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Manziel under investigation by NCAA - Suspended 2 qtrs vs Rice (1 Viewer)

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MIAMI -- The NCAA is investigating whether Heisman Trophy winner Johnny Manziel was paid for signing hundreds of autographs on photos and sports memorabilia in January, "Outside the Lines" has learned. Two sources tell "Outside the Lines" that the Texas A&M quarterback agreed to sign memorabilia in exchange for a five-figure flat fee during his trip to Miami for the Discover BCS National Championship. Both sources said they witnessed the signing, though neither saw the actual exchange of money.

Three sources said Manziel signed photographs, footballs, mini football helmets and other items at the request of an autograph broker named Drew Tieman. Two sources, who are aware of the signing arrangement, told "Outside the Lines" that Tieman approached Manziel on Jan. 6, when he landed at Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport to attend the game between Alabama and Notre Dame the next day.

After that meeting, three sources said, Manziel, accompanied by his friend and personal assistant Nathan Fitch, visited Tieman's residence and signed hundreds of items in the main room of the apartment despite the fact that there were many people in the room. Before Manziel left South Florida, after taking in the title game, he signed hundreds of autographs more, one source said.

The source also told "Outside the Lines" that James Garland, the NCAA's assistant director of enforcement, in June contacted Tieman and at least one person associated with the signings. The source said Garland, who did not return calls from "Outside the Lines" for comment, told the person that he wanted to talk about Manziel signing items that had appeared for sale on eBay. An NCAA spokeswoman cited NCAA policy to "Outside the Lines" and declined to comment.


If the NCAA investigation finds that Manziel has violated NCAA Bylaw 12.5.2.1 -- accepting money for promoting or advertising the commercial sale of a product or service -- he could be ruled ineligible.

Attempts to reach Manziel were unsuccessful. Tieman did not return multiple calls and text messages. Fitch could not be reached.

In a statement, Jason Cook, Texas A&M's senior associate athletics director for external affairs, said "it is Texas A&M's longstanding practice not to respond to such questions concerning specific student-athletes."

Texas A&M declined further comment.

But A&M has responded to questions about Manziel and autographs before. On March 6, when ESPN.com contacted the school's compliance director, David Batson, to address a slew of Manziel-signed items that had flooded the memorabilia market, Batson provided a statement:

"Johnny has indicated on numerous occasions and, once again earlier today, that he has never (and to his knowledge, his parents, other relatives and friends have ever) been compensated through cash or other benefits or promises of deferred compensation for providing his autograph," Batson wrote.

While college athletes are frequently asked to sign autographs in public places, and those autographs often end up for sale on eBay, the amount of Manziel product that flooded the memorabilia market overall following the BCS title game was overwhelming, memorabilia dealers told "Outside the Lines."

While Manziel's father, Paul, had alleged that many of the items were fake, two of the leading autograph authentication companies, PSA/DNA and JSA, have authenticated many of the items. Officials with both companies have told ESPN in recent months that they stand by their guarantee that they believe the signatures, some with inscriptions like "Gig 'Em" and "Heisman '12" are genuine. Online verification databases show a single lot of 999 signed Manziel photos numbered sequentially. JSA authenticated 248 items and 376 items that came in in two batches that also are numbered sequentially. Industry insiders say this indicates the signings were done in large quantities intended for wholesale.

Calls and messages to Paul Manziel were not returned.

Even though Manziel is not allowed to generate income from his signature, the Manziel family has sought to protect Johnny's business affairs by starting a corporation, JMAN2 Enterprises, which in February filed for the trademark to use "Johnny Football" when he was ready to leave the college game.

The value of Manziel is clear in the memorabilia and appearance market: Independent merchandiser Aggieland Outfitters recently auctioned off six helmets signed by Manziel and Texas A&M's other Heisman Trophy winner, John David Crow, for $81,000. Texas A&M's booster organization, the 12th Man Foundation, sold a table for six, where Manziel and Crow will sit at the team's Kickoff Dinner later this month, for $20,000.

The school has committed to renovating Kyle Field, which will push seating capacity to 102,500 by the time it is completed in 2015. Texas A&M officials have said that donors, who make annual contributions of $80,000 to $100,000, have purchased all but two of the 144 suites in the stadium.

