Manningham. Is it time to dump him? (1 Viewer)

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

for the overreactions of the year thread.

Not knocking Nelson, but Manningham couldn't have been the worst player on your team unless you have very short benches.

Haters gonna hate.

He had 3 for 56 in the first half and then got hurt. Not a bad half for a guy who can't catch.

Meh. 8 fantasy points and then shooting yourself in the foot is not what I'd call "not bad". Don't ignore why he got hurt. It was because he couldn't bring that ball in. Are you just going to ignore that?

yes. The fact that you aren't is an emotional reaction. Would you have rather he just got clocked as opposed to have bobbled a ball. Then you would have kept him? I have watched Manningham for years in college, and in the pros. He is a very good, physical receiver with a knack for getting open. He is going to get tons of single coverage opposite Nicks. Just because he bobbled a ball that could have been a touchdown and happened to get hurt in the process of turning a miscue into a very nice reception . Most wrs wouldn't bring that in on the way to the ground. that shows good body control and an eye for the ball btw.

I am not going to emotionally overreact and cut him. Last year in a few games you know who had big drops? Calvin Johnson. I bet you would have cut him too then. Drops happen. Injuries happen. And just cuz the Green owner in your league is an idiot (as evidenced by the fact that he is the greene owner) and didn't jump on that trade, doesn't mean that's what his value is. It means that guy is likely as much of a Johny come lately GM as you are. You guys will both be kicking yourself at the end of the year when Manningham is putting up 20 pt games, because the defense is all keyed on Nicks.

Oh and LMAO at your Greg Jennings would have made that catch and scored. What a short memory you have.

http://www.thescore....g-jennings-drop

In today's Green Bay Packers-Detroit Lions game at Ford Field, Aaron Rodgers suffered a concussion in the second quarter and was forced to leave the game. The game's currently still going on, and it's a 3-0 Packers lead in the third quarter; really exciting stuff. By exciting, I mean the game's been about as fun as learning calculus... from a teacher speaking in a foreign language.

But, there was one enjoyable play(if you're not a Packers fan). It started with Rodgers, before suffering the concussion, making a perfect throw deep downfield to wide receiver Greg Jennings. It hit Jennings' hands in stride, and should've been a touchdown, or at least a play in the red zone that would've likely led to points. Jennings, however, dropped it, and it landed in the hands of the Lions' Amari Spievey for an interception.

So now he's in Calvin Johnson's class? Wow.

What a poignant reply. typical shark pool thread. An overreaction where the OP doesn't respond to any fact specific points and indictments and gets defensive when no one else with half a brain follows his chicken little mentality. classic.

 

[Hairy Snowman]

Been a while since I posted here. Hipple, I hope this isnt a typical Shark Pool thread.

 

[Sabertooth]

Cutting him really is just crazy talk. Saber, I really wish you were in a league with me. I like emotional owners.

Im in complete agreement with Hipple. Watched him his entire career. Guy runs like a deer. But like the Burger King commercial, the ball makes his hands look "so small".

I think the problem is Manning. The way the ball is coming out to Manningham, more than half the time it is either at his ankles, above his head or behind him.

Like I said, Im not worried about Manningham. Manning is another story. Judging by just this year so far, I would say Danny Wuerffel threw the ball better. And that really is saying something.

If Manning keeps throwing like this, he should get benched, regardless of his last name. Not to mention he wont be long for the league. The reason his receivers have been dropping like flies for years is because he has been putting the ball in places where they get smushed. They never know where the ball is going to be.

Maybe not this player this time, but there is a common thread. Since he has been in the league, Manning's receivers get hurt. He's worse than young Brett Farve for leading his guys into the smackdown.

Just my take.

Oh ok. So you think Manning is going to get benched. Got it.

You are an emotional guy aren't you?Also miss details. I said should. Not will. He carries a name that sells jerseys. The NFL is a business. Hence, no, I don't think he gets benched anytime soon.

But if he throws 50% of his passes behind, above or at the shoes of receivers, he should be. He is playing the worst football I have seen him play. That includes when he was at Ole Miss.

Saber, you need to calm down. Just because someone doesnt agree with you doesnt mean they are attacking you. I do wish you were in a league with me though.

I don't understand your post at all. I'm just trying to show your the flaw in your opinion. If Eli is the QB, why did you even mention that he's looked bad? It only bolsters my argument that Manningham was overhyped. Eli is a constant. You put together a whole paragraph about how bad Manning is. I agree and it is a contributing factor to Manningham's inability to perform. But it certainly isn't going to change. You make my point for me. Manning is playing terribly. You agree that he won't be bench. So how does that help Manningham recover this season? I'm failing to follow your logic here.

I have no horse in this race. I already divested of Manningham. If you wait too long, you miss the boat on guys like David Nelson and Eric Decker. You get stuck holding the bag and missing valuable points in the process.

For the next 4 weeks, who gets more fantasy point? David Nelson or Mario Manningham?

 

[Hairy Snowman]

Cutting him really is just crazy talk. Saber, I really wish you were in a league with me. I like emotional owners.

Im in complete agreement with Hipple. Watched him his entire career. Guy runs like a deer. But like the Burger King commercial, the ball makes his hands look "so small".

I think the problem is Manning. The way the ball is coming out to Manningham, more than half the time it is either at his ankles, above his head or behind him.

Like I said, Im not worried about Manningham. Manning is another story. Judging by just this year so far, I would say Danny Wuerffel threw the ball better. And that really is saying something.

If Manning keeps throwing like this, he should get benched, regardless of his last name. Not to mention he wont be long for the league. The reason his receivers have been dropping like flies for years is because he has been putting the ball in places where they get smushed. They never know where the ball is going to be.

Maybe not this player this time, but there is a common thread. Since he has been in the league, Manning's receivers get hurt. He's worse than young Brett Farve for leading his guys into the smackdown.

Just my take.

Oh ok. So you think Manning is going to get benched. Got it.

You are an emotional guy aren't you?Also miss details. I said should. Not will. He carries a name that sells jerseys. The NFL is a business. Hence, no, I don't think he gets benched anytime soon.

But if he throws 50% of his passes behind, above or at the shoes of receivers, he should be. He is playing the worst football I have seen him play. That includes when he was at Ole Miss.

Saber, you need to calm down. Just because someone doesnt agree with you doesnt mean they are attacking you. I do wish you were in a league with me though.

