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Manny Ramirez retires (1 Viewer)

'fruity pebbles said:
Started off crappy and i guess MLB informed him of a problem with a recent drug test. He informed them that hes retiring.
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Tampa Bay Rays designated hitter Manny Ramirez is retiring.Major League Baseball announced the move in a statement on Friday."Major League Baseball recently notified Manny Ramirez of an issue under Major League Baseball's Joint Drug Prevention and Treatment Program," the statement said. "Rather than continue with the process under the Program, Ramirez has informed MLB that he is retiring as an active player. If Ramirez seeks reinstatement in the future, the process under the Drug Program will be completed. MLB will not have any further comment on this matter."
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The Rays purchased the contract of Casey Kotchman from Triple-A Durham to replace Ramirez on the roster.

I guess its time to open the steroid wing of the HOF

Manny, Bonds, Clemens, Palmerio, McGwire, Sosa

 
Manny's career slash line of .312/.411/.585 puts him in the top ten of career SLG and 32nd in OBP.

He also has over $200M in lifetime earnings, although I worry if he's been as prudent as the average Wilpon in his financial affairs.

 
'Eephus said:
'Notorious T.R.E. said:
'Eephus said:
'B Maverick said:
The Rays purchased the contract of Casey Kotchman from Triple-A Durham to replace Ramirez on the roster.
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Dan Johnson and his 1 for 23 thanks you
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Kotchman is always huge.
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The Angels sure have had a bunch of hitting prospects who haven't panned out
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No kidding, what's up with that. Trumbo, though he's not doing much thus far in the pros, seems to be promising.
 
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Manny lost his edge after being busted using PEDs. Not sure how good he really was because he cheated most of his career.

 
Doesn't bother me a bit. Fun seeing Manny smash the ball for all those years. :thumbup:

 
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'Notorious T.R.E. said:
'Eephus said:
'Notorious T.R.E. said:
'Eephus said:
'B Maverick said:
The Rays purchased the contract of Casey Kotchman from Triple-A Durham to replace Ramirez on the roster.
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Dan Johnson and his 1 for 23 thanks you
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Kotchman is always huge.
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The Angels sure have had a bunch of hitting prospects who haven't panned out
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No kidding, what's up with that. Trumbo, though he's not doing much thus far in the pros, seems to be promising.
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Trumbo's looked pretty good and is batting 286.
 
'flapgreen said:
Doesn't bother me a bit. Fun seeing Manny smash the ball for all those years. :thumbup:
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Few players have come through in the clutch like Manny did. Still I can't stand his attitude, greed(PEDs.. not the contracts), and the way he wastes his potential. He doesn't deserve The Game or The Hall. Good riddance.
 
Now that I've had some time to reflect on this, I think it would be a shame if the steroid issues kept him out of the Hall, as some of the talking heads who cover baseball would suggest. Other than Pujols and perhaps A-Rod, Manny is the best RH hitter of my lifetime. As with Bonds, juicing will make balls travel a greater distance, sure. But just sticking a needle in one's ### doesn't automatically mean someone is going to step into the box and RAKE the way ManRam did. If that were the case, there would be 200 guys with his numbers.

I hope the HoF voters can someday take a step back and realize that this guy was a natural born hitter. Same with Rodriguez.

 
'Raider Nation said:
Now that I've had some time to reflect on this, I think it would be a shame if the steroid issues kept him out of the Hall, as some of the talking heads who cover baseball would suggest. Other than Pujols and perhaps A-Rod, Manny is the best RH hitter of my lifetime. As with Bonds, juicing will make balls travel a greater distance, sure. But just sticking a needle in one's ### doesn't automatically mean someone is going to step into the box and RAKE the way ManRam did. If that were the case, there would be 200 guys with his numbers. I hope the HoF voters can someday take a step back and realize that this guy was a natural born hitter. Same with Rodriguez.
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Well, you're entitled to your opinion but :violin: More distance? Bonds did things we never saw and got better with age, defying everything player decline has taught us for years. I think its clear that roids equal more than home run length on its own(although I think it did seem to usher an era of opposite field home run hitters which has declined, and this was Manny's forte). Now the question is, what did it do?We will never know, and as far as I'm concerned, Manny, A-Rod, Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, the lot of them, can rot in the limbo of that question. The reason you feel that way about Manny is because of roids. Otherwise, you might give Frank Thomas that title. The roids aren't bad in and of themselves. What makes me crazy though, is the fact that guys who did it legitmately, based on every indication, have THEIR legacy stripped. Its the reason a guy like Fred McGriff with 493 homers is an after through for the Hall of Fame.Its the reason Griffey Jr. takes a backseat to guys who put up "bigger" numbers. Its the reason Jim Thome hits his 600th home run and its met with a yawn instead of the incredible feat it is. 600 homers isn't a big deal because Sosa, Bonds and A-Rod did it. I know we've had the same ol fight around here for years, but Manny and the crew got filthy rich tilting the table. About the last court of appeal on their legacy is the Hall. And I'm happy and hopeful they never sniff the place.
 
