Manningham. Is it time to dump him? (1 Viewer)

[RJS113]

Starting Manningham over Steve Johnson.

 

[duaneok66]

good move on benching Johnson - Philly has shut down #1s . . .

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

Would love to have a reason to start him due to Trufant's absence. Not sure how much faith I have in what the article suggests. Manningham is benchable though until he shows us something. Expected a very good to great year and have been disappointed so far. If not today, when?

 

[cvnpoka]

cruz is so much better than this guy

 

[Sabertooth]

cruz is so much better than this guy

This appears pretty evident. With all of the leadup here, Manningham just didn't do much. He appears to have been supplanted for Steve Smith 3.

 

[Hairy Snowman]

Disappointing. The last int was on him. Im not sure Cruz is "better", but something is not right with Manningham.

 

[solorca]

I guess I'll hold him because he's better than the crap I can get on the waiver wire and he's been good for 8-10 points if I need to roll him out. He'll be on my bench until he proves something though.

 

[Kwai Chang Caine]

I guess I'll hold him because he's better than the crap I can get on the waiver wire and he's been good for 8-10 points if I need to roll him out. He'll be on my bench until he proves something though.

I can cut him for Heyward-Bay or one of those Seattle guys...

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Cruz Owns Manningham...

 

[Mr. Mojo]

Cruz Owns Manningham...

Your quote is semi-funny but your avatar is hilarious!

 

[Kenny Powers]

Considering making Mario a secondary player I would get in a trade, but I dont know. Loved him in the offseason, but Cruz looks so much better than him. That said, Eli is looking a lot better than he did last year and the preseason, and I think this offense can have 3 viable WRs.

Hard to believe this guy's stock has dropped so much Im thinking I would prefer getting Witten/Redman than Witten/Manningham though

 

[kingmalaki]

Just dropped him for Plex. Still can't believe I passed on Dez for this dude (draft was early Aug).

 

[Kwai Chang Caine]

Gone. Picked up Garson.

 

[solorca]

I have a strong hunch that he is going to produce big this week.

 

[duaneok66]

I have a strong hunch that he is going to produce big this week.

lots of people said that last week . . .

 

[Sabertooth]

I have a strong hunch that he is going to produce big this week.

lots of people said that last week . . .

This being the rub. You know its going to happen once or twice this season, just not when.

 

[solorca]

I have a strong hunch that he is going to produce big this week.

lots of people said that last week . . .

True. I guess that last week, despite Cruz's solid performance, made me see that Manningham still has a place in the offense. He was still in on all two receiver sets and Manning looked his way quite a bit. Last week, it was still a guessing game if he would be heavily involved, regardless of what was being said to the media. When they backed it up on the field, I felt a lot better. He definitely isn't going to be the solid WR2 people were expecting this year, but I think he will end up being a good WR3 when it's all said and done.

 

[duaneok66]

I've soured on him . . . I thought he'd be a legit WR3 and he hasn't panned out (yet) . . . do you people actually think he can be WR3 the rest of the way??

 

[cvnpoka]

ofc he can be. the giants throw a lot, they dont throw to the te or rb as much as other teams, so it is realistic they support 3 fantasy viable wr.

 

[Kenny Powers]

ofc he can be. the giants throw a lot, they dont throw to the te or rb as much as other teams, so it is realistic they support 3 fantasy viable wr.

Exactly, plus theyve supported 3 WRs before and are throwing to the TEs even less with Boss gone. He's not going to be that top 20 guy so many people expected, but Id buy him as a low-end WR3 right now. First big game he has and no one will be selling cheap anymore.

 

[degenerate]

this is how bad i want manningham to do good this week: in looking at the bills' box scores, each opponent's third receiving option has had the big day. its that or dhb, still debating

 

[TidesofWar]

this is how bad i want manningham to do good this week: in looking at the bills' box scores, each opponent's third receiving option has had the big day. its that or dhb, still debating

Is Mario now the third or still the second option???

 

[Joe Summer]

this is how bad i want manningham to do good this week: in looking at the bills' box scores, each opponent's third receiving option has had the big day. its that or dhb, still debating

Is Mario now the third or still the second option???

He's third in targets the last 2 games.

 

[Kenny Powers]

this is how bad i want manningham to do good this week: in looking at the bills' box scores, each opponent's third receiving option has had the big day. its that or dhb, still debating

Is Mario now the third or still the second option???

