pass up.  Yet, in the long run I think he would have been better served staying with the Pats one more year and than taking a job that may have a better chance for success.

Also, if I were a Jets fan I would be absolutely petrified tht my organization was even considering Mike Tice for this position.  While I don't think Mangini is ready I do understand their thinking.  Yet, Mike Tice?  The fact they were even thinking about him should make you wonder about the powers that be in Jetland.

After listening to Mangini's press conference and his interviews on WFAM and 1050 ESPN, it was all but confirmed that Bill Belichick counseled Mangini against taking the Jets HC position. The ESPN crew asked him directly and Mangini said [paraphrasing] that Bill is his mentor, he will always value the friendship and his advice, in this case the Jets job was just something he had to dne thing no one can doubt is Mangini's drive. The guy coached in Australia, was a towel boy, was a quality control coach, and was a DC for the league's best team at 34. Also working in his favor is that both Saban and Crennel wanted Mangini as their DCs last year, which says a lot.

But working against him are the Jets cap/personnel issues AND a bigger problem in my opinion is Mangini's ability to staff. With Belichick, Crennel and Saban all staffing from the same coaching tree/rolodex, I have doubts about whether Mangini is going to be able to bring in the top tier assistants he'll need to get through the next few seasons in New York.

I don't think it has been confirmed but I do think BB probably did that. After BB's demise in Cleveland he swore he would never get into another situation as a head coach where the ownership/managment wasn't in great shape. This is why he didn't want the Jets job when the Tuna resigned. Especially since he knew at the time he may only have one more shot at being successful. Right now the Jets appear to be on shaky ground. Using BB's past experiences/philosophy it would make sense for him to advise Mangini that way.You bring up an excellent point about Mangini's staffing issues. Since he's young and has limited offensive experience good assistants are even more important. He definetly has his work cut out for him in that department for the reasons you gave.

Again, I do think Mangini was/is on the path to being a very good head coach. Yet, I just think this is the wrong team at the wrong time. One more year of seasoning with a healthy defense and another job that's not as daunting may have made more sense in the long run. Only time will tell if that is the case though.

Bradway is on his way out. That should fix the FO, not a worry to me. What is a legit concern is the staff. Mangigni needs some experience on the offensive side, and I don't much like the names I'm hearing. The length of this contract tells me the FO has decided to rebuild, and mangini will have a two year honeymoon. I think that is the perfect situation for him, little expectations in the first two years. I think it's the right team, at the right time, maybe a year before Mangini was ready, but not a problem.

New York and rebuilding doesn't usually go hand and hand. I would be shocked if there's any type of honeymoon period. That's just not how it works in the big city.

 

[Boston]

I haven't read all the posts but I have my doubts about this hire.  Mangini was definetly on the path to being a head coach.  There's no doubt about that.  He's a very smart guy who has been learning the ropes from BB for the past decade.  Yet, he's only been a DC for one year and the word locally is it took him a while before he really became comfortable and assertive with his new role this year.   Right now I have serious doubts that he's ready to run the whole show already.  Not only that but he's taking one of the most difficult jobs in the NFL.  The Jets have cap issues as well as a roster that was falling apart this year.  Add that to a rabid fan base and a very tough media and this is a big gamble for a non-proven commodity.  If Mangini can't get the job done the Jets could be in deep trouble for the near future.

As for Mangini I don't blame him for taking the position.  He knows people in the organization and he signed a deal that takes care of he and his family for quite some time.  That's a ton of cash to pass up.  Yet, in the long run I think he would have been better served staying with the Pats one more year and than taking a job that may have a better chance for success.

Also, if I were a Jets fan I would be absolutely petrified tht my organization was even considering Mike Tice for this position.  While I don't think Mangini is ready I do understand their thinking.  Yet, Mike Tice?  The fact they were even thinking about him should make you wonder about the powers that be in Jetland.

After listening to Mangini's press conference and his interviews on WFAM and 1050 ESPN, it was all but confirmed that Bill Belichick counseled Mangini against taking the Jets HC position. The ESPN crew asked him directly and Mangini said [paraphrasing] that Bill is his mentor, he will always value the friendship and his advice, in this case the Jets job was just something he had to dne thing no one can doubt is Mangini's drive. The guy coached in Australia, was a towel boy, was a quality control coach, and was a DC for the league's best team at 34. Also working in his favor is that both Saban and Crennel wanted Mangini as their DCs last year, which says a lot.