I don't understand your post at all. I'm just trying to show your the flaw in your opinion. If Eli is the QB, why did you even mention that he's looked bad? It only bolsters my argument that Manningham was overhyped. Eli is a constant. You put together a whole paragraph about how bad Manning is. I agree and it is a contributing factor to Manningham's inability to perform. But it certainly isn't going to change. You make my point for me. Manning is playing terribly. You agree that he won't be bench. So how does that help Manningham recover this season? I'm failing to follow your logic here.

I have no horse in this race. I already divested of Manningham. If you wait too long, you miss the boat on guys like David Nelson and Eric Decker. You get stuck holding the bag and missing valuable points in the process.

For the next 4 weeks, who gets more fantasy point? David Nelson or Mario Manningham?

First, I drafted both Decker and Nelson late in the draft. And I have Manningham. So if you were in a league with me, they would not have been there for you to get.And I will hold Manningham on my bench because I understand the fishbowl NY is and the pressure that will mount on this team as the season drags on. As I said, this is the worst I have ever seen Manning play. That also means I think he is at bottom. Once the media starts circling and talking about breaking up this team and firing Coughlin, I suspect you will see a different Giants team. Probably later in the year. Thats when I want Manningham. When he is playing for his job and my playoffs.

Who will do better the next 4 weeks? Considering Manningham is injured, I have Decker and Nelson plugged in. Who is going to finish the season stronger. We'll see. Im betting on Manningham.

 

[Team ROFLCOPTERS]

If Manning throws the ball within 5 yards of Manningham last week he has 2 TD's and 150 yards. Nobody would be too concerned. One of thoe balls were intercepted on a duck and the secon was a 40 yard punt throw that should have been thrown 50 yards for a TD since Manningham had his man beat for 5 yards. His hands suck but it has not hurt him in the past.

 

[Sabertooth]

Cutting him really is just crazy talk. Saber, I really wish you were in a league with me. I like emotional owners.

Im in complete agreement with Hipple. Watched him his entire career. Guy runs like a deer. But like the Burger King commercial, the ball makes his hands look "so small".

I think the problem is Manning. The way the ball is coming out to Manningham, more than half the time it is either at his ankles, above his head or behind him.

Like I said, Im not worried about Manningham. Manning is another story. Judging by just this year so far, I would say Danny Wuerffel threw the ball better. And that really is saying something.

If Manning keeps throwing like this, he should get benched, regardless of his last name. Not to mention he wont be long for the league. The reason his receivers have been dropping like flies for years is because he has been putting the ball in places where they get smushed. They never know where the ball is going to be.

Maybe not this player this time, but there is a common thread. Since he has been in the league, Manning's receivers get hurt. He's worse than young Brett Farve for leading his guys into the smackdown.

Just my take.

Oh ok. So you think Manning is going to get benched. Got it.

You are an emotional guy aren't you?Also miss details. I said should. Not will. He carries a name that sells jerseys. The NFL is a business. Hence, no, I don't think he gets benched anytime soon.

But if he throws 50% of his passes behind, above or at the shoes of receivers, he should be. He is playing the worst football I have seen him play. That includes when he was at Ole Miss.

Saber, you need to calm down. Just because someone doesnt agree with you doesnt mean they are attacking you. I do wish you were in a league with me though.

I don't understand your post at all. I'm just trying to show your the flaw in your opinion. If Eli is the QB, why did you even mention that he's looked bad? It only bolsters my argument that Manningham was overhyped. Eli is a constant. You put together a whole paragraph about how bad Manning is. I agree and it is a contributing factor to Manningham's inability to perform. But it certainly isn't going to change. You make my point for me. Manning is playing terribly. You agree that he won't be bench. So how does that help Manningham recover this season? I'm failing to follow your logic here.

I have no horse in this race. I already divested of Manningham. If you wait too long, you miss the boat on guys like David Nelson and Eric Decker. You get stuck holding the bag and missing valuable points in the process.

For the next 4 weeks, who gets more fantasy point? David Nelson or Mario Manningham?

First, I drafted both Decker and Nelson late in the draft. And I have Manningham. So if you were in a league with me, they would not have been there for you to get.And I will hold Manningham on my bench because I understand the fishbowl NY is and the pressure that will mount on this team as the season drags on. As I said, this is the worst I have ever seen Manning play. That also means I think he is at bottom. Once the media starts circling and talking about breaking up this team and firing Coughlin, I suspect you will see a different Giants team. Probably later in the year. Thats when I want Manningham. When he is playing for his job and my playoffs.

Who will do better the next 4 weeks? Considering Manningham is injured, I have Decker and Nelson plugged in. Who is going to finish the season stronger. We'll see. Im betting on Manningham.

 

[Sabertooth]

If Manning throws the ball within 5 yards of Manningham last week he has 2 TD's and 150 yards. Nobody would be too concerned. One of thoe balls were intercepted on a duck and the secon was a 40 yard punt throw that should have been thrown 50 yards for a TD since Manningham had his man beat for 5 yards. His hands suck but it has not hurt him in the past.

His suck hands hurt him just this last week.....literally and figuratively. I don't know what you are looking for. But I saw what I needed to see.How long do you hold a guy like that? This is the part of the season when the prime waiver guys are available. Well except in Hairy Snowman's league where he drafted everybody. So he's unbeatable obviously.

 

[Team ROFLCOPTERS]

If Manning throws the ball within 5 yards of Manningham last week he has 2 TD's and 150 yards. Nobody would be too concerned. One of thoe balls were intercepted on a duck and the secon was a 40 yard punt throw that should have been thrown 50 yards for a TD since Manningham had his man beat for 5 yards. His hands suck but it has not hurt him in the past.

His suck hands hurt him just this last week.....literally and figuratively. I don't know what you are looking for. But I saw what I needed to see.How long do you hold a guy like that? This is the part of the season when the prime waiver guys are available. Well except in Hairy Snowman's league where he drafted everybody. So he's unbeatable obviously.

Well, I just don't think Manningham is the type of guy you dump for a waiver guy. I'm not the biggest Manningham fan but he has shown the ability to overcome the shortcomings.

 

[RamMan]

In a 10 teamer with short benches. Mike Thomas was just dropped. Thomas ha been targeted 21 times in 2 games. Realize he's got the rook Gabbert throwing to him now but any warm body should be better than McCown. I'm tempted to drop Manningham for Thomas knowing full well that he'd be pounced on immediately. I drafted Manningham as my WR3 and still believe he's a talented receiver but I'm not at all liking what I see from Gomer Manning.

