Manziel under investigation by NCAA - Suspended 2 qtrs vs Rice (2 Viewers)

[Mark Davis]

Is it possible to sign several hundred memorabilia items for a dealer/broker and NOT get paid?

Speaking as someone who used to be in that business, no, obviously. Unless you're Johnny Damon and when he was a Wichita Wrangler he asked only to be paid in beer. His response was "After the game as long as you have beer I have time to sign. It's Jackson, Mississippi, what else am I gonna do?"

As I stated in the other thread this happens every year. It's always in cash and shouldn't be traceable. They just had too many people in that room. I can vouch for it happening during Mark Ingram's and Cam Newton's Heisman campaigns. Same guy in both instances set it up.

Is this true? Is it some rumor you heard, unsubstantiated, or is it more than that? If it's true and it's out there, why didn't ESPN or SI or some other source report it?

No I know the guy, used to travel to ball games with him. He and I used to work the hotels where pro teams were staying to get memorabilia signed. It's all cash, you can't prove it. The guy has showed me what he got. He has it stuffed in a closet, what's left of it. He trickled the jerseys, helmets, and 8x10s on ebay over the time those guys were most popular. It's not like he listed 30 at once. So no I wasn't there but he told me it happened, I saw the merchandise, and I'm experienced enough in the business of that stuff that I knew it was real. He and I used to work deals with minor league baseball players all the time. I never fooled with college football but he always has. It's not that shocking nor in my opinion that big of a deal.

I also don't really understand the significance about it being "out there". Look on ebay at any time for a big time college athlete and you'll see signed items. Most are gathered by people in that business. Occasionally yeah they may get one thing signed getting off the team bus but if the signature looks good, odds are the guy was sitting at a table to sign it. Think about it, it looks too good to be scribbled while walking in a crowd yet it's real. Where would these guys be signing that stuff?

Again, not a big deal. That money is pocket change. Check the vehicles the guys drive and look into their backgrounds.

 

[T Bell]

I'm sure Manziel is shaking in his boots if NCAA suspends him for sophomore season he probably didn't want to come back for anyway.

At least he'd be most likely be ensured to be healthy for 2014 NFL draft.

And he could signl a boatload of autographs in the meantime.

Of he doesn't play this year I don't see any way he gets drafted.

Sorry man. I respect you as a poster and we tend to be on the same side of many issues, but this is laughable. If he opened a A&M clothing franchise on campus with video footage shot by ESPN of Johnny selling his signature for $50 a pop he still wouldn't make it past round 3.

The damage may be done as far as going #1 overall and possibly in the first round mainly because of the level of investment. But you want to try and make the case that the only Freshman Heisman in history is going to get passed over by a punter from State U in the 6th round with the NFL being the QB league that it is? No way not a chance in hell.

First string punters have a far bigger impact on games than third string QB's/PR's.

 

[bentley]

Such a stupid rule. Nice to know that anyone can make money off an NFL athlete except the athlete.

Agree that Manziel is acting like a moron but no worse of a moron than any other freshman Heisman winner.

 

[T Bell]

Is it possible to sign several hundred memorabilia items for a dealer/broker and NOT get paid?

Speaking as someone who used to be in that business, no, obviously. Unless you're Johnny Damon and when he was a Wichita Wrangler he asked only to be paid in beer. His response was "After the game as long as you have beer I have time to sign. It's Jackson, Mississippi, what else am I gonna do?"

As I stated in the other thread this happens every year. It's always in cash and shouldn't be traceable. They just had too many people in that room. I can vouch for it happening during Mark Ingram's and Cam Newton's Heisman campaigns. Same guy in both instances set it up.

Is this true? Is it some rumor you heard, unsubstantiated, or is it more than that? If it's true and it's out there, why didn't ESPN or SI or some other source report it?

