Mannigham likely done with Gmen, probably Tampa Bay (1 Viewer)

[bucsbaby]

Lot of people breaking out their jump to conclusions mats in here. Just because the Bucs are linked to the guy doesn't mean they are going to pay him 12 million a year. It also doesn't preclude them from bringing in another wideout to play with him. I think he's a useful player that will help the offense and Freeman out. Doesn't have to be much deeper than that.

It depends what kind of contract he's looking for then. I've read he wants somewhere in the $7M per range, which is way too much to spend on a WR2 for a team that has as many pressing needs as Tampa Bay.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Manningham > Williams or Benn

Manningham can run a route and get separation.

I agree, seems alot of people are selling Mario short on his talent, dude can play. Just ask BB

The issue is more with his ability to be the #1 WR and focal point of a passing attack, because it sounds like the pricetag is going to be in that range. If Josh Freeman was Drew Brees I'd be ok with having 3 #2 type WRs, but he's not. The Bucs need a big time #1 WR. I'm not really sure there will be anyone actually available that fits the bill. Is Mario Manningham really going to put the TB offense over the top at $7M per year? Meh.

Sidenote:

When was the last time a free agent WR that switched teams made a significant impact? TO?

I can think of guys that left via trade, but nobody that got a mega FA deal. Maybe it's just slipping my mind.

I agree he's not a big time #1. I believe, unquestionably, he's better than both Mike Williams or Benn. (Neither of whom knows how to run consistent routes). I think he's a #1 NFL WR right now(meaning one of the top 32 WR's in the league right now)I think Mario's going to make some decent $$ this offseason. He's young, talented, and consistently gets open. Of all the FA WR's in the pool, I think Mario's the one with the most upside and fewest dings (age/ability to separate/has thrived previously/not a long checkered injury history that could limit him in future)

Ideally, Mario's a #2 NFL WR. Just my feeling, someone will pay him to be their #1.

 

[redBourne]

Manningham > Williams or Benn

Manningham can run a route and get separation.

I agree, seems alot of people are selling Mario short on his talent, dude can play. Just ask BB

The issue is more with his ability to be the #1 WR and focal point of a passing attack, because it sounds like the pricetag is going to be in that range. If Josh Freeman was Drew Brees I'd be ok with having 3 #2 type WRs, but he's not. The Bucs need a big time #1 WR. I'm not really sure there will be anyone actually available that fits the bill. Is Mario Manningham really going to put the TB offense over the top at $7M per year? Meh.

Sidenote:

When was the last time a free agent WR that switched teams made a significant impact? TO?

I can think of guys that left via trade, but nobody that got a mega FA deal. Maybe it's just slipping my mind.

I agree he's not a big time #1. I believe, unquestionably, he's better than both Mike Williams or Benn. (Neither of whom knows how to run consistent routes). I think he's a #1 NFL WR right now(meaning one of the top 32 WR's in the league right now)I think Mario's going to make some decent $$ this offseason. He's young, talented, and consistently gets open. Of all the FA WR's in the pool, I think Mario's the one with the most upside and fewest dings (age/ability to separate/has thrived previously/not a long checkered injury history that could limit him in future)

Ideally, Mario's a #2 NFL WR. Just my feeling, someone will pay him to be their #1.

I would agree. He's not a pure #1, but he can put up good #1 numbers when coupled with a good wideout on the opposite side. Someone is going to pay for his services. I don't fathom it will be the Giants because he will want more then they will offer. Hindsight will only determine whether the team will overpay. This goes back to what I said before. We will only know whether this team will overpay because he will perform when put in the right opportunity.

 

[RUSF18]

Let's say he ends up in Tampa, what are dynasty owners doing with Manningham?

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Let's say he ends up in Tampa, what are dynasty owners doing with Manningham?

