Manning in '06 (1 Viewer)

[Weiner Dog]

Here are Manning's attempts/completions the past four years...

'02 ~ 392 / 591

'03 ~ 379 / 566

'04 ~ 336 / 497

'05 ~ 305 / 453

Here are James' rushing attempts the past four years...

'02 ~ 277

'03 ~ 310

'04 ~ 334

'05 ~ 360

I think everybody agrees the Colts running game is set to take a major hit this year. James is simply one of the best RB's of all-time. I also think everybody agrees there's probably less than a 1% chance of either Addai or Rhodes toting the ball 300+ times. If this holds true, Manning could resurge his passing attempts/completions to the 560-600/375-400 range, as opposed to current range of 450-500/300-340. I believe Manning will have no problem eclipsing 4500+ yards this year (injury permitting).

Now...I know the defense has improved 10-fold the past few years, but I think the loss of Edge will improve Manning's FF greatness more than the continued improvement of the Colts D has (...which I don't see improving).

 

[Phlash]

Here are Manning's attempts/completions the past four years...

'02 ~ 392 / 591

'03 ~ 379 / 566

'04 ~ 336 / 497

'05 ~ 305 / 453

Here are James' rushing attempts the past four years...

'02 ~ 277

'03 ~ 310

'04 ~ 334

'05 ~ 360

I think everybody agrees the Colts running game is set to take a major hit this year. James is simply one of the best RB's of all-time. I also think everybody agrees there's probably less than a 1% chance of either Addai or Rhodes toting the ball 300+ times. If this holds true, Manning could resurge his passing attempts/completions to the 560-600/375-400 range, as opposed to current range of 450-500/300-340. I believe Manning will have no problem eclipsing 4500+ yards this year (injury permitting).

Now...I know the defense has improved 10-fold the past few years, but I think the loss of Edge will improve Manning's FF greatness more than the continued improvement of the Colts D has (...which I don't see improving).

I quit reading after that line.

 

[aposulli]

Here are Manning's attempts/completions the past four years...

'02 ~ 392 / 591

'03 ~ 379 / 566

'04 ~ 336 / 497

'05 ~ 305 / 453

Here are James' rushing attempts the past four years...

'02 ~ 277

'03 ~ 310

'04 ~ 334

'05 ~ 360

I think everybody agrees the Colts running game is set to take a major hit this year.  James is simply one of the best RB's of all-time.  I also think everybody agrees there's probably less than a 1% chance of either Addai or Rhodes toting the ball 300+ times.  If this holds true, Manning could resurge his passing attempts/completions to the 560-600/375-400 range, as opposed to current range of 450-500/300-340.  I believe Manning will have no problem eclipsing 4500+ yards this year (injury permitting).

Now...I know the defense has improved 10-fold the past few years, but I think the loss of Edge will improve Manning's FF greatness more than the continued improvement of the Colts D has (...which I don't see improving).

I don't see why not. Uber productivity for years upon years, even after major knee surgery. Tough naming 5 guys in the past 10 years who have been more productive. And he's got years ahead of him.Sorry, didn't mean to hijack the thread.

I do think Manning will come closer to his 2004 stats than his 2005 #s.

 

[radballs]

I think it was Yudkin who had a thread about this last week.

 

[radballs]

Yudkin's take on this

 

[jurb26]

I quit reading after that line.

Why, James has had a very impressive career and is still fairly young.

 

[Weiner Dog]

Here are Manning's attempts/completions the past four years...

'02 ~ 392 / 591

'03 ~ 379 / 566

'04 ~ 336 / 497

'05 ~ 305 / 453

Here are James' rushing attempts the past four years...

'02 ~ 277

'03 ~ 310

'04 ~ 334

'05 ~ 360

I think everybody agrees the Colts running game is set to take a major hit this year. James is simply one of the best RB's of all-time. I also think everybody agrees there's probably less than a 1% chance of either Addai or Rhodes toting the ball 300+ times. If this holds true, Manning could resurge his passing attempts/completions to the 560-600/375-400 range, as opposed to current range of 450-500/300-340. I believe Manning will have no problem eclipsing 4500+ yards this year (injury permitting).

Now...I know the defense has improved 10-fold the past few years, but I think the loss of Edge will improve Manning's FF greatness more than the continued improvement of the Colts D has (...which I don't see improving).

I quit reading after that line.

Two RB's in NFL history have averaged more than 125 total yards/game in their careers...Jim Brown

Edgerrin James

 

[aposulli]

Two RB's in NFL history have averaged more than 125 total yards/game in their careers...

Jim Brown

Edgerrin James

nice.

 

[fruity pebbles]

But even with the increased number of passes in 2002 and 2003, his fantasy production wasn't increased. Also I think his chances of getting hurt without James increases several fold.