No I know the guy, used to travel to ball games with him. He and I used to work the hotels where pro teams were staying to get memorabilia signed. It's all cash, you can't prove it. The guy has showed me what he got. He has it stuffed in a closet, what's left of it. He trickled the jerseys, helmets, and 8x10s on ebay over the time those guys were most popular. It's not like he listed 30 at once. So no I wasn't there but he told me it happened, I saw the merchandise, and I'm experienced enough in the business of that stuff that I knew it was real. He and I used to work deals with minor league baseball players all the time. I never fooled with college football but he always has. It's not that shocking nor in my opinion that big of a deal.

I also don't really understand the significance about it being "out there". Look on ebay at any time for a big time college athlete and you'll see signed items. Most are gathered by people in that business. Occasionally yeah they may get one thing signed getting off the team bus but if the signature looks good, odds are the guy was sitting at a table to sign it. Think about it, it looks too good to be scribbled while walking in a crowd yet it's real. Where would these guys be signing that stuff?

Again, not a big deal. That money is pocket change. Check the vehicles the guys drive and look into their backgrounds.

You lie!

 

[The Ref]

I'm sure Manziel is shaking in his boots if NCAA suspends him for sophomore season he probably didn't want to come back for anyway.

At least he'd be most likely be ensured to be healthy for 2014 NFL draft.

And he could signl a boatload of autographs in the meantime.

Of he doesn't play this year I don't see any way he gets drafted.

Sorry man. I respect you as a poster and we tend to be on the same side of many issues, but this is laughable. If he opened a A&M clothing franchise on campus with video footage shot by ESPN of Johnny selling his signature for $50 a pop he still wouldn't make it past round 3.

The damage may be done as far as going #1 overall and possibly in the first round mainly because of the level of investment. But you want to try and make the case that the only Freshman Heisman in history is going to get passed over by a punter from State U in the 6th round with the NFL being the QB league that it is? No way not a chance in hell.

First string punters have a far bigger impact on games than third string QB's/PR's.

They sure do as would any player that touches the field vs another that does not. Of course this has nothing to do where the Manchise would be drafted.

Eventually some GM is going to realize its the fourth round and Weeden/Flynn/Palmer/Ponder/Foles/Gabbert/et al is your starting QB, and Manziel is available.

 

[kevzilla]

I'm not sure Manziel didn't plan this. We already know, via his Twitter account, that he couldn't wait to get out of College Station. If he felt that way in January, why not sign some stuff? If he doesn't get caught, it's extra pocket change. If he does, it's an early out from TAMU. Win-win.

 

[timschochet]

Is it possible to sign several hundred memorabilia items for a dealer/broker and NOT get paid?

Speaking as someone who used to be in that business, no, obviously. Unless you're Johnny Damon and when he was a Wichita Wrangler he asked only to be paid in beer. His response was "After the game as long as you have beer I have time to sign. It's Jackson, Mississippi, what else am I gonna do?"

As I stated in the other thread this happens every year. It's always in cash and shouldn't be traceable. They just had too many people in that room. I can vouch for it happening during Mark Ingram's and Cam Newton's Heisman campaigns. Same guy in both instances set it up.

Is this true? Is it some rumor you heard, unsubstantiated, or is it more than that? If it's true and it's out there, why didn't ESPN or SI or some other source report it?

No I know the guy, used to travel to ball games with him. He and I used to work the hotels where pro teams were staying to get memorabilia signed. It's all cash, you can't prove it. The guy has showed me what he got. He has it stuffed in a closet, what's left of it. He trickled the jerseys, helmets, and 8x10s on ebay over the time those guys were most popular. It's not like he listed 30 at once. So no I wasn't there but he told me it happened, I saw the merchandise, and I'm experienced enough in the business of that stuff that I knew it was real. He and I used to work deals with minor league baseball players all the time. I never fooled with college football but he always has. It's not that shocking nor in my opinion that big of a deal.

I also don't really understand the significance about it being "out there". Look on ebay at any time for a big time college athlete and you'll see signed items. Most are gathered by people in that business. Occasionally yeah they may get one thing signed getting off the team bus but if the signature looks good, odds are the guy was sitting at a table to sign it. Think about it, it looks too good to be scribbled while walking in a crowd yet it's real. Where would these guys be signing that stuff?