In the school's first year in the SEC last season, Manziel led the Aggies to an 11-2 season and a top-five finish for the first time since 1956. He and his teammates are scheduled to report Sunday afternoon for the 2013-14 season. He is scheduled to address the media Monday.

Manziel's offseason has drawn heavy media scrutiny. In the past few months, he has been spotted in the front row at NBA games, hanging out with rappers at bars, and has written various headline-starting tweets, including one in which he said he couldn't wait to leave College Station -- the home of Texas A&M. He was kicked out of the Manning Passing Academy last month for showing up late to meetings.

Paul Manziel recently told ESPN The Magazine that he doesn't like how the school hasn't protected the family from the NCAA and how he believes that school administrators put their motives above his son's well-being.

"It's starting to get under our skin," he said. "They're so selfish."

Manziel also acknowledged that he was concerned about his son's drinking and how he is dealing with celebrity.

"Yeah, it could all come unraveled," Johnny's father told The Magazine. "And when it does, it's gonna be bad. Real bad."

 
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####### moronic that NCAA has sold their souls to corporate America with their football bowls, but god ####### forbid a student athlete make money on his accomplishments.

Aren't they being sued over #### like this?

 
You are not eligible in any sport if, because of your athletics ability, you were
paid for work you did not perform, were paid at a rate higher than the going rate or were
paid for the value an employer placed on your reputation, fame or personal following.
[bylaw 12.4]
Seriously, #### the NCAA.

 
Ian Rapoport's tweet sums this up for me.

"Wait, Johnny Football is under investigation by the NCAA? That was fast. Dumb he can't make $$ off his signature. Dumber to ignore the rules"

The NCAA has dumb rules. Manziel's decision making is pretty dumb too.

 
This is pretty obviously legit. Kid is a #######.

a&m is screwed this year.

Too late for recruits to jump ship?

 
Travis Haney ‏@TravHaneyESPN 8m

According to OTL report, a source says Manziel might have received a five-figure fee in exchange for autographs

 
What if he accepts future payment? Signed the autographs to be paid at a later date (after college career).

 
I'm sure Manziel is shaking in his boots if NCAA suspends him for sophomore season he probably didn't want to come back for anyway.

At least he'd be most likely be ensured to be healthy for 2014 NFL draft.

And he could signl a boatload of autographs in the meantime.

 
####### moronic that NCAA has sold their souls to corporate America with their football bowls, but god ####### forbid a student athlete make money on his accomplishments.

Aren't they being sued over #### like this?
America has become the land of whores. NCAA doesnt want to share (as most corporations) with the people that work for it.

 
I'm sure Manziel is shaking in his boots if NCAA suspends him for sophomore season he probably didn't want to come back for anyway.

At least he'd be most likely be ensured to be healthy for 2014 NFL draft.

And he could signl a boatload of autographs in the meantime.
Of he doesn't play this year I don't see any way he gets drafted.

 
I'm not going to argue that the NCAA rules are not dumb, for the most part they are. But they are also pretty clear, and we can't say the students aren't being compensated at all - they are getting (in most cases, I assume so in this particular one) a free ride through college worth probably $40k-$50k in many cases, if not more.

I'm in favor of updating and adjusting some of the rules for the NCAA, but the students have to follow the rules they agreed to as well. Short-cutting the process is not the way to change the system.

 
The debate about the BS policies of the NCAA aside, this guy seems to be a flat out idiot. How many red flags does this kid need to add to his already nice selection of red flags? Wealthy family, not like he 'needs' the money. THIS close to a big payday... seriously.

 
I'm sure Manziel is shaking in his boots if NCAA suspends him for sophomore season he probably didn't want to come back for anyway.

At least he'd be most likely be ensured to be healthy for 2014 NFL draft.

And he could signl a boatload of autographs in the meantime.
Of he doesn't play this year I don't see any way he gets drafted.
His draft stock will be more a result of his height and his lack of judgment. Kid has trainwreck written all over him.

 
I'm not going to argue that the NCAA rules are not dumb, for the most part they are. But they are also pretty clear, and we can't say the students aren't being compensated at all - they are getting (in most cases, I assume so in this particular one) a free ride through college worth probably $40k-$50k in many cases, if not more.