He's third in targets the last 2 games.

Interesting way to phrase that, as Mario had more targets than Nicks last week. Despite missing 1.5 games, he has 1 less target than Cruz on the season.

 

[Joe Summer]

this is how bad i want manningham to do good this week: in looking at the bills' box scores, each opponent's third receiving option has had the big day. its that or dhb, still debating

Is Mario now the third or still the second option???

He's third in targets the last 2 games.

Interesting way to phrase that, as Mario had more targets than Nicks last week. Despite missing 1.5 games, he has 1 less target than Cruz on the season.

I like both Cruz and Manningham, so I don't really have a dog in the hunt. But Manningham's targets have gone 7-7-x-5-9 while Cruz went 2-2-5-9-11. Cruz took advantage of the week Manningham was injured, and he hasn't looked back.Regardless, I see little reason to drop a guy who is in the top 30 in targets per game.

 

[Kenny Powers]

this is how bad i want manningham to do good this week: in looking at the bills' box scores, each opponent's third receiving option has had the big day. its that or dhb, still debating

Is Mario now the third or still the second option???

He's third in targets the last 2 games.

Interesting way to phrase that, as Mario had more targets than Nicks last week. Despite missing 1.5 games, he has 1 less target than Cruz on the season.

I like both Cruz and Manningham, so I don't really have a dog in the hunt. But Manningham's targets have gone 7-7-x-5-9 while Cruz went 2-2-5-9-11. Cruz took advantage of the week Manningham was injured, and he hasn't looked back.Regardless, I see little reason to drop a guy who is in the top 30 in targets and fantasy points per game.

In what format is Manningham in the top 30 in pts per game?

 

[Joe Summer]

this is how bad i want manningham to do good this week: in looking at the bills' box scores, each opponent's third receiving option has had the big day. its that or dhb, still debating

Is Mario now the third or still the second option???

He's third in targets the last 2 games.

Interesting way to phrase that, as Mario had more targets than Nicks last week. Despite missing 1.5 games, he has 1 less target than Cruz on the season.

I like both Cruz and Manningham, so I don't really have a dog in the hunt. But Manningham's targets have gone 7-7-x-5-9 while Cruz went 2-2-5-9-11. Cruz took advantage of the week Manningham was injured, and he hasn't looked back.Regardless, I see little reason to drop a guy who is in the top 30 in targets and fantasy points per game.

In what format is Manningham in the top 30 in pts per game?

Whoops, that should just say targets. Sorry.

 

[Kenny Powers]

this is how bad i want manningham to do good this week: in looking at the bills' box scores, each opponent's third receiving option has had the big day. its that or dhb, still debating

Is Mario now the third or still the second option???

He's third in targets the last 2 games.

Interesting way to phrase that, as Mario had more targets than Nicks last week. Despite missing 1.5 games, he has 1 less target than Cruz on the season.

I like both Cruz and Manningham, so I don't really have a dog in the hunt. But Manningham's targets have gone 7-7-x-5-9 while Cruz went 2-2-5-9-11. Cruz took advantage of the week Manningham was injured, and he hasn't looked back.Regardless, I see little reason to drop a guy who is in the top 30 in targets and fantasy points per game.

In what format is Manningham in the top 30 in pts per game?

Whoops, that should just say targets. Sorry.

According to FBG's, Mario is tied for 42nd in targets.

 

[Joe Summer]

this is how bad i want manningham to do good this week: in looking at the bills' box scores, each opponent's third receiving option has had the big day. its that or dhb, still debating

Is Mario now the third or still the second option???

He's third in targets the last 2 games.

Interesting way to phrase that, as Mario had more targets than Nicks last week. Despite missing 1.5 games, he has 1 less target than Cruz on the season.

I like both Cruz and Manningham, so I don't really have a dog in the hunt. But Manningham's targets have gone 7-7-x-5-9 while Cruz went 2-2-5-9-11. Cruz took advantage of the week Manningham was injured, and he hasn't looked back.Regardless, I see little reason to drop a guy who is in the top 30 in targets and fantasy points per game.

In what format is Manningham in the top 30 in pts per game?

Whoops, that should just say targets. Sorry.

According to FBG's, Mario is tied for 42nd in targets.

Per game?

 

[Bri]

Manningham hasn't been himself since his concussion in week two.