But working against him are the Jets cap/personnel issues AND a bigger problem in my opinion is Mangini's ability to staff. With Belichick, Crennel and Saban all staffing from the same coaching tree/rolodex, I have doubts about whether Mangini is going to be able to bring in the top tier assistants he'll need to get through the next few seasons in New York.

I don't think it has been confirmed but I do think BB probably did that. After BB's demise in Cleveland he swore he would never get into another situation as a head coach where the ownership/managment wasn't in great shape. This is why he didn't want the Jets job when the Tuna resigned. Especially since he knew at the time he may only have one more shot at being successful. Right now the Jets appear to be on shaky ground. Using BB's past experiences/philosophy it would make sense for him to advise Mangini that way.You bring up an excellent point about Mangini's staffing issues. Since he's young and has limited offensive experience good assistants are even more important. He definetly has his work cut out for him in that department for the reasons you gave.

Again, I do think Mangini was/is on the path to being a very good head coach. Yet, I just think this is the wrong team at the wrong time. One more year of seasoning with a healthy defense and another job that's not as daunting may have made more sense in the long run. Only time will tell if that is the case though.

It will be interesting to see whether the Jets retain Heimerdinger. He's under contract and they can absolutely force him to remain. But as we all know, Heimerdinger can make it VERY apparent that staying wouldn't be in the mutual best interests of the Jets and himself. As others have pointed out, Heimerdinger is all set to join Denver as their OC to replace Kubiak if the opportunity arises, and GM Terry Bradway says that Mangini has complete say in how to staff his assistants.

As of now I'm not hearing any rumors of any Patriot coaches making the move with him.

 

[Jason Wood]

I honestly believe Bradway used the illusion that Mike Tice was option #2 to his advantage and the NY media took the hook, line and sinker.By making the alternative "Mike Tice" instead of "someone else", the Jets media were IMMEDIATELY grateful to have Mangini hired.

 

[Rovers]

I haven't read all the posts but I have my doubts about this hire.  Mangini was definetly on the path to being a head coach.  There's no doubt about that.  He's a very smart guy who has been learning the ropes from BB for the past decade.  Yet, he's only been a DC for one year and the word locally is it took him a while before he really became comfortable and assertive with his new role this year.   Right now I have serious doubts that he's ready to run the whole show already.  Not only that but he's taking one of the most difficult jobs in the NFL.  The Jets have cap issues as well as a roster that was falling apart this year.  Add that to a rabid fan base and a very tough media and this is a big gamble for a non-proven commodity.  If Mangini can't get the job done the Jets could be in deep trouble for the near future.

As for Mangini I don't blame him for taking the position.  He knows people in the organization and he signed a deal that takes care of he and his family for quite some time.  That's a ton of cash to pass up.  Yet, in the long run I think he would have been better served staying with the Pats one more year and than taking a job that may have a better chance for success.

Also, if I were a Jets fan I would be absolutely petrified tht my organization was even considering Mike Tice for this position.  While I don't think Mangini is ready I do understand their thinking.  Yet, Mike Tice?  The fact they were even thinking about him should make you wonder about the powers that be in Jetland.

After listening to Mangini's press conference and his interviews on WFAM and 1050 ESPN, it was all but confirmed that Bill Belichick counseled Mangini against taking the Jets HC position. The ESPN crew asked him directly and Mangini said [paraphrasing] that Bill is his mentor, he will always value the friendship and his advice, in this case the Jets job was just something he had to dne thing no one can doubt is Mangini's drive. The guy coached in Australia, was a towel boy, was a quality control coach, and was a DC for the league's best team at 34. Also working in his favor is that both Saban and Crennel wanted Mangini as their DCs last year, which says a lot.

But working against him are the Jets cap/personnel issues AND a bigger problem in my opinion is Mangini's ability to staff. With Belichick, Crennel and Saban all staffing from the same coaching tree/rolodex, I have doubts about whether Mangini is going to be able to bring in the top tier assistants he'll need to get through the next few seasons in New York.

I don't think it has been confirmed but I do think BB probably did that. After BB's demise in Cleveland he swore he would never get into another situation as a head coach where the ownership/managment wasn't in great shape. This is why he didn't want the Jets job when the Tuna resigned. Especially since he knew at the time he may only have one more shot at being successful. Right now the Jets appear to be on shaky ground. Using BB's past experiences/philosophy it would make sense for him to advise Mangini that way.You bring up an excellent point about Mangini's staffing issues. Since he's young and has limited offensive experience good assistants are even more important. He definetly has his work cut out for him in that department for the reasons you gave.

