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Marco Rubio 2016 (1 Viewer)

bolzano said:
bolzano said:
Ted Cruz never supported amnesty. In fact, Megyn Kelly conceded as much after the debate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=52&v=9q9ijJAjA20
Cruz's amendment to the Gang of 8 bill supported giving legal status to illegals. Unless you believe what he is saying after the fact that it was a poison pill designed to kill the bill. I don't believe that. In fact, Cruz never officially went on record as saying he opposed legalization until the December 15th debate.
Rubio is misrepresenting Cruz's record. In fact, you can use the same argument that Rubio is making against Cruz on Gang of Eight to argue that Rubio supports the Iran deal. I will let Andrew McCarthy explain:

To be a good legislator and to move public opinion on important issues, a senator sometimes must make proposals that, taken out of context, can distort the senator’s overarching position, creating the illusion that he favors what he clearly opposes, and vice versa.

...

It would be disingenuous to portray Rubio, an ardent Iran-deal opponent, as an Iran-deal supporter on this basis. Yet that is exactly what Rubio is trying to do to Cruz on immigration.
...

To his credit, Rubio, like Cruz, was a staunch opponent of President Obama’s agreement to provide over $100 billion to the world’s leading state sponsor of terrorism while rendering that regime a threshold nuclear power. Yet, in a manner reminiscent of the Gang of Eight, senior Beltway Republicans joined the Obama Left in crafting the so-called Corker-Cardin legislation, a bill that would prevent Congress from rejecting the deal.

So Rubio, like Cruz, proposed amendments in an effort to blow up the deal. Rubio, for example, proposed that any agreement require Iran’s leaders to accept Israel’s right to exist. Rubio well knew this poison pill had no chance of being adopted. But he was not trying to improve the Iran deal. Rubio was, as Time magazine observed, trying to kill the Iran deal.

Now, using the logic of Rubio’s “amnesty” attack on Cruz, one could argue that, if the deal satisfied the condition that Iran acknowledge the Jewish state’s legitimate existence, Rubio would support it — despite the agreement’s material support to terrorism and facilitation of Tehran’s nuclear and ballistic-missile programs. That, however, would be a smear.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/427046/ted-cruz-marco-rubio-immigration-amnesty
So I looked up the Rubio amendment to the Iran deal. Thanks again! Rubio wanted to include in the deal that Iran recognize Israel's right to exist. How anyone could compare that to what Cruz did with the Gang of 8 amendment is ridiculous. Rubio clearly introduced a poison pill while Cruz was hoping to get his name on the Gang of 8 bill. No comparison, imo.

 
I don't hate Marco Rubio. He's got a few red flags that he doesn't compensate enough for. But overall, I think he sells well to a live crowd. I don't have a strong vibe for what his true agenda is.

Voting record is terrible.

 
[scooter] said:
Watch the video closely. The kid still didn't catch the ball! They show Rubio throwing it, then they awkwardly cut to a closeup of the kid with the ball already in his arms.

I wonder how many times Rubio threw him that ball before the director finally said "Screw it, we'll fix it in post!"
:shock: You are right. Damn it... that's it. I am not voting for Rubio anymore. :rant:

 
I don't hate Marco Rubio. He's got a few red flags that he doesn't compensate enough for. But overall, I think he sells well to a live crowd. I don't have a strong vibe for what his true agenda is.

Voting record is terrible.
doesn't insult people enough?

 
I don't hate Marco Rubio. He's got a few red flags that he doesn't compensate enough for. But overall, I think he sells well to a live crowd. I don't have a strong vibe for what his true agenda is.

Voting record is terrible.
doesn't insult people enough?
Isn't a total jackoff who contradicts himself in pretty much every statement he has made in the last 9 months enough?

 
I don't hate Marco Rubio. He's got a few red flags that he doesn't compensate enough for. But overall, I think he sells well to a live crowd. I don't have a strong vibe for what his true agenda is.

Voting record is terrible.
doesn't insult people enough?
Isn't a total jackoff who contradicts himself in pretty much every statement he has made in the last 9 months enough?
doesn't want to bomb everyone off the face of........oh wait.