Okay, I hear what you're saying. I really do. Then I guess the main thing I would have a problem with is denying the guys who clearly were elite ball players before they started juicing. Bonds looked Ethiopian early in his career, and he was one of the best players in the game.

McGwire was a stick as a rookie, and he hit 49 HRs.

Should these guys be praised for "bulking up," even though there was no specific MLB rule against it? Of course not. But how much do we need to hurt them?

 
'Raider Nation said:
Okay, I hear what you're saying. I really do. Then I guess the main thing I would have a problem with is denying the guys who clearly were elite ball players before they started juicing. Bonds looked Ethiopian early in his career, and he was one of the best players in the game.

McGwire was a stick as a rookie, and he hit 49 HRs.

Should these guys be praised for "bulking up," even though there was no specific MLB rule against it? Of course not. But how much do we need to hurt them?
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Well, technically, they were banned substances by MLB since 1990:http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/22247395/

So there was a rule against, just not a means of testing until the horse was out of the barn.

Again, I've made the argument in the past, these were banned substances, illegal in the US and if it was such a minor advantage, why do these wonder drugs in the dark? Why not tell everyone what they can do?

How much have they been hurt if they don't go in the Hall of Fame? They already made their money, they already own the records, my personal belief is that their place in the Hall by definition takes the place of someone much more worthy. I'd honest to God put Maris in before Bonds, McGwire or Sosa.

They have taken everything from us as fans. They have taken our money, they have taken a big piece of the history of this game, which the numbers which are debated and treated as an evaluative baseline. And hell Raider, manny and Ortiz were on the gas when they took the 2004 ALCS. As a fan, I'm not interested in giving the last thing left to take and thats a hollow plaque in the Hall.

Let Balco build a juice hall and see who shows up.

 
According to TMZ, Manny Ramirez has been arrested in Florida over a domestic incident.

Witnesses told TMZ that Ramirez was involved in an altercation with his wife. He is in custody, according to the website. Ramirez retired from baseball in April after failing a drug test during spring training. He would have to serve a 100-game suspension if he ever thought about making a comeback.

 
'Smack Tripper said:
'Raider Nation said:
Okay, I hear what you're saying. I really do. Then I guess the main thing I would have a problem with is denying the guys who clearly were elite ball players before they started juicing. Bonds looked Ethiopian early in his career, and he was one of the best players in the game.

McGwire was a stick as a rookie, and he hit 49 HRs.

Should these guys be praised for "bulking up," even though there was no specific MLB rule against it? Of course not. But how much do we need to hurt them?
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Well, technically, they were banned substances by MLB since 1990:http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/22247395/

So there was a rule against, just not a means of testing until the horse was out of the barn.

Again, I've made the argument in the past, these were banned substances, illegal in the US and if it was such a minor advantage, why do these wonder drugs in the dark? Why not tell everyone what they can do?

How much have they been hurt if they don't go in the Hall of Fame? They already made their money, they already own the records, my personal belief is that their place in the Hall by definition takes the place of someone much more worthy. I'd honest to God put Maris in before Bonds, McGwire or Sosa.

They have taken everything from us as fans. They have taken our money, they have taken a big piece of the history of this game, which the numbers which are debated and treated as an evaluative baseline. And hell Raider, manny and Ortiz were on the gas when they took the 2004 ALCS. As a fan, I'm not interested in giving the last thing left to take and thats a hollow plaque in the Hall.

Let Balco build a juice hall and see who shows up.
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The commissioner can write any memos he wants. They just have no effect unless the union signs off on it, which it never did. And while the baselines for that era are skewed, the numbers just need to be put in context - which really isnt that hard.

As for the 200 ALCS - please. Every team had plenty of people on steroids in that era. Maybe the 89 As had an advantage over the rest of the league, but the 2004 Red Sox did not.

 
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