Again, I do think Mangini was/is on the path to being a very good head coach. Yet, I just think this is the wrong team at the wrong time. One more year of seasoning with a healthy defense and another job that's not as daunting may have made more sense in the long run. Only time will tell if that is the case though.

Bradway is on his way out. That should fix the FO, not a worry to me. What is a legit concern is the staff. Mangigni needs some experience on the offensive side, and I don't much like the names I'm hearing. The length of this contract tells me the FO has decided to rebuild, and mangini will have a two year honeymoon. I think that is the perfect situation for him, little expectations in the first two years. I think it's the right team, at the right time, maybe a year before Mangini was ready, but not a problem.

New York and rebuilding doesn't usually go hand and hand. I would be shocked if there's any type of honeymoon period. That's just not how it works in the big city.

I don't agree at all. Coughlin wasn't expected to field a playoff team in his second year. The Giants were grooming a new QB, expectations were very low in his second year. Sure, there will be tools in the media and in the fan base, but most know and understand this team has big holes that can't be filled in a year or two.

 

[Boston]

It's tough to make that comparasion. Since the Giants quickly improved in Coughlin's second year he avoided the usual media nonsense. If he hadn't been successful this year who knows what may have happened. He obviously had issues his first year with his style and benching Warner for Manning. There wre definite grumblings about whether he was the right guy. Yet, he was also a proven commodity who had already proved he could take a team from scratch and quickly build them. If Mangini rights the ship quickly he'll be the toast of the town. If not it will get dicey. It always does in cities like NYC, Boston and Philly. They are unforgiving towns with overbearing media members. Patience is usually not a virtue.

 

[Jason Wood]

I haven't read all the posts but I have my doubts about this hire.  Mangini was definetly on the path to being a head coach.  There's no doubt about that.  He's a very smart guy who has been learning the ropes from BB for the past decade.  Yet, he's only been a DC for one year and the word locally is it took him a while before he really became comfortable and assertive with his new role this year.   Right now I have serious doubts that he's ready to run the whole show already.  Not only that but he's taking one of the most difficult jobs in the NFL.  The Jets have cap issues as well as a roster that was falling apart this year.  Add that to a rabid fan base and a very tough media and this is a big gamble for a non-proven commodity.  If Mangini can't get the job done the Jets could be in deep trouble for the near future.

As for Mangini I don't blame him for taking the position.  He knows people in the organization and he signed a deal that takes care of he and his family for quite some time.  That's a ton of cash to pass up.  Yet, in the long run I think he would have been better served staying with the Pats one more year and than taking a job that may have a better chance for success.

Also, if I were a Jets fan I would be absolutely petrified tht my organization was even considering Mike Tice for this position.  While I don't think Mangini is ready I do understand their thinking.  Yet, Mike Tice?  The fact they were even thinking about him should make you wonder about the powers that be in Jetland.

After listening to Mangini's press conference and his interviews on WFAM and 1050 ESPN, it was all but confirmed that Bill Belichick counseled Mangini against taking the Jets HC position. The ESPN crew asked him directly and Mangini said [paraphrasing] that Bill is his mentor, he will always value the friendship and his advice, in this case the Jets job was just something he had to dne thing no one can doubt is Mangini's drive. The guy coached in Australia, was a towel boy, was a quality control coach, and was a DC for the league's best team at 34. Also working in his favor is that both Saban and Crennel wanted Mangini as their DCs last year, which says a lot.

But working against him are the Jets cap/personnel issues AND a bigger problem in my opinion is Mangini's ability to staff. With Belichick, Crennel and Saban all staffing from the same coaching tree/rolodex, I have doubts about whether Mangini is going to be able to bring in the top tier assistants he'll need to get through the next few seasons in New York.

I don't think it has been confirmed but I do think BB probably did that. After BB's demise in Cleveland he swore he would never get into another situation as a head coach where the ownership/managment wasn't in great shape. This is why he didn't want the Jets job when the Tuna resigned. Especially since he knew at the time he may only have one more shot at being successful. Right now the Jets appear to be on shaky ground. Using BB's past experiences/philosophy it would make sense for him to advise Mangini that way.You bring up an excellent point about Mangini's staffing issues. Since he's young and has limited offensive experience good assistants are even more important. He definetly has his work cut out for him in that department for the reasons you gave.

