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Marc Bulger on Cardinals wishlist (1 Viewer)

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This is being reported on Mike Jurecki's twitter.

It's a shame they didn't make this move this past offseason. I think they'll probably draft a QB early, pickup someone like Bulger, and probably give Skelton another shot as a #2. Obviously, Hall and DA will be gonzo.

 
I think Bulger is being over rated a little. There is a reason why he is gone from St Louis and didnt get a shot to start anywhere last year.

He is getting older and is brittle. Although the receivers in Az are intriguing for any decent QB.

I really like Skelton. I think he has a lot of potential. Bulger may be a decent stop gap but I wouldn't get too carried away.

Doubt seriously that Bulger would have had this team as the #2 seed.

 
Texasmouth said:
I think Bulger is being over rated a little. There is a reason why he is gone from St Louis and didnt get a shot to start anywhere last year. He is getting older and is brittle. Although the receivers in Az are intriguing for any decent QB. I really like Skelton. I think he has a lot of potential. Bulger may be a decent stop gap but I wouldn't get too carried away. Doubt seriously that Bulger would have had this team as the #2 seed.
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:thumbup: They wouldn't even be #2 in the NFC Worst. Taking a former Ram probowler who's shellshocked into oblivion and turning him back into a probowler is lightning. It won't strike twice in the same place. Sounds like a desperation move to me that won't solve anything. At best he could be a mentor to a young QB. But thinking he'd even be effective much less playoff caliber behind that line?
 
comical thread . . .

did anyone besides the last poster watch Bugler his last year in STL ??

painful TV viewing . . .

 
azgroover said:
This is being reported on Mike Jurecki's twitter.It's a shame they didn't make this move this past offseason. I think they'll probably draft a QB early, pickup someone like Bulger, and probably give Skelton another shot as a #2. Obviously, Hall and DA will be gonzo.
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There were rumors of this floating around at the end of last off-season, shortly after he signed a one-year with Baltimore.I dont think its entirely far-fetched.
 
I know his college roommate and they stay in touch sporadically. Bulger's perfectly content as a back-up, he was scared silly playing in St.Louis.

 
I don't get the connection. Kurt Warner was awesome there because he is Kurt Warner. If I remember correctly, Bulger never lived up to Warner's work in St. Louis. What makes anybody think Bulger could turn the Cardinals around if he couldn't keep a better team in contention? The guy would get killed as a Cardinal and all that work they put in with him in the offseason would be for naught.

Riddle me this: if Whisenhunt doesn't hesitate to throw a rookie in to play why is he going to hesitate to throw a second year player in to play? Trying to turn a rickety old Bulger into a savior will just set them back.

Give me Max Hall and Skelton to compete and spend a high pick to replenish defensive talent.

 
I do believe they may very well go get a veteran QB as a stop-gap, but not sure it'll be Bulger. They won't take a QB high in the draft because of Skelton. This kid is their future. He's raw, but has monster potential. Very few QBs have his God-given tools.

 
Football Jones said:
I do believe they may very well go get a veteran QB as a stop-gap, but not sure it'll be Bulger. They won't take a QB high in the draft because of Skelton. This kid is their future. He's raw, but has monster potential. Very few QBs have his God-given tools.
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azgroover said:
TheWheel said:
Give me Max Hall and Skelton to compete and spend a high pick to replenish defensive talent.
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I'd bet on Hall not even making the team next year.
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Really? Did he not beat out Skelton in mini-camps and preseason? I understand he may not be "the man", but how do you cut a guy who would be a QB3, whom I believe was undrafted and has a favorable salary/cap number? I am not close to the situation (so honestly, I don't know), but it seems like simple economics...he didn't light it up when he played, but who on earth trots out an undrafted rookie to QB the team?!?!My "guess" would be they pick up a vet QB, have him battle for #1 with Skelton and Max Hall just has to beat out "the next Max Hall" (i.e. some guy they find on the street) for the third QB position.
 
