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Manningham. Is it time to dump him? (1 Viewer)

'Holy Schneikes said:
'Hairy Snowman said:
You talk about him like he has no talent. He isn't Doug Baldwin. He isnt Early Doucet. He isn't even Brian Hartline. Manningham is a talented, big, fast WR that has had fairly consistent success in the NFL.
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He's 5'11 1/2 and 181 pounds and ran a 4.6 at the combine (though he ran a much better time at his pro day). Regardless, to imply that he is this overwhelming physical package that blows away the other receivers talked about is a bit misguided.Baldwin for example is 5'10, 190 pounds and ran a 4.5 (with a lightning fast 3 cone). Faster shuttle, higher vertical than Manningham etc. Doucet is a little taller, a lot "bigger", and a little slower. Hartline is 6'2 and ran a 4.5. And they were all drafted in the same range except for Baldwin of course.

He has enough speed and enough size and is very quick. But let's not pretend he is Andre or Calvin. He's in the same boat as all of the rest of these guys physically.
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First, I'm not calling him Calvin or Andre Johnson. Don't think I said that. They are THE two premier WRs in the league. The best out there right now. Period. Saying I said that is hyperbole. However, in the system he is in, he is no Hartline either.And he is really 5'11 1/2? He sure looked taller when he played Florida in the 2007 Capital One Bowl when he ran for 57 yards and 5 passes for 78 and a TD while consistently jumping over Joe Hayden. Joe Hayden turned out to be pretty good too.

The NFL has him listed at 6'0, while other sources have him at 5'11 (not that 1/2 an inch makes that a difference really) http://www.nfl.com/player/mariomanningham/1030/profile Regardless, I think he plays tall.

And he seems to play faster than a high 4.5 on the field. He was timed at 4.39 at the pro day . http://40-yard-dash-times.com/mario-manningham-40-yard-dash-times.html As opposed to Hartline, who ran a 4.52 http://40-yard-dash-times.com/miami-dolphins-wr.html .

Having said that, you are entitled to your opinion. Mine is that Manningham is a quality WR and will be for at least a few more years. You are entitled to think he is a bust. My opinion is he runs closer to 4.39 than 4.5. I think he will put on a nice stretch run. You are entitled to think he will not.

But we will see. I'm betting on some solid production over the next couple of months. We can revisit this later if you would like, but I think so far I have had a pretty good track record on this board (if you go and check my posts).

 
well, he doubled cruz's pass plays and led the team in targets last game. hes avging 7.2 targets a game. he should be able to put up viable numbers given his current role.

 
I like him going forward and he was a secondary player I got in a trade this week. I have a feeling now was the last time to buy low on Mario.

 
'Kenny Powers said:
I like him going forward and he was a secondary player I got in a trade this week. I have a feeling now was the last time to buy low on Mario.
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Everybody was down on him because of the injury and he didnt light it up after his first game back from a conussion. he can potentially be a good wr2 down the stretch, he has done it before...3 chances at tds last week as well.
 
I'm still very high on Manningham and hoping he gives a couple of my teams a huge boost midseason. Hidden in all the Victor Cruz storm was how he made more bad plays than he did good plays.

Manningham on the other hand, was "victim" to

some strange circumstances. Eli kept missing him on deep balls, some pass interference penalties.... He did screw up pretty bad with that one concussion bobble, but other than that I see him on the cusp of some huge games. Still trying to buy low while I can in 1 league.

 
'sspunisher said:
I'm still very high on Manningham and hoping he gives a couple of my teams a huge boost midseason. Hidden in all the Victor Cruz storm was how he made more bad plays than he did good plays. Manningham on the other hand, was "victim" tosome strange circumstances. Eli kept missing him on deep balls, some pass interference penalties.... He did screw up pretty bad with that one concussion bobble, but other than that I see him on the cusp of some huge games. Still trying to buy low while I can in 1 league.
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You can have him. I've got him down at 38 fantasy points so far this season. Several guys have had more in one game than he's done in half a season. I'd sell him in dynasty but I'm hoping he has that big game first.
 
FWIW, I have Nicks and Manningham is on the WW in a 10 team PPR...I'm going to try and take a shot on him for Jacoby Ford in case Nicks misses any time. When Nicks missed time last year I THINK Manningham was a WR1 down the stretch.

Any other Nicks owners trying to get him?