 
On the AP top of the hour radio news, the announcer says, "Trump and Cruz are expected to fight for the top two spots, but the biggest news could be the surprise surge of Marco Rubio who could turn a solid 3rd place finish into real momentum."

I doubt the Rubio campaign itself could put out better spin than this. 3rd place is the biggest news? Lol.

 
bolzano said:
timschochet said:
On the AP top of the hour radio news, the announcer says, "Trump and Cruz are expected to fight for the top two spots, but the biggest news could be the surprise surge of Marco Rubio who could turn a solid 3rd place finish into real momentum."

I doubt the Rubio campaign itself could put out better spin than this. 3rd place is the biggest news? Lol.
I wouldn't count out a Rubio victory. Cruz's momentum seems to have stalled due to a poor last two weeks (birtherism, mediocre debate performance, mailer scandal, etc.). As for Trump, we still don't know the full impact of debategate as well as the revolt against him via movement conservatives, the conservative intelligentsia, etc. Moreover, the bad weather likely hurts Trump the most, since his ground game is questionable. And look at these two recent polls:

Trump 27, Cruz 26, Rubio 22, Huckabee 5, Bush 4, Kasich 4, Carson 3...

Trump 20, Cruz 19, Rubio 19, Carson 9, Paul 9, Bush 5, Huckabee 4...
http://media.wix.com/ugd/3bebb2_0f8be4ffea6949a298ba44d6eba0a6da.pdf

http://opinionsavvy.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Iowa-1.30.15.pdf
Hey if Rubio wins, or comes in a close 2nd, that's a different thing altogether.

I was just laughing at the notion that third place would be a game changer.

 
bolzano said:
timschochet said:
On the AP top of the hour radio news, the announcer says, "Trump and Cruz are expected to fight for the top two spots, but the biggest news could be the surprise surge of Marco Rubio who could turn a solid 3rd place finish into real momentum."

I doubt the Rubio campaign itself could put out better spin than this. 3rd place is the biggest news? Lol.
I wouldn't count out a Rubio victory. Cruz's momentum seems to have stalled due to a poor last two weeks (birtherism, mediocre debate performance, mailer scandal, etc.). As for Trump, we still don't know the full impact of debategate as well as the revolt against him via movement conservatives, the conservative intelligentsia, etc. Moreover, the bad weather likely hurts Trump the most, since his ground game is questionable. And look at these two recent polls:

Trump 27, Cruz 26, Rubio 22, Huckabee 5, Bush 4, Kasich 4, Carson 3...

Trump 20, Cruz 19, Rubio 19, Carson 9, Paul 9, Bush 5, Huckabee 4...
http://media.wix.com/ugd/3bebb2_0f8be4ffea6949a298ba44d6eba0a6da.pdf

http://opinionsavvy.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Iowa-1.30.15.pdf
Hey if Rubio wins, or comes in a close 2nd, that's a different thing altogether.

I was just laughing at the notion that third place would be a game changer.
If Rubio hits a 2nd in Iowa that is actually a huge momentum change when the voting actually starts counting. He could parlay that into being the sane choice for the GOP nomination and gather more support. It very well could be a game changer.

The trend in Iowa is that the nominee is NOT the winner there. McCain was 4th and Romney was 2nd. (though I seem to remember the margin for Mitt was pretty close)

 
bolzano said:
timschochet said:
On the AP top of the hour radio news, the announcer says, "Trump and Cruz are expected to fight for the top two spots, but the biggest news could be the surprise surge of Marco Rubio who could turn a solid 3rd place finish into real momentum."

I doubt the Rubio campaign itself could put out better spin than this. 3rd place is the biggest news? Lol.
I wouldn't count out a Rubio victory. Cruz's momentum seems to have stalled due to a poor last two weeks (birtherism, mediocre debate performance, mailer scandal, etc.). As for Trump, we still don't know the full impact of debategate as well as the revolt against him via movement conservatives, the conservative intelligentsia, etc. Moreover, the bad weather likely hurts Trump the most, since his ground game is questionable. And look at these two recent polls:

Trump 27, Cruz 26, Rubio 22, Huckabee 5, Bush 4, Kasich 4, Carson 3...