At this stage I am guessing most dynasty guys will have to hold. His value is low and his upside with an increased offensive role is too appealing to sell him low.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Maybe I'm missing something, but if Manningham is so great, why didn't he take the #2 role for the Giants and run with it? He had a couple decent seasons with a pretty solid QB playing across from a great receiver. Yet, Victor Cruz exploded in the role everyone thought Manningham would excel in.Also, I don't consider Manningham a top tier free agent WR, but I think he wants to be paid like one. If TB pays this guy to be their WR1 they are absolute boneheads.

No one is saying Manningham is great. Well at least it doesen't appear that anyone is saying he is great.I think the general feeling by people is that Manningham is going to be entering his prime age as a football player and he has his best years in front of him. He has shown very good ability in the NFL to not only get open, but to make plays and score TD's. He is an instant upgrade to many NFL receiving cores and therefore it is a causing an increased discussion about him as a free agent.Maybe he didin't take the number 2 role in NY because Nicks and Cruz are better players than him. This does not mean that Manningham can't be a very good starting NFL WR. He has a chance to be a good NFL WR (a very good WR 2 or 1 b in an offense), as indicated by not only his game in the SB, but by his numbers prior to this year.

 

[Grahamburn]

Maybe I'm missing something, but if Manningham is so great, why didn't he take the #2 role for the Giants and run with it? He had a couple decent seasons with a pretty solid QB playing across from a great receiver. Yet, Victor Cruz exploded in the role everyone thought Manningham would excel in.

Also, I don't consider Manningham a top tier free agent WR, but I think he wants to be paid like one. If TB pays this guy to be their WR1 they are absolute boneheads.

No one is saying Manningham is great. Well at least it doesen't appear that anyone is saying he is great.I think the general feeling by people is that Manningham is going to be entering his prime age as a football player and he has his best years in front of him. He has shown very good ability in the NFL to not only get open, but to make plays and score TD's. He is an instant upgrade to many NFL receiving cores and therefore it is a causing an increased discussion about him as a free agent.

Maybe he didin't take the number 2 role in NY because Nicks and Cruz are better players than him. This does not mean that Manningham can't be a very good starting NFL WR. He has a chance to be a good NFL WR (a very good WR 2 or 1 b in an offense), as indicated by not only his game in the SB, but by his numbers prior to this year.

The bolded is all I'm really trying to say. If TB pays him as a WR2 then that's fine (a 3 WR set with Manningham, Williams, and Benn looks good on paper), but to pay him WR1 $$ when I'm pretty sure he can't be successful in that role is idiotic. I just don't think Manningham significantly upgrades the WR position for the Bucs. They already have 4 average WRs. I'd like to see their cap dollars allocated elsewhere, and if they want to roll the dice on a WR becoming an elite #1 I'd rather it be Blackmon, because I know Mario won't be.

 

[gump]

I just don't think Manningham significantly upgrades the WR position for the Bucs. They already have 4 average WRs. I'd like to see their cap dollars allocated elsewhere, and if they want to roll the dice on a WR becoming an elite #1 I'd rather it be Blackmon, because I know Mario won't be.

Agree that I'd rather have Blackmon over Manningham, but not at the expense of Claiborne or Richardson. Too many good FA options at WR right now, with guys who are already experienced enough to make the immediate impact that a rookie will struggle with.

 

[houndirish]

Lots of myths being tossed around in this thread.

Free agent players get linked to teams this time of year all the time. Call me crazy but I don't think this report is any indicator of increased chances that Manningham goes to Tampa. That being said, if he does, I don't think he starts out as the number 3. Besides this report, there were immediate links to both Concy and Cleveland being interested in Manningham immediately after the Super Bowl. I also hear on ESPN radio last night that the Redskins are a possible landing spot. No sense talking Tampa until he actually goes there.

As for his skill set, Mario is NOT a good route runner. It's never been his forte. He's always been athletic and been able to get separation, however his fundamentals are not stellar. His hands are average and his footwork, especially near the sideline, are below par. Don't be fooled by the big catch in the Super Bowl. The play the prior series where he didn't get his feet down on a catchable deep route is more the norm for Mario.