 
'Bigboy10182000 said:
FWIW, I have Nicks and Manningham is on the WW in a 10 team PPR...I'm going to try and take a shot on him for Jacoby Ford in case Nicks misses any time. When Nicks missed time last year I THINK Manningham was a WR1 down the stretch.Any other Nicks owners trying to get him?
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This is a viable strategy I think. Of course with Cruz in the picture, its a bit more muddled than just "plug in Mario if Nicks goes down."
 
'Sabertooth said:
'Bigboy10182000 said:
FWIW, I have Nicks and Manningham is on the WW in a 10 team PPR...I'm going to try and take a shot on him for Jacoby Ford in case Nicks misses any time. When Nicks missed time last year I THINK Manningham was a WR1 down the stretch.Any other Nicks owners trying to get him?
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This is a viable strategy I think. Of course with Cruz in the picture, its a bit more muddled than just "plug in Mario if Nicks goes down."
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Agreed but looking at what's on the WW I feell OK taking a shot on him just in case Nicks misses anytime.
 
'Sabertooth said:
'sspunisher said:
I'm still very high on Manningham and hoping he gives a couple of my teams a huge boost midseason. Hidden in all the Victor Cruz storm was how he made more bad plays than he did good plays. Manningham on the other hand, was "victim" tosome strange circumstances. Eli kept missing him on deep balls, some pass interference penalties.... He did screw up pretty bad with that one concussion bobble, but other than that I see him on the cusp of some huge games. Still trying to buy low while I can in 1 league.
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You can have him. I've got him down at 38 fantasy points so far this season. Several guys have had more in one game than he's done in half a season. I'd sell him in dynasty but I'm hoping he has that big game first.
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I just see way too much potential to write him off that quick. Yes he's a #2, but he's one of the best #2s in the league. Off the top of my head, the only #2s I can put ahead of Manningham are Dez or Miles (whichever you consider the 2) and Maclin. And to be honest, he probably has more upside than the number 1 WR on a good 10 or so teams in the league. He's the deep threat of that offense and also the possession receiver so he sees a ridiculous amount of quality targets for a #2. I'm sure he's out-targeted Nicks in a couple games. The #s aren't there but after watching some of those Giants games, the only word I have to explain it is fluke. There's just no way I see Manningham continue posting mediocre stat-lines with the amount of quality targets he's seeing.
 
'sspunisher said:
'Sabertooth said:
'sspunisher said:
I'm still very high on Manningham and hoping he gives a couple of my teams a huge boost midseason. Hidden in all the Victor Cruz storm was how he made more bad plays than he did good plays. Manningham on the other hand, was "victim" tosome strange circumstances. Eli kept missing him on deep balls, some pass interference penalties.... He did screw up pretty bad with that one concussion bobble, but other than that I see him on the cusp of some huge games. Still trying to buy low while I can in 1 league.
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You can have him. I've got him down at 38 fantasy points so far this season. Several guys have had more in one game than he's done in half a season. I'd sell him in dynasty but I'm hoping he has that big game first.
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I just see way too much potential to write him off that quick. Yes he's a #2, but he's one of the best #2s in the league. Off the top of my head, the only #2s I can put ahead of Manningham are Dez or Miles (whichever you consider the 2) and Maclin. And to be honest, he probably has more upside than the number 1 WR on a good 10 or so teams in the league. He's the deep threat of that offense and also the possession receiver so he sees a ridiculous amount of quality targets for a #2. I'm sure he's out-targeted Nicks in a couple games. The #s aren't there but after watching some of those Giants games, the only word I have to explain it is fluke. There's just no way I see Manningham continue posting mediocre stat-lines with the amount of quality targets he's seeing.
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No way. He's average at best.
 
Anyone starting him this week? Strongly considering plugging him in over Battle because I like his chances at a big game vs crappy Miami

 
I'm starting him, along with VJax and Little over Crabtree and Harvin. Not exactly great options, but he is my WR2 for the week.

 
'Kenny Powers said:
Anyone starting him this week? Strongly considering plugging him in over Battle because I like his chances at a big game vs crappy Miami
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I'm playing him at the flex. Though in the interest of disclosure, I have Battle in the RB slot w/Forte out. Starting Mario over Floyd / Harvin / Addai.But I've been mulling it over daily because I like the Monday night games for prime time breakout type games. I just can't convince myself that is Rivers to Floyd instead of VJax, Gates or even Mathews.
 