I'm in favor of updating and adjusting some of the rules for the NCAA, but the students have to follow the rules they agreed to as well. Short-cutting the process is not the way to change the system.
It's one way. Think of it like drinking at a speakeasy during prohibition.

 
"Johnny has indicated on numerous occasions and, once again earlier today, that he has never (and to his knowledge, his parents, other relatives and friends have ever) been compensated through cash or other benefits or promises of deferred compensation for providing his autograph,"

The Cam Newton defense.

 
I'm sure Manziel is shaking in his boots if NCAA suspends him for sophomore season he probably didn't want to come back for anyway.

At least he'd be most likely be ensured to be healthy for 2014 NFL draft.

And he could signl a boatload of autographs in the meantime.
Of he doesn't play this year I don't see any way he gets drafted.
He might not get drafted as high as wanted but he would get drafted. If this story broke in April, and he was eligible for supplemental draft, you don't think some QB starved franchise would "gamble" on Manziel?

 
I'm sure Manziel is shaking in his boots if NCAA suspends him for sophomore season he probably didn't want to come back for anyway.

At least he'd be most likely be ensured to be healthy for 2014 NFL draft.

And he could signl a boatload of autographs in the meantime.
Of he doesn't play this year I don't see any way he gets drafted.
He might not get drafted as high as wanted but he would get drafted. If this story broke in April, and he was eligible for supplemental draft, you don't think some QB starved franchise would "gamble" on Manziel?
No.

 
I'm sure Manziel is shaking in his boots if NCAA suspends him for sophomore season he probably didn't want to come back for anyway.

At least he'd be most likely be ensured to be healthy for 2014 NFL draft.

And he could signl a boatload of autographs in the meantime.
Of he doesn't play this year I don't see any way he gets drafted.
He might not get drafted as high as wanted but he would get drafted. If this story broke in April, and he was eligible for supplemental draft, you don't think some QB starved franchise would "gamble" on Manziel?
No.
Not drafted. But maybe brought into camp for a look.
 
Mike Williams USC was drafted on the first day after sitting out a season, why wouldn't Johnny Football be drafted at all?

 
The espn article about him recently showed that he's unbelievably childish and immature. He was born into a wealthy family and handed everything. His parents do him no favors and his dad is obviously a #####.

 
The espn article about him recently showed that he's unbelievably childish and immature. He was born into a wealthy family and handed everything. His parents do him no favors and his dad is obviously a #####.
To be fair you don't become one of the best college football players by having everything handed to you. You still have to work pretty damn hard.

 
I'm sure Manziel is shaking in his boots if NCAA suspends him for sophomore season he probably didn't want to come back for anyway.

At least he'd be most likely be ensured to be healthy for 2014 NFL draft.

And he could signl a boatload of autographs in the meantime.
Of he doesn't play this year I don't see any way he gets drafted.
He might not get drafted as high as wanted but he would get drafted. If this story broke in April, and he was eligible for supplemental draft, you don't think some QB starved franchise would "gamble" on Manziel?
No.
Agreed. Mike Williams sat out because of a weird situation. Manziel just seems to be a drunken idiot that thinks rules and laws don't apply to him. No coach wants that. Especially since his NFL skills seem borderline at best.

 
The debate about the BS policies of the NCAA aside, this guy seems to be a flat out idiot. How many red flags does this kid need to add to his already nice selection of red flags? Wealthy family, not like he 'needs' the money. THIS close to a big payday... seriously.
This.

 
Mike Williams USC was drafted on the first day after sitting out a season, why wouldn't Johnny Football be drafted at all?
Williams was a 6'5 receiver with a highlight reel of him running the entire route tree and destroying whatever the defense tried. Manziel is a 6'1 quarterback who has yet to demonstrate pocket presence. I think even if he plays he's a stretch to be selected in the first three rounds.

 
Is it possible to sign several hundred memorabilia items for a dealer/broker and NOT get paid?
Speaking as someone who used to be in that business, no, obviously. Unless you're Johnny Damon and when he was a Wichita Wrangler he asked only to be paid in beer. His response was "After the game as long as you have beer I have time to sign. It's Jackson, Mississippi, what else am I gonna do?"