He can excel in the right system but he's not a guy who's going to beat doubleteams and isn't good enough to be a team's #1 target. He's also a slow learner. His rookie season was a washout becuase he struggled to learn the playbook. Once he got it downpat he was able to put his skills on display and produce strong numbers for a young receiver.

As for replacements, I too have read that the Giants are hoping Jernigan can step up into Manningham's role. Steve Smith's name being thrown into the mix isn't surprising since the Giants think highly of him and never wanted to lose him to Philly. If Smith can prove he's healthy there's a good chance the Giants would give him serious consideration. I'd be very surprised to see the Eagles keep him. However the links of Smith to the Giants at this point are speculation since as was mentioned the Giants are permitted to comment on him.

As for the notion that free agent receivers don't produce for their new teams, I'd disagree. There's failures at every position but guys like Plax Burress, Wes Welker, Brandon Lloyd have proven that signees can make an impact.

The closest thing to a guarantee listed here is that Manningham won't be a Giant next season.

 

[Grahamburn]

I just don't think Manningham significantly upgrades the WR position for the Bucs. They already have 4 average WRs. I'd like to see their cap dollars allocated elsewhere, and if they want to roll the dice on a WR becoming an elite #1 I'd rather it be Blackmon, because I know Mario won't be.

Agree that I'd rather have Blackmon over Manningham, but not at the expense of Claiborne or Richardson. Too many good FA options at WR right now, with guys who are already experienced enough to make the immediate impact that a rookie will struggle with.

Blackmon, in my mind, could easily equal anything Manningham could bring to the table with the potential to be that #1 guy in the near future. I'm not advocating drafting Blackmon, but I'd rather Dominik go after him if they're looking to get Freeman some help. There are so many scenarios. I can't wait for free agency to start so some of this gets cleared up.

 

[redBourne]

Lots of myths being tossed around in this thread. Free agent players get linked to teams this time of year all the time. Call me crazy but I don't think this report is any indicator of increased chances that Manningham goes to Tampa. That being said, if he does, I don't think he starts out as the number 3. Besides this report, there were immediate links to both Concy and Cleveland being interested in Manningham immediately after the Super Bowl. I also hear on ESPN radio last night that the Redskins are a possible landing spot. No sense talking Tampa until he actually goes there.As for his skill set, Mario is NOT a good route runner. It's never been his forte. He's always been athletic and been able to get separation, however his fundamentals are not stellar. His hands are average and his footwork, especially near the sideline, are below par. Don't be fooled by the big catch in the Super Bowl. The play the prior series where he didn't get his feet down on a catchable deep route is more the norm for Mario. He can excel in the right system but he's not a guy who's going to beat doubleteams and isn't good enough to be a team's #1 target. He's also a slow learner. His rookie season was a washout becuase he struggled to learn the playbook. Once he got it downpat he was able to put his skills on display and produce strong numbers for a young receiver. As for replacements, I too have read that the Giants are hoping Jernigan can step up into Manningham's role. Steve Smith's name being thrown into the mix isn't surprising since the Giants think highly of him and never wanted to lose him to Philly. If Smith can prove he's healthy there's a good chance the Giants would give him serious consideration. I'd be very surprised to see the Eagles keep him. However the links of Smith to the Giants at this point are speculation since as was mentioned the Giants are permitted to comment on him.As for the notion that free agent receivers don't produce for their new teams, I'd disagree. There's failures at every position but guys like Plax Burress, Wes Welker, Brandon Lloyd have proven that signees can make an impact.The closest thing to a guarantee listed here is that Manningham won't be a Giant next season.

* Manningham to any team is just pure speculation at this point. But it's still fun to talk bout . * He apparently does have poor route running. They touched on that in the SB and noted that on the fade pass that he didn't give Manning enough space to throw the ball into and allow himself to drag his feet against the sideline.* I've already posted before that i think Manningham can perform in the right system. With the right elements. Agreed* Steve Smith back to the Giants has been speculation for a long time. I've been reading that around several places. * I don't think the notion was that wr's in general don't perform when transitioning to new teams, but that #1 wr's don't transition to new teams very well. I think the underlying factor for me is, how often to teams let their #1 WR get away to new teams. Perhaps I'm having trouble remembering ... Manningham trying to transition as a #1 to another team? Not with the faults you've listed and I agree with. So Manningham transitioning to another team expecting a #1 receiving but getting a WR with the faults we've listed is what I think the OP was referencing.