 

[Joe Summer]

In a 10 teamer with short benches. Mike Thomas was just dropped. Thomas ha been targeted 21 times in 2 games. Realize he's got the rook Gabbert throwing to him now but any warm body should be better than McCown. I'm tempted to drop Manningham for Thomas knowing full well that he'd be pounced on immediately. I drafted Manningham as my WR3 and still believe he's a talented receiver but I'm not at all liking what I see from Gomer Manning.

I think you answered your own question with the bolded part. Manningham would be snatched up immediately, Thomas wouldn't. I think I'd rather wait on Manningham, and if Thomas happens to blow up with Gabbert under center then you still would have a shot at him down the road.

 

[Hairy Snowman]

In a 10 teamer with short benches. Mike Thomas was just dropped. Thomas ha been targeted 21 times in 2 games. Realize he's got the rook Gabbert throwing to him now but any warm body should be better than McCown. I'm tempted to drop Manningham for Thomas knowing full well that he'd be pounced on immediately. I drafted Manningham as my WR3 and still believe he's a talented receiver but I'm not at all liking what I see from Gomer Manning.

It would depend on the # of Starters and size of the bench in your league. I think Manningham would get snatched up quickly also, so only drop him if you feel sure you dont want him (like Saber). And if you have a need, sometimes it forces your hand. My league is 12 deep, start 4 WRs and draft 20 players per team. Benches are deep so I can afford to wait on Manningham. But if I needed to start 2 and could only have one backup on the bench, I would think about it and would have a quicker trigger. I would probably still hold if I could, but I would think about it.

 

[Sabertooth]

In a 10 teamer with short benches. Mike Thomas was just dropped. Thomas ha been targeted 21 times in 2 games. Realize he's got the rook Gabbert throwing to him now but any warm body should be better than McCown. I'm tempted to drop Manningham for Thomas knowing full well that he'd be pounced on immediately. I drafted Manningham as my WR3 and still believe he's a talented receiver but I'm not at all liking what I see from Gomer Manning.

It would depend on the # of Starters and size of the bench in your league. I think Manningham would get snatched up quickly also, so only drop him if you feel sure you dont want him (like Saber). And if you have a need, sometimes it forces your hand. My league is 12 deep, start 4 WRs and draft 20 players per team. Benches are deep so I can afford to wait on Manningham. But if I needed to start 2 and could only have one backup on the bench, I would think about it and would have a quicker trigger. I would probably still hold if I could, but I would think about it.

Yeah maybe I should have mentioned that the league I cut him in is start 3wr with 1 bench spot and one utility spot that can be used on any position. So at max you can have 5 wr. Normally most team use that utility spot on a RB.

 

[Shane Falco]

I hope people in my league cut him so I can sign him

BTW- my leagues are more than 8 teams

 

[display name]

The entire premise of this thread is silly.

You say it is time to dump Manningham, and cite Eric Decker and David Nelson as guys who should be picked up to replace him. I am in a 12 team, 16 roster, start 8 players league (QB, 2RB, 3WR+TE, K, TD). Neither of those two players were even available to be picked up in my league, so one of the premises of this thread is shot right there. The flipside of that premise is that if those two were available, would I be dropping Manningham to get them? Only if I were psycho or had an incredibly stacked team. I have other guys like Ford, Benn, etc, who are just less valuable than Manningham, who I would surely drop before I dropped Manningham.

Even if Manningham was the bottom of the barrel on my team, I wouldn't drop him for Decker or Nelson. Is it possible one or both of them are more productive than Manningham this year? Sure. Do I think it is likely? No. I'll take my chances with Manningham. It is two weeks into a 16 week season.

You back all of this up by saying that Manningham's season is over because... he had one bad play? One play makes a season? Career? You say he has an "inability to produce." You completely ignore that he has produced in the past, in the exact same situation he is in right now. Yes, he had the same QB and he had the same hands as he has now.

This could very well end up one of those threads that gets dragged up later in the season because of its comical outlook.

 

[Road Warriors]

I'm not sure you've seen the play he was concussed on or not. But this is it.

I was watching this and it occurred to me that he actually concussed himself on this play because he can't catch cleanly. If that is Greg Jennings, it is an easy touchdown.

While this is just one play, it illustrates the underlying problem with Manningham. He just isn't a good catcher. He's fast and runs pretty good routes, but he has inconsistent hands.

With guys like Decker and Nelson getting tons of targets, it may just be time to cut Manningham. I know he was a preseason darling. He's currently about the 39th best WR in PPR.

Sometimes the tape tells all. He's not going to live up to the predraft hype.

Cutting him is a total overreaction. Possibly in very small leagues you can cut him for the likes of Decker and Nelson, but in most leagues those guys you mentioned are no longer on the waiver wire."He can't catch cleanly." This is such an over the top statement. He is an NFL receiver, and he has had some success before. On the play he was concussed, he did not catch the ball cleanly. Doesn't mean he is incapable of doing so.

Cutting him could be a huge mistake. Along the lines of people who cut Welker when he was terrible for 2/3rds of the season last year.

It has only been two games. Maybe his stock is down, but cutting him is crazy.

I'd rather have David Nelson than Manningham. I was unable to trade Manningham for Shonn Greene last week so I finally just dumped him. He's just far too inconsistent for my liking. The only thing that gives me pause is the simple fact that it seems like every season the Giants are Jekyll and Hyde. They can look like they don't belong on the field in the first half of the year, and then they just start to click and they look like a well oiled machine.

Look at the Super Bowl season. They were two different teams when they played Green Bay twice that season.

That said, Manningham just seems to have too many negatives associated with him. He never could ascend that depth chart until Smith left. He seems like a potential Coughlin doghouse candidate. Eli is all over the place. Nicks is the go to guy and this is a team that wants to run-run-run to close out games.

I'm selling. Correction, I would have sold, if I'd been able to get even the 36th rated running back for him, but I wasn't. So I cut him for David Nelson. I don't regret the decision one bit.

You couldn't trade him because he's got a concussion. You might have been able to trade him before that.Like somebody said in the Eli Sucks thread I started, if Manningham catches that ball on the run, he scores and is on pace for a 1300 yard, 8 td season at least. Then you probably don't post this thread.

But I understand your concern. And I understand the Coughlin comment very well. But the Giants receiving corps is a mess right now.

I still think Manningham has a shot to turn it around but it obviously won't be this week.