 

[Weiner Dog]

But even with the increased number of passes in 2002 and 2003, his fantasy production wasn't increased. Also I think his chances of getting hurt without James increases several fold.

Really?? Compared to '04 or '05??Collectively, Manning averaged 264 yards/game and 28 TD's in '02 and '03. He averaged 234 yards/game and had 28 TD's last year. I'm confused how his scoring wasn't higher...

Regarding his chances of being hurt...yeah, a case could be made that Edge's blocking skills will be surely missed. However, it's difficult to predict/factor an injury for a guy who has never missed one single NFL game and who barely gets sacked once per game.

 

[gebz306]

Here are Manning's attempts/completions the past four years...

'02 ~ 392 / 591

'03 ~ 379 / 566

'04 ~ 336 / 497

'05 ~ 305 / 453

Here are James' rushing attempts the past four years...

'02 ~ 277

'03 ~ 310

'04 ~ 334

'05 ~ 360

I think everybody agrees the Colts running game is set to take a major hit this year.  James is simply one of the best RB's of all-time.  I also think everybody agrees there's probably less than a 1% chance of either Addai or Rhodes toting the ball 300+ times.  If this holds true, Manning could resurge his passing attempts/completions to the 560-600/375-400 range, as opposed to current range of 450-500/300-340.  I believe Manning will have no problem eclipsing 4500+ yards this year (injury permitting).

Now...I know the defense has improved 10-fold the past few years, but I think the loss of Edge will improve Manning's FF greatness more than the continued improvement of the Colts D has (...which I don't see improving).

I quit reading after that line.

Thats Funny..... although he is on the right track. Seriously, Manning WAS limited last year. They do not have that confidence in the RB situation this year. As a former QB myself, when things get tough, you decide to take things in your own hands and go with what works. Obviously signs are pointing toward Manning to throw more, but you have to remember that INDY has a GOOD DEFENSE! Can anybody tell me the last time a QB had phenomenal stats on a team with a good D? Indy plays crappy teams Buf, Jets, Ten, Hou....6 times. His overall stats for the year may be "somewhat limited" b/c of this, but his fantasy playoff schedule looks very promissing by playing @Jac wk 14 and home vs Cinci wk 15....is

My draft is an auction. With the amount of quality or qbbc out there I will stay away from Manning unless he is under $30

 

[fruity pebbles]

But even with the increased number of passes in 2002 and 2003, his fantasy production wasn't increased. Also I think his chances of getting hurt without James increases several fold.

Really?? Compared to '04 or '05??Collectively, Manning averaged 264 yards/game and 28 TD's in '02 and '03. He averaged 234 yards/game and had 28 TD's last year. I'm confused how his scoring wasn't higher...

Regarding his chances of being hurt...yeah, a case could be made that Edge's blocking skills will be surely missed. However, it's difficult to predict/factor an injury for a guy who has never missed one single NFL game and who barely gets sacked once per game.

He essentially played in only a little over 14 games last year since Indy wrapped up their playoff spot early. Comparing apples to apples, he was actually around 260 yards per game last year. Difference between 2002-2003 and last year being negligible.

 

[Phlash]

Edge is a great RB, but I can't see him as one of the best of all time. When I think of best of all time, I'm talking top 3, top 5, not top 15 which he could very well be.

 

[Weiner Dog]

Here are Manning's attempts/completions the past four years...

'02 ~ 392 / 591

'03 ~ 379 / 566

'04 ~ 336 / 497

'05 ~ 305 / 453

Here are James' rushing attempts the past four years...

'02 ~ 277

'03 ~ 310

'04 ~ 334

'05 ~ 360

I think everybody agrees the Colts running game is set to take a major hit this year. James is simply one of the best RB's of all-time. I also think everybody agrees there's probably less than a 1% chance of either Addai or Rhodes toting the ball 300+ times. If this holds true, Manning could resurge his passing attempts/completions to the 560-600/375-400 range, as opposed to current range of 450-500/300-340. I believe Manning will have no problem eclipsing 4500+ yards this year (injury permitting).

Now...I know the defense has improved 10-fold the past few years, but I think the loss of Edge will improve Manning's FF greatness more than the continued improvement of the Colts D has (...which I don't see improving).

I quit reading after that line.