 

[Gawain]

MM was on with Francesa today (may have been the midday show) and put his chances at 50/50 to return. Other than that, there wasn't much else said, but he didn't sound overly optimistic.

 

[Rovers]

I wonder if the oft injured D Hixon figures into the Giants plans at all anymore. He showed some flashes of talent early, and will be coming off a significant knee injury.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

There's no shot Mario returns to NYG. He's going to get a big contract elsewhere. I think Steve Smith is a shoe in to return there. Plus they got Hixon and Jernigan/Barden in waiting.

 

[jurb26]

I'm in the camp that thinks Manningham is all but certain to be leaving NYG. I know there are reports that it's 50/50 but I just think that is posturing right now. Manningham is going to get offered more money that NYG will be willing to pay. He is only 25 yrs old and has never had the benefit of signing a big contract because of his draft position and rookie contract. Also, he's won a SB so sticking around to get a ring makes no sense IMO.

So if TB isn't the team, then who else might be? I could see him being a good fit in SF as a compliment to Davis and Crabtree. I'm not sure SF is good for his fantasy status.

 

[inzanitee]

So if TB isn't the team, then who else might be? I could see him being a good fit in SF as a compliment to Davis and Crabtree. I'm not sure SF is good for his fantasy status.

I could see him in SF. What about Chicago? They need more than one WR. Miami, Houston, Cincy, Cleveland. I could see him playing for any number of teams, especially if he wasn't expected to be the #1. As a #2 I think he makes more sense.

 

[Bri]

http://www.cbssports...384866/34996521

INDIANAPOLIS -- While New York Giants' general manager Jerry Reese refused to speculate on the future of Super Bowl hero and soon-to-be-free-agent Mario Manningham, sources at this weekend's NFL scouting combine said there is virtually no chance he is back with the Giants.

Instead, they said, Manningham is expected to follow former Giants assistant Mike Sullivan to Tampa Bay. Sullivan, who was the Giants quarterbacks coach, took a job as Tampa Bay's offensive coordinator.

Manningham was the Giants' third leading receiver last season with 39 catches, but he recently told The Vindicator of Youngstown, Ohio, there was a "75 percent chance" he wouldn't return to the Giants and that he "wants the ball more." With Hakeem Nicks and Victor Cruz each producing over 1,000 yards in receptions last season, that is unlikely to happen in New York.

But there are other reasons Manningham won't be back, sources said. First, they said, he would know Sullivan's offense, so there is no learning curve. Second, people close to Manningham indicate that he wants to go to a warm-weather club, and last time I checked Tampa Bay qualified on that score. Third, sources said the Giants probably wouldn't make him a contract offer, not only because they believe his price may be too high but because they're more interested in a wide receiver who can line up at more than one or two spots at the position, which, they said, Manningham cannot.

Manningham's 38-yard over-the-shoulder catch led the Giants to a come-from-behind victory over New England in Super Bowl XLVI -- a catch reminiscent of David Tyree's spectactular reception in Super Bowl XLII and a catch that, like Manningham, led the Giants to a comeback defeat of the Patriots.

Tyree never caught another pass for New York, and, it appears, Manningham won't, either.

"He won't be back," one source predicted.

why would he be likely to follow a QB coach or to already know an offense this QB coach has never created?This article takes a few odd leaps.

 

[Bri]

I'm in the camp that thinks Manningham is all but certain to be leaving NYG. I know there are reports that it's 50/50 but I just think that is posturing right now. Manningham is going to get offered more money that NYG will be willing to pay. He is only 25 yrs old and has never had the benefit of signing a big contract because of his draft position and rookie contract. Also, he's won a SB so sticking around to get a ring makes no sense IMO. So if TB isn't the team, then who else might be? I could see him being a good fit in SF as a compliment to Davis and Crabtree. I'm not sure SF is good for his fantasy status.