I'm not comfortable glossing over the fact that he gave himself a concussion on a play that was an easy 6 for 75% of starting NFL receivers. There is something to be gleaned from the fact that he had nobody on him and he bumbled the play to the point of injuring himself. I'm not sure what that is, but that cannot be overlooked. It wasn't bad luck like Jamaal Charles. It wasn't a hard hit by a safety. It wasn't a knee to the back of the head. It was Manningham vs. the ball. The ball won.

So if you were the GM for the Giants, you would be dropping Manningham, probably.

He's pretty much equivalent to James Jones. Nothing special.

I'd have to disagree here. Manningham is not a special receiver, I agree. But he is in a good situation where he is seeing a significant number of targets each week, and is a useful fantasy player. Your Jones comparison fails because he is limited in his playing time and number of targets he sees. He'd be the 4th WR and 5th or 6th option in the passing game behind Jennings, Nelson, Driver and Finley ( and possibly Starks, too ) Manningham is the 2nd or 3rd option in a passing offense, averaging 7 targets a week this year, 6.7 targets over the last half of 2010. He had a 65% catch rate last year, and that has fallen off to 50% this year, but unless his role is overtaken by someone else on the roster, he'll continue to post useful fantasy stats in the WR2/WR3 area, with some upside.

As a comparison, Jones averaged under 6 targets / gm over the same 2010 span, and has been passed on the depth chart by Nelson, with a total of 3 targets this year.

Manningham's opportunity to put up good fantasy numbers is pretty solid. He may not shine, but he's not WW material.

 

[Road Warriors]

If Manning throws the ball within 5 yards of Manningham last week he has 2 TD's and 150 yards. Nobody would be too concerned. One of thoe balls were intercepted on a duck and the secon was a 40 yard punt throw that should have been thrown 50 yards for a TD since Manningham had his man beat for 5 yards. His hands suck but it has not hurt him in the past.

His suck hands hurt him just this last week.....literally and figuratively. I don't know what you are looking for. But I saw what I needed to see.How long do you hold a guy like that? This is the part of the season when the prime waiver guys are available. Well except in Hairy Snowman's league where he drafted everybody. So he's unbeatable obviously.

If Manningham is the worst player on your bench, and you think Nelson or Decker is a better option, then sure... you cut Manningham. That part is fine.I doubt that Manningham is the worst player on your bench, though. He's just outside starting WR3 after 2 weeks, but his opportunity is still large as the 2nd option in that offense. He wasn't drafted to be a WR1, maybe as a mid tier WR2. Those guys have up and down weeks.Now, I like Nelson's chances to have a good year. If you're thinking this week, or the next couple of weeks, Nelson probably outscores Manningham ( as he's out this week... ) but I doubt that by years end Nelson outscores Manningham.

 

[Sabertooth]

The entire premise of this thread is silly.

You say it is time to dump Manningham, and cite Eric Decker and David Nelson as guys who should be picked up to replace him. I am in a 12 team, 16 roster, start 8 players league (QB, 2RB, 3WR+TE, K, TD). Neither of those two players were even available to be picked up in my league, so one of the premises of this thread is shot right there. The flipside of that premise is that if those two were available, would I be dropping Manningham to get them? Only if I were psycho or had an incredibly stacked team. I have other guys like Ford, Benn, etc, who are just less valuable than Manningham, who I would surely drop before I dropped Manningham.

Even if Manningham was the bottom of the barrel on my team, I wouldn't drop him for Decker or Nelson. Is it possible one or both of them are more productive than Manningham this year? Sure. Do I think it is likely? No. I'll take my chances with Manningham. It is two weeks into a 16 week season.

You back all of this up by saying that Manningham's season is over because... he had one bad play? One play makes a season? Career? You say he has an "inability to produce." You completely ignore that he has produced in the past, in the exact same situation he is in right now. Yes, he had the same QB and he had the same hands as he has now.

This could very well end up one of those threads that gets dragged up later in the season because of its comical outlook.

I agree with all of the bolded. But, when did I say his season was over? I never said that. Just that he isn't going to live up to the preseason hype. He's already hurt. Now we have shallow benches so guys like Benn and Ford are not rostered. All leagues are different.

 

[Sabertooth]

If Manning throws the ball within 5 yards of Manningham last week he has 2 TD's and 150 yards. Nobody would be too concerned. One of thoe balls were intercepted on a duck and the secon was a 40 yard punt throw that should have been thrown 50 yards for a TD since Manningham had his man beat for 5 yards. His hands suck but it has not hurt him in the past.

His suck hands hurt him just this last week.....literally and figuratively. I don't know what you are looking for. But I saw what I needed to see.How long do you hold a guy like that? This is the part of the season when the prime waiver guys are available. Well except in Hairy Snowman's league where he drafted everybody. So he's unbeatable obviously.

If Manningham is the worst player on your bench, and you think Nelson or Decker is a better option, then sure... you cut Manningham. That part is fine.I doubt that Manningham is the worst player on your bench, though. He's just outside starting WR3 after 2 weeks, but his opportunity is still large as the 2nd option in that offense. He wasn't drafted to be a WR1, maybe as a mid tier WR2. Those guys have up and down weeks.Now, I like Nelson's chances to have a good year. If you're thinking this week, or the next couple of weeks, Nelson probably outscores Manningham ( as he's out this week... ) but I doubt that by years end Nelson outscores Manningham.

My wideouts were (before dropping Manningham for Nelson) Britt, Dez, Green, and Manningham. So he was the WR4 I think. Just for argument, would you keep him over Dez or AJ Green? I wouldn't.

 

[Sabertooth]

I'm not sure you've seen the play he was concussed on or not. But this is it.

I was watching this and it occurred to me that he actually concussed himself on this play because he can't catch cleanly. If that is Greg Jennings, it is an easy touchdown.

While this is just one play, it illustrates the underlying problem with Manningham. He just isn't a good catcher. He's fast and runs pretty good routes, but he has inconsistent hands.

With guys like Decker and Nelson getting tons of targets, it may just be time to cut Manningham. I know he was a preseason darling. He's currently about the 39th best WR in PPR.

Sometimes the tape tells all. He's not going to live up to the predraft hype.

Cutting him is a total overreaction. Possibly in very small leagues you can cut him for the likes of Decker and Nelson, but in most leagues those guys you mentioned are no longer on the waiver wire."He can't catch cleanly." This is such an over the top statement. He is an NFL receiver, and he has had some success before. On the play he was concussed, he did not catch the ball cleanly. Doesn't mean he is incapable of doing so.

