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rexnervous
Footballguy
I'd be surprised if he gets drafted at all.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
Go where, the penal league?
massraider
Footballguy
The Raiders received a comp pick this year--last pick in the draft. Makes waaaaay too much sense.
Texasmouth
Footballguy
I think someone will take a chance on him. Less talented QB have been drafted before. Hell, that kid that was Lienarts backup got drafted last year and the mascot has seen more action that he had.
The Clarett comparison is a good one. Now who knows how long Clarett would have lasted if Denver hadnt grabbed him? Maybe til their next pick on day 2? Heck, Denver might have been the only team willing to draft him, you never know.
The point is, all it will take is one GM/front office to think they can get Vick straightened out for him to get drafted. I expect that to happen.
The point is, all it will take is one GM/front office to think they can get Vick straightened out for him to get drafted. I expect that to happen.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Undrafted. I bet he ends up in Canada.
Bloom, I normally agree with everything you write but on this point I have to disagree. It is a bad comparison. I cannot believe I am about to write something that actually talks highly of Clarett. There is something oxymoronic and uncomfortable about it but here it goes...If it were not for ridiculous tradition, Clarett could have won or at least been in the final five for the Heisman his freshman year. Freshman don't win and they are rarely invited to New York. (If am wrong and he was invited, please let me know, as I do not recall if he made it Downtown or not. Clarett fan, correct the facts on this if they are wrong. A. Peterson finished second and should have won but got the invite.)
Clarett also helped lead The Ohio State to a national championship against a Miami team that has made up the first round of the NFL draft for a couple seasons.
Clarett had some minor transgressions off the field prior to leaving the school to pursue the NFL draft. He never did anything gross or unjust on the playing field. Now, let's look at Vick.
Marcus Vick and the Heisman Trophy. What are two things never mentioned in the same sentence?
Marcus Vick and the National Championship Trophy? Miami took care of that quickly this past season.
Marcus Vick's problem off the field were substantial while at VT and beyond your ordinary mistakes made by a youngster. There were multiple issues and he was dismissed from the team. Now, for the crowning moment of his on field stomping of Elvis. You do not do things like that on the field of play. Period. That lone action destroyed his credibility among most people that have or currently play the game. Anyone that would conduct themselves like that on the field during a game and intentionally take a shot at a defenseless player on the ground in that manner should either have their ### beaten on the spot or never be allowed to play again. That type of behavior defines a character found somewhere in the vicinity of dirtbag and thug.
BIG difference between the two of them. Clarett's problems came to frution after his short stint in Columbus. Vick's started as soon as he arrived at VT. The only way Vick gets drafted is if his contract is identical to Clarett's, which was no guaranteed money and no signing bonus.
As a camp body, Vick has to earn a contract and may or may not get a bonus, as that will be at the discretion of the team. Vick's talent to trouble ratio is not even on the same playing field as guys like Clarett; Sapp; Phillips, etc...
The name on his jersey will be enough to see he gets a crack at the NFL but it will not come before the 6th round on Day Two, which would be a gift to Vick's camp.
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Thats very fair, and I made a blanket statement. I still think on a high level, the risk/reward package each brings to the table is similar, despite the differences you deftly pointed out.A few bones to pick:
1) yes, Clarett's transgressions were minor while he was at OSU, but once he left, his attitude and preparation for pre-draft activities, etc were horrendous. i think they both come to the draft with HUGE question marks, which is the parallel i was going for. the nature of the questions are different, but the magnitude is the same in my eyes. I completely hear your point about Vick being a thug on the field vs. Louisville, but i don't see it as making him that much more risky than clarett with the issues he had coming into the league. at least with Vick you know you're getting the same athlete that you saw on tape. Clarett the draft prospect was a turd compared to Clarett the OSU RB.
2) Vick was indeed mentioned in the top 5 for the heisman for a while this year.
3) Va Tech was undefeated and in the national championship mix until November this year.
I like to make very generalized statements, and Im glad you guys call me on them - the main thing i was going for here was that they both had streaks of excellence in college, but have personal issues that are landmines and could blow up at any second to completely destroy their career. The kind of decision a GM faces is similar for both - we may disagree on the levels or risk/reward for each player, but the vast difference between the upside and downside scenarios on Vick are closer to Clarett than any other player from last year's draft that I can think of. You may think Vick has no upside at all because he is rotten to the core - but many people said the same thing about Clarett at this time last year, and he still went in the late 3rd.
Napoleon Dynamite
Footballguy
McPherson was drafted in the fifth round (152nd overall) by the Saints in the 2005 NFL Draft. I doubt Marcus will go earlier... but it could happen.
Billy Ball Thorton
Footballguy
Hopefully, not to the Cards.
-OZ-
Footballguy
5th seems about right, to a team that can use him as their practice squad QB, perhaps a team like Carolina, New Orleans, KC, or Denver where they can use a young QB and can handle a risk. I also wouldn't be shocked if he plays special teams.The QB I'm much more interested to see what happens is Brad Smith. Similar to Vick's upside, without much of the risk.
Resident A
Footballguy
Atlanta should spend a late pick on him & groom him to be Mike Vick's back-up when Schaub leaves for greener pastures. He should be able to mature & improve working with his brother on a daily basis.