I think he's a great add as a complimentary WR. I don't think he can be relied upon as a #1 by any stretch. I've liked Morgan and Crabtree for a long time but those two always seem to underperform yet get appreciated by the Niners for it. I like your theory, but I'd be surprised if the Niners do anything to supplant Morgan or Crabtree.

 

[Sabertooth]

He is virtually the same caliber as James Jones. He is going to find that the market is pretty soft for 25 year guys with "potential" in their bio.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

He is virtually the same caliber as James Jones. He is going to find that the market is pretty soft for 25 year guys with "potential" in their bio.

link to James Jones' 1,000 yard, 9 TD season?

 

[Sabertooth]

Ancient history. He's coming off a terrible season where he dropped down the depth chart.

I never said they were exactly the same. No two players are identical. Similar skill and inconsitency is why I mentioned Jones.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Ancient history.

I never said they were exactly the same. No two players are identical. Similar skill and inconsitency is why I mentioned Jones.

The similiar skill levels are certainly open to debate and I don't necessarily disagree, but the point is with Manningham it isn't strictly "potential" when he has already showm production.

 

[Sabertooth]

Ancient history.

I never said they were exactly the same. No two players are identical. Similar skill and inconsitency is why I mentioned Jones.

The similiar skill levels are certainly open to debate and I don't necessarily disagree, but the point is with Manningham it isn't strictly "potential" when he has already showm production.

He did have the one year of production. He also concussed himself on this play last season because he couldn't catch a ball cleanly despite no coverage. It's like the exact opposite of the Super Bowl catch. Which really speaks to his inconsistency.

 

[Two Deep]

Maybe I'm missing something, but if Manningham is so great, why didn't he take the #2 role for the Giants and run with it? He had a couple decent seasons with a pretty solid QB playing across from a great receiver. Yet, Victor Cruz exploded in the role everyone thought Manningham would excel in.Also, I don't consider Manningham a top tier free agent WR, but I think he wants to be paid like one. If TB pays this guy to be their WR1 they are absolute boneheads.

Victor Cruz played the slot; Steve Smith played the slot when he was there, both had excellent years in the slot. Eli Manning loves to throw to the slot.

 

[Chairshot]

Manningham is a good WR. But he's not THAT good. Giants fans mostly realize that he's talented but very, very inconsistent. The Superbowl catch notwithstanding, he doesn't make a lot of tough catches, in my estimation.

I think he can definitely help plenty of teams, maybe even in a large way if he is in the right situation. But I doubt very much that he can be a #1. My guess is that he will probably end up reasonably productive but over paid.

ETA: James Jones seems like a good comparison. Jabar Gaffney and Laurent Robinson seem like good comps to me, too. They are good, productive players but they aren't going to be a guy that should be taking up a big chunk of a teams salary cap.

 

[gianmarco]

I wonder if many realize Mario led the team in catch % in 2010. Better than Nicks. Better than Smith. And, had higher ypr and TD %. That doesn't happen by accident.

 

[inzanitee]

Ancient history.

I never said they were exactly the same. No two players are identical. Similar skill and inconsitency is why I mentioned Jones.

The similiar skill levels are certainly open to debate and I don't necessarily disagree, but the point is with Manningham it isn't strictly "potential" when he has already showm production.

He did have the one year of production. He also concussed himself on this play last season because he couldn't catch a ball cleanly despite no coverage. It's like the exact opposite of the Super Bowl catch. Which really speaks to his inconsistency.

LMAO.

 

[jurb26]

I wonder if many realize Mario led the team in catch % in 2010. Better than Nicks. Better than Smith. And, had higher ypr and TD %. That doesn't happen by accident.

Don't let facts get in the way of some people's bashing session. Manningham is a good WR. He just isn't great. He is good enough to ge a great WR2 on almost any team. He will struggle as any teams WR1 though. Mannigham's biggest challenge IMO is that he just isn't very bright and is a slow learner. I would imagine this is also why he has never been relied apon to play the slot role in NYG. Seeing that he is still only 25, I'd have to think his best years are ahead of him.