Cutting him could be a huge mistake. Along the lines of people who cut Welker when he was terrible for 2/3rds of the season last year.

It has only been two games. Maybe his stock is down, but cutting him is crazy.

I'd rather have David Nelson than Manningham. I was unable to trade Manningham for Shonn Greene last week so I finally just dumped him. He's just far too inconsistent for my liking. The only thing that gives me pause is the simple fact that it seems like every season the Giants are Jekyll and Hyde. They can look like they don't belong on the field in the first half of the year, and then they just start to click and they look like a well oiled machine.

Look at the Super Bowl season. They were two different teams when they played Green Bay twice that season.

That said, Manningham just seems to have too many negatives associated with him. He never could ascend that depth chart until Smith left. He seems like a potential Coughlin doghouse candidate. Eli is all over the place. Nicks is the go to guy and this is a team that wants to run-run-run to close out games.

I'm selling. Correction, I would have sold, if I'd been able to get even the 36th rated running back for him, but I wasn't. So I cut him for David Nelson. I don't regret the decision one bit.

You couldn't trade him because he's got a concussion. You might have been able to trade him before that.Like somebody said in the Eli Sucks thread I started, if Manningham catches that ball on the run, he scores and is on pace for a 1300 yard, 8 td season at least. Then you probably don't post this thread.

But I understand your concern. And I understand the Coughlin comment very well. But the Giants receiving corps is a mess right now.

I still think Manningham has a shot to turn it around but it obviously won't be this week.

I'm not comfortable glossing over the fact that he gave himself a concussion on a play that was an easy 6 for 75% of starting NFL receivers. There is something to be gleaned from the fact that he had nobody on him and he bumbled the play to the point of injuring himself. I'm not sure what that is, but that cannot be overlooked. It wasn't bad luck like Jamaal Charles. It wasn't a hard hit by a safety. It wasn't a knee to the back of the head. It was Manningham vs. the ball. The ball won.

So if you were the GM for the Giants, you would be dropping Manningham, probably.

He's pretty much equivalent to James Jones. Nothing special.

I'd have to disagree here. Manningham is not a special receiver, I agree. But he is in a good situation where he is seeing a significant number of targets each week, and is a useful fantasy player. Your Jones comparison fails because he is limited in his playing time and number of targets he sees. He'd be the 4th WR and 5th or 6th option in the passing game behind Jennings, Nelson, Driver and Finley ( and possibly Starks, too ) Manningham is the 2nd or 3rd option in a passing offense, averaging 7 targets a week this year, 6.7 targets over the last half of 2010. He had a 65% catch rate last year, and that has fallen off to 50% this year, but unless his role is overtaken by someone else on the roster, he'll continue to post useful fantasy stats in the WR2/WR3 area, with some upside.

As a comparison, Jones averaged under 6 targets / gm over the same 2010 span, and has been passed on the depth chart by Nelson, with a total of 3 targets this year.

Manningham's opportunity to put up good fantasy numbers is pretty solid. He may not shine, but he's not WW material.

With Jones, I meant that as "they'd fetch a similar contract in free agency" type of thing. Both are a similar caliber NFL player. Obviously Manningham has a lot less competition for targets. He's not a special player though. He's a mid-level guy. Not a journeyman, but not a player that an NFL GM would go out of their way to acquire.

 

[Sabertooth]

Just so I'm clear, should I dump Manningham before or after I trade away Adrian Peterson?

Probably should have dumped him before. Peterson isn't going to produce Top 5 numbers this season either.

 

[KentGraham10]

Just so I'm clear, should I dump Manningham before or after I trade away Adrian Peterson?

Probably should have dumped him before. Peterson isn't going to produce Top 5 numbers this season either.

Cruz took over for Manningham in 2WR sets against the Cards. Not sure if this is a permanent thing, but at this point, you aren't getting much for Manningham if you try and sell, so I would hold and hope he reemerges.

 

[howo5]

Any thoughts on Cruz going forward? Seems like he might be able to be a good WR3 option if he can surpass Manningham with the limited receiving options in NY.

 

[KentGraham10]

Any thoughts on Cruz going forward? Seems like he might be able to be a good WR3 option if he can surpass Manningham with the limited receiving options in NY.

Giants fan here. His targets went UP when Manningham came back this week. Cruz played in 2 WR sets alongside Nicks and Manning seems comfortable with Cruz. If anything, Manningham will open the field up for Cruz. As I understand it from the Giants Message Boards, the Cards were rolling coverage towards Manningham all game, which is why he wasn't targeted as often. Still, he had 5 targets this week and managed only 1 catch. Cruz had 5 targets last week also, but look what he ended up doing with them.

 

[PhantomJB]

Manningham is starting to hit the wire in shallower leagues...is this all concussion-related and he regains the WR2 or has Cruz taken over permanently?

 

[Sabertooth]

Manningham is starting to hit the wire in shallower leagues...is this all concussion-related and he regains the WR2 or has Cruz taken over permanently?

I don't think anyone knows. Thus driving his value down further. He's gone from to somewhere between to . If he has another down week, he's sitting firmly at :X

 

[Hairy Snowman]

Just so I'm clear, should I dump Manningham before or after I trade away Adrian Peterson?

Probably should have dumped him before. Peterson isn't going to produce Top 5 numbers this season either.

How did I know you were going to pull this back up this morning?Like I said earlier, I have a deep bench and will be happy later in the stretch run when Manningham produces.

However, I will admit I didn't expect the complete lack of production against the Cards. Usually I say 4 weeks in you are what you are. I'll give him another week, but last weeks production was poor.

 

[drew726]

I thought Manningham was overrated to begin with.

 

[display name]

Well, it certainly isn't looking good for Manningham. His value is as low as possible. I still say he is a hold. It was his first game back from concussion. He hasn't produced yet, but the ebbs and flows of an NFL season must be accounted for. I wouldn't drop him unless you are in a shallow league.

 

[Sabertooth]

Just so I'm clear, should I dump Manningham before or after I trade away Adrian Peterson?

Probably should have dumped him before. Peterson isn't going to produce Top 5 numbers this season either.

How did I know you were going to pull this back up this morning?Like I said earlier, I have a deep bench and will be happy later in the stretch run when Manningham produces.

However, I will admit I didn't expect the complete lack of production against the Cards. Usually I say 4 weeks in you are what you are. I'll give him another week, but last weeks production was poor.