Much of the news has been about the head(of course) but he hurt his neck pretty bad. Supposedly, someone had to point out to him/remind him that he had a concussion as he thought it was just a neck injury.

He would tell the press he was cleared and that simply wasn't true. This didn't go over well. He passed his concussion test like three days later or somesuch. His answers as to why he thought he took the test earlier were odd.

In week four, Eli was all over him for running the wrong routes-several times not just a few times. The coaches caught on and saw it too and he sat the fourth quarter.

IIRC He's had "limited" next to his name an awful lot the last few weeks for a guy that "just" had a concussion.

Something's up. I don't know what and maybe in week 5 things won't be so cloudy for him and he'll be back to his old self.

I wouldn't be surprised if he sees some brain/concussion specialist either of if the NFL/NFLPA starts to ask questions privately about him.

I'm hopeful he is his old self for this week's game.

I'm not pasting a ton of links hit KFFL or Roto for this stuff if ya want. I tried to be pretty clear on what was a guess and a possibility and what was actual.

 

[slayer666]

this is how bad i want manningham to do good this week: in looking at the bills' box scores, each opponent's third receiving option has had the big day. its that or dhb, still debating

Is Mario now the third or still the second option???

He's third in targets the last 2 games.

Interesting way to phrase that, as Mario had more targets than Nicks last week. Despite missing 1.5 games, he has 1 less target than Cruz on the season.

I like both Cruz and Manningham, so I don't really have a dog in the hunt. But Manningham's targets have gone 7-7-x-5-9 while Cruz went 2-2-5-9-11. Cruz took advantage of the week Manningham was injured, and he hasn't looked back.Regardless, I see little reason to drop a guy who is in the top 30 in targets and fantasy points per game.

In what format is Manningham in the top 30 in pts per game?

Whoops, that should just say targets. Sorry.

According to FBG's, Mario is tied for 42nd in targets.

Per game?

Manningham has been targeted 28 times in 2011:Week 1: 7 (4-49-0)Week 2: 7 (3-56-0)Week 3: DNPWeek 4: 5 (1-10-0)Week 5: 9 (5-56-0)

 

[ldizzle]

a majority thought this guy could but it together this season at a wr2 status. The combination of stone hands, self concussion, bad play by Eli, and the emergence of cruz have made him awful. Next week they are on bye and if he doesnt produce this week is he still a hold?

I know i know he is due for one of those big games like last year, but for those that waited on wr and drafted him as a wr2 how long is too long to hold on to this guy?

= manningham

 

[degenerate]

i suppose i can live with 13 yds per catch, but this guy needs td's, and i just dont think he's getting the chance for any. are any of those targets within the red zone? otherwise, you can't predict when he will get a long one. can anyone list the wr's ranked 20-40 that are more prone to being start-worthy due to getting red zone looks? garcon/branch/plax/tb mike/ward/dhb??? i dont know, hopefully someone has stats or a better estimate.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Cruz Owns Manningham...

he has had a few good games, and been the recipient of some really lucky breaks too. That 70 yard td was a fluke. This defense is bad enough that teams like this can support 3 receivers *see philly, and buffalo, but to a more erratic extent.This game is about matchups and this week the matchup looks pretty good. The Bills score in bunches and get scored on just as much. They are also opportunistic and it isn't unlikely that manning gives up a pick 6 or 2. I think this is gonna be a big week for both manningham and cruz. You have to think the bills are gonna key on Nicks and bradshaw, and that should leave plenty of yards and opportunity for mario/victor.

 

[kingmalaki]

i suppose i can live with 13 yds per catch, but this guy needs td's, and i just dont think he's getting the chance for any. are any of those targets within the red zone? otherwise, you can't predict when he will get a long one. can anyone list the wr's ranked 20-40 that are more prone to being start-worthy due to getting red zone looks? garcon/branch/plax/tb mike/ward/dhb??? i dont know, hopefully someone has stats or a better estimate.

I think Plax can get in the end zone this week...just a hunch.

 

[rocketsauce]

I intend (and am) to go down with the ship with Manningham.

Drafted him at the 4/5 turn in my draft. Started him, he sucked. Traded him right before he got hurt. Traded to get him back prior to last week. Started him, he sucked. Starting him again this week.

1-4.

Yay!