Trump 20, Cruz 19, Rubio 19, Carson 9, Paul 9, Bush 5, Huckabee 4...
http://media.wix.com/ugd/3bebb2_0f8be4ffea6949a298ba44d6eba0a6da.pdf

http://opinionsavvy.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Iowa-1.30.15.pdf
Hey if Rubio wins, or comes in a close 2nd, that's a different thing altogether. I was just laughing at the notion that third place would be a game changer.
The rumor was, although the Rubio camp denied it, was hoping he would get 3rd in Iowa, second in NH, then having momentum to start taking some #1 spots.

 
bolzano said:
timschochet said:
On the AP top of the hour radio news, the announcer says, "Trump and Cruz are expected to fight for the top two spots, but the biggest news could be the surprise surge of Marco Rubio who could turn a solid 3rd place finish into real momentum."

I doubt the Rubio campaign itself could put out better spin than this. 3rd place is the biggest news? Lol.
I wouldn't count out a Rubio victory. Cruz's momentum seems to have stalled due to a poor last two weeks (birtherism, mediocre debate performance, mailer scandal, etc.). As for Trump, we still don't know the full impact of debategate as well as the revolt against him via movement conservatives, the conservative intelligentsia, etc. Moreover, the bad weather likely hurts Trump the most, since his ground game is questionable. And look at these two recent polls:

Trump 27, Cruz 26, Rubio 22, Huckabee 5, Bush 4, Kasich 4, Carson 3...

Trump 20, Cruz 19, Rubio 19, Carson 9, Paul 9, Bush 5, Huckabee 4...
http://media.wix.com/ugd/3bebb2_0f8be4ffea6949a298ba44d6eba0a6da.pdf

http://opinionsavvy.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Iowa-1.30.15.pdf
Hey if Rubio wins, or comes in a close 2nd, that's a different thing altogether. I was just laughing at the notion that third place would be a game changer.
The rumor was, although the Rubio camp denied it, was hoping he would get 3rd in Iowa, second in NH, then having momentum to start taking some #1 spots.
The way I'm hearing it is they're hoping for a 3rd place that lands him closer to 2nd than to 4th - the hope being a huge gap between him and the remaining field to drive the narrative that establishment votes should unite behind him.

 
I think it's obvious that Trump isn't winning. I think it's very possible now that Rubio takes the actual or perceived weaknesses of his main competition all the way to the White House. Not sure what I think about that - he seems to want to be heavily involved in the ME and I'm wanting us to get the hell out of there (mostly).

 
agree he's probably the best candidate the GOP has along with Kasich, but he really needs to improve his debate performances. just doesn't sound very good off script.

 
I think it's obvious that Trump isn't winning. I think it's very possible now that Rubio takes the actual or perceived weaknesses of his main competition all the way to the White House. Not sure what I think about that - he seems to want to be heavily involved in the ME and I'm wanting us to get the hell out of there (mostly).
So when Trump wins in NH handily this next week and Nevada in 3 weeks, are you going to come back in here and admit that this is obvious Trump fear on your part? The guy missed by a couple percentage points to a lifelong politician who won't play well Nationally. The GOP is in serious problems if ted Cruz is being sent out there as the GOP candidate. He is like nails on a chalkboard for many. Trump hosted one of the most successful reality TV shows for 10 years, people from both sides tuned in and watched the Apprentice, Cruz won't get 35% of the vote if he runs vs Clinton IMO. He appeals to far right and tea party types, that's not the majority. He didn't get but 30% anyways, he isn't speaking for the majority yet.

It's not obvious at all and this post shows your opinion should not be trusted because you are nothing but biased against Trump.

 
In order of likelihood

Rubio

Sanders

Trump

Clinton

Kasich

Cruz

Field
This is pretty loopy.

Trump won't recover. Once a bully's nose is bloodied everyone who hates him will line up to take a shot. And he failed to get his low-info, first-time voters to actually vote. And with Rubio now the obvious establishment candidate he won't be able to "win" many states with 30% going forward either.