I tend to think the problem with a guy like Manningham is that he is going to have some weeks where he goes off. He's going to be a Santana Moss lite. And you'll likely miss those weeks when they come on the tail of three weeks of 2-21 type production. I have no doubt he is going to have multiple 100+ yard games this season. I also have no doubt that I can't start him right now. He's that type of guy that you zig when you should zag with him.

 

[solorca]

Just so I'm clear, should I dump Manningham before or after I trade away Adrian Peterson?

Probably should have dumped him before. Peterson isn't going to produce Top 5 numbers this season either.

How did I know you were going to pull this back up this morning?Like I said earlier, I have a deep bench and will be happy later in the stretch run when Manningham produces.

However, I will admit I didn't expect the complete lack of production against the Cards. Usually I say 4 weeks in you are what you are. I'll give him another week, but last weeks production was poor.

I tend to think the problem with a guy like Manningham is that he is going to have some weeks where he goes off. He's going to be a Santana Moss lite. And you'll likely miss those weeks when they come on the tail of three weeks of 2-21 type production. I have no doubt he is going to have multiple 100+ yard games this season. I also have no doubt that I can't start him right now. He's that type of guy that you zig when you should zag with him.

Santana Moss isn't that guy anymore. He's been one of the most consistent players in the game so far this season.To make things fun, I'll have to start Mario Manningham this week because of Santana Moss's bye week. Yuck.

 

[Sabertooth]

Just so I'm clear, should I dump Manningham before or after I trade away Adrian Peterson?

Probably should have dumped him before. Peterson isn't going to produce Top 5 numbers this season either.

How did I know you were going to pull this back up this morning?Like I said earlier, I have a deep bench and will be happy later in the stretch run when Manningham produces.

However, I will admit I didn't expect the complete lack of production against the Cards. Usually I say 4 weeks in you are what you are. I'll give him another week, but last weeks production was poor.

I tend to think the problem with a guy like Manningham is that he is going to have some weeks where he goes off. He's going to be a Santana Moss lite. And you'll likely miss those weeks when they come on the tail of three weeks of 2-21 type production. I have no doubt he is going to have multiple 100+ yard games this season. I also have no doubt that I can't start him right now. He's that type of guy that you zig when you should zag with him.

Santana Moss isn't that guy anymore. He's been one of the most consistent players in the game so far this season.To make things fun, I'll have to start Mario Manningham this week because of Santana Moss's bye week. Yuck.

Ok, bad example, but you get the general idea.

 

[Lash]

i think for dynasty ... NYG's WR2 is in college right now

 

[display name]

Just so I'm clear, should I dump Manningham before or after I trade away Adrian Peterson?

Probably should have dumped him before. Peterson isn't going to produce Top 5 numbers this season either.

How did I know you were going to pull this back up this morning?Like I said earlier, I have a deep bench and will be happy later in the stretch run when Manningham produces.

However, I will admit I didn't expect the complete lack of production against the Cards. Usually I say 4 weeks in you are what you are. I'll give him another week, but last weeks production was poor.

I tend to think the problem with a guy like Manningham is that he is going to have some weeks where he goes off. He's going to be a Santana Moss lite. And you'll likely miss those weeks when they come on the tail of three weeks of 2-21 type production. I have no doubt he is going to have multiple 100+ yard games this season. I also have no doubt that I can't start him right now. He's that type of guy that you zig when you should zag with him.

Valid point. He definitely isn't an appealing start right now. But you might be faced with a situation where, you could put worse guys in there. At a certain point it becomes a crap shoot anyways with these WRs who are outside the top 36. Between injuries and byes, at some point in the season you are likely to be faced with rolling the dice on one of them.I might be faced with starting him this week. My WR3 options are looking like Benn, Manningham, Ford, or Knox (S. Moss on bye). None of them are appealing starts, but those are my options.

He is no top 36 WR right now, but he is still a hold in all but shallow leagues.

 

[netnalp]

Mario Manningham was demoted out of two-wide sets during Sunday's win over the Cardinals.

In his first game back from a concussion, Manningham appeared to upset Eli Manning by running a couple incorrect routes early on. Then, for the majority of the last three quarters, Victor Cruz was the primary receiver opposite Hakeem Nicks. Manningham said it had nothing to do with injury. "That's how it is," he said. "There's plays where he comes in, there's plays where I come in."

http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/215315/mario-manningham-was-demoted-during-victory

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Not buying Manningham's explanation "that's how it is". S. Smith and Nicks didn't regularly alternate with Manningham, they came out when they needed a breather. Manningham isn't on the same page as Eli when it comes to making reads, that's why he's losing snaps.

 

[netnalp]

i think for dynasty ... NYG's WR2 is in college right now

Either that, or he needs to finish out his 1 year contract with the Eagles.

 

[solorca]

Does anyone else think that a demotion for Manningham may not be the worst thing for his fantasy prospects? As the #3 guy last season and the year before, he put up very solid fantasy numbers (at the low WR2, high WR3 level). I'm thinking that maybe that would simplify the game for him and he could go back to producing as a solid performer.

 

[netnalp]

Does anyone else think that a demotion for Manningham may not be the worst thing for his fantasy prospects? As the #3 guy last season and the year before, he put up very solid fantasy numbers (at the low WR2, high WR3 level). I'm thinking that maybe that would simplify the game for him and he could go back to producing as a solid performer.

Was that the case? I recall it was when there was an injury to either Nicks or Smith that allowed Mannigham to be the #2 and his numbers took off. As the #1 and #3WR my impression has been his numbers weren't very good. Could be he was rusty due to his time off, so I'm not sure the demotion will be permanent. Although Manningham sure is leaving the door open for Cruz to take the #2 job. Seems like Manningham is content with his game and lacks the desire to continue to develop his craft.

 

[Statler & Waldorf]

Does anyone else think that a demotion for Manningham may not be the worst thing for his fantasy prospects? As the #3 guy last season and the year before, he put up very solid fantasy numbers (at the low WR2, high WR3 level). I'm thinking that maybe that would simplify the game for him and he could go back to producing as a solid performer.

Was that the case? I recall it was when there was an injury to either Nicks or Smith that allowed Mannigham to be the #2 and his numbers took off. As the #1 and #3WR my impression has been his numbers weren't very good. Could be he was rusty due to his time off, so I'm not sure the demotion will be permanent. Although Manningham sure is leaving the door open for Cruz to take the #2 job. Seems like Manningham is content with his game and lacks the desire to continue to develop his craft.