As I stated in the other thread this happens every year. It's always in cash and shouldn't be traceable. They just had too many people in that room. I can vouch for it happening during Mark Ingram's and Cam Newton's Heisman campaigns. Same guy in both instances set it up.

 
I'm sure Manziel is shaking in his boots if NCAA suspends him for sophomore season he probably didn't want to come back for anyway.

At least he'd be most likely be ensured to be healthy for 2014 NFL draft.

And he could signl a boatload of autographs in the meantime.
Of he doesn't play this year I don't see any way he gets drafted.
He might not get drafted as high as wanted but he would get drafted. If this story broke in April, and he was eligible for supplemental draft, you don't think some QB starved franchise would "gamble" on Manziel?
No.
Manziel just seems to be a drunken idiot that thinks rules and laws don't apply to him. No coach wants that. Especially since his NFL skills seem borderline at best.
This. He seems like a miniature Ryan Leaf. No way he's an NFL player. He's a mental midget.

 
I'm sure Manziel is shaking in his boots if NCAA suspends him for sophomore season he probably didn't want to come back for anyway.

At least he'd be most likely be ensured to be healthy for 2014 NFL draft.

And he could signl a boatload of autographs in the meantime.
Of he doesn't play this year I don't see any way he gets drafted.
He might not get drafted as high as wanted but he would get drafted. If this story broke in April, and he was eligible for supplemental draft, you don't think some QB starved franchise would "gamble" on Manziel?
No.
I guess the article I read that quoted nfl GM's was incorrect.

 
I'm sure Manziel is shaking in his boots if NCAA suspends him for sophomore season he probably didn't want to come back for anyway.

At least he'd be most likely be ensured to be healthy for 2014 NFL draft.

And he could signl a boatload of autographs in the meantime.
Of he doesn't play this year I don't see any way he gets drafted.
He might not get drafted as high as wanted but he would get drafted. If this story broke in April, and he was eligible for supplemental draft, you don't think some QB starved franchise would "gamble" on Manziel?
No.
I guess the article I read that quoted nfl GM's was incorrect.
Which article was that? The most recent one I saw had named scouts and devices saying he was really not ready for the nfl.

 
How are these guys supposed to pretend they aren't famous? So under the rules, if Clowney was a McDonald's cashier, and the manager paid him more than all other cashiers because when he worked the lines/sales were insanely profitable, that'd be an NCAA violation.

 
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How are these guys supposed to pretend they aren't famous? So under the rules, if Clowney was a McDonald's cashier, and the manager paid him more than all other cashiers because when he worked the lines/sales were insanely profitable, that'd be an NCAA violation.
Are you suggesting that Manziel isn't re tar ded?

 
Is it possible to sign several hundred memorabilia items for a dealer/broker and NOT get paid?
Speaking as someone who used to be in that business, no, obviously. Unless you're Johnny Damon and when he was a Wichita Wrangler he asked only to be paid in beer. His response was "After the game as long as you have beer I have time to sign. It's Jackson, Mississippi, what else am I gonna do?"

As I stated in the other thread this happens every year. It's always in cash and shouldn't be traceable. They just had too many people in that room. I can vouch for it happening during Mark Ingram's and Cam Newton's Heisman campaigns. Same guy in both instances set it up.
Is this true? Is it some rumor you heard, unsubstantiated, or is it more than that? If it's true and it's out there, why didn't ESPN or SI or some other source report it?

 
I'm sure Manziel is shaking in his boots if NCAA suspends him for sophomore season he probably didn't want to come back for anyway.

At least he'd be most likely be ensured to be healthy for 2014 NFL draft.

And he could signl a boatload of autographs in the meantime.
Of he doesn't play this year I don't see any way he gets drafted.
Sorry man. I respect you as a poster and we tend to be on the same side of many issues, but this is laughable. If he opened a A&M clothing franchise on campus with video footage shot by ESPN of Johnny selling his signature for $50 a pop he still wouldn't make it past round 3.

The damage may be done as far as going #1 overall and possibly in the first round mainly because of the level of investment. But you want to try and make the case that the only Freshman Heisman in history is going to get passed over by a punter from State U in the 6th round with the NFL being the QB league that it is? No way not a chance in hell.

 

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