Sanders is done too. He needed a convincing win -- considerably larger than Obama's win in 2008 -- to be viable. Instead he fought to a draw. NH will be his high-water mark; he won't be able to compete once we get to states that look more like the national electorate than IA and NH.

 
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The first primary was in a pro evangelical state. This was the Cruz litmus test and he failed. If he could carry more than the evangelicals he had a chance. He couldn't. Game over.

This was trump's chance to distance himself as the top candidate. He didn't do that bad. He picked up the trump supporters and the front runners and he can get some of the evangelicals once Cruz bows out. What he didn't want, though, was for a clear third candidate to emerge yet. Because whoever that was - and all signs pointed to Rubio - was going to become the non trump alternative.

Rubio was clearly the winner last night, because he picked up the not trump banner. Someone was going to, but not necessarily by as much as he did it or as early as he did.

Going forward the trump supporters will vote trump and the Rubio supporters will vote Rubio, obviously, and we don't know how many of each there really are yet.

The big questions are how many people are going to vote for A) the front runner, which is presumably trump, b) the likable underdog, which is now Rubio, c) the not trump, and d) the not Rubio.

There are a lot of people in groups b and c. There are a lot in group a. There aren't many in group d.

Trump's strategy should be to keep Cruz alive as long as possible, reiterate that he's the front runner, and maybe even pump up kasich a little indirectly. Don't let Rubio gain steam.

Rubio doesn't mind Cruz hanging around a little while, either, while he solidifies himself as the sensible choice. He needs to become the clear number two in the race if he wants to own the not trump vote, and Cruz will help to suffocate kasich and Co. But if his own supporters and the not trump/not Cruz crowd aren't enough to push him, he's eventually going to need Cruz to get out of the race to make his push.

And that will be the bargaining chip for Cruz, which is why he's not going anywhere for a while.

 
In order of likelihood

Rubio

Sanders

Trump

Clinton

Kasich

Cruz

Field
This is pretty loopy.

Trump won't recover. Once a bully's nose is bloodied everyone who hates him will line up to take a shot. And he failed to get his low-info, first-time voters to actually vote. And with Rubio now the obvious establishment candidate he won't be able to "win" many states with 30% going forward either.

Sanders is done too. He needed a convincing win -- considerably larger than Obama's win in 2008 -- to be viable. Instead he fought to a draw. NH will be his high-water mark; he won't be able to compete once we get to states that look more like the national electorate than IA and NH.
Trump finished a whopping 3 percentage points or less behind Ted Cruz.

Honestly, of all the stupidity that gets spilled in this place some of these posts today should get an auto bid into the 2017 Tourney. We might even have to get another one going, the NIT or something.

Trump won't recover...that's so silly. One state out of 50 that has very few electorates come November and you think they speak for the entire GOP? Are you like 25 and this is your first time potentially voting? I sometimes have to remember how young some of our teenage posters were back in 2005 when they came here. Anyone thinking the race is over because this one rather insignificant state has voted in 4 different directions...honestly Cruz/Trump/Rubio are pretty much in a 3 way tie, they all round to about 1/4 of the overall vote. The last quarter will get chopped up between the 3 of them but eventually these 3 have to get on stage and debate without the rest of the field taking away face time.

If I were one of the news networks, I would move for an immediate debate with just those 3 candidates. Sorry to Kasich, Bush, Paul, Christie, Carson, but you need to go away now. Rubio will represent for the rest of the field. Cruz the tea party, Trump everyone else. This will be a hard fought 3-way but I think Cruz will be the first of the 3 to fall.

 
In order of likelihood

Rubio

Sanders

Trump

Clinton

Kasich

Cruz

Field
This is pretty loopy.

Trump won't recover. Once a bully's nose is bloodied everyone who hates him will line up to take a shot. And he failed to get his low-info, first-time voters to actually vote. And with Rubio now the obvious establishment candidate he won't be able to "win" many states with 30% going forward either.