Yeah, this might just be Rotoworld speculating again. They tend to do that a lot. I read he was limited all week at practice so he didn't really put a full week in and it's his first game back after his concussion. I think in the long run, he's gonna be fine. I'd buy low still. And the way it's sounding, it's really low.

 

[Sabertooth]

Does anyone else think that a demotion for Manningham may not be the worst thing for his fantasy prospects? As the #3 guy last season and the year before, he put up very solid fantasy numbers (at the low WR2, high WR3 level). I'm thinking that maybe that would simplify the game for him and he could go back to producing as a solid performer.

Was that the case? I recall it was when there was an injury to either Nicks or Smith that allowed Mannigham to be the #2 and his numbers took off. As the #1 and #3WR my impression has been his numbers weren't very good. Could be he was rusty due to his time off, so I'm not sure the demotion will be permanent. Although Manningham sure is leaving the door open for Cruz to take the #2 job. Seems like Manningham is content with his game and lacks the desire to continue to develop his craft.

Yeah, this might just be Rotoworld speculating again. They tend to do that a lot. I read he was limited all week at practice so he didn't really put a full week in and it's his first game back after his concussion. I think in the long run, he's gonna be fine. I'd buy low still. And the way it's sounding, it's really low.

What is your expectation at this point? Top 20? 30? He's not worth a roster spot.

 

[todisco1]

Does anyone else think that a demotion for Manningham may not be the worst thing for his fantasy prospects? As the #3 guy last season and the year before, he put up very solid fantasy numbers (at the low WR2, high WR3 level). I'm thinking that maybe that would simplify the game for him and he could go back to producing as a solid performer.

Was that the case? I recall it was when there was an injury to either Nicks or Smith that allowed Mannigham to be the #2 and his numbers took off. As the #1 and #3WR my impression has been his numbers weren't very good. Could be he was rusty due to his time off, so I'm not sure the demotion will be permanent. Although Manningham sure is leaving the door open for Cruz to take the #2 job. Seems like Manningham is content with his game and lacks the desire to continue to develop his craft.

Yeah, this might just be Rotoworld speculating again. They tend to do that a lot. I read he was limited all week at practice so he didn't really put a full week in and it's his first game back after his concussion. I think in the long run, he's gonna be fine. I'd buy low still. And the way it's sounding, it's really low.

What is your expectation at this point? Top 20? 30? He's not worth a roster spot.

How deep are your rosters that Manningham should be cut? He's not one waiver wire in any of my leagues.

 

[solorca]

If I could sell him for a top 30 guy, I would. Someone like Nate Washington, Mike Thomas, David Nelson, etc. Otherwise, I guess I'll just hold.

 

[Sabertooth]

Does anyone else think that a demotion for Manningham may not be the worst thing for his fantasy prospects? As the #3 guy last season and the year before, he put up very solid fantasy numbers (at the low WR2, high WR3 level). I'm thinking that maybe that would simplify the game for him and he could go back to producing as a solid performer.

Was that the case? I recall it was when there was an injury to either Nicks or Smith that allowed Mannigham to be the #2 and his numbers took off. As the #1 and #3WR my impression has been his numbers weren't very good. Could be he was rusty due to his time off, so I'm not sure the demotion will be permanent. Although Manningham sure is leaving the door open for Cruz to take the #2 job. Seems like Manningham is content with his game and lacks the desire to continue to develop his craft.

Yeah, this might just be Rotoworld speculating again. They tend to do that a lot. I read he was limited all week at practice so he didn't really put a full week in and it's his first game back after his concussion. I think in the long run, he's gonna be fine. I'd buy low still. And the way it's sounding, it's really low.

What is your expectation at this point? Top 20? 30? He's not worth a roster spot.

How deep are your rosters that Manningham should be cut? He's not one waiver wire in any of my leagues.

He's currently WR82. I don't generally get in league of more than 12 teams.

 

[Statler & Waldorf]

Does anyone else think that a demotion for Manningham may not be the worst thing for his fantasy prospects? As the #3 guy last season and the year before, he put up very solid fantasy numbers (at the low WR2, high WR3 level). I'm thinking that maybe that would simplify the game for him and he could go back to producing as a solid performer.

Was that the case? I recall it was when there was an injury to either Nicks or Smith that allowed Mannigham to be the #2 and his numbers took off. As the #1 and #3WR my impression has been his numbers weren't very good. Could be he was rusty due to his time off, so I'm not sure the demotion will be permanent. Although Manningham sure is leaving the door open for Cruz to take the #2 job. Seems like Manningham is content with his game and lacks the desire to continue to develop his craft.

Yeah, this might just be Rotoworld speculating again. They tend to do that a lot. I read he was limited all week at practice so he didn't really put a full week in and it's his first game back after his concussion. I think in the long run, he's gonna be fine. I'd buy low still. And the way it's sounding, it's really low.

What is your expectation at this point? Top 20? 30? He's not worth a roster spot.

How deep are your rosters that Manningham should be cut? He's not one waiver wire in any of my leagues.

He's currently WR82. I don't generally get in league of more than 12 teams.

Going forward, I'm expecting top 20-30 production. Barring an injury, I'm expecting it to begin this weekend against Seattle. Julio just did really well against them and I'm expecting the same from Mario.

 

[Scooter71]

Am thinking about dropping him for either Decker or Cruz, both of whom are still sitting on our wire.

If I could sell him for a top 30 guy, I would. Someone like Nate Washington, Mike Thomas, David Nelson, etc. Otherwise, I guess I'll just hold.

 

[Sabertooth]

I would drop him for Decked immediately.

 

[todisco1]

Does anyone else think that a demotion for Manningham may not be the worst thing for his fantasy prospects? As the #3 guy last season and the year before, he put up very solid fantasy numbers (at the low WR2, high WR3 level). I'm thinking that maybe that would simplify the game for him and he could go back to producing as a solid performer.

Was that the case? I recall it was when there was an injury to either Nicks or Smith that allowed Mannigham to be the #2 and his numbers took off. As the #1 and #3WR my impression has been his numbers weren't very good. Could be he was rusty due to his time off, so I'm not sure the demotion will be permanent. Although Manningham sure is leaving the door open for Cruz to take the #2 job. Seems like Manningham is content with his game and lacks the desire to continue to develop his craft.

Yeah, this might just be Rotoworld speculating again. They tend to do that a lot. I read he was limited all week at practice so he didn't really put a full week in and it's his first game back after his concussion. I think in the long run, he's gonna be fine. I'd buy low still. And the way it's sounding, it's really low.

What is your expectation at this point? Top 20? 30? He's not worth a roster spot.