'Walton Goggins said:
I'm very torn on who to start Manningham or Brown (PIT)
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Going with Brown who I picked up by cutting Garscon (two great games, the rest utter garbage) over Manningham this week and here is why: Pitt should be in catchup mode. The line is the highest for any game this week. I expect more rushing from the Giants possible limiting Manningham. I also have a ton of guys off this week and feel like Brown is a swingnfor the fence play FWIW
 
i disagree. First of all, Ward has not been ruled out yet - secondly, Brown is not a clear #2 even when Ward is out - while Manningham is clearly #2 in NY. It's a close call either way. I have both and I am starting A Brown, but it could go wither way.

 
'duaneok66 said:
i disagree. First of all, Ward has not been ruled out yet - secondly, Brown is not a clear #2 even when Ward is out - while Manningham is clearly #2 in NY. It's a close call either way. I have both and I am starting A Brown, but it could go wither way.
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I'm with you on this one. Manningham's floor seems to be about 5 for 56 (his last two games, with a slew of bad breaks in the last game) while Antonio has put up a few stinkers (although one with a narrowly missed TD) and a nice catch and yardage total game last time. The matchups are equally bad on the defensive side, although obviously the Pats should keep the Steelers throwing, while the Dolphins will lay down and die v the Giants. Even so, give me the #2, likely to see 85%+ of the snaps, then the #3ish Brown, who could spend time on the bench if the Steelers can run the ball effectively.But yes, both very juicy matchups. I traded Antonio Brown & Tolbert for Manningham & Lynch on Friday. Just can't quit Mario.
 
'duaneok66 said:
i disagree. First of all, Ward has not been ruled out yet - secondly, Brown is not a clear #2 even when Ward is out - while Manningham is clearly #2 in NY. It's a close call either way. I have both and I am starting A Brown, but it could go wither way.
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Sorry, I assumed Ward was 'out'.. looking back I see it's a "most likely will not play" situation.I still like Brown better.. The poster I was responding to was basing his thought on snap count, which is flawed in my opinion. I think Browns snap count will likely increase, be cause Ward will likely not be playing..
 
i get your point, but the 'most likely' tag clouds the issue - Ward might gut it out and go, and the Steelers always put him on the field even if he is slowing down the passing game. Meanwhile Manningham is on the field 80-85% of the time.

 
'duaneok66 said:
i get your point, but the 'most likely' tag clouds the issue - Ward might gut it out and go, and the Steelers always put him on the field even if he is slowing down the passing game. Meanwhile Manningham is on the field 80-85% of the time.
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I think Ward is more likely going to be on the sideline then on the field.. Pretty good odds I think.. And I can always wait to see pregame updates...Assuming Ward will be on the sideline, I start Brown, if they announce before the game that Ward will play, then it's a close call.. I'd then flip a coin... But without Ward playing, I take Brown every day Pitt plays NE...
 
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'Carolina Hustler said:
'duaneok66 said:
i get your point, but the 'most likely' tag clouds the issue - Ward might gut it out and go, and the Steelers always put him on the field even if he is slowing down the passing game. Meanwhile Manningham is on the field 80-85% of the time.
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I think Ward is more likely going to be on the sideline then on the field.. Pretty good odds I think.. And I can always wait to see pregame updates...Assuming Ward will be on the sideline, I start Brown, if they announce before the game that Ward will play, then it's a close call.. I'd then flip a coin... But without Ward playing, I take Brown every day Pitt plays NE...
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I will just tell you which one I am starting so the other one will go off.
 
'Carolina Hustler said:
'duaneok66 said:
i disagree. First of all, Ward has not been ruled out yet - secondly, Brown is not a clear #2 even when Ward is out - while Manningham is clearly #2 in NY. It's a close call either way. I have both and I am starting A Brown, but it could go wither way.
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Sorry, I assumed Ward was 'out'.. looking back I see it's a "most likely will not play" situation.I still like Brown better.. The poster I was responding to was basing his thought on snap count, which is flawed in my opinion. I think Browns snap count will likely increase, be cause Ward will likely not be playing..
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I assumed Ward would be out when I was talking about snap count. I see a clear cut #2 in Manningham while Brown is in a 2a/2b scenario with Sanders. Good point with the Steelers game more likely to be a shootout, though. But conversely, if the Giants are sporting a big lead, I expect to see less Cruz and more 2 WR sets. Manningham has a playaction bomb coming his way. Hope he catches it cleanly this time.
 