 

[Sabertooth]

He might be a good 2 but he simply wasn't good enough to do that in NY. If he can't run the correct routes though he will never get consistent targets.

 

[Grahamburn]

I wonder if many realize Mario led the team in catch % in 2010. Better than Nicks. Better than Smith. And, had higher ypr and TD %. That doesn't happen by accident.

Don't let facts get in the way of some people's bashing session. Manningham is a good WR. He just isn't great. He is good enough to ge a great WR2 on almost any team. He will struggle as any teams WR1 though. Mannigham's biggest challenge IMO is that he just isn't very bright and is a slow learner. I would imagine this is also why he has never been relied apon to play the slot role in NYG. Seeing that he is still only 25, I'd have to think his best years are ahead of him.

There's fantasy football and then there's real NFL football. I'm judging Manningham on the latter. Sure, he may put up some statistics here and there, but his inconsistent play will severely hurt the team that signs him. I don't want my team to be the one making the mistake.

 

[inzanitee]

I wonder if many realize Mario led the team in catch % in 2010. Better than Nicks. Better than Smith. And, had higher ypr and TD %. That doesn't happen by accident.

Don't let facts get in the way of some people's bashing session. Manningham is a good WR. He just isn't great. He is good enough to ge a great WR2 on almost any team. He will struggle as any teams WR1 though. Mannigham's biggest challenge IMO is that he just isn't very bright and is a slow learner. I would imagine this is also why he has never been relied apon to play the slot role in NYG. Seeing that he is still only 25, I'd have to think his best years are ahead of him.

There's fantasy football and then there's real NFL football. I'm judging Manningham on the latter. Sure, he may put up some statistics here and there, but his inconsistent play will severely hurt the team that signs him. I don't want my team to be the one making the mistake.

I like how you make it seem like anyone disagreeing with you doesn't know anything about "real football."

 

[Grahamburn]

I wonder if many realize Mario led the team in catch % in 2010. Better than Nicks. Better than Smith. And, had higher ypr and TD %. That doesn't happen by accident.

Don't let facts get in the way of some people's bashing session. Manningham is a good WR. He just isn't great. He is good enough to ge a great WR2 on almost any team. He will struggle as any teams WR1 though. Mannigham's biggest challenge IMO is that he just isn't very bright and is a slow learner. I would imagine this is also why he has never been relied apon to play the slot role in NYG. Seeing that he is still only 25, I'd have to think his best years are ahead of him.

There's fantasy football and then there's real NFL football. I'm judging Manningham on the latter. Sure, he may put up some statistics here and there, but his inconsistent play will severely hurt the team that signs him. I don't want my team to be the one making the mistake.

I like how you make it seem like anyone disagreeing with you doesn't know anything about "real football."

 

[inzanitee]

I wonder if many realize Mario led the team in catch % in 2010. Better than Nicks. Better than Smith. And, had higher ypr and TD %. That doesn't happen by accident.

Don't let facts get in the way of some people's bashing session. Manningham is a good WR. He just isn't great. He is good enough to ge a great WR2 on almost any team. He will struggle as any teams WR1 though. Mannigham's biggest challenge IMO is that he just isn't very bright and is a slow learner. I would imagine this is also why he has never been relied apon to play the slot role in NYG. Seeing that he is still only 25, I'd have to think his best years are ahead of him.

There's fantasy football and then there's real NFL football. I'm judging Manningham on the latter. Sure, he may put up some statistics here and there, but his inconsistent play will severely hurt the team that signs him. I don't want my team to be the one making the mistake.

I like how you make it seem like anyone disagreeing with you doesn't know anything about "real football."

Maybe I'm the one who is confused lol. I thought you were implying that Manningham isn't any good because you're judging him on "real football", and anyone suggesting he is good is only looking at it from a fantasy perspective.

 

[Grahamburn]

I wonder if many realize Mario led the team in catch % in 2010. Better than Nicks. Better than Smith. And, had higher ypr and TD %. That doesn't happen by accident.