TheWheel said:
I don't get the connection. Kurt Warner was awesome there because he is Kurt Warner. If I remember correctly, Bulger never lived up to Warner's work in St. Louis. What makes anybody think Bulger could turn the Cardinals around if he couldn't keep a better team in contention? The guy would get killed as a Cardinal and all that work they put in with him in the offseason would be for naught. Riddle me this: if Whisenhunt doesn't hesitate to throw a rookie in to play why is he going to hesitate to throw a second year player in to play? Trying to turn a rickety old Bulger into a savior will just set them back. Give me Max Hall and Skelton to compete and spend a high pick to replenish defensive talent.
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Wiz did hesitate in throwing a rookie out to play. That's why DA started the season. The ONLY reason the rookies played this year is because DA sucked so badly. If Wiz had any other options he would have used them.This team needs to sign a vet at QB. Whether it's Bulger, McNabb, Kolb, or someone else, they need someone to help right the ship. I agree with those who say DA and probably Hall will be gone next year. So we have room to draft someone and sign a vet. Any one of those guys will be better than what we have now. If Skelton has a vet to learn under for a year or two, he will probably develop into a pretty good QB.
 
kutta said:
TheWheel said:
I don't get the connection. Kurt Warner was awesome there because he is Kurt Warner. If I remember correctly, Bulger never lived up to Warner's work in St. Louis. What makes anybody think Bulger could turn the Cardinals around if he couldn't keep a better team in contention? The guy would get killed as a Cardinal and all that work they put in with him in the offseason would be for naught. Riddle me this: if Whisenhunt doesn't hesitate to throw a rookie in to play why is he going to hesitate to throw a second year player in to play? Trying to turn a rickety old Bulger into a savior will just set them back. Give me Max Hall and Skelton to compete and spend a high pick to replenish defensive talent.
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Wiz did hesitate in throwing a rookie out to play. That's why DA started the season. The ONLY reason the rookies played this year is because DA sucked so badly. If Wiz had any other options he would have used them.This team needs to sign a vet at QB. Whether it's Bulger, McNabb, Kolb, or someone else, they need someone to help right the ship. I agree with those who say DA and probably Hall will be gone next year. So we have room to draft someone and sign a vet. Any one of those guys will be better than what we have now. If Skelton has a vet to learn under for a year or two, he will probably develop into a pretty good QB.
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I am not sure I'd call Kolb a Vet QB but I understand your point. I think McNabb would be a decent fit in Arizona and I'm sure everyone in Arizona will be happy that they don't have to hear about Leinart this offseason. Skelton is raw but like you say, he's got a shot at developing into something. Like many teams in the NFL, they need to improve their running game and of course need to stop the run. When you can't run the ball and you can't stop the run, that equals bad things in the NFL.I'm a Dallas fan and a Lions fan and both teams can't run the ball when they want to (that's the key). That's also why IMO both teams have got multiple QB's hurt. They're under constant duress due to defenses knowing they can't run the ball. You can't overvalue a quality offensive line. It keeps your QB up, it allows for your team to run the ball when you need to, which wins you games due to keeping the ball and running clock with a lead to allowing play action pass plays to be effective.I'm not real familiar with the Arizona O-line but usually teams that don't run the ball very well don't have very good offensive lines so I imagine it's an issue to some degree as well.
 
Bulger is a good backup at this point, but I'm not sure he's a good fit as a starter anymore. I'm a fan of his too.

 
Consider me a fan. Thought he should have been the guy we went after last offseason. (Had Anderson not been already signed, Leinart on roster, certain he would have been)

AZCentral has a slideshow with odds who they think will be next Cardinal QB. I agree with them that Bulger leads the pack at this point in time.

 
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TopDawg said:
If Bulger is the answer then hello Andrew Luck. 0-16 baby. Can you feel it.
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I'd prefer this to drafting of the QB's this year personally.Hope the Cards go elsewhere than QB (pass rusher?) with #6 pick.
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And I couldn't agree more. I would take Quinn or Bowers in a heartbeat. My remarks pertained to my dislike of Bulger.With the Cardinals OL he wouldn't last more then 4-5 games. My preference would be Orton, if we could trade for him, and get him to sign an extension period.And if you look at AndyD's mock draft today, you can see what I mean..And btw the Cardinals pick #5
 
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I have never seen a QB who didn't want to be out there with his team more than Bulger did his final 2 years in STL.

Bulger took alot of big hits in his last couple of years. Let him finish his final years backing up Flazcco in Balt. and let the man retire in peace.