'sspunisher said:
'Carolina Hustler said:
'duaneok66 said:
i disagree. First of all, Ward has not been ruled out yet - secondly, Brown is not a clear #2 even when Ward is out - while Manningham is clearly #2 in NY. It's a close call either way. I have both and I am starting A Brown, but it could go wither way.
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Sorry, I assumed Ward was 'out'.. looking back I see it's a "most likely will not play" situation.I still like Brown better.. The poster I was responding to was basing his thought on snap count, which is flawed in my opinion. I think Browns snap count will likely increase, be cause Ward will likely not be playing..
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I assumed Ward would be out when I was talking about snap count. I see a clear cut #2 in Manningham while Brown is in a 2a/2b scenario with Sanders. Good point with the Steelers game more likely to be a shootout, though. But conversely, if the Giants are sporting a big lead, I expect to see less Cruz and more 2 WR sets. Manningham has a playaction bomb coming his way. Hope he catches it cleanly this time.
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Brown seems more like a big play guy to me. I think with equal snaps, Brown gets more big plays, especially with what will likely be a shootout this week..
 
'Carolina Hustler said:
'sspunisher said:
'Carolina Hustler said:
'duaneok66 said:
i disagree. First of all, Ward has not been ruled out yet - secondly, Brown is not a clear #2 even when Ward is out - while Manningham is clearly #2 in NY. It's a close call either way. I have both and I am starting A Brown, but it could go wither way.
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Sorry, I assumed Ward was 'out'.. looking back I see it's a "most likely will not play" situation.I still like Brown better.. The poster I was responding to was basing his thought on snap count, which is flawed in my opinion. I think Browns snap count will likely increase, be cause Ward will likely not be playing..
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I assumed Ward would be out when I was talking about snap count. I see a clear cut #2 in Manningham while Brown is in a 2a/2b scenario with Sanders. Good point with the Steelers game more likely to be a shootout, though. But conversely, if the Giants are sporting a big lead, I expect to see less Cruz and more 2 WR sets. Manningham has a playaction bomb coming his way. Hope he catches it cleanly this time.
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Brown seems more like a big play guy to me. I think with equal snaps, Brown gets more big plays, especially with what will likely be a shootout this week..
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Mario is about as much of a big play WR as there is. Just last week, didnt he have a couple 20+ yard catches where he went down at the 1? I think Brown definitely has big play ability, but what we saw in the preseason hasnt been apparent yet in the regular season. I think MIA is just as great of a matchup as NE. MIA was 31st or 32nd pass D last week and only moved up because they played vs Tebow.Im not sure how good NE's ST is, but that shouldnt be overlooked either because Brown has almost taken a return back at least once every game. This week might be the week he finally gets in the endzone, but it might surprise people and be on a return.

 
From The Huddle player news...Updating a previous report, Pittsburgh Steelers WR Emmanuel Sanders said Friday, Oct. 28, that he is the likely starter if WR Hines Ward (ankle) cannot play in Week 8 against the New England Patriots. 'If he can't go, I am the starter, but as of right now, we're going with (Ward),' Sanders said. 'I saw him running today. Things are looking good.

Looks like Ward is gonna play from what Sanders is saying now...

 
'Kwai Chang Caine said:
'Walton Goggins said:
I'm very torn on who to start Manningham or Brown (PIT)
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Going with Brown who I picked up by cutting Garscon (two great games, the rest utter garbage) over Manningham this week and here is why: Pitt should be in catchup mode. The line is the highest for any game this week. I expect more rushing from the Giants possible limiting Manningham. I also have a ton of guys off this week and feel like Brown is a swingnfor the fence play FWIW
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I pretty much agree although since my other WR is Mike Wallace I am a little worried if I start Brown then it's like putting all my eggs in one basket.
 