Atlanta's problem is that the entire offense changes when Vick is out of the game. It makes sense to have a 2nd string QB who is in the same mold as #1 step in when he has to.
Atlanta's problem is that the entire offense changes when Vick is out of the game. It makes sense to have a 2nd string QB who is in the same mold as #1 step in when he has to.
crimsonrebel
Footballguy
i was think NO with their 7th round comp pick. Its insurance if mcpherson doesnt pan out.
SoloMatisse
Footballguy
I see him as a day 2 draftee. The thoughts of Maurice Clarett are still fresh on execs and coaches' minds. It wouldnt shock me if he werent taken at all, and Ill certainly keep my fingers crossed this knucklehead doesnt go to my favorite team.
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SoloMatisse
Footballguy
Im not really comparing the 2 as players so much as headcases. Vick has been in constant trouble for 3 years. He can play, but he wont be an NFL QB.....ever. Is he fast? Sure. He's he a knucklehead?...you be the judge. Thanks for the breakdown on all of Maurice's games though....
It was not a comparison of the two but was in fact pointing out the differences between the two. There is a vast difference in what appears on each players rap sheets and the level of talent that was exhibited on the college playing field. I was defending the point the two have nothing in common and should not be compared against one another. Bloom, solid response and I'll buy some of that but I still think the financial implications that Vick will represent as a draft pick will be enough for nearly every team save the Falcons to stay away...far away. FA camp invite? Plenty of teams will gladly hand one of those out.
WampusCat43
Footballguy
Maybe he can make a living as a practice dummy for whoever is playing the Falcons that week. 16 1-week contracts...
cstu
Footballguy
Financial implications of a late round pick? There's no way a team doesn't take a chance on Vick with a late pick. It's too cheap and the upside for Vick is great. I also think he'll go earlier on the 2nd day than people think. If you watched him play in college, it was like watching Michael who wasn't quite as quick but was a better passer. The ceiling for Marcus is very high and that's worth a 2nd day pick.
cstu
Footballguy
It seems a no-brainer for the Falcons to take him. Having him with his brother is a great to keep him out of trouble. Shaub also won't be with the Falcons for long since he'll be a starter somewhere else in a couple years. Grooming Marcus to be the backup to Michael for a couple years until Shaub is gone is a great idea and the best fit for Marcus. My guess is that they take him in the 5th round.
Mungo Burrows
Footballguy
Fixed.It's nitpicky but it's important. Obviously denver thought someone would take Clarett before their next pick in the 5th round, otherwise they wouldn't have taken him in the 3rd. Same applies to Marcus Mexico. Even if a team thinks he's the shiznit, they won't draft him (at least before the 7th round) unless they think someone else would be interested in him.
Mungo Burrows
Footballguy
"With the sixth pick in the 1996 draft..."If anyone missed it, the NFL Network ran their draft special on offensive players last night. Last Tuesday night they did the defense. Last night they did the offense. Next week they are doing a mock exercise. Pretty cool stuff...
Pat Kirwan, love him or hate him, did a piece on Marcus Vick. I am going to paraphrase what he presented. Kirwan is connected into the league. Like Mayock, you either like Kirwan or cannot stand him but Kirwan's sources are upper tier. Chris Landry, opinion, might be the only other person so far plugged into what is happening. According to Kirwan...
Prior to the start of last season Vick was at best a 5th or 6th round QB prospect. Currently, he is a 6th or most likely 7th round prospect of any type, which is WR or QB. The character issues are really that bad. The athletic talent is not that great.
Given what took place last season and including Vick's past, he is now most likely a 6th or 7th round prospect. Based on contact with many leagues sources to include scouts and GM most are not going to use a pick on Vick. Vick will either be taken in the 7th or go undrafted. Reason being the bad publicity brought along by the selection.
Why create that type of publicity headache, as you head into mini camps and training camp, with such a low round, high risk pick? Why have the media forcing your coaching staff or current players to exhaust their energies answering questions regarding a player taken that late in the draft with so many problems?
Someone will wait and sign Vick as an undrafted FA as to mitigate the media circus and potential waste of the pick.
Pat Kirwan, love him or hate him, did a piece on Marcus Vick. I am going to paraphrase what he presented. Kirwan is connected into the league. Like Mayock, you either like Kirwan or cannot stand him but Kirwan's sources are upper tier. Chris Landry, opinion, might be the only other person so far plugged into what is happening. According to Kirwan...
Prior to the start of last season Vick was at best a 5th or 6th round QB prospect. Currently, he is a 6th or most likely 7th round prospect of any type, which is WR or QB. The character issues are really that bad. The athletic talent is not that great.
Given what took place last season and including Vick's past, he is now most likely a 6th or 7th round prospect. Based on contact with many leagues sources to include scouts and GM most are not going to use a pick on Vick. Vick will either be taken in the 7th or go undrafted. Reason being the bad publicity brought along by the selection.
Why create that type of publicity headache, as you head into mini camps and training camp, with such a low round, high risk pick? Why have the media forcing your coaching staff or current players to exhaust their energies answering questions regarding a player taken that late in the draft with so many problems?
Someone will wait and sign Vick as an undrafted FA as to mitigate the media circus and potential waste of the pick.
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