Again, I do think Mangini was/is on the path to being a very good head coach. Yet, I just think this is the wrong team at the wrong time. One more year of seasoning with a healthy defense and another job that's not as daunting may have made more sense in the long run. Only time will tell if that is the case though.

Bradway is on his way out. That should fix the FO, not a worry to me. What is a legit concern is the staff. Mangigni needs some experience on the offensive side, and I don't much like the names I'm hearing. The length of this contract tells me the FO has decided to rebuild, and mangini will have a two year honeymoon. I think that is the perfect situation for him, little expectations in the first two years. I think it's the right team, at the right time, maybe a year before Mangini was ready, but not a problem.

New York and rebuilding doesn't usually go hand and hand. I would be shocked if there's any type of honeymoon period. That's just not how it works in the big city.

I don't agree at all. Coughlin wasn't expected to field a playoff team in his second year. The Giants were grooming a new QB, expectations were very low in his second year. Sure, there will be tools in the media and in the fan base, but most know and understand this team has big holes that can't be filled in a year or two.

I don't agree AT ALL. I listen to NY talking heads every day and there were rampant expectations of a playoff run for the Giants this year. To begin the season, I thought many of the talking heads/media were out of their minds for believing that, but obviously Coughlin proved me wrong.Mangini will have a very short leash. He'll have to be able to handle the media from day one and they won't give him a pass if the Jets play poorly. I believe the Jets ownership will be patient, but the media and fans most certainly will not.

And let's not forget that Woody Johnson still has delusions of grandeur regarding a new stadium and that's a lot easier to sell to the powers-that-be with a winning, exciting Jets team than a moribund losing franchise.

 

[Reaper]

The Jets have cap issues as well as a roster that was falling apart this year. Add that to a rabid fan base and a very tough media and this is a big gamble for a non-proven commodity. If Mangini can't get the job done the Jets could be in deep trouble for the near future.

Near Future? Trouble?Really in today's NFL... HOW BAD CAN IT GET?

5 years ago we were a team with Major Cap issues with Vinny - Now we're a team with Major cap issues with Chad.... Same Boat... There's only so far down you can go. And in the mean time they won some games those years in between.

Reality is - When the season ended, I'd say Jet fans were fed up with Herm and Bradway.... At this point Herm is gone, worst case from here on out, the next 3 years are a disaster and THEN Bradway is out, the team has a new GM AND new HC and start off probably with cap problems just like now, just like 5 years ago, just like the Dolphins last year.......

No matter what and how far you are down, I don't think you are ever more than 3 years away from competing - It takes about 3 years of "Rebuilding" Retooling" or whatever you want to call it - Usually to get out from the worst Salary situation and get "your Guys" on the team to make a run....

I don't see how "Bad" this hiring could be.... especially given the other options.

Mangini knows the Jets and he knows much of the Front office - I had my doubts if he would think this is a good Opportunity himself but, I'm glad in his decision and glad to have him....

Talk to me in 3 years - All I know is, it CAN'T get worse - We just lost the Greatest Stadium in the world proposal in NYC and the team is moving to Jersey for good, practice, which I won't get to go to anymore, and All....

 

[Boston]

The Jets have cap issues as well as a roster that was falling apart this year.  Add that to a rabid fan base and a very tough media and this is a big gamble for a non-proven commodity. If Mangini can't get the job done the Jets could be in deep trouble for the near future.

Near Future? Trouble?Really in today's NFL... HOW BAD CAN IT GET?

5 years ago we were a team with Major Cap issues with Vinny - Now we're a team with Major cap issues with Chad.... Same Boat... There's only so far down you can go. And in the mean time they won some games those years in between.

Reality is - When the season ended, I'd say Jet fans were fed up with Herm and Bradway.... At this point Herm is gone, worst case from here on out, the next 3 years are a disaster and THEN Bradway is out, the team has a new GM AND new HC and start off probably with cap problems just like now, just like 5 years ago, just like the Dolphins last year.......

No matter what and how far you are down, I don't think you are ever more than 3 years away from competing - It takes about 3 years of "Rebuilding" Retooling" or whatever you want to call it - Usually to get out from the worst Salary situation and get "your Guys" on the team to make a run....

I don't see how "Bad" this hiring could be.... especially given the other options.

Mangini knows the Jets and he knows much of the Front office - I had my doubts if he would think this is a good Opportunity himself but, I'm glad in his decision and glad to have him....