'Kenny Powers said:
'Carolina Hustler said:
'sspunisher said:
'Carolina Hustler said:
'duaneok66 said:
i disagree. First of all, Ward has not been ruled out yet - secondly, Brown is not a clear #2 even when Ward is out - while Manningham is clearly #2 in NY. It's a close call either way. I have both and I am starting A Brown, but it could go wither way.
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Sorry, I assumed Ward was 'out'.. looking back I see it's a "most likely will not play" situation.I still like Brown better.. The poster I was responding to was basing his thought on snap count, which is flawed in my opinion. I think Browns snap count will likely increase, be cause Ward will likely not be playing..
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I assumed Ward would be out when I was talking about snap count. I see a clear cut #2 in Manningham while Brown is in a 2a/2b scenario with Sanders. Good point with the Steelers game more likely to be a shootout, though. But conversely, if the Giants are sporting a big lead, I expect to see less Cruz and more 2 WR sets. Manningham has a playaction bomb coming his way. Hope he catches it cleanly this time.
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Brown seems more like a big play guy to me. I think with equal snaps, Brown gets more big plays, especially with what will likely be a shootout this week..
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Mario is about as much of a big play WR as there is. Just last week, didnt he have a couple 20+ yard catches where he went down at the 1? I think Brown definitely has big play ability, but what we saw in the preseason hasnt been apparent yet in the regular season. I think MIA is just as great of a matchup as NE. MIA was 31st or 32nd pass D last week and only moved up because they played vs Tebow.Im not sure how good NE's ST is, but that shouldnt be overlooked either because Brown has almost taken a return back at least once every game. This week might be the week he finally gets in the endzone, but it might surprise people and be on a return.
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Difference being the MIA isn't going to be putting up many points... And NY won't be forced to pass in order to keep up.. NE on the other hand will score, PIT will have to answer back..

 
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'Jake22 said:
From The Huddle player news...Updating a previous report, Pittsburgh Steelers WR Emmanuel Sanders said Friday, Oct. 28, that he is the likely starter if WR Hines Ward (ankle) cannot play in Week 8 against the New England Patriots. 'If he can't go, I am the starter, but as of right now, we're going with (Ward),' Sanders said. 'I saw him running today. Things are looking good.Looks like Ward is gonna play from what Sanders is saying now...
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grrr . . . decisions, decisions.
 
since this is a brown vs manningham debate......

fyi - pats just cut cb bodden, and placed rookie cb dowling on IR.

we are left with 2nd year cb mccourty, and arrington -- who had been promoted off special teams to starter last year.

I believe vontae davis is out for miami.

.Jimmy Wilson. The rookie seventh round draft pick is expected to start this week at cornerback for the Dolphins, in place of the injured Vontae Davis.

 
'Kool-Aid Larry said:
since this is a brown vs manningham debate......

fyi - pats just cut cb bodden, and placed rookie cb dowling on IR.

we are left with 2nd year cb mccourty, and arrington -- who had been promoted off special teams to starter last year.

I believe vontae davis is out for miami.

.Jimmy Wilson. The rookie seventh round draft pick is expected to start this week at cornerback for the Dolphins, in place of the injured Vontae Davis.
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Making things now even more difficult is putting Sanders into the mix here. Few things I'm struggling with since I can start any one of those guys:1. NE / PIT SHOULD be a high scoring game or at least PIT is going to have to pass a lot with NE. Plus NE lost another DB.

2. I have Mike Wallace so start two PIT WR and put all eggs into one basket? Are we convinced even that Brown is the play over Sanders?

3. Manningham legit WR2 but will going against a horrible MIA defense generate many pts for NYG WR?

4. Jacobs is back

5. NY weather right now is horribly which I'm thinking leads to them running the ball more, get the lead and rely on the run.

All said, looks like Manningham, Sanders, Brown have positives and negatives going into Sunday, I'm just racking my brain in who I should start.

 
'Walton Goggins said:
'Kool-Aid Larry said:
since this is a brown vs manningham debate......

fyi - pats just cut cb bodden, and placed rookie cb dowling on IR.

we are left with 2nd year cb mccourty, and arrington -- who had been promoted off special teams to starter last year.

I believe vontae davis is out for miami.

.Jimmy Wilson. The rookie seventh round draft pick is expected to start this week at cornerback for the Dolphins, in place of the injured Vontae Davis.
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Making things now even more difficult is putting Sanders into the mix here. Few things I'm struggling with since I can start any one of those guys:1. NE / PIT SHOULD be a high scoring game or at least PIT is going to have to pass a lot with NE. Plus NE lost another DB.

2. I have Mike Wallace so start two PIT WR and put all eggs into one basket? Are we convinced even that Brown is the play over Sanders?

3. Manningham legit WR2 but will going against a horrible MIA defense generate many pts for NYG WR?

4. Jacobs is back

5. NY weather right now is horribly which I'm thinking leads to them running the ball more, get the lead and rely on the run.

All said, looks like Manningham, Sanders, Brown have positives and negatives going into Sunday, I'm just racking my brain in who I should start.
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