How deep are your rosters that Manningham should be cut? He's not one waiver wire in any of my leagues.

He's currently WR82. I don't generally get in league of more than 12 teams.

So you're saying his best case scenario is 82?

 

[Sabertooth]

Does anyone else think that a demotion for Manningham may not be the worst thing for his fantasy prospects? As the #3 guy last season and the year before, he put up very solid fantasy numbers (at the low WR2, high WR3 level). I'm thinking that maybe that would simplify the game for him and he could go back to producing as a solid performer.

Was that the case? I recall it was when there was an injury to either Nicks or Smith that allowed Mannigham to be the #2 and his numbers took off. As the #1 and #3WR my impression has been his numbers weren't very good. Could be he was rusty due to his time off, so I'm not sure the demotion will be permanent. Although Manningham sure is leaving the door open for Cruz to take the #2 job. Seems like Manningham is content with his game and lacks the desire to continue to develop his craft.

Yeah, this might just be Rotoworld speculating again. They tend to do that a lot. I read he was limited all week at practice so he didn't really put a full week in and it's his first game back after his concussion. I think in the long run, he's gonna be fine. I'd buy low still. And the way it's sounding, it's really low.

What is your expectation at this point? Top 20? 30? He's not worth a roster spot.

How deep are your rosters that Manningham should be cut? He's not one waiver wire in any of my leagues.

He's currently WR82. I don't generally get in league of more than 12 teams.

So you're saying his best case scenario is 82?

Best case from here on out is right in the wr50 zone I'd think. Like I said, he'll have a few big games. But they will be impossible to predict. I'm not lumping him in with guys that are hanging off the end of rosters in places like KC or Minnesota. But he's not a viable option at this point as anything more than a shot in the dark on a given week.

 

[display name]

Does anyone else think that a demotion for Manningham may not be the worst thing for his fantasy prospects? As the #3 guy last season and the year before, he put up very solid fantasy numbers (at the low WR2, high WR3 level). I'm thinking that maybe that would simplify the game for him and he could go back to producing as a solid performer.

Was that the case? I recall it was when there was an injury to either Nicks or Smith that allowed Mannigham to be the #2 and his numbers took off. As the #1 and #3WR my impression has been his numbers weren't very good. Could be he was rusty due to his time off, so I'm not sure the demotion will be permanent. Although Manningham sure is leaving the door open for Cruz to take the #2 job. Seems like Manningham is content with his game and lacks the desire to continue to develop his craft.

Yeah, this might just be Rotoworld speculating again. They tend to do that a lot. I read he was limited all week at practice so he didn't really put a full week in and it's his first game back after his concussion. I think in the long run, he's gonna be fine. I'd buy low still. And the way it's sounding, it's really low.

What is your expectation at this point? Top 20? 30? He's not worth a roster spot.

How deep are your rosters that Manningham should be cut? He's not one waiver wire in any of my leagues.

He's currently WR82. I don't generally get in league of more than 12 teams.

So you're saying his best case scenario is 82?

Best case from here on out is right in the wr50 zone I'd think. Like I said, he'll have a few big games. But they will be impossible to predict. I'm not lumping him in with guys that are hanging off the end of rosters in places like KC or Minnesota. But he's not a viable option at this point as anything more than a shot in the dark on a given week.

Same logic could have been used for Wes Welker last season. He was WR52 last season through the first 9 weeks. He was actually dropped in my main league, and then picked up, providing a huge late season playoff boost for another team.My point is, you cannot completely dismiss the fact that Manningham has been productive before. Just because he has had a bad first four weeks of this season (missing 1 1/2 games) doesn't mean he won't be productive once again. Ebbs and flows.I'm not saying he is in Welker's class. He doesn't need to be to be productive at some point this season. So he had a bad game after being concussed and missing most of practice for two weeks. I won't be dropping him.

 

[atcdav]

rotowire was reporting he may have been demoted to wr3. not in on 2 wr sets. ran some wrong routes. hope it is temporary

 

[Sabertooth]

Does anyone else think that a demotion for Manningham may not be the worst thing for his fantasy prospects? As the #3 guy last season and the year before, he put up very solid fantasy numbers (at the low WR2, high WR3 level). I'm thinking that maybe that would simplify the game for him and he could go back to producing as a solid performer.

Was that the case? I recall it was when there was an injury to either Nicks or Smith that allowed Mannigham to be the #2 and his numbers took off. As the #1 and #3WR my impression has been his numbers weren't very good. Could be he was rusty due to his time off, so I'm not sure the demotion will be permanent. Although Manningham sure is leaving the door open for Cruz to take the #2 job. Seems like Manningham is content with his game and lacks the desire to continue to develop his craft.

Yeah, this might just be Rotoworld speculating again. They tend to do that a lot. I read he was limited all week at practice so he didn't really put a full week in and it's his first game back after his concussion. I think in the long run, he's gonna be fine. I'd buy low still. And the way it's sounding, it's really low.

What is your expectation at this point? Top 20? 30? He's not worth a roster spot.

How deep are your rosters that Manningham should be cut? He's not one waiver wire in any of my leagues.

He's currently WR82. I don't generally get in league of more than 12 teams.

So you're saying his best case scenario is 82?

Best case from here on out is right in the wr50 zone I'd think. Like I said, he'll have a few big games. But they will be impossible to predict. I'm not lumping him in with guys that are hanging off the end of rosters in places like KC or Minnesota. But he's not a viable option at this point as anything more than a shot in the dark on a given week.

Same logic could have been used for Wes Welker last season. He was WR52 last season through the first 9 weeks. He was actually dropped in my main league, and then picked up, providing a huge late season playoff boost for another team.My point is, you cannot completely dismiss the fact that Manningham has been productive before. Just because he has had a bad first four weeks of this season (missing 1 1/2 games) doesn't mean he won't be productive once again. Ebbs and flows.I'm not saying he is in Welker's class. He doesn't need to be to be productive at some point this season. So he had a bad game after being concussed and missing most of practice for two weeks. I won't be dropping him.

Come on. Welker is one of the smartest and most polished wide receivers in the NFL. But your point is well taken. Conversely you could say this for any player in the NFL that is currently rostered. In that light, Manningham is no better to roster than any other player. You say he's had a bad game. I says he won't have many good games. He's not worth rostering over guys like Decker and Nelson (if you jumped in this thread early). He's not worth rostering over guys like Josh Cribbs, Johnny Knox or Donald Jones at this point.