Talk to me in 3 years - All I know is, it CAN'T get worse - We just lost the Greatest Stadium in the world proposal in NYC and the team is moving to Jersey for good, practice, which I won't get to go to anymore, and All....

I went to college with one of the people who helped submarine the new stadium...your new leader of the City Council. Great person but unless lesbians are using the facility on a daily basis she's not going to help you out there.All we can do is sit back and see what happens in Jetland. I've said my piece so right now it's all speculation. I do know that a Jet team that was pretty solid seemed to be unraveling pretty quickly last season. The next few years will be important to get that train back on track.

 

[Bri]

Mangini could start by cleaning house

By KEN BERGER

STAFF WRITER

January 18, 2006

Eric Mangini's first order of business as the Jets' coach will be to meet with the coaching staff today and decide who stays and who goes.

No decisions were final as of yesterday, his first day on the job, but indications grew stronger that all three coordinators - Mike Heimerdinger (offense), Donnie Henderson (defense) and Mike Westhoff (special teams) - could be gone.

Henderson, who solidified his reputation as a championship-caliber defensive coordinator in his two-year stint, is the least likely to stay. Heimerdinger is expected to land in Denver with his college roommate, Mike Shanahan, once offensive coordinator Gary Kubiak's hiring as the Texans' coach is finalized.

Westhoff's case is the most interesting, considering he's got the longest track record of success with the Jets and his expertise, special teams, typically aren't the domain of the head coach - especially a first-year head coach.

On the early list of potential candidates to join Mangini's staff are Mike Sheppard, the Saints' offensive coordinator; Rob Ryan, the former Raiders' defensive coordinator; Jim Bates, the former Packers' defensive coordinator; Brian Daboll, the Patriots' receivers coach; and Pepper Johnson, the Patriots' defensive line coach. It is not clear whether Patriots coach Bill Belichick will allow any of his assistants to join Mangini.

Mangini is personally familiar with only two current members of the Jets' staff: defensive backs coach Corwin Brown, who could be a candidate for defensive coordinator, and strength coach Markus Paul, formerly with the Patriots.

The next step will be evaluating the talent on the roster, which has big questions at quarterback (Chad Pennington), running back (Curtis Martin, who attended Mangini's introductory news conference yesterday), and defensive end (John Abraham, who could be franchised again or traded), among others.

"I think Chad is a great competitor," Mangini said. "I think he's a hard worker. I think he's smart, and I respect all the things Chad has done. I haven't talked to any of the doctors. I haven't sat down with Chad. So until I do that, I won't really feel comfortable commenting any further."

Mangini said personnel decisions will be "a team effort, 100 percent," but made it clear that GM Terry Bradway will have final say. Bradway, who has two years left on his contract - half the time Mangini has - bristled at questions about who will be calling the shots.

"Yeah, I've got final say on personnel," Bradway said. "But you guys know how I operate, OK? This is going to be a team effort. I trust Eric, I trust Mike [Tannenbaum], and we're going to make the best decisions for the New York Jets. If things don't work out, blame me, because I'm in charge."

http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/jet...print&track=rss

 

[Bri]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football...4p-325977c.html

On his first full day as the Jets' coach, Eric Mangini began to shape his coaching staff. Although no official announcements were made, this much became apparent yesterday: Donnie Henderson is out as the defensive coordinator. Mangini is targeting longtime linebackers coach Bob Sutton as his replacement, according to several people with knowledge of the situation.

Offensive coordinator Mike Heimerdinger, who is scheduled to meet today with Mangini, appears to be a goner, too. Mangini has set his sights on Browns offensive line coach Jeff Davidson, according to two people familiar with his plans.

Special teams coach Mike Westhoff met with Mangini to discuss his future. Westhoff called it "a fair and honest conversation, but nothing was resolved." His fate probably will be determined today.

Westhoff, Heimerdinger and Henderson were among the eight candidates who interviewed for the Jets' head-coaching job.

That Mangini decided to change defensive coordinators came as no shock, although it was mildly surprising that he opted to keep the job in-house. Most of the speculation had focused on Raiders defensive coordinator Rob Ryan, a friend from their years together in New England, but Ryan is on the verge of signing a three-year extension in Oakland.

Former Packers defensive coordinator Jim Bates, another name in the rumor mill, said yesterday that he hasn't been contacted by Mangini.