Again, not a big deal. That money is pocket change. Check the vehicles the guys drive and look into their backgrounds.

I believe you. But so long as your narrative here remains on an internet discussion board, and not reported in the major sports news sources, nobody's going to credit it. That's what I meant when I wrote that if it's out there, it ought to be reported. Because if the ESPN reports about this current story were accompanied by a statement that it happens all the time, it would certainly change the tenor of how people are reacting.

That being said, it's still a violation of the rules. I guess if you're dumb enough to get caught, you ought to be punished.

 

[timschochet]

Very disappointed. I'm no huge fan of Johnny Football (to be honest, I think Marcus Mariota and Brett Hundley, who are also redshirt sophomores, are both better prospects for the NFL and just as exciting), but I was really looking forward to his upcoming game against Alabama. Hate to see him suspended, if it happens. Though I suppose he deserves it.

 

[Mark Davis]

Is it possible to sign several hundred memorabilia items for a dealer/broker and NOT get paid?

Speaking as someone who used to be in that business, no, obviously. Unless you're Johnny Damon and when he was a Wichita Wrangler he asked only to be paid in beer. His response was "After the game as long as you have beer I have time to sign. It's Jackson, Mississippi, what else am I gonna do?"

As I stated in the other thread this happens every year. It's always in cash and shouldn't be traceable. They just had too many people in that room. I can vouch for it happening during Mark Ingram's and Cam Newton's Heisman campaigns. Same guy in both instances set it up.

Is this true? Is it some rumor you heard, unsubstantiated, or is it more than that? If it's true and it's out there, why didn't ESPN or SI or some other source report it?

No I know the guy, used to travel to ball games with him. He and I used to work the hotels where pro teams were staying to get memorabilia signed. It's all cash, you can't prove it. The guy has showed me what he got. He has it stuffed in a closet, what's left of it. He trickled the jerseys, helmets, and 8x10s on ebay over the time those guys were most popular. It's not like he listed 30 at once. So no I wasn't there but he told me it happened, I saw the merchandise, and I'm experienced enough in the business of that stuff that I knew it was real. He and I used to work deals with minor league baseball players all the time. I never fooled with college football but he always has. It's not that shocking nor in my opinion that big of a deal.

I also don't really understand the significance about it being "out there". Look on ebay at any time for a big time college athlete and you'll see signed items. Most are gathered by people in that business. Occasionally yeah they may get one thing signed getting off the team bus but if the signature looks good, odds are the guy was sitting at a table to sign it. Think about it, it looks too good to be scribbled while walking in a crowd yet it's real. Where would these guys be signing that stuff?

Again, not a big deal. That money is pocket change. Check the vehicles the guys drive and look into their backgrounds.

I believe you. But so long as your narrative here remains on an internet discussion board, and not reported in the major sports news sources, nobody's going to credit it. That's what I meant when I wrote that if it's out there, it ought to be reported. Because if the ESPN reports about this current story were accompanied by a statement that it happens all the time, it would certainly change the tenor of how people are reacting.

That being said, it's still a violation of the rules. I guess if you're dumb enough to get caught, you ought to be punished.

You're missing the point. I don't want it credited and would deny it if asked in person by someone investigating. I'm not trying to be Mike Wallace here. I have nothing to gain and no interest in that. My only point is this is foolish to make a big deal over. It happens everywhere. But if you really want to go after "improper" benefits, don't look at the penny-ante autograph business. If the tenor is truly that negative then people are either foolishly naive toward college athletics or they choose to bury their head in the sand when it comes to their favorite team and think that only their rivals do it.

 

[Abraham]

The heisman trophy is not historically a barometer of evaluation. Sure, college footballs best player often has great pedigree for becoming a pro, but the two aren't mutually inclusive. Eric crouch, Jason white, Charlie ward...there have been more than a few heisman winners that didnt sniff being pro prospects for one reason or another. I'm not saying Jff won't turn in to a decent or even great prospect but he doesn't have any singular quality or quantity that merits first round consideration. And the offseason stuff is showing such poor judgment that its hard to imagine him panning out at the moment. Some might say "why wouldn't some one take a chance on him!" But i think it's much more likely that someone would take a chance on a 6'4 qb with a rocket arm and a reputation as a straight laced film nerd.