Arizona, go out and get Kolb, Orton or McNabb. There is absolutely no reason to start pimping up Marc Bulger as a starting rb in the NFL ever again.

 
Blackjacks said:
I have never seen a QB who didn't want to be out there with his team more than Bulger did his final 2 years in STL.Bulger took alot of big hits in his last couple of years. Let him finish his final years backing up Flazcco in Balt. and let the man retire in peace.Arizona, go out and get Kolb, Orton or McNabb. There is absolutely no reason to start pimping up Marc Bulger as a starting rb in the NFL ever again.
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That Bulger's free to obtain I think will play big part (in addition Whiz really likes the guy). Cards have a ton of holes (obviously)Love Kyle Orton and he'd be my overwhelming #1 preference. I'd give our early 3rd in a heartbeat for the guy. I think the Cards would balk giving a top of 2nd round pick for him. (Maybe a swap down of pick(s) would be possible)Kolb asking price (2 1sts is too high. Not sure the Cards would pay 1st and 3rd). I'd rather take Kyle Orton at a lesser cost.Want no part of McNabb. I pray the Cards don't give into the whole 'bring in the local guy McNabb' crap that'll ensue once he's released. I know I won't be using my season tix if they bring this joker in.
 
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Blackjacks said:
I have never seen a QB who didn't want to be out there with his team more than Bulger did his final 2 years in STL.Bulger took alot of big hits in his last couple of years. Let him finish his final years backing up Flazcco in Balt. and let the man retire in peace.Arizona, go out and get Kolb, Orton or McNabb. There is absolutely no reason to start pimping up Marc Bulger as a starting rb in the NFL ever again.
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That Bulger's free to obtain I think will play big part (in addition Whiz really likes the guy). Cards have a ton of holes (obviously)Love Kyle Orton and he'd be my overwhelming #1 preference. I'd give our early 3rd in a heartbeat for the guy. I think the Cards would balk giving a top of 2nd round pick for him. (Maybe a swap down of pick(s) would be possible)Kolb asking price (2 1sts is too high. Not sure the Cards would pay 1st and 3rd). I'd rather take Kyle Orton at a lesser cost.Want no part of McNabb. I pray the Cards don't give into the whole 'bring in the local guy McNabb' crap that'll ensue once he's released. I know I won't be using my season tix if they bring this joker in.
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I agree with you very much now. I sure as hell don't want McNabb either. I also agree that I would hate to give up a high 2'nd for Orton.Would I would do though, is see if we could trade next years #2, but again with the stipulation, that we sign Orton to a 2 year contract extension, since this is his last year on his contract.And I absolutely would not give up what the Eagles are asking for Kolb. Last word about Bulger, but I'm sorry, but his days as a starter are long gone.Hell, even as a backup you would be lucky to get 4-5 games max out of him. And yes Whiz likes him a lot, but I happen to think Warner has a lot to do with that also. (He is a big fan of Bulger)
 
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Blackjacks said:
I have never seen a QB who didn't want to be out there with his team more than Bulger did his final 2 years in STL.Bulger took alot of big hits in his last couple of years. Let him finish his final years backing up Flazcco in Balt. and let the man retire in peace.Arizona, go out and get Kolb, Orton or McNabb. There is absolutely no reason to start pimping up Marc Bulger as a starting rb in the NFL ever again.
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I know that Fitzgerald wants Kevin to come to AZ. He would be a great fit with those receivers also.
 
One could make an argument that, much like Kurt Warner before him, Bulger got absolutely physically battered in the last days in St. Louis and, like Warner, needed some time to put it all back together (remember that Warner wasn't playing lights out even after he got back on the field...it took a while to come back around). The comparisons are very similar, aside from the fact that they both played for the Rams. Warner is more accurate but Bulger put up some "close" numbers to Warner despite Bulger doing it with an older case of offensive players. So, compared to DA and looking at it as a chance to further develop Skelton, I wouldn't hate it.

With that being said, I like Kolb or Orton a lot better as an option. I have the feeling that McNabb comes into play and since he lives there in the offseason, probably could make it happen easier if he is released. I even like Kitna as an option if its just to buy a little time for Skelton. All of those options look better than this draft right now.