 

[Kenny Powers]

a majority thought this guy could but it together this season at a wr2 status. The combination of stone hands, self concussion, bad play by Eli, and the emergence of cruz have made him awful. Next week they are on bye and if he doesnt produce this week is he still a hold?

Eli is QB7 behind only the FF studs (Rodgers, Newton, Brady, Brees, Vick, Stafford). He's doing fine.

 

[glumpy]

I've been up and down with him. Had him last year and drafted him this season--and then dropped after the concussion. Picked him up before week 5 in a tossup--higher ceiling/lower floor vs stability, then after hitting the floor again tried to reverse this week without success. Gotta remind myself that I'm playing for that ceiling because there's nobody who I feel like dropping him for--and he's my #3WR anyway so unless he blows up again he'll just be an occasional matchup play. Looks like he's staying on my roster.

 

[E_Smith]

Manningham had a decent game. He came real close to scoring two TD's. One where he just fell short of the goal line and they initially gave him the score but was reversed, and the second where he caught a long pass but could not control the ball as he landed (defender got his hands on the ball). He led the team w/ 8 targets, catching 5 for 56 yards. Looks like going forward Manningham should be a solid WR3 or better.

 

[Hairy Snowman]

Manningham had a decent game. He came real close to scoring two TD's. One where he just fell short of the goal line and they initially gave him the score but was reversed, and the second where he caught a long pass but could not control the ball as he landed (defender got his hands on the ball). He led the team w/ 8 targets, catching 5 for 56 yards. Looks like going forward Manningham should be a solid WR3 or better.

Shhhh. He's terrible. Not worth a roster spot. Right Saber?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

a majority thought this guy could but it together this season at a wr2 status. The combination of stone hands, self concussion, bad play by Eli, and the emergence of cruz have made him awful. Next week they are on bye and if he doesnt produce this week is he still a hold?

Eli is QB7 behind only the FF studs (Rodgers, Newton, Brady, Brees, Vick, Stafford). He's doing fine.

FF stats don't always equate to good NFL play... More often times they go hand in hand with attempts which can be tied in some manner with ability, or good play, but often times is more tied to the situation during the game.. Eli has made some bad throws. Constantly being forced to make up points will be more the culprit, rather than Eli being a top 7 QB via his play alone.

 

[todisco1]

a majority thought this guy could but it together this season at a wr2 status. The combination of stone hands, self concussion, bad play by Eli, and the emergence of cruz have made him awful. Next week they are on bye and if he doesnt produce this week is he still a hold?

Eli is QB7 behind only the FF studs (Rodgers, Newton, Brady, Brees, Vick, Stafford). He's doing fine.

FF stats don't always equate to good NFL play... More often times they go hand in hand with attempts which can be tied in some manner with ability, or good play, but often times is more tied to the situation during the game.. Eli has made some bad throws. Constantly being forced to make up points will be more the culprit, rather than Eli being a top 7 QB via his play alone.

Eli has definitely made some bad throws, but he's looked good the last few weeks. He's not an upper tier elite stud, but he's a good/very good QB.

 

[Sabertooth]

Manningham had a decent game. He came real close to scoring two TD's. One where he just fell short of the goal line and they initially gave him the score but was reversed, and the second where he caught a long pass but could not control the ball as he landed (defender got his hands on the ball). He led the team w/ 8 targets, catching 5 for 56 yards. Looks like going forward Manningham should be a solid WR3 or better.

Shhhh. He's terrible. Not worth a roster spot. Right Saber?

I'm actually warming on him after these last two games where he has some catches and production.

 

[Dizzy]

Manningham had a decent game. He came real close to scoring two TD's. One where he just fell short of the goal line and they initially gave him the score but was reversed, and the second where he caught a long pass but could not control the ball as he landed (defender got his hands on the ball). He led the team w/ 8 targets, catching 5 for 56 yards. Looks like going forward Manningham should be a solid WR3 or better.

Just watched the replay on NFL.com... amazing how close Manningham came to having a monster game. Eli looked his way a LOT! That long TD non-catch was even challenged by Coughlin... nice play by the DB though to stay with it all the way through to the ground and get the ball out of there.He was also forced out of bounds inside the 5 after another catch and drew a (desperation) defensive holding penalty while beating the DB on another break to the end zone... one of those "good penalties" to save the TD.

Encouraging to say the least.

I played him, but played AGAINST the Ahmad Bradshaw owner. CRAP!