 

[Mark Davis]

Let me add to my earlier comments that it seems this dealer got some of this stuff authenticated. If he did that on a large scale that's pretty stupid. Again, it's not the smoking gun of a traceable payment, but if he's that stupid I guess you never know.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

He signed at least 1,600 items which were documented and authenticated.

Yeah, he's finished. And stupid.

Such a friggin idjit.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I don't think it's that likely he'd be drafted in the first 3 rounds if his college career was over. Lots of people think he's not a great pro prospect. Heisman didn't help out Tim Tebow in the pros and he played all 4 years.

 

[sporthenry]

The value of Manziel is clear in the memorabilia and appearance market: Independent merchandiser Aggieland Outfitters recently auctioned off six helmets signed by Manziel and Texas A&M's other Heisman Trophy winner, John David Crow, for $81,000. Texas A&M's booster organization, the 12th Man Foundation, sold a table for six, where Manziel and Crow will sit at the team's Kickoff Dinner later this month, for $20,000.

This part bothers me the most. I know NCAA and the schools make money off the players. But to make money off the players for the exact same thing that the players aren't allowed to do is ridiculous. So if someone says they'll pay me 10K to have dinner with them, I can't do it. But if the school does it in the name of fundraising, everything is fine.

 

[gump]

I'm not sure Manziel didn't plan this. We already know, via his Twitter account, that he couldn't wait to get out of College Station. If he felt that way in January, why not sign some stuff? If he doesn't get caught, it's extra pocket change. If he does, it's an early out from TAMU. Win-win.

I'm not sure either. His dad said something about buying him a car because he was afraid Johnny would figure out a way to get one if his dad didn't. Johnny is resourceful and seemingly could care less about consequences. Problem is its not whats best for his career obviously.

 

[gump]

Alabama line jumped to -9.5 over the weekend and is now off the board.

Oh thank goodness. I was sure worried that your cheaters might be frozen out of a trophy by other cheaters!

Point is that someone knew something was up, as the line jumped 3 pts quickly before Vegas was ale to pull it.

 

[roadkill1292]

The value of Manziel is clear in the memorabilia and appearance market: Independent merchandiser Aggieland Outfitters recently auctioned off six helmets signed by Manziel and Texas A&M's other Heisman Trophy winner, John David Crow, for $81,000. Texas A&M's booster organization, the 12th Man Foundation, sold a table for six, where Manziel and Crow will sit at the team's Kickoff Dinner later this month, for $20,000.

This part bothers me the most. I know NCAA and the schools make money off the players. But to make money off the players for the exact same thing that the players aren't allowed to do is ridiculous. So if someone says they'll pay me 10K to have dinner with them, I can't do it. But if the school does it in the name of fundraising, everything is fine.

Sometimes I think this is more about controlling the boosters than the players. Right now boosters have to funnel the big bucks through the schools (seen pics of Oregon's new locker room, courtesy of Phil Knight?) and have to keep the hundred dollar handshakes on the down low. Once boosters are allowed to spend money freely and directly on players, the colleges will see donations shift away from them directly. Maintaining control over the players once they've achieved a greater financial independence will also be much more difficult. None of which is a valid argument for denying the players the right to profit on their talents.

 

[metoo]

I don't think it's that likely he'd be drafted in the first 3 rounds if his college career was over. Lots of people think he's not a great pro prospect. Heisman didn't help out Tim Tebow in the pros and he played all 4 years.

If he doesn't get into anymore trouble he will go in the first 3 rounds, The NFL draft is 8/9 months from now and if he performs well at the combine and in team interviews some team will draft him in the first 3 rounds.

 

[gump]

TAMU has some serious decisions to make, and supposedly has hired the law firm that worked with Auburn and some others in big NCAA issues.