 
Is Vince Young done? There has been flashes of real good play, then there is the troubled imature side that surfaces. Is he not a better option than Bulger? Draft O-line help, see if Wells can play a full season at a high level. When Wells is on, he is an incredible back. Problem is, he is on about once a month.

 
mcjc4 said:
Is Vince Young done? There has been flashes of real good play, then there is the troubled imature side that surfaces. Is he not a better option than Bulger? Draft O-line help, see if Wells can play a full season at a high level. When Wells is on, he is an incredible back. Problem is, he is on about once a month.
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I think coach Wiz has had enough of the prima-donna QB that is inconsistent. If he wasn't he would have kept Leinart.
 
Blackjacks said:
I have never seen a QB who didn't want to be out there with his team more than Bulger did his final 2 years in STL.Bulger took alot of big hits in his last couple of years. Let him finish his final years backing up Flazcco in Balt. and let the man retire in peace.Arizona, go out and get Kolb, Orton or McNabb. There is absolutely no reason to start pimping up Marc Bulger as a starting rb in the NFL ever again.
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I had a similar take on Bulger. I'm not sure if it was that he didn't want to be out there but something changed late is his career with STL. He seemed to have lost his willingness to hang in the pocket and take some hits to deliver passes. He seemed to be bailing out quickly on plays with any pressure. He would need to fix that to be effective again.
 
First realize that Whiz wanted Bulger last summer but since they had already signed Anderson, that wasn't happening

Then they mistakenly released Leinart (one of the stated reasons at the time was that they were sure another team would claim Hall if they tried to drop him to the practice squad) - even if he wasn't "Whiz's guy" he would have been a helluva lot better than throwing Hall and/or Skelton out there

Skelton has potential but really needs to work behind/with a veteran quarterback

I have no idea Why they think Bulger could be that mentor - he is one good hit away from retirement

They have stated they have Zero interest in McNabb because he does not fit their system

I would love to see them trade a third for Orton and extend him then use their top picks this year for DEFENSE

 
Kent Somers of the AZ Republic puts the odds of Bulger starting for the Cards next year at 2 to 1.

He lists Orton at 8 to 1, Kolb at 15 to 1, and Vince Young at 1000 to 1.

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This off-season, the Cardinals will look for a starting quarterback in all the usual places: the draft, free agency, the trade market, between couch cushions.

Much depends upon the outcome of labor negotiations. Until a new collective bargaining agreement is reached, players can't be traded and free agents can't be signed. And the draft is three months away.

But it's never too early to speculate, or to provide free advice to the Cardinals, who went through four quarterbacks in 2010 while trying to find a suitable replacement for Kurt Warner.

Strictly for entertainment purposes, the Heat Index has come up with some early odds on who will be the team's starter in 2011.

2 to 1

Marc Bulger, free agent: The former Rams starter was the backup in Baltimore last season. The Cardinals showed interest when Bulger was on the market last spring, but already had Derek Anderson under contract. Bulger turns 34 in April and hasn't had a good season since 2006. But he's smart, hasn't been hit in more than a year, and could provide a nice bridge to the future, whoever that might be.

8 to 1

Kyle Orton, Broncos: He has another year left on his contract, but the Broncos reportedly would let him go for a second-round pick. That should be too steep for the Cardinals, who have the sixth selection in the second round, but maybe that is just the asking price. Orton is smart, has a decent arm and can throw deep. At 28, Orton could give the Cardinals a couple of years to address other needs.

15 to 1

Kevin Kolb, Eagles: Like other teams, the Cardinals like Kolb's skills and commitment to the game. But the Eagles won't give him away. Starter Michael Vick is a free agent and prone to injuries. Kolb will cost the Eagles just $1.4 million in 2011. There has been speculation that the Eagles would want first- and third-round picks in return for Kolb . If that's the price, the Cardinals likely would pass.

35-1

John Skelton, Cardinals: He showed promise as a rookie last season, starting the final four games of the season. But it was also obvious why he didn't play earlier. Skelton could use another year or two of seasoning before being expected to contend for the starting job. But if the Cardinals sign, say, a lower-rung free agent and don't draft a quarterback, Skelton could win the job.

70-1

Auburn's Cam Newton, Arkansas' Ryan Mallett, Missouri's Blaine Gabbert: They appear to be the top rated quarterbacks in the draft, and with the fifth overall pick, the Cardinals should have a shot at any of them. The guess here, however, is that the Cardinals go a different direction in the first round (pass rusher), meaning these three quarterbacks end up elsewhere.