Don't let facts get in the way of some people's bashing session. Manningham is a good WR. He just isn't great. He is good enough to ge a great WR2 on almost any team. He will struggle as any teams WR1 though. Mannigham's biggest challenge IMO is that he just isn't very bright and is a slow learner. I would imagine this is also why he has never been relied apon to play the slot role in NYG. Seeing that he is still only 25, I'd have to think his best years are ahead of him.

There's fantasy football and then there's real NFL football. I'm judging Manningham on the latter. Sure, he may put up some statistics here and there, but his inconsistent play will severely hurt the team that signs him. I don't want my team to be the one making the mistake.

I like how you make it seem like anyone disagreeing with you doesn't know anything about "real football."

Maybe I'm the one who is confused lol. I thought you were implying that Manningham isn't any good because you're judging him on "real football", and anyone suggesting he is good is only looking at it from a fantasy perspective.

I am doing that, but that doesn't necessarily mean I'm insinuating they know nothing about "real football." Looking at Manningham's end of year statistics in 2009 and 2010 doesn't paint the entire picture of the player he really is. He has insonsistent hands, often runs poor routes, and doesn't adjust to the football particularly well. If he's put in a position where he goes up against the top corner of the opposing defense I expect him to struggle.Also, nobody has said Manningham "isn't any good." He's an adequate WR2. I just don't see him as #1WR $7M per year good for the reasons mentioned above, and I don't want my team to sign him.

 

[jurb26]

I wonder if many realize Mario led the team in catch % in 2010. Better than Nicks. Better than Smith. And, had higher ypr and TD %. That doesn't happen by accident.

Don't let facts get in the way of some people's bashing session. Manningham is a good WR. He just isn't great. He is good enough to ge a great WR2 on almost any team. He will struggle as any teams WR1 though. Mannigham's biggest challenge IMO is that he just isn't very bright and is a slow learner. I would imagine this is also why he has never been relied apon to play the slot role in NYG. Seeing that he is still only 25, I'd have to think his best years are ahead of him.

There's fantasy football and then there's real NFL football. I'm judging Manningham on the latter. Sure, he may put up some statistics here and there, but his inconsistent play will severely hurt the team that signs him. I don't want my team to be the one making the mistake.

I like how you make it seem like anyone disagreeing with you doesn't know anything about "real football."

Maybe I'm the one who is confused lol. I thought you were implying that Manningham isn't any good because you're judging him on "real football", and anyone suggesting he is good is only looking at it from a fantasy perspective.

I am doing that, but that doesn't necessarily mean I'm insinuating they know nothing about "real football." Looking at Manningham's end of year statistics in 2009 and 2010 doesn't paint the entire picture of the player he really is. He has insonsistent hands, often runs poor routes, and doesn't adjust to the football particularly well. If he's put in a position where he goes up against the top corner of the opposing defense I expect him to struggle.Also, nobody has said Manningham "isn't any good." He's an adequate WR2. I just don't see him as #1WR $7M per year good for the reasons mentioned above, and I don't want my team to sign him.

Nobody has disagreed with the statement that Manningham is inconsistent. Nicks has more drops than Manningham the past 2 years and Manningham has a better catch rate than any other NYG WR. So the point is that a lot of people are exagerrating the level of "inconsistancy." This was very evident on the no catch in the SB on the sideline. Sure, Mannigham could have made a better effort to drag his feet on that play but Manning still threw the ball way to far to the outside. Collensworth's nifty little diagram misrepresented that play IMO and placed all of the fault on Manningham. There was plenty of room to make that throw and lead Mario in bounds. The other aspect of this is that Manningham is still young. Most young WR are inconsistent. Especially those who are not particularly bright. That is Mario. He is entering his prime the next few years and he should be able to improve on the things that make him inconsistent. I don't think he will ever be reliable enough to perform as a true WR1 but he can certainly put up flashes of that ability. I think of P. Price, the WR from Buf year ago, when I think of Manningham. A guy who can be a top WR2 but bellow average WR1.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

He's better than Bernard Berrian was, and the Vikes threw him a boatload.