Does the NCAA punish them harder if they fight and let him play, thinking it makes or breaks the season? USC fought.

Or do they suspend while the investigation is ongoing hoping the NCAA punishes them less? OSU cooperated.

 

[Brady Marino]

I don't think it's that likely he'd be drafted in the first 3 rounds if his college career was over. Lots of people think he's not a great pro prospect. Heisman didn't help out Tim Tebow in the pros and he played all 4 years.

Didn't help Danny Wuerfell, Andre Ware, or Eric Crouch, either.

 

[B-Deep]

Listen, i think the NCAA sucks as much as anyone

but for now the rules are the rules, and this guy is an idiot

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

It's unfortunate to see one of the new additions bring this kind of scandal and shame to the SEC

 

[cstu]

The espn article about him recently showed that he's unbelievably childish and immature. He was born into a wealthy family and handed everything. His parents do him no favors and his dad is obviously a #####.

So Manziel is J.D. from Friday Night Lights?

 

[Mark Davis]

TAMU has some serious decisions to make, and supposedly has hired the law firm that worked with Auburn and some others in big NCAA issues.

Does the NCAA punish them harder if they fight and let him play, thinking it makes or breaks the season? USC fought.

Or do they suspend while the investigation is ongoing hoping the NCAA punishes them less? OSU cooperated.

Unless they know there is a money trail then I'd expect them to fight it. Even if someone has cell phone video of him signing the items, that is not a violation. They either have to have pictures of a money exchange or some money trail. Originally I said I'd be shocked if the dealer was so stupid. Then I saw he had a lot of it authenticated so there is evidence already he isn't too bright.

 

[Apple Jack]

This guy sounds like a peach.

 

[FDAS]

Listen, i think the NCAA sucks as much as anyone

but for now the rules are the rules, and this guy is an idiot

This. It's idiotic that Manziel can't make money off his autograph. It's laughable that the NCAA punishes anyone that makes money, if the NCAA doesn't get a portion.

 

[Koya]

Listen, i think the NCAA sucks as much as anyone

but for now the rules are the rules, and this guy is an idiot

This. It's idiotic that Manziel can't make money off his autograph. It's laughable that the NCAA punishes anyone that makes money, if the NCAA doesn't get a portion.

No one is arguing that. But it's getting harder and harder to argue against the other point as well. He's an idiot, or certainly seems to be running down that path.

 

[culdeus]

He's a moron and probably has played his last NCAA game. Nobody signs 1000s of autographs for a broker without getting paid.

 

[Abraham]

I don't think it's that likely he'd be drafted in the first 3 rounds if his college career was over. Lots of people think he's not a great pro prospect. Heisman didn't help out Tim Tebow in the pros and he played all 4 years.

Didn't help Danny Wuerfell, Andre Ware, or Eric Crouch, either.

Andre ware was a top 10 pick iirc. Jason white was not helped though.

 

[JuniorNB]

Listen, i think the NCAA sucks as much as anyone

but for now the rules are the rules, and this guy is an idiot

This. It's idiotic that Manziel can't make money off his autograph. It's laughable that the NCAA punishes anyone that makes money, if the NCAA doesn't get a portion.

No one is arguing that. But it's getting harder and harder to argue against the other point as well. He's an idiot, or certainly seems to be running down that path.

This.

Why is everyone blaming the NCAA here? It's like a guy getting a DUI and then arguing that the law should allow for a higher blood alcohol percentage. This rule was no secret. Manziel tried to get away with something he knew was illegal and got caught. Add that to the string of other things he's done since winning his Heisman, and it's obvious that he's an idiot.

 

[Mark Davis]

At this point if I'm Manziel I just deny and play as long as I know I was paid in cash. If he got cash the only way he gets busted in this is someone having video of that changing hands.

 

[cstu]

I don't think it's that likely he'd be drafted in the first 3 rounds if his college career was over. Lots of people think he's not a great pro prospect. Heisman didn't help out Tim Tebow in the pros and he played all 4 years.

Didn't help Danny Wuerfell, Andre Ware, or Eric Crouch, either.