Sanders is done too. He needed a convincing win -- considerably larger than Obama's win in 2008 -- to be viable. Instead he fought to a draw. NH will be his high-water mark; he won't be able to compete once we get to states that look more like the national electorate than IA and NH.
Trump finished a whopping 3 percentage points or less behind Ted Cruz.

Honestly, of all the stupidity that gets spilled in this place some of these posts today should get an auto bid into the 2017 Tourney. We might even have to get another one going, the NIT or something.

Trump won't recover...that's so silly. One state out of 50 that has very few electorates come November and you think they speak for the entire GOP? Are you like 25 and this is your first time potentially voting? I sometimes have to remember how young some of our teenage posters were back in 2005 when they came here. Anyone thinking the race is over because this one rather insignificant state has voted in 4 different directions...honestly Cruz/Trump/Rubio are pretty much in a 3 way tie, they all round to about 1/4 of the overall vote. The last quarter will get chopped up between the 3 of them but eventually these 3 have to get on stage and debate without the rest of the field taking away face time.

If I were one of the news networks, I would move for an immediate debate with just those 3 candidates. Sorry to Kasich, Bush, Paul, Christie, Carson, but you need to go away now. Rubio will represent for the rest of the field. Cruz the tea party, Trump everyone else. This will be a hard fought 3-way but I think Cruz will be the first of the 3 to fall.
:blackdot:

We'll revisit this one.

 
Sanders is done too. He needed a convincing win -- considerably larger than Obama's win in 2008 -- to be viable. Instead he fought to a draw. NH will be his high-water mark; he won't be able to compete once we get to states that look more like the national electorate than IA and NH.
The media is talking non stop about how they basically tied but Clinton won on some tiebreaker. That's gold for sanders' campaign. Sanders just established himself as the not-hillary vote and a sympathetic figure. Clinton needs some positive press right now, and she hasn't had much recently. Sanders may not win votes on his own but he would be happy to win by default especially if he can do it without having to go negative himself. There isn't a third option who's going to emerge to contend with sanders for the not hillary vote.

As of now I predict Rubio will beat sanders in a close race in November.

 
This amounts to a win for Rubio more so than Cruz (odd to say but it is all about the expectation game). Trump ends up taking it hard on the chin and you can tell he knows it with his speech afterwards.

 
Rubio's statements are so establishment based, I am not even sure he believes what he is saying. Guy is a horrible candidate.

 
Rubio's statements are so establishment based, I am not even sure he believes what he is saying. Guy is a horrible candidate.
He doesn't. What comes out of his mouth is strictly driven by how many votes it can produce. He's the R's Hillary. He, like her, reeks of 'in it for himself.'

 
:shrug:

Outside of arguably his immigration stance, he's been pretty consistent in his opinions.

The R's Hillary :lmao:

 
This amounts to a win for Rubio more so than Cruz (odd to say but it is all about the expectation game). Trump ends up taking it hard on the chin and you can tell he knows it with his speech afterwards.
It sounds like the smoke about Cruz having his team tell caucusers that Carson is dropping out leads to a real fire. I don't think that's going to play well.

 
Do I have to vote for this Rube if Trump decides he doesn't really want to beat this elephant eared loser?

 
yeah, Jindal and Santorum's endorsements are a negative. :mellow: Really curious to see who Rand Paul endorses. On the most recent "audit the fed" bill, Rubio voted with Rand and Cruz was a no show.
He says he won't endorse anyone in the primaries but will fully support the eventual nominee
 
yeah, Jindal and Santorum's endorsements are a negative. :mellow: Really curious to see who Rand Paul endorses. On the most recent "audit the fed" bill, Rubio voted with Rand and Cruz was a no show.
He says he won't endorse anyone in the primaries but will fully support the eventual nominee
That makes sense. I don't blame him.

 
yeah, Jindal and Santorum's endorsements are a negative. :mellow: Really curious to see who Rand Paul endorses. On the most recent "audit the fed" bill, Rubio voted with Rand and Cruz was a no show.
He says he won't endorse anyone in the primaries but will fully support the eventual nominee
That makes sense. I don't blame him.
A number of his supporters have rallied behind Sanders
 

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