Thats Funny..... although he is on the right track. Seriously, Manning WAS limited last year. They do not have that confidence in the RB situation this year. As a former QB myself, when things get tough, you decide to take things in your own hands and go with what works. Obviously signs are pointing toward Manning to throw more, but you have to remember that INDY has a GOOD DEFENSE! Can anybody tell me the last time a QB had phenomenal stats on a team with a good D? Indy plays crappy teams Buf, Jets, Ten, Hou....6 times. His overall stats for the year may be "somewhat limited" b/c of this, but his fantasy playoff schedule looks very promissing by playing @Jac wk 14 and home vs Cinci wk 15....is

My draft is an auction. With the amount of quality or qbbc out there I will stay away from Manning unless he is under $30

You make a very good point about Manning playing BUF, NYJ, TEN and HOU a total of six times. Good call. I just don't know if the Colts have the running power to consistently drain the clock in the 2nd-half of games this year.I really think the Colts D was a mini-fluke last year. Their #11 overall ranking from '05 is fairly titled "GOOD" and should again be in the top 1/2 of the League again this year. However, I can't ignore the same D (...minus David Thornton) was also ranked #29 overall in '04. I cannot think of a less spectacular crew of LB's starting in the NFL (OK...insert the Saints here).

Don't forget...the Colts play HOU in Week 16!!! The Texans had the #31 overall D in '05.

 

[Weiner Dog]

But even with the increased number of passes in 2002 and 2003, his fantasy production wasn't increased. Also I think his chances of getting hurt without James increases several fold.

Really?? Compared to '04 or '05??Collectively, Manning averaged 264 yards/game and 28 TD's in '02 and '03. He averaged 234 yards/game and had 28 TD's last year. I'm confused how his scoring wasn't higher...

Regarding his chances of being hurt...yeah, a case could be made that Edge's blocking skills will be surely missed. However, it's difficult to predict/factor an injury for a guy who has never missed one single NFL game and who barely gets sacked once per game.

He essentially played in only a little over 14 games last year since Indy wrapped up their playoff spot early. Comparing apples to apples, he was actually around 260 yards per game last year. Difference between 2002-2003 and last year being negligible.

True. You make a good point.Assuming he missed 50 attempts and 33 completions last year b/c of the final two weeks, Manning would have been in-line with his '04 season of approx 340 completions and 500 completions.

I think if the Colts D slips (...which they will) and the running game regresses (...which it will), Manning will approach 375 completions and 570 attempts this season.

Time will tell.

 

[gang-wars]

Here are Manning's attempts/completions the past four years...

'02 ~ 392 / 591

'03 ~ 379 / 566

'04 ~ 336 / 497

'05 ~ 305 / 453

Here are James' rushing attempts the past four years...

'02 ~ 277

'03 ~ 310

'04 ~ 334

'05 ~ 360

I think everybody agrees the Colts running game is set to take a major hit this year.  James is simply one of the best RB's of all-time.  I also think everybody agrees there's probably less than a 1% chance of either Addai or Rhodes toting the ball 300+ times.  If this holds true, Manning could resurge his passing attempts/completions to the 560-600/375-400 range, as opposed to current range of 450-500/300-340.  I believe Manning will have no problem eclipsing 4500+ yards this year (injury permitting).

Now...I know the defense has improved 10-fold the past few years, but I think the loss of Edge will improve Manning's FF greatness more than the continued improvement of the Colts D has (...which I don't see improving).

I quit reading after that line.

Do you do that a lot? Maybe you should keep reading more.Because he's right.

 

[Noahs Troopers]

Manning should be great for fantasy again this year, He'll choke in the playoffs, guess it's the status quo again.

 

[joffer]

the guy i think is going overlooked right now is Stokely. I'm not expecting 2004 numbers, but i think he is really a nice value late in survivor drafts right now.

 

[Weiner Dog]

the guy i think is going overlooked right now is Stokely. I'm not expecting 2004 numbers, but i think he is really a nice value late in survivor drafts right now.

Agreed. Talk about value. He's probably a UFA is many leagues. The #2 WR for the Colts is a lock for 1k+ yards and Stokely is obviously the top backup.

My main worry with Stokely, though, is that Dallas Clark has seemed to have replaced him in the 3-WR sets. This wasn't the case in Stokely's magical '04 campaign. As a result, Stokely would probably need an injury for a complete re-emergence.

 

[msommer]

Dallas Clark is no stranger to injury...

 

[Weiner Dog]

Dallas Clark is no stranger to injury...

Ain't that the truth...Clark is the TE-version of McNair. He doesn't miss many games, but he's always "QUESTIONABLE".

 

[wannabee]

Dallas Clark is no stranger to injury...

Ain't that the truth...Clark is the TE-version of McNair. He doesn't miss many games, but he's always "QUESTIONABLE".

Here is every time he showed up on the injury report since 2003:http://insidethestats.com/index.php?option...etail=1&id=6952

 

[LordHusker]

Bump to say ... no.

The Colts running game had better get on track. Otherwise, Manning will have trouble matching his TD totals of last year, IMO.