Sutton is the choice, but as of last night, it wasn't clear if he had been offered - or had accepted - the job.

Sutton, 54, who served as the Army head coach from 1991 to 1999, began with the Jets in 2000 under Al Groh and became an immediate favorite of then-GM Bill Parcells. Sutton was retained by Herm Edwards in 2001, and again in 2004 when Edwards changed coordinators, bringing in the fiery Henderson. Under Sutton, Jonathan Vilma has developed into one of the NFL's top middle linebackers. Sutton has experience in 3-4 and 4-3 schemes. Mangini, who may prefer a 3-4, indicated that he will have a significant role in the defense.

"I think I'm going to help the defensive coordinator as much as I possibly can," Mangini said Tuesday at his first news conference. "I will have input on the defensive game plan and on the calls, and we'll work together."

Henderson, who spent two seasons as the coordinator, was granted permission by the Jets to interview for the Packers' coordinator job. He also interviewed for the Saints' head-coaching vacancy, which went to Sean Payton.

Under Henderson, the Jets finished seventh and 12th in total defense. He's a headstrong coach who clashed with players and people in the organization. He could wind up as Edwards' secondary coach in Kansas City.

As for the rest of the defensive staff, Mangini is going to retain secondary coach Corwin Brown and, quite possibly, line coach Denny Marcin.

Mangini's most important hire is the offensive-coordinator job, and he appears to be focusing on a coach - the 38-year-old Davidson - who has no coordinator experience and only one season as a position coach.

Heimerdinger is likely to surface as the Broncos' coordinator, once Gary Kubiak leaves to become the Texans' head coach.

 

[Bri]

IMO Westoff would be good to retain and cause little ripple effect. I can understand if he and Heimerdinger don't see eye to eye but as that author stated many 1st year coaches don't focus on special teams so much.I think the Pack would be a good spot for Henderson.

 

[Jason Wood]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football...4p-325977c.html

On his first full day as the Jets' coach, Eric Mangini began to shape his coaching staff. Although no official announcements were made, this much became apparent yesterday: Donnie Henderson is out as the defensive coordinator. Mangini is targeting longtime linebackers coach Bob Sutton as his replacement, according to several people with knowledge of the situation.

Offensive coordinator Mike Heimerdinger, who is scheduled to meet today with Mangini, appears to be a goner, too. Mangini has set his sights on Browns offensive line coach Jeff Davidson, according to two people familiar with his plans.

Special teams coach Mike Westhoff met with Mangini to discuss his future. Westhoff called it "a fair and honest conversation, but nothing was resolved." His fate probably will be determined today.

Westhoff, Heimerdinger and Henderson were among the eight candidates who interviewed for the Jets' head-coaching job.

That Mangini decided to change defensive coordinators came as no shock, although it was mildly surprising that he opted to keep the job in-house. Most of the speculation had focused on Raiders defensive coordinator Rob Ryan, a friend from their years together in New England, but Ryan is on the verge of signing a three-year extension in Oakland.

Former Packers defensive coordinator Jim Bates, another name in the rumor mill, said yesterday that he hasn't been contacted by Mangini.

Sutton is the choice, but as of last night, it wasn't clear if he had been offered - or had accepted - the job.

Sutton, 54, who served as the Army head coach from 1991 to 1999, began with the Jets in 2000 under Al Groh and became an immediate favorite of then-GM Bill Parcells. Sutton was retained by Herm Edwards in 2001, and again in 2004 when Edwards changed coordinators, bringing in the fiery Henderson. Under Sutton, Jonathan Vilma has developed into one of the NFL's top middle linebackers. Sutton has experience in 3-4 and 4-3 schemes. Mangini, who may prefer a 3-4, indicated that he will have a significant role in the defense.

"I think I'm going to help the defensive coordinator as much as I possibly can," Mangini said Tuesday at his first news conference. "I will have input on the defensive game plan and on the calls, and we'll work together."

Henderson, who spent two seasons as the coordinator, was granted permission by the Jets to interview for the Packers' coordinator job. He also interviewed for the Saints' head-coaching vacancy, which went to Sean Payton.

Under Henderson, the Jets finished seventh and 12th in total defense. He's a headstrong coach who clashed with players and people in the organization. He could wind up as Edwards' secondary coach in Kansas City.

As for the rest of the defensive staff, Mangini is going to retain secondary coach Corwin Brown and, quite possibly, line coach Denny Marcin.