 

[Sabertooth]

He's better than Bernard Berrian was, and the Vikes threw him a boatload.

I'm not sure he's better than Berrian.

 

[Chairshot]

He's better than Bernard Berrian was, and the Vikes threw him a boatload.

I'm not sure he's better than Berrian.

I'd say Berrian is a little better.Also, I don't doubt at all that some team will throw a boatload at him. I'm just thinking that it will be hard for him to live up to a huge contract, if he were to get one. I think it's very likely that he will be considered vastly overpaid a year or two from now.

 

[duaneok66]

Manningham may be overrated on this thread, but (unlike Berrian) at least he has a pulse.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Awfully quiet so far with Manningham.

Pure speculation on my part. Could he be waiting for Manning to decide on a spot in hopes of moving on from Eli to play with his older brother?

 

[identikit]

Awfully quiet so far with Manningham.Pure speculation on my part. Could he be waiting for Manning to decide on a spot in hopes of moving on from Eli to play with his older brother?

No.

 

[Shutout]

I've got a kooky feeling that Manningham is going to end up in St. Louis or New England, San Fran or Detroit (yes, Detroit).

He seems to be the classic guy that everyone buzzes about, but then tears down a bit so his pervceived value gets eroded and he can't break the bank. So he sits longer than most expect and one of the solid teams that is used to getting in on the 2nd wave of FA comes in and puts him in a place where he can actually thrive.

I actually think its a better scenario for him because I think it would be horrible for him to be THE guy and chase money in a place like Jacksonville, but as a 1A, I think he will have a good season.

All that said, it just dawned on me that if he sits too long, he may end up staying in town and playing for the Jets.

 

[FavreCo]

Awfully quiet so far with Manningham.Pure speculation on my part. Could he be waiting for Manning to decide on a spot in hopes of moving on from Eli to play with his older brother?

No.

How about waiting for Tebow (to get traded) and Robinson to sign with Jax before making his big splash in Jax?.

 

[Da Guru]

I've got a kooky feeling that Manningham is going to end up in St. Louis or New England, San Fran or Detroit (yes, Detroit). He seems to be the classic guy that everyone buzzes about, but then tears down a bit so his pervceived value gets eroded and he can't break the bank. So he sits longer than most expect and one of the solid teams that is used to getting in on the 2nd wave of FA comes in and puts him in a place where he can actually thrive.I actually think its a better scenario for him because I think it would be horrible for him to be THE guy and chase money in a place like Jacksonville, but as a 1A, I think he will have a good season. All that said, it just dawned on me that if he sits too long, he may end up staying in town and playing for the Jets.

MM is not going to end up in Detroit. If they would have released Burleson I would say yes, but he just re-did his deal. With CJ, Nate and Titus Young, the Lions are all set at WR.

 

[finito]

Miami seems a tad short on WRs at the moment. I actually think a Manningham/Laurent Robinson combo could be pretty good.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

All within the hour....

KFFL) The Buffalo Bills have had early discussions with free-agent WR Mario Manningham (Giants) about a possible deal. 1 hour

Dolphins | Talking with Mario Manningham (KFFL)

The Miami Dolphins have had early discussions with free-agent WR Mario Manningham (Giants) about a possible deal. 1 hour

 

[gianmarco]

Mario visiting St. Louis tonight and tomorrow. Might actually be a very good fit with Lloyd leaving.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Awfully quiet so far with Manningham.Pure speculation on my part. Could he be waiting for Manning to decide on a spot in hopes of moving on from Eli to play with his older brother?

No.

He may have moved all in here to hopefully help get Manning to the 49ers.

 

[identikit]

Awfully quiet so far with Manningham.Pure speculation on my part. Could he be waiting for Manning to decide on a spot in hopes of moving on from Eli to play with his older brother?

No.

He may have moved all in here to hopefully help get Manning to the 49ers.

Or he took the best deal (of the probably few offered) for him personally.