80-1

Matt Hasselbeck, Seahawks: He's due to be a free agent, but it's hard to see Hasselbeck leaving Seattle. He has played in a West Coast offensive system his whole career, and at 35, doesn't have many years remaining. But Hasselbeck is smart, tough and experienced.

100-1

Max Hall, Cardinals: Coaches saw enough in Hall last summer to make them think he could be a successful starter. But he looked overwhelmed in his three starts and has fallen behind Skelton on the depth chart. It's premature to write Hall off, but the Cardinals will pursue many options before starting Hall in 2011.

150-1

Donovan McNabb, Redskins: The Cardinals have long been rumored to be McNabb's future employer, even though the club has shown no interest in him. He has an off-season home in the Valley and works out near the Cardinals' Tempe facility. The commute would be short. But McNabb is 34 and his past two teams have given up on him. His work ethic and conditioning have been questioned.

Derek Anderson, Cardinals: The team is expected to release him after Anderson failed to impress in 2010. His salary escalates to nearly $4 million in 2011. It's hard to see him staying as a backup, even with a restructured deal.

1,000-1

Vince Young, Titans: The Cardinals need a solution, not another problem.
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Rotoworld:

ESPN's Mike Sando believes the Cardinals could make a run at Marc Bulger this offseason.They reportedly made a play for Bulger last offseason, but had to settle for Derek Anderson after the former Rams quarterback decided to take his talents to Baltimore. He took exactly zero snaps in 2010, but that could actually be a good thing considering the beating his body took his final few years in St. Louis. Of course, even if Arizona makes a hard run at him, there's always the chance he'll decide he prefers the life of a backup and stays in Baltimore as long as the money is reasonable.Source: ESPN.comRelated: Cardinals
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Not new news. (I'd prefer Orton myself) Bulger would have been a Cardinal last offseason if they hadn't signed DA first. (The rotoworld blurb above is incorrect -- DA was signed by the Cards a couple weeks before the Rams released Bulger)
 
If I'm the Cards I grab Mcnabb for next year and then draft a QB with their first rounder. It gives the rookie a chance to relax and learn for a season and I have trouble blaming the Skins failures on McNabb. I think he would do well with Fitzgerald, Breaston and Doucet.

God knows it doesn't take much to win the NFC West so they would even probably have some success next season while the rookie is learning the pro game.

Just a thought.

 
Schefter just tweeted that the Cards have surveyed Fitzgerald as to which QBs they should pursue and his first suggestion was Kolb.

 
The man was getting his head smashed in while with the Rams, give him some slack.

He took some serious hits!

 
faulkfan said:
If I'm the Cards I grab Mcnabb for next year and then draft a QB with their first rounder. It gives the rookie a chance to relax and learn for a season and I have trouble blaming the Skins failures on McNabb. I think he would do well with Fitzgerald, Breaston and Doucet.God knows it doesn't take much to win the NFC West so they would even probably have some success next season while the rookie is learning the pro game.Just a thought.
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:thumbup: The fork is sticking out of McNabb's back. Only way I'd want McNabb is if Skelton was the only other option. (Meaning Kolb, Bulger, Orton and even Vince Young among others were no longer available). Even with a # of teams desperately needing QB's, McNabb could struggle to find a starting gig.I don't see Breaston back. Looks for Fitz, Roberts, S.Williams, perhaps rookie and maybe Doucet (as I don't expect anyone to try to pay even a low tender, believe he's RFA)I'd rather go 0-16 with Bulger and a shot at Luck than a 5-7 win season with McNabb. :) -----------------------I wouldn't be shocked at all if Don struggled to find a job & either retired or returned to Philly as backup (if Kolb dealt). Really it's his best option (Knows offense / receivers with a legit shot at PT with Vick starting)His head is too big for that though & who knows if Philly would even want to go down that road.
 
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bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
everything written about Bulger in this thread sounds exactly like what people said about Kurt Warner before going to Ariz
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:kicksrock: Warner has stated that it took him several years to recover his mojo after taking all those shots running Martz's offense. Maybe Bulger can regain his footing as well. He was a darn good quarterback, lack of physical tools notwithstanding.
 
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