They still got drafted in the 4th round or high and Ware was the #7 overall pick. No matter what Manziel is going to make some money in the NFL.

 

[Joe T]

The heisman trophy is not historically a barometer of evaluation. Sure, college footballs best player often has great pedigree for becoming a pro, but the two aren't mutually inclusive. Eric crouch, Jason white, Charlie ward...there have been more than a few heisman winners that didnt sniff being pro prospects for one reason or another. I'm not saying Jff won't turn in to a decent or even great prospect but he doesn't have any singular quality or quantity that merits first round consideration. And the offseason stuff is showing such poor judgment that its hard to imagine him panning out at the moment. Some might say "why wouldn't some one take a chance on him!" But i think it's much more likely that someone would take a chance on a 6'4 qb with a rocket arm and a reputation as a straight laced film nerd.

This is very different than saying he won't get drafted at all. Here's the article I saw quoting several NFL GM's saying they would draft him:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/mike-freeman/22451336/nfl-opinion-on-johnny-manziel-varies-greatly

One general manager said Manziel, the first freshman to win the Heisman, will be better than the current crop of young athletic quarterbacks. He will rival or be better than Robert Griffin III or Andrew Luck or Russell Wilson. This, to me, sounds patently insane. But this general manager was not alone.

Another said almost the same thing. "He could end up being a more accurate passer than any of those three," said the GM.

 

[Joe T]

Anyone take the under on A&M's 10 1/2 win total this year?

 

[B-Deep]

Listen, i think the NCAA sucks as much as anyone

but for now the rules are the rules, and this guy is an idiot

This. It's idiotic that Manziel can't make money off his autograph. It's laughable that the NCAA punishes anyone that makes money, if the NCAA doesn't get a portion.

No one is arguing that. But it's getting harder and harder to argue against the other point as well. He's an idiot, or certainly seems to be running down that path.

correct

 

[cstu]

He signed at least 1,600 items which were documented and authenticated.

Yeah, he's finished. And stupid.

Star players should get together and start their own autograph company and sell them. Good luck suspending all the top talent in college football.

 

[B-Deep]

He signed at least 1,600 items which were documented and authenticated.

Yeah, he's finished. And stupid.

Star players should get together and start their own autograph company and sell them. Good luck suspending all the top talent in college football.

good luck getting all the star players to agree to this

 

[Yankee23Fan]

The NCAA needs to be imploded. I'm in favor of breaking all of their rules at this point until they do implode under the weight of not being able to keep up with trying to enforce them.

 

[Joe Summer]

At this point if I'm Manziel I just deny and play as long as I know I was paid in cash. If he got cash the only way he gets busted in this is someone having video of that changing hands.

He can deny that he got paid, but he probably won't be able to deny that he signed hundreds of autographs for a professional autograph broker.If that's the case, then I suppose the question will become "Is it against the NCAA rules to supply free autographs to an autograph broker".

Is it?

 

[rodg12]

At this point if I'm Manziel I just deny and play as long as I know I was paid in cash. If he got cash the only way he gets busted in this is someone having video of that changing hands.

He can deny that he got paid, but he probably won't be able to deny that he signed hundreds of autographs for a professional autograph broker.If that's the case, then I suppose the question will become "Is it against the NCAA rules to supply free autographs to an autograph broker".

Is it?

How would that be against the rules?

Although, this is the NCAA. So, I guess it's possible.

 

[gump]

I don't think it's that likely he'd be drafted in the first 3 rounds if his college career was over. Lots of people think he's not a great pro prospect. Heisman didn't help out Tim Tebow in the pros and he played all 4 years.

Didn't help Danny Wuerfell, Andre Ware, or Eric Crouch, either.

They still got drafted in the 4th round or high and Ware was the #7 overall pick. No matter what Manziel is going to make some money in the NFL.

I don't think a lot of people watched Manziel play in the latter part of the year. He's closer to the ceiling of Newton than the floor of Crouch.