Mangini's most important hire is the offensive-coordinator job, and he appears to be focusing on a coach - the 38-year-old Davidson - who has no coordinator experience and only one season as a position coach.

Heimerdinger is likely to surface as the Broncos' coordinator, once Gary Kubiak leaves to become the Texans' head coach.

Interesting re: Davidson...he was thought to be the favorite to replace Weis as the Pats OC, but joined Crennel's staff instead.

 

[zamboni]

While I'm overall pleased with the Mangini hiring, I do have to say I'm sad to see Henderson leave. He's really been one of the (few) bright spots for the organization over the past few years.Despite Mangini's background on the defensive side of the ball, I can't help but wonder if the defense takes a step back without Henderson to continue leading them.

 

[Mole]

While I'm overall pleased with the Mangini hiring, I do have to say I'm sad to see Henderson leave. He's really been one of the (few) bright spots for the organization over the past few years.

Despite Mangini's background on the defensive side of the ball, I can't help but wonder if the defense takes a step back without Henderson to continue leading them.

The Defensive players we had were too good to not play well, Henderson did an ok job motivating and calling Xs & Os, but I can remember more than one occaision where it looked like the players had no idea what they were doing out there. I beleive his success is a more a product of the players success that it is the otherway around.

 

[Jason Wood]

Did anyone else here the Mangini song on 1050 ESPN radio yesterday? Dear Lord that was hilarious.

 

[Bri]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football...4p-325977c.html

On his first full day as the Jets' coach, Eric Mangini began to shape his coaching staff. Although no official announcements were made, this much became apparent yesterday: Donnie Henderson is out as the defensive coordinator. Mangini is targeting longtime linebackers coach Bob Sutton as his replacement, according to several people with knowledge of the situation.

Offensive coordinator Mike Heimerdinger, who is scheduled to meet today with Mangini, appears to be a goner, too. Mangini has set his sights on Browns offensive line coach Jeff Davidson, according to two people familiar with his plans.

Special teams coach Mike Westhoff met with Mangini to discuss his future. Westhoff called it "a fair and honest conversation, but nothing was resolved." His fate probably will be determined today.

Westhoff, Heimerdinger and Henderson were among the eight candidates who interviewed for the Jets' head-coaching job.

That Mangini decided to change defensive coordinators came as no shock, although it was mildly surprising that he opted to keep the job in-house. Most of the speculation had focused on Raiders defensive coordinator Rob Ryan, a friend from their years together in New England, but Ryan is on the verge of signing a three-year extension in Oakland.

Former Packers defensive coordinator Jim Bates, another name in the rumor mill, said yesterday that he hasn't been contacted by Mangini.

Sutton is the choice, but as of last night, it wasn't clear if he had been offered - or had accepted - the job.

Sutton, 54, who served as the Army head coach from 1991 to 1999, began with the Jets in 2000 under Al Groh and became an immediate favorite of then-GM Bill Parcells. Sutton was retained by Herm Edwards in 2001, and again in 2004 when Edwards changed coordinators, bringing in the fiery Henderson. Under Sutton, Jonathan Vilma has developed into one of the NFL's top middle linebackers. Sutton has experience in 3-4 and 4-3 schemes. Mangini, who may prefer a 3-4, indicated that he will have a significant role in the defense.

"I think I'm going to help the defensive coordinator as much as I possibly can," Mangini said Tuesday at his first news conference. "I will have input on the defensive game plan and on the calls, and we'll work together."

Henderson, who spent two seasons as the coordinator, was granted permission by the Jets to interview for the Packers' coordinator job. He also interviewed for the Saints' head-coaching vacancy, which went to Sean Payton.

Under Henderson, the Jets finished seventh and 12th in total defense. He's a headstrong coach who clashed with players and people in the organization. He could wind up as Edwards' secondary coach in Kansas City.

As for the rest of the defensive staff, Mangini is going to retain secondary coach Corwin Brown and, quite possibly, line coach Denny Marcin.

Mangini's most important hire is the offensive-coordinator job, and he appears to be focusing on a coach - the 38-year-old Davidson - who has no coordinator experience and only one season as a position coach.

Heimerdinger is likely to surface as the Broncos' coordinator, once Gary Kubiak leaves to become the Texans' head coach.

Interesting re: Davidson...he was thought to be the favorite to replace Weis as the Pats OC, but joined Crennel's staff instead.

from USATodayCLEVELAND BROWNS-Named Jeff Davidson assistant head coach.