 

[Kenny Powers]

Manningham had a decent game. He came real close to scoring two TD's. One where he just fell short of the goal line and they initially gave him the score but was reversed, and the second where he caught a long pass but could not control the ball as he landed (defender got his hands on the ball). He led the team w/ 8 targets, catching 5 for 56 yards. Looks like going forward Manningham should be a solid WR3 or better.

Just watched the replay on NFL.com... amazing how close Manningham came to having a monster game. Eli looked his way a LOT! That long TD non-catch was even challenged by Coughlin... nice play by the DB though to stay with it all the way through to the ground and get the ball out of there.He was also forced out of bounds inside the 5 after another catch and drew a (desperation) defensive holding penalty while beating the DB on another break to the end zone... one of those "good penalties" to save the TD.

Encouraging to say the least.

I played him, but played AGAINST the Ahmad Bradshaw owner. CRAP!

Yeah, Im just about to finish watching the NFLN replay. They cut out the BS, and yet Mario was in it a lot. He literally was close to a 2 TD, 100+ yard game. Im going to try to get him the next couple days.

 

[Hairy Snowman]

Manningham had a decent game. He came real close to scoring two TD's. One where he just fell short of the goal line and they initially gave him the score but was reversed, and the second where he caught a long pass but could not control the ball as he landed (defender got his hands on the ball). He led the team w/ 8 targets, catching 5 for 56 yards. Looks like going forward Manningham should be a solid WR3 or better.

Shhhh. He's terrible. Not worth a roster spot. Right Saber?

I'm actually warming on him after these last two games where he has some catches and production.

As I said earlier in the season. The pressure cooker that is New York does funny things to people. I expect him to feel the heat the longer the season goes on.I guarantee the sports talk shows are still ragging on how he still doesn't have a TD for the season. Especially if the Giants lose some games, I see good things coming. . . .

 

[duaneok66]

I saw most of the game as well, and it looked like he was in on all the 2WR sets . . .

snap count (Profootballfocus.com)

Week 6

Nicks 60

Manningham 50

Cruz 21 (his lowest total since week 1) . . .

 

[Tanner9919]

I saw most of the game as well, and it looked like he was in on all the 2WR sets . . .snap count (Profootballfocus.com)Week 6Nicks 60Manningham 50Cruz 21 (his lowest total since week 1) . . .

good stuff! thanks!Manningham at a minimum , is worthy of a pickup, he sports an amazingly consistent stat line of 5-56..now that might seem low to some, but in PPR with 1 pt per 25 rec yards, that's 7pts/week..and you can't put a price on consistency.. he'll be one of the top 15-20 WR's the remainder of the season, ala 2010..he's just getting warmed up!

 

[solorca]

I saw most of the game as well, and it looked like he was in on all the 2WR sets . . .snap count (Profootballfocus.com)Week 6Nicks 60Manningham 50Cruz 21 (his lowest total since week 1) . . .

good stuff! thanks!Manningham at a minimum , is worthy of a pickup, he sports an amazingly consistent stat line of 5-56..now that might seem low to some, but in PPR with 1 pt per 25 rec yards, that's 7pts/week..and you can't put a price on consistency.. he'll be one of the top 15-20 WR's the remainder of the season, ala 2010..he's just getting warmed up!

What an odd scoring system. You get a point for every catch, but only one point for 25 yards? So someone like Michael Crabtree last week with 9/77 would be worth more than a guy who goes for 6/150

 

[Holy Schneikes]

You talk about him like he has no talent. He isn't Doug Baldwin. He isnt Early Doucet. He isn't even Brian Hartline. Manningham is a talented, big, fast WR that has had fairly consistent success in the NFL.

He's 5'11 1/2 and 181 pounds and ran a 4.6 at the combine (though he ran a much better time at his pro day). Regardless, to imply that he is this overwhelming physical package that blows away the other receivers talked about is a bit misguided.Baldwin for example is 5'10, 190 pounds and ran a 4.5 (with a lightning fast 3 cone). Faster shuttle, higher vertical than Manningham etc. Doucet is a little taller, a lot "bigger", and a little slower. Hartline is 6'2 and ran a 4.5. And they were all drafted in the same range except for Baldwin of course.He has enough speed and enough size and is very quick. But let's not pretend he is Andre or Calvin. He's in the same boat as all of the rest of these guys physically.