 

[Tom Skerritt]

If some hot shot science/engineering student discovers some miraculous cure for cancer or some tecnological design in class, you can be damn sure that the university is going to take full credit and profits. This is not to say that the student will not make a name for him/herself and eventual job offers, but I doubt that they see immediate $$ fruits from their labor. Kinda of the same thing as college athletes, no?

 

[shake zula]

Looking at this situation in a vacuum, I have not heard one legitimate argument against players getting paid for their autographs.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Looking at this situation in a vacuum, I have not heard one legitimate argument against players getting paid for their autographs.

Because there isn't one. Or being able to sell their own belongings, or have a mentor in the profession they aspire to take them to lunch. Or anything that the NCAA makes illegal. It's all a joke. It needs to come crashing down. The EA sports stuff is the first hit to the bow. Maybe Johnny can be the second.

 

[T Bell]

If some hot shot science/engineering student discovers some miraculous cure for cancer or some tecnological design in class, you can be damn sure that the university is going to take full credit and profits. This is not to say that the student will not make a name for him/herself and eventual job offers, but I doubt that they see immediate $$ fruits from their labor. Kinda of the same thing as college athletes, no?

I'm not aware of any obligation that said "hot shot science/engineering student" would have to sign over the profits from such a discovery to the university unless he or she signed an agreement to that effect, such as might happen if they were working in a university research program relating to that subject matter. That seems quite different from "autographs" in any event.

In other words, it's a silly analogy.

 

[cstu]

If some hot shot science/engineering student discovers some miraculous cure for cancer or some tecnological design in class, you can be damn sure that the university is going to take full credit and profits. This is not to say that the student will not make a name for him/herself and eventual job offers, but I doubt that they see immediate $$ fruits from their labor. Kinda of the same thing as college athletes, no?

Yes, and that would be similar to the NCAA owning the rights to film of the game. However, the university doesn't have a right to control the hot shot student scientist's life outside of what he/she discovers.

 

[T Bell]

Looking at this situation in a vacuum, I have not heard one legitimate argument against players getting paid for their autographs.

Because there isn't one. Or being able to sell their own belongings, or have a mentor in the profession they aspire to take them to lunch. Or anything that the NCAA makes illegal. It's all a joke. It needs to come crashing down. The EA sports stuff is the first hit to the bow. Maybe Johnny can be the second.

Where are the guerilla journalists stalking these highly paid NCAA executives to their large mansions, etc., all paid for by the wealth that the athletes generate?

 

[Tom Skerritt]

If some hot shot science/engineering student discovers some miraculous cure for cancer or some tecnological design in class, you can be damn sure that the university is going to take full credit and profits. This is not to say that the student will not make a name for him/herself and eventual job offers, but I doubt that they see immediate $$ fruits from their labor. Kinda of the same thing as college athletes, no?

Yes, and that would be similar to the NCAA owning the rights to film of the game. However, the university doesn't have a right to control the hot shot student scientist's life outside of what he/she discovers.

Obviously if the kid did all of this outside of university grounds, but that is not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about someone using university resources, facilities, etc. Any development becomes property of the university, right?

 

[B-Deep]

The NCAA needs to be imploded. I'm in favor of breaking all of their rules at this point until they do implode under the weight of not being able to keep up with trying to enforce them.

thats bull####

because people like manzell can break the rules and people who are in a MAC school struggling to stay on the team have too much to lose

change the rules, fine

but breaking them is nothing other than cheating till they are changed

 

[T Bell]

If some hot shot science/engineering student discovers some miraculous cure for cancer or some tecnological design in class, you can be damn sure that the university is going to take full credit and profits. This is not to say that the student will not make a name for him/herself and eventual job offers, but I doubt that they see immediate $$ fruits from their labor. Kinda of the same thing as college athletes, no?

Yes, and that would be similar to the NCAA owning the rights to film of the game. However, the university doesn't have a right to control the hot shot student scientist's life outside of what he/she discovers.

Obviously if the kid did all of this outside of university grounds, but that is not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about someone using university resources, facilities, etc. Any development becomes property of the university, right?

No, not unless something else has